how would you get ountain lion back without paying? i had it before mavericks?
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> On Feb 9, 2014, at 6:40 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Brian,
> 
> How about you try disabling your Gmail account temporarily while doing your 
> project.  Go into Mail Prefs, select Accounts from the Toolbar, select your 
> Gmail account from the Accounts Table then uncheck the “Enable this Account” 
> checkbox.  Now, with your Gmail account disabled, you should be able to do 
> your work, receive Mail from other accounts, and you can re-enable it when 
> you need it again and it doesn’t affect your project.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey well I guess a clean install isn’t going to happen today, as I am not 
>> sure if I know how to boot from my external drive, might have to have a 
>> buddy who knows more about computers help me with that. Plus I have to back 
>> everything up. Just very frustrating to be dealing with something new every 
>> day. Sorry for venting but hey you don’t have to read it if you don’t like 
>> it. Thanks to those who have offered solutions. Another funny note is the 
>> last few days since I have had these severe issues with mail open and 
>> running my Logictech solar keyboard doesn’t work, but if I quit mail the 
>> Logictech keyboard works fine, very bizarre, and frustrating. And nope 
>> changing mail to check every 30 minutes unfortunately didn’t help as in the 
>> middle of this I got busy busy busy again.
>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Google "clean install of Mvericks" to get the exact steps, but the basic 
>>> idea is you download the installer from the App Store, run a terminal 
>>> command once you plug in a properly formatted drive, and wait. Once that is 
>>> done, boot to that drive instead of your regular one, open Disk Utility, 
>>> completely wipe your Macintosh HD partition (not the entire hard drive) and 
>>> then close Disk Utility and select "install Mac OS 10.9 Mvericks". Once 
>>> that installs, you're done and can start restoring your data.
>>> 
>>> For today, have you considered closing Mail completely and operating off 
>>> the Basic HTML version of Gmail's website instead? If you do decide to 
>>> switch mail providers, you can always set up forwarding so you will keep 
>>> getting your Gmail messages, as others have suggested.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex
>>> mehg...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 6:09 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Even more hilarious now I can't even get this gmail account removed from 
>>>> my computer as it keeps saying this account is connected to something. Not 
>>>> sure what the hell it is talking about as I have removed it before, but 
>>>> now with the mail issues I am having and trying to remove the account 
>>>> craps everything out. What do I need to do a clean install? Do I just need 
>>>> to download Mavericks to my external drive or do I need to create a 
>>>> bootable thing of some kind, don't remember the steps and today things 
>>>> have gotten so bad and have restarted the computer five times and it isn't 
>>>> fixing it, so considering I am on deadline for an article to say I'm a 
>>>> little pissed off since I need to use gmail for this article is an 
>>>> understatement. Thanks.
>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 5:50 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Well, like Alex suggested, you can create a new gmail account and just 
>>>>> set it up to forward your mail to it.  This might be a little bit of a 
>>>>> pain in the neck, but it is a temporary solution you can reverse when the 
>>>>> problems are fixed.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Or, again, install ML on an external disk and use that solely for mail 
>>>>> until the next version of Mavericks, 10.9.2, is released.  This is 
>>>>> exactly why I always keep a functioning version of the previous OS 
>>>>> available on external partitions.  I have them going back to Snow 
>>>>> Leopard, in fact.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Take Care
>>>>> 
>>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>>> Director
>>>>> Mac for the Blind
>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 5:38 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hey John, 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for the suggestions. It definitely is a gmail and Mavericks issue 
>>>>>> as I have removed gmail and then reinstalled it in to the Mac Mail. When 
>>>>>> gmail is removed mac mail works fine. My issue is I can't switch from 
>>>>>> gmail to another mail provider as I have people constantly contacting em 
>>>>>> through gmail. So not sure what to do as I have heard from several 
>>>>>> people that doing a clean install did not fix their gmail problem with 
>>>>>> mac mail. Considering this problem doesn't happen every day tells me 
>>>>>> that it is a gmail and Apple Mavericks compatability issue. What angers 
>>>>>> me to no end is I held off upgrading to Mavericks until Apple claimed 
>>>>>> they fixed this issue in December so that is why I am so angry as the 
>>>>>> days when Mac Mail and gmail don't cooperate I can't get a thing done. I 
>>>>>> apologize for any misspelled words as mail is pausing so much as I type 
>>>>>> this with busy busy messages. And like I said everything worked fine 
>>>>>> yesterday.
>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 4:43 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A few things here.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> firstly, I understand frustrations and annoyances that get to someone 
>>>>>>> at times.  However, remember to put things into perspective.  I have 
>>>>>>> had no issues like your experiencing on any of my three Macs and the 
>>>>>>> only couple of people I know having mail issues have the common 
>>>>>>> denominator as Gmail being part of the problem.  So, to say that you 
>>>>>>> can't recommend Macs because of inconsistencies is quite drastic.  You 
>>>>>>> are dealing with a situation that is either system specific or gmail 
>>>>>>> specific.  That has little to do with the overall experience of 
>>>>>>> Mavericks most people are having.  No, Mavericks isn't perfect, but it 
>>>>>>> ain't Windows Vista or Windows 8 either by any stretch.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Now, with that said, I would do one of 3 things.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 1. If you have an external drive to play with, install a completely 
>>>>>>> clean version of Mavericks onto a blank partition.  Then, set up your 
>>>>>>> Gmail account first and see how it runs.  If it is all right, then try 
>>>>>>> adding things to that install and see what happens.  If you find that 
>>>>>>> that install runs in a stable environment, then you probably want to do 
>>>>>>> a clean install on your regular system disk.  If you still have 
>>>>>>> problems, well guess what?  It's not the Mac or Mavericks, but, 
>>>>>>> instead, is gmail or some configuration of gmail you have set up.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2. If you don't have an external drive, you still might want to just do 
>>>>>>> a clean install anyway.  I'm a big believer in clean installs for any 
>>>>>>> new operating system.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 3. If the Mail is your biggest problem and suggestion 1 is either not 
>>>>>>> possible or just not practical with your schedule, as I know you are 
>>>>>>> quite busy,, you could install Mountain Lion on an external drive to do 
>>>>>>> mail and then use Mavericks to access Numbers and Pages.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The first alternative will give you the ability to mess with gmail, at 
>>>>>>> least. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Take Care
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>>>>> Director
>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind
>>>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>>>>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 4:24 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yesterday everything worked fine, so today if I have mail open I can't 
>>>>>>>> use any other programs on my computer or mail causes VoiceOver to be 
>>>>>>>> so choppy you can't understand a thing. Switching from gmail is not an 
>>>>>>>> option as I have years of mail messages archived, and everything 
>>>>>>>> worked fine on Mountain Lion. I don't want to go back to Mountain Lion 
>>>>>>>> as I need to use Numbers for work and Numbers had gotten unusable 
>>>>>>>> under Mountain Lion. What really pisses me off is some days the 
>>>>>>>> computer works fine, and the next without being shut off or put to 
>>>>>>>> sleep it is unusable. Even a restart doesn't fix the problems. Since 
>>>>>>>> starting to write this message, I have been interrupted five times 
>>>>>>>> with busy busy errors. I have spoken to Apple Accessibility and they 
>>>>>>>> know nothing. Not sure how in the world Apple could have released 
>>>>>>>> Mavericks with these kinds of bugs and then claimed they fixed 
>>>>>>>> everything. Just very frustrating. I have been a long time Apple boy 
>>>>>>>> and suggesting them to everyone but will never again suggest a Mac to 
>>>>>>>> anyone, as they used to be consistent and now are as unreliable as a 
>>>>>>>> PC. Sorry just had to vent. And yes, I have run disk repairs and still 
>>>>>>>> no fix. Who knows maybe tomorrow the computer will actually work, but 
>>>>>>>> that doesn't help me get the assignment done that I need to get done 
>>>>>>>> today.
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