Technically, gmail does not have any folders except for all mail. When a message is moved, copied, or deleted, gmail places a flag on the message. If a message is copied into multiple folders, gmail places multiple tags on the message. When a message is moved to trash / deleted, gmail places a trash flag on the message. Any trash flag that is over a month old is automatically deleted (I am not yet sure if the one month rule is based on the date of the message or the date of the flag). Note: If the automatically archive deleted messages box is not unchecked in preferences, gmail puts a permanent archive flag rather than permanently deleting the message once the month ends.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 11 Feb 2014, at 8:25, Teresa Cochran <batsfly...@me.com> wrote: > > Archiving just takes the messages out of your inbox and stores them until you > delete them manually. as far as I'm aware, Google Mail's trash folder gets > dumped every month or so, but I'm not sure about this. If you have IMAP set > up on your device or computer, putting items in the trash on that device is > the same as putting them in the trash mailbox remotely. > > HtH, > Teresa >> On Feb 10, 2014, at 11:17 AM, Daniel McGee <danielmcgee...@googlemail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hi Tim, I didn't know that. So in that case Bryan, ignore my suggestion. >> Teresa, how does the trash folder get messages periodically deleted? I have >> never heard of this before. >> Are you referring to the Trash folder in the Mail app or the Gmail website. >> Also what do you mean by archived? I have heard of this term numerous times >> but never really understood what it meant. >> Is it a form of deleting messages? >> >> Thanks >> >> Daniel >>> On 10 Feb 2014, at 18:37, Teresa Cochran <batsfly...@me.com> wrote: >>> >>> The only way I know is to go to settings on the Google Mail website and >>> limit the total message count to 1000. Also, you can have your trash go to >>> the trash folder and not be archived, and the trash folder will be emptied >>> periodically. >>> >>> HtH, >>> teresa >>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:33 AM, eric oyen <eric.o...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> hello all, >>>> >>>> I have been trying to find a way to delete the trash messages from the >>>> server completely (to the point of not even being visible in all mail). is >>>> there an easy way to do this? Also, is there a way to get gmail to fully >>>> delete stuff (no backups, no BS hanging around, etc.)? >>>> >>>> -eric >>>> >>>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Brian Fischler wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hey Daniel, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the suggestion. I don't have the time to go through all those >>>>> messages and delta them, actually not sure where they all came from as I >>>>> would have thought that maybe I had about 10,000 messages saved at most, >>>>> but when I went in to the all mail folder it was 97,000. Like I have said >>>>> my gmail worked fine on Mountain Lion. I use classic mail so I am summing >>>>> it is saving everything in a thread as an original message, but still >>>>> that number seems high and the all mail folder does seem to have all sent >>>>> items in there and deleted messages, not sure how to set my gmail >>>>> settings to just delete when I delete in mac mail and not save sent >>>>> messages to the all mail folder. Amazingly, Mac Mail is working fine >>>>> right now, but I know in a few hours it will be acting up again, so >>>>> strange. >>>>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Daniel McGee >>>>>> <danielmcgee...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Bryan, you say you have a bout 1097 messages or whatever the number is >>>>>> that sounds pretty high if it is indeed higher than the one I have given >>>>>> above. >>>>>> How about deleting the mail you don't need in the all mail folder ¬of >>>>>> your gmail account and then confirm that action again once they have >>>>>> been sent to the trash which will in turn completely wipe them from the >>>>>> G mail account. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is just a suggestion mind and you have may already tried it but if >>>>>> not go ahead assuming you haven't already deleted the account and see if >>>>>> that produces better performing results with Mail and G mail. >>>>>> >>>>>> Daniel >>>>>>> On 10 Feb 2014, at 08:05, Chris H <christopher...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Should be in the purchased section of the Mac App Store. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards Chris >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 09/02/2014 23:48, Jessica D wrote: >>>>>>>> how would you get ountain lion back without paying? i had it before >>>>>>>> mavericks? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 6:40 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Brian, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How about you try disabling your Gmail account temporarily while >>>>>>>>> doing your project. Go into Mail Prefs, select Accounts from the >>>>>>>>> Toolbar, select your Gmail account from the Accounts Table then >>>>>>>>> uncheck the "Enable this Account" checkbox. Now, with your Gmail >>>>>>>>> account disabled, you should be able to do your work, receive Mail >>>>>>>>> from other accounts, and you can re-enable it when you need it again >>>>>>>>> and it doesn't affect your project. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Later... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hey well I guess a clean install isn't going to happen today, as I >>>>>>>>>> am not sure if I know how to boot from my external drive, might have >>>>>>>>>> to have a buddy who knows more about computers help me with that. >>>>>>>>>> Plus I have to back everything up. Just very frustrating to be >>>>>>>>>> dealing with something new every day. Sorry for venting but hey you >>>>>>>>>> don't have to read it if you don't like it. Thanks to those who have >>>>>>>>>> offered solutions. Another funny note is the last few days since I >>>>>>>>>> have had these severe issues with mail open and running my Logictech >>>>>>>>>> solar keyboard doesn't work, but if I quit mail the Logictech >>>>>>>>>> keyboard works fine, very bizarre, and frustrating. And nope >>>>>>>>>> changing mail to check every 30 minutes unfortunately didn't help as >>>>>>>>>> in the middle of this I got busy busy busy again. >>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Google "clean install of Mvericks" to get the exact steps, but the >>>>>>>>>>> basic idea is you download the installer from the App Store, run a >>>>>>>>>>> terminal command once you plug in a properly formatted drive, and >>>>>>>>>>> wait. Once that is done, boot to that drive instead of your regular >>>>>>>>>>> one, open Disk Utility, completely wipe your Macintosh HD partition >>>>>>>>>>> (not the entire hard drive) and then close Disk Utility and select >>>>>>>>>>> "install Mac OS 10.9 Mvericks". Once that installs, you're done and >>>>>>>>>>> can start restoring your data. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For today, have you considered closing Mail completely and >>>>>>>>>>> operating off the Basic HTML version of Gmail's website instead? If >>>>>>>>>>> you do decide to switch mail providers, you can always set up >>>>>>>>>>> forwarding so you will keep getting your Gmail messages, as others >>>>>>>>>>> have suggested. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>>>>>> mehg...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 6:09 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Even more hilarious now I can't even get this gmail account >>>>>>>>>>>> removed from my computer as it keeps saying this account is >>>>>>>>>>>> connected to something. Not sure what the hell it is talking about >>>>>>>>>>>> as I have removed it before, but now with the mail issues I am >>>>>>>>>>>> having and trying to remove the account craps everything out. What >>>>>>>>>>>> do I need to do a clean install? Do I just need to download >>>>>>>>>>>> Mavericks to my external drive or do I need to create a bootable >>>>>>>>>>>> thing of some kind, don't remember the steps and today things have >>>>>>>>>>>> gotten so bad and have restarted the computer five times and it >>>>>>>>>>>> isn't fixing it, so considering I am on deadline for an article to >>>>>>>>>>>> say I'm a little pissed off since I need to use gmail for this >>>>>>>>>>>> article is an understatement. Thanks. >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 5:50 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, like Alex suggested, you can create a new gmail account and >>>>>>>>>>>>> just set it up to forward your mail to it. This might be a >>>>>>>>>>>>> little bit of a pain in the neck, but it is a temporary solution >>>>>>>>>>>>> you can reverse when the problems are fixed. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Or, again, install ML on an external disk and use that solely for >>>>>>>>>>>>> mail until the next version of Mavericks, 10.9.2, is released. >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is exactly why I always keep a functioning version of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> previous OS available on external partitions. I have them going >>>>>>>>>>>>> back to Snow Leopard, in fact. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Take Care >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> John D. Panarese >>>>>>>>>>>>> Director >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 5:38 PM, Brian Fischler >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey John, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the suggestions. It definitely is a gmail and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mavericks issue as I have removed gmail and then reinstalled it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in to the Mac Mail. When gmail is removed mac mail works fine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My issue is I can't switch from gmail to another mail provider >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I have people constantly contacting em through gmail. So not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure what to do as I have heard from several people that doing a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> clean install did not fix their gmail problem with mac mail. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Considering this problem doesn't happen every day tells me that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is a gmail and Apple Mavericks compatability issue. What >>>>>>>>>>>>>> angers me to no end is I held off upgrading to Mavericks until >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple claimed they fixed this issue in December so that is why I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> am so angry as the days when Mac Mail and gmail don't cooperate >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't get a thing done. I apologize for any misspelled words >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as mail is pausing so much as I type this with busy busy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> messages. And like I said everything worked fine yesterday. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 4:43 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Brian, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A few things here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> firstly, I understand frustrations and annoyances that get to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone at times. However, remember to put things into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective. I have had no issues like your experiencing on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any of my three Macs and the only couple of people I know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having mail issues have the common denominator as Gmail being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part of the problem. So, to say that you can't recommend Macs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of inconsistencies is quite drastic. You are dealing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a situation that is either system specific or gmail >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific. That has little to do with the overall experience of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mavericks most people are having. No, Mavericks isn't perfect, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but it ain't Windows Vista or Windows 8 either by any stretch. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, with that said, I would do one of 3 things. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If you have an external drive to play with, install a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> completely clean version of Mavericks onto a blank partition. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, set up your Gmail account first and see how it runs. If >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is all right, then try adding things to that install and see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what happens. If you find that that install runs in a stable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> environment, then you probably want to do a clean install on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your regular system disk. If you still have problems, well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess what? It's not the Mac or Mavericks, but, instead, is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gmail or some configuration of gmail you have set up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. If you don't have an external drive, you still might want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just do a clean install anyway. I'm a big believer in clean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installs for any new operating system. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. If the Mail is your biggest problem and suggestion 1 is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either not possible or just not practical with your schedule, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I know you are quite busy,, you could install Mountain Lion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on an external drive to do mail and then use Mavericks to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> access Numbers and Pages. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first alternative will give you the ability to mess with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gmail, at least. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take Care >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John D. Panarese >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 4:24 PM, Brian Fischler >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yesterday everything worked fine, so today if I have mail open >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't use any other programs on my computer or mail causes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VoiceOver to be so choppy you can't understand a thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Switching from gmail is not an option as I have years of mail >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> messages archived, and everything worked fine on Mountain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lion. I don't want to go back to Mountain Lion as I need to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use Numbers for work and Numbers had gotten unusable under >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mountain Lion. What really pisses me off is some days the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer works fine, and the next without being shut off or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put to sleep it is unusable. Even a restart doesn't fix the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems. Since starting to write this message, I have been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interrupted five times with busy busy errors. I have spoken to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Accessibility and they know nothing. Not sure how in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world Apple could have released Mavericks with these kinds of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bugs and then claimed they fixed everything. Just very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frustrating. I have been a long time Apple boy and suggesting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them to everyone but will >>>>>>> never again suggest a Mac to anyone, as they used to be consistent and >>>>>>> now are as unreliable as a PC. Sorry just had to vent. And yes, I have >>>>>>> run disk repairs and still no fix. 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