Even more hilarious now I can't even get this gmail account removed from my 
computer as it keeps saying this account is connected to something. Not sure 
what the hell it is talking about as I have removed it before, but now with the 
mail issues I am having and trying to remove the account craps everything out. 
What do I need to do a clean install? Do I just need to download Mavericks to 
my external drive or do I need to create a bootable thing of some kind, don't 
remember the steps and today things have gotten so bad and have restarted the 
computer five times and it isn't fixing it, so considering I am on deadline for 
an article to say I'm a little pissed off since I need to use gmail for this 
article is an understatement. Thanks.
On Feb 9, 2014, at 5:50 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote:

>   Well, like Alex suggested, you can create a new gmail account and just set 
> it up to forward your mail to it.  This might be a little bit of a pain in 
> the neck, but it is a temporary solution you can reverse when the problems 
> are fixed.
> 
>   Or, again, install ML on an external disk and use that solely for mail 
> until the next version of Mavericks, 10.9.2, is released.  This is exactly 
> why I always keep a functioning version of the previous OS available on 
> external partitions.  I have them going back to Snow Leopard, in fact.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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> Director
> Mac for the Blind
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> On Feb 9, 2014, at 5:38 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hey John, 
>> 
>> Thanks for the suggestions. It definitely is a gmail and Mavericks issue as 
>> I have removed gmail and then reinstalled it in to the Mac Mail. When gmail 
>> is removed mac mail works fine. My issue is I can't switch from gmail to 
>> another mail provider as I have people constantly contacting em through 
>> gmail. So not sure what to do as I have heard from several people that doing 
>> a clean install did not fix their gmail problem with mac mail. Considering 
>> this problem doesn't happen every day tells me that it is a gmail and Apple 
>> Mavericks compatability issue. What angers me to no end is I held off 
>> upgrading to Mavericks until Apple claimed they fixed this issue in December 
>> so that is why I am so angry as the days when Mac Mail and gmail don't 
>> cooperate I can't get a thing done. I apologize for any misspelled words as 
>> mail is pausing so much as I type this with busy busy messages. And like I 
>> said everything worked fine yesterday.
>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 4:43 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Brian,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A few things here.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> firstly, I understand frustrations and annoyances that get to someone at 
>>> times.  However, remember to put things into perspective.  I have had no 
>>> issues like your experiencing on any of my three Macs and the only couple 
>>> of people I know having mail issues have the common denominator as Gmail 
>>> being part of the problem.  So, to say that you can't recommend Macs 
>>> because of inconsistencies is quite drastic.  You are dealing with a 
>>> situation that is either system specific or gmail specific.  That has 
>>> little to do with the overall experience of Mavericks most people are 
>>> having.  No, Mavericks isn't perfect, but it ain't Windows Vista or Windows 
>>> 8 either by any stretch.
>>> 
>>> Now, with that said, I would do one of 3 things.
>>> 
>>> 1. If you have an external drive to play with, install a completely clean 
>>> version of Mavericks onto a blank partition.  Then, set up your Gmail 
>>> account first and see how it runs.  If it is all right, then try adding 
>>> things to that install and see what happens.  If you find that that install 
>>> runs in a stable environment, then you probably want to do a clean install 
>>> on your regular system disk.  If you still have problems, well guess what?  
>>> It's not the Mac or Mavericks, but, instead, is gmail or some configuration 
>>> of gmail you have set up.
>>> 
>>> 2. If you don't have an external drive, you still might want to just do a 
>>> clean install anyway.  I'm a big believer in clean installs for any new 
>>> operating system.
>>> 
>>> 3. If the Mail is your biggest problem and suggestion 1 is either not 
>>> possible or just not practical with your schedule, as I know you are quite 
>>> busy,, you could install Mountain Lion on an external drive to do mail and 
>>> then use Mavericks to access Numbers and Pages.
>>> 
>>>  The first alternative will give you the ability to mess with gmail, at 
>>> least. 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
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>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 4:24 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yesterday everything worked fine, so today if I have mail open I can't use 
>>>> any other programs on my computer or mail causes VoiceOver to be so choppy 
>>>> you can't understand a thing. Switching from gmail is not an option as I 
>>>> have years of mail messages archived, and everything worked fine on 
>>>> Mountain Lion. I don't want to go back to Mountain Lion as I need to use 
>>>> Numbers for work and Numbers had gotten unusable under Mountain Lion. What 
>>>> really pisses me off is some days the computer works fine, and the next 
>>>> without being shut off or put to sleep it is unusable. Even a restart 
>>>> doesn't fix the problems. Since starting to write this message, I have 
>>>> been interrupted five times with busy busy errors. I have spoken to Apple 
>>>> Accessibility and they know nothing. Not sure how in the world Apple could 
>>>> have released Mavericks with these kinds of bugs and then claimed they 
>>>> fixed everything. Just very frustrating. I have been a long time Apple boy 
>>>> and suggesting them to everyone but will never again suggest a Mac to 
>>>> anyone, as they used to be consistent and now are as unreliable as a PC. 
>>>> Sorry just had to vent. And yes, I have run disk repairs and still no fix. 
>>>> Who knows maybe tomorrow the computer will actually work, but that doesn't 
>>>> help me get the assignment done that I need to get done today.
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