Re: [NOTICE] Wave is Retired - What's next?

2018-02-01 Thread Upayavira
t; > On 2018/01/27 18:59:09, Zachary Yaro wrote: > > I do not recall getting an answer to this before: do we still have access > > to the old (pre-Apache) mailing list? > > > > Zachary Yaro > > > > On Jan 27, 2018 10:53, "Upayavira" wrote: > >

Re: [NOTICE] Wave is Retired - What's next?

2018-01-27 Thread Upayavira
lists. John, Would it be possible to schedule the list shutdown at a fixed point in the future? e.g. 1week? Then those that remain here have that time to arrange a new venue for communication. If no such discussion happens - so be it, but at least there was a window for that discussion. Upayavira

[VOTE] Retire Wave

2018-01-01 Thread Upayavira
really aimed at members of the Wave PPMC, however general votes are welcomed. [ ] +1 Retire Wave [ ] 0 Abstain [ ] -1 Keep Wave in the Apache Incubator Upayavira

Re: Resigning as mentor: what next?

2017-11-29 Thread Upayavira
just requires a consensus, here. Upayavira On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, at 05:06 PM, Upayavira wrote: > I would say that the vote should happen as soon as it can. The ASF won't > put us under undue pressure to move things elsewhere (so long as they > actually happen!) > > Upayavira >

Re: Resigning as mentor: what next?

2017-11-29 Thread Upayavira
I would say that the vote should happen as soon as it can. The ASF won't put us under undue pressure to move things elsewhere (so long as they actually happen!) Upayavira On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, at 04:01 PM, Yuri Z wrote: > Ok, let's wait some time. But, repo, jira and documentat

Re: Resigning as mentor: what next?

2017-11-28 Thread Upayavira
> > > > On 27 November 2017 at 14:43, Dustin Pfannenstiel < > > dustin.pfannenst...@nth-estate.com> wrote: > > > > > I've set up a repo and organization for the code base on github. > > > https://github.com/TimaeusWave/WaveServer > > > >

Re: Resigning as mentor: what next?

2017-11-27 Thread Upayavira
11:43 AM, Dustin Pfannenstiel < > dustin.pfannenst...@nth-estate.com> wrote: > > > I've set up a repo and organization for the code base on github. > > https://github.com/TimaeusWave/WaveServer > > > > Thanks for the years of support and, well, just everything

Re: Resigning as mentor: what next?

2017-11-27 Thread Upayavira
process from Apache's side. The code is publicly available under an Apache License. Any of you can push your local repo up to GitHub and share it with whoever you like, using a name that includes the word "Wave", so that would be a step alongside the more ASF-focussed administrative tasks above. Upayavira

Resigning as mentor: what next?

2017-11-25 Thread Upayavira
welcome it back. Having checked, I do not believe the ASF would lay any claim on the name "Wave" so the project could continue to call itself "Wave" at GitHub or elsewhere. Any thoughts/objections/alternative suggestions, before I call a retirement vote? Many thanks, Upayavira

Re: Bumping to v0.5

2017-07-01 Thread Upayavira
ix the bugs > in that release. Because I believe we still wanted to do a release > soonish. > > On 1 Jul 2017 10:12 PM, "Upayavira" wrote: > > > Presumably the time to do that would be when making a 0.5.0 release, no? > > :-) > > > > On

Re: Bumping to v0.5

2017-07-01 Thread Upayavira
Presumably the time to do that would be when making a 0.5.0 release, no? :-) On Sat, 1 Jul 2017, at 07:41 AM, Evan Hughes wrote: > Hello All, > > wanting to gauge community feedback and feedback from the committers on > the > proposal of us bumping to version 0.5. I suggest we do this as I've bee

Re: GSoC 2017 - Wave e2e encryption

2017-05-18 Thread Upayavira
reness of how open source communities function. I hope this is helpful. Let me know if you have any questions. Upayavira On Thu, 18 May 2017, at 02:13 PM, David Llop wrote: > Hello, my name is David Llop and as Pablo has said, I am going to work on > Wave/SwellRT during this Summer! >

Re: SwellRT update

2017-03-20 Thread Upayavira
Pablo, Do you see Wave's copy of SwellRT as a fork? Or perhaps as a downstream dependency of SwellRT? How do you see the SwellRT team collaborating with Wave? Upayavira On Mon, 20 Mar 2017, at 03:25 PM, Pablo Ojanguren wrote: > ICLAs from original copyright owners of SwellRT source

Re: To-do's for graduation

2017-03-11 Thread Upayavira
ve of graduation, irrelevant. Upayavira I am not sure we can yet meet this cri On Sat, 11 Mar 2017, at 03:57 PM, Michael MacFadden wrote: > Hello all, > > I know there has been some email traffic on this recently, but I think we > should also prepare a little section in the wiki tha

Re: Podling Report Reminder - March 2017

2017-03-01 Thread Upayavira
> should start preparing now for the next report. > > > > > > > > On 27 Feb 2017 10:46 PM, "David Murphy" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Graduating may give the project greater visibility. What are the > > > > > consequences for

Re: Podling Report Reminder - March 2017

2017-02-27 Thread Upayavira
ay "we are wondering whether we have reached a sufficient level of stability to consider graduation, and are discussing it" in our board report. Upayavira On Mon, 27 Feb 2017, at 01:15 PM, Evan Hughes wrote: > If we do decide to go for grad it won't happen this round I reckon but

Re: Podling Report Reminder - March 2017

2017-02-27 Thread Upayavira
s the base requirement for a functioning PMC. We're not going to suddenly grow in a hurry. But it seems we're also not going to go away either. Perhaps we should just bite the bullet and discuss graduation? Perhaps this question could be put into the board report somehow? Upayavira On

Re: new committer: Pablo Ojanguren

2017-01-12 Thread Upayavira
Welcome Pablo! On Thu, 12 Jan 2017, at 11:35 AM, Yuri Z wrote: > The Project Management Committee (PMC) for Apache Wave has invited Pablo > Ojanguren to become a committer and we are pleased to announce that he > has > accepted. > Pablo is an active contributor of high quality code and is active w

Re: Wave under Let's Encrypt

2016-12-08 Thread Upayavira
I've not used lets-encrypt for Wave, but I've used it to automate the creation of a Docker Registry server. See here: https://github.com/odoko-devops/uberstack/tree/master/apps/registry Upayavira On Thu, 8 Dec 2016, at 03:13 AM, Evan Hughes wrote: > Gonna see if I can setup a de

Re: Podling Report Reminder - December 2016

2016-12-05 Thread Upayavira
s that could be made: * We have started exploring the SwellRT code and how we might absorb it * We are seeing some renewal of activity * SwellRT has reduced the complexity of the Wave codebase, so pulling it back into Wave will make it easier for new developers to engage with us. Upayavira

Re: SwellRT Applying to Mozilla Open Source Support

2016-11-29 Thread Upayavira
Absolutely, anyone here is welcome to join in with your efforts - more power to you all! On Tue, 29 Nov 2016, at 06:01 PM, Pablo Ojanguren wrote: > of course @upayavira I know Apache positioning. I didn't mean to involve > Apache directly, just to offer some help to Wave's com

Re: SwellRT Applying to Mozilla Open Source Support

2016-11-29 Thread Upayavira
Wave. As far as Apache is concerned, you will just be another person paid to work on an Apache codebase - Apache cannot give any special affirmation of your effort above those of any other contributor. Does that make sense? Upayavira On Tue, 29 Nov 2016, at 11:50 AM, Pablo Ojanguren wrote: >

Re: Swellrt dependencies and wave dependencies

2016-11-16 Thread Upayavira
Now's a good time for folks to start looking at this code. People who previously tried using Wave, but found it too complicated - take a look at this branch - is it easier to work with? Are there places you think you could usefully contribute? Upayavira On Wed, 16 Nov 2016, at 12:40 PM,

Re: Retirement

2016-10-22 Thread Upayavira
sonally I'll probably end up writing a GWT wrapper for the SwellRT > client javascipt so I can use it myself ;) > > -- > http://lostagain.nl <-- our company site. > http://fanficmaker.com <-- our, really,really, bad story generator. > > > On 20 October 2016 at 18

Re: Retirement

2016-10-20 Thread Upayavira
that makes it worth the effort porting it to Apache. The suggested steps you outline below are a great part of that. Upayavira On Thu, 20 Oct 2016, at 02:55 PM, Thomas Wrobel wrote: > Any consensus then on how to move forward? > I've signed up and started looking around swellrt. O

Re: SwellRT tech overview

2016-10-10 Thread Upayavira
ll be a no-brainer for Apache to accept SwellRT. Upayavira On Mon, 10 Oct 2016, at 10:10 PM, Adam John wrote: > Sorry to have missed you, Thomas. > > "Cant a date be set, a vote be taken, then either import SwellRT or not?" > According to Upayavira there should be a propos

Re: SwellRT tech overview

2016-10-10 Thread Upayavira
ing into Apache before we do it. Upayavira On Mon, 10 Oct 2016, at 10:00 PM, Thomas Wrobel wrote: > I am sorry I didn't make the meeting, glade to see it was productive. > However, I am curious though why there is questions still as to if > SwellRT should be merged with wave. >

Re: SwellRT tech overview

2016-10-05 Thread Upayavira
contributing over there. Then, we'd be bringing both code and community into Apache, which would give me far more confidence than just importing code but with no confidence that anyone is actually going to do anything with it. Upayavira On Wed, 5 Oct 2016, at 10:03 PM, Adam John wrote: >

Re: Retirement

2016-08-31 Thread Upayavira
est course of action is for a few people to get together and produce an entirely new Wave codebase. We've tried, and failed with the codebase we have. Upayavira On Wed, 31 Aug 2016, at 08:25 AM, Adam John wrote: > Created a GitHub organization, added each of the available repos: > https

Re: Retirement

2016-08-30 Thread Upayavira
seems to be simply too complex for people to be able to pick up. The idea stands as a good one, but the code is just too complex. Upayavira On Tue, 30 Aug 2016, at 09:58 PM, Taylor Fahlman wrote: > I've been a reader of this list for a while. I am another one of the > people > who

Re: Retirement

2016-08-30 Thread Upayavira
omeone (or someones) wanted to move it to Github, that'd be fine. I'm sure Apache wouldn't object to them using the name "Wave" in some form. Upayavira On Tue, 30 Aug 2016, at 08:54 PM, Michael MacFadden wrote: > Yuri, > > Being a mostly silent participant at this point.

Re: Retirement

2016-08-30 Thread Upayavira
n maybe there could be hope for the project at Apache. But there is very little resource available here for reviewing your work, so we must also be realistic. Upayavira On Tue, 30 Aug 2016, at 05:05 PM, Greg Cochard wrote: > I am also a cheerleader of the project and given some more time I'

Re: Retirement

2016-08-30 Thread Upayavira
to the name "Apache Wave", I cannot imagine anyone objecting to a "Wave" project being set up, e.g. on Github. So long as the terms of the Apache License V2 are honoured, it is quite acceptable for the project to continue elsewhere, where there is no particular expectation of activity level. Upayavira

Re: Final draft of the Incubator Board Report - April 2016

2016-04-11 Thread Upayavira
The wiki page has been marked as 'final'. If you know how to update the actual report, feel free. Upayavira On Mon, 11 Apr 2016, at 02:13 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > Got it. If you're having issues with the wiki, I'd be happy to tick your > name for you (since

Re: Final draft of the Incubator Board Report - April 2016

2016-04-11 Thread Upayavira
Regarding Wave, I'm happy to sign off the report, just didn't get time and got stuck regaining access to my wiki account given slow responses from Moin. And yes, if Wave continues in the incubator, it really could do with more mentors. Upayavira On Mon, 11 Apr 2016, at 11:56 AM, Joh

Re: Wavy Future - Project Brief

2016-04-07 Thread Upayavira
t way in open source - the project has no power to make me do anything at all, in which case, timescales are pretty useless. Upayavira On Thu, 7 Apr 2016, at 10:37 PM, Gaurav Shukla wrote: > I second Upayavira on this, the project brief looks fine but it should be > broken down into meaningf

Re: Wavy Future - Project Brief

2016-04-07 Thread Upayavira
pen source is to tap into developer's sense of their own self-interest. Thoughts? Upayavira

Re: A Wavy Future

2016-03-10 Thread Upayavira
guess you'll hope they love it enough to take it on. Upayavira

Re: Review Request 41700: vagrant file for apache wave

2015-12-24 Thread Upayavira
my mac. I ll try later on my windows laptop. > > On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 8:58 PM Yuri Z wrote: > > > Yeah, I have vagrant and virtual box - but still got some issues. I am > > working to fix them. Meanwhile - can someone review this patch? > > > > On Thu, D

Re: Review Request 41700: vagrant file for apache wave

2015-12-24 Thread Upayavira
Install both VirtualBox and Vagrant on your mac, then do vagrant up The ubuntu/fedora etc refers (i presume) the guest OS rather than the host os which is in your case MacOS. Upayavira On Thu, Dec 24, 2015, at 03:37 PM, Yuri Zelikov wrote: > > > > On Dec. 24, 2015, 3:18 p.m.,

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Wave 0.4.0-rc10 / due reports

2015-12-23 Thread Upayavira
a community could be seen as three active developers. And also to show that the community has learned how to collaborate in accordance with what is loosely described as "the Apache Way". Upayavira On Wed, Dec 23, 2015, at 02:25 PM, Andreas Kotes wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, De

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Wave 0.4.0-rc10

2015-12-23 Thread Upayavira
Someone needs to just agitate on general@incubator to find a volunteer or two to review our release. Once it has received three +1 votes from Incubator PMC members, it will be an official incubator release and we are done with that task. Upayavira On Wed, Dec 23, 2015, at 02:23 PM, Yuri Z wrote

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Wave 0.4.0-rc10

2015-11-29 Thread Upayavira
Not quite the same. The project has put the release to the Incubator PMC. If they do not respond, it isn't the Wave community's fault. So, in the board report, you can state that you are waiting on the Incubator PMC to complete your I first release vote. Upayavira On Sun, Nov 29, 2015

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Wave 0.4.0-rc10

2015-11-16 Thread Upayavira
Bug and nudge on general@incubator. Upayavira On Mon, Nov 16, 2015, at 04:40 PM, Michael MacFadden wrote: > Is there anything we can do to help with that? > > > > > On 11/14/15, 6:07 AM, "Ali Lown" a...@lown.me.uk> wrote: > > >I am trying to get en

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Wave 0.4.0-rc10

2015-11-05 Thread Upayavira
Lown wrote: > Upayavira, > > Am I overlooking something? > > I definitely wrote 6 committer votes (+1 mentor vote) in the email > dated 3rd November. > > https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-wave-dev/201511.mbox/%3CCABRGrVenajwQPBw98Zy99UqrMNNQ

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Wave 0.4.0-rc10

2015-11-03 Thread Upayavira
Congrats Ali, and good luck with your future plans! Can I ask you to check those tallies? I'm sure there are more committer/PPMC member votes than two. Upayavira On Tue, Nov 3, 2015, at 03:22 PM, Ali Lown wrote: > Hi all, > > Thanks for taking part in verifying this release ca

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Wave 0.4.0-rc10

2015-10-20 Thread Upayavira
As far as I'm concerned, you can still vote on the existing thread. Please vote from a legal perspective rather than a technical one. The timeframe is set to ensure people have the ability to vote - it isn't a requirement that it completes within a specific timeframe. thx. Upayavi

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Wave 0.4.0-rc10

2015-10-18 Thread Upayavira
Non-binding votes have a different value. If we had insufficient committer/PPMC votes but loads of quality (I.e not drive by) non-binding votes, it would suggest we have a different problem, and could look how to addresss that. Upayavira On Sat, Oct 17, 2015, at 09:33 PM, Zachary Yaro wrote: >

Re: Incubation

2015-10-08 Thread Upayavira
arn during incubation. Upayavira On Thu, Oct 8, 2015, at 03:58 AM, Ali Lown wrote: > Upayavira, > > I do concede that after watching over Wave here for the last 3 years > the project doesn't appear to have progress hugely far in terms of new > user-visible functionality, but I don&#

Re: Incubation

2015-10-07 Thread Upayavira
hat can sometimes be challenging. But having shown that this PPMC can (a) produce a release tarball and (b) submit it to the Incubator PMC having acquired 3 or more +1 votes from PPMC members would make a big difference in terms of moving us closer to meeting graduation requirements. Reasonable? Upay

Incubation

2015-10-07 Thread Upayavira
that all of the source code is Apache Licensed, meaning it can be forked elsewhere - the only discussion required is the name that the relocated project would take. Thoughts? Upayavira

Re: [VOTE] Wave Release Candidate 9

2015-05-31 Thread Upayavira
Yes, please do! On Sat, May 30, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Yuri Z wrote: > Ok, should we then proceed with release while adding a notice that > federation is broken atm? > > On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 11:23 AM Upayavira wrote: > > > remember that the intent of this release is to sho

Re: [VOTE] Wave Release Candidate 9

2015-05-30 Thread Upayavira
. Let's get a legally correct release out now, and then aim to follow it with another that has more bugs fixed. Upayavira On Fri, May 29, 2015, at 09:36 PM, Yuri Z wrote: > Well, actually it looks like we have an issue with federation... > > On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 11:35 PM Up

Re: [VOTE] Wave Release Candidate 9

2015-05-29 Thread Upayavira
What I'm waiting to hear is "here's a release that we've all voted on and think is ready", which I will then review and (hopefully) pass onto the incubator PMC for further review. Upayavira On Fri, May 29, 2015, at 07:59 AM, Ben Hegarty wrote: > A massive +1, that

Re: Moderator: please unsubscribe

2015-05-07 Thread Upayavira
I have unsubscribed everyone on this list, and BCC’d them too, seeing as they won’t see this message otherwise. Upayavira On Thu, May 7, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Basavaraj K N [MaGE] wrote: > Please unsubscribe my this email ID > "basavaraj...@manipalglobal.com<mailto:basavaraj...@man

Re: Coming Months

2015-04-07 Thread Upayavira
reasonable certainty of completion and success. The main resource we lack at the moment is people to actually do the work, so we need to identify small, manageable tasks that will help draw in new resources which might, in turn, allow us to take on larger tasks. Upayavira On Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 04

Re: Coming Months

2015-04-06 Thread Upayavira
I presume times are UTC? On Mon, Apr 6, 2015, at 02:39 AM, Ali Lown wrote: > Here is a fairly large Doodle poll to see see when may work as a good > date/time for a hangout. > > http://doodle.com/uz9vq9qiwyuqigsa > > Let me know if you want more time options. > > Ali > > On 4 April 2015 at 07:

Re: about voting on releases

2015-04-02 Thread Upayavira
. Upayavira On Wed, Apr 1, 2015, at 06:39 PM, Upayavira wrote: > for those here that aren't familiar with Apache style release votes, > here is some background. > > When we vote on a release candidate, we are saying two things: that we > believe it to be valid from a licensing pers

about voting on releases

2015-04-01 Thread Upayavira
count. However, demonstrating that the community is behind the release is also crucially important, so whoever you are, committer or not, programmer or not, please download the artefact and review some of it. Thanks! Upayavira

Re: Actions Items (was: Roadmap)

2015-03-31 Thread Upayavira
the way in which the code is bad - make it a simpler form of bad :-) Getting a release out could help people make the recognition that they’d like to help with this task. And I’d say it is worth a try. Upayavira On Tue, Mar 31, 2015, at 06:45 PM, Yuri Z wrote: > So, should I prepare a new RC f

Re: Coming Months

2015-03-31 Thread Upayavira
I would also happily join. On Tue, Mar 31, 2015, at 10:24 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > Hi, > > I was once attending such a meeting and will do it again if it is > helpful to this community. > > Mind to organize something via in example doodle? > > Cheers > Christian > > > On Tue, Mar 31,

Re: Roadmap

2015-03-24 Thread Upayavira
upon. Please join in the discussions and let us know where you can contribute. But remember, we all contribute here as individuals first. Thanks! Upayavira On Tue, Mar 24, 2015, at 02:48 PM, Kirill Kostyuchenko wrote: > Hello Wiab! > During the year Andrew Kaplanov & Denis Konovalchik i

Re: Raise your hands if you would like to participate

2015-03-24 Thread Upayavira
See mention of it here: https://www.apache.org/dev/new-committers-guide.html Upayavira On Tue, Mar 24, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Ben Hegarty wrote: > Who do we send the scanned ICLA to? > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Christian Grobmeier > > wrote: > > > Awesome feedb

Re: GSoC 2015 with Apache Wave

2015-03-23 Thread Upayavira
hopefully incorporated. The simple question that should drive the GSoC discussion: what changes can we make to the WiaB codebase that will make it easier, more accessible and more appealing to new developers/contributors? Upayavira On Sat, Mar 21, 2015, at 06:44 PM, Pablo Ojanguren wrote: > Upayav

Re: GSoC 2015 with Apache Wave

2015-03-20 Thread Upayavira
? Upayavira On Fri, Mar 20, 2015, at 04:50 PM, Roshan Lakmal wrote: > Hi all, > > I stared to read about Wave architecture and protocol. > > Can I still continue this project for GSoC 2015 or Is there any other > task > that I can contribute. > Is there anyone to mentor me fo

Re: Wave and Incubation

2015-03-18 Thread Upayavira
Yuri, Please know that there’d be no reason (as far as I am aware) that current data would be removed from JIRA/Wiki/etc. It would simply be marked read-only. I don’t know whether it’d be possible to add a forwarding message to the top of such pages. Upayavira On Tue, Mar 17, 2015, at 05:41 PM

Re: Wave and Incubation

2015-03-16 Thread Upayavira
allows multiple implementations. Upayavira On Mon, Mar 16, 2015, at 10:24 AM, Yuri Z wrote: > What are the technical requirements for graduation? > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:39 AM Vicente J. Ruiz Jurado > > wrote: > > > El 16/03/15 a las 08:35, Christian Grobmeier escr

Wave and Incubation

2015-03-14 Thread Upayavira
/Sourceforge/etc. In the end, this is a decision of the Incubator PMC, however I’d like to see whether anyone here has any thoughts to add before I put this to the wider Incubator community. Upayavira P.S. This came up on the incubator-general list as a part of a discussion on the Wave report

Re: RC6 available for pre-view

2014-09-02 Thread Upayavira
We should aim to get a legally valid release out, and not worry so much about bugs, this time. We can make a 0.4.1 release soon afterwards that fixes those bugs. That release will be way simpler than the previous one. Upayavira On Fri, Aug 29, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Yuri Z wrote: > I found a

Re: Third party dependencies from http://wave.alown.co.uk fail the build

2014-08-25 Thread Upayavira
the terms of its license (note, some licenses mandate inclusion in a binary form). Upayavira

Re: [VOTE] Move Wave to a true 'git' repository at Apache

2013-12-14 Thread Upayavira
Maybe not, but it needs consensus, and if the vote gives us that, then all well and good. Upayavira On Sat, Dec 14, 2013, at 06:31 AM, Yuri Z wrote: > I think we just need to issue the request to Infra, no need to vote. > > > On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 3:19 AM, Ali Lown wrote: >

Re: [VOTE] To stay or not to stay

2013-12-10 Thread Upayavira
vote is to gauge where the community wants to be. The last thing I want to do is mentor a group of folks that actually want to be elsewhere. If the collective decision (principally of the committers/PPMC members) is to stay, then I'm happy to stay around and see where we can take this project.

[VOTE] To stay or not to stay

2013-12-10 Thread Upayavira
to cast your votes: [ ] Wave should stay at Apache [ ] Wave should leave Apache, and find a home elsewhere Thanks, Upayavira

Re: Wave Kickstarter

2013-12-10 Thread Upayavira
ues, so it can be done (not that it should - ultimately tests not my decision to make). Upayavira On Wed, Dec 4, 2013, at 08:42 PM, Joseph Gentle wrote: > Will do. As I said, I don't anticipate starting the kickstarter for > about a year, though I want to do preliminary work (prototyp

Re: Wave Kickstarter

2013-12-03 Thread Upayavira
ork there to your heart's content. The wider community need only kick in at the point at which you want to release something. I'm not saying you should do it in the ASF. As has been suggests here, you'll need to assess a set of intangibles to make your decision - which location would get you more traction? Which would better facilitate exploration? Which would appeal most to potential funders? And then, when you've made your decision, the rest of hue he wave community needs ego make their own decision as to whether to stay or go. All I'd like is that a decision is made, one way or the other. Upayavira

Re: Incubation status

2013-12-02 Thread Upayavira
, and will ease development, then go for it, I say. Upayavira On Mon, Dec 2, 2013, at 01:46 AM, Michael MacFadden wrote: > I would still be more than happy to press through the mavenization, but > it > seemed like people were some what against the idea until we got the > release out the door

Re: Incubation status

2013-11-29 Thread Upayavira
er at Apache or elsewhere, I'd encourage them to jump in and start suggesting where they think it should go. Upayavira On Fri, Nov 29, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Thomas Wrobel wrote: > Wave really lacks a roadmap? > Surely that's something that could be hammered out, at least in rough, i

Re: Why does nobody vote on the release? (was: Fwd: Re: [VOTE] Release Wave 0.4 based on RC4)

2013-09-13 Thread Upayavira
e to be able to forward this vote to the incubator PMC saying we had 15 +1 votes :-) Upayavira On Fri, Sep 13, 2013, at 06:13 PM, Bruno Gonzalez (aka stenyak) wrote: > I was under the (maybe incorrect) impression that these releases are not > focused on the code per se, but rather on getting th

Re: Why does nobody vote on the release? (was: Fwd: Re: [VOTE] Release Wave 0.4 based on RC4)

2013-09-13 Thread Upayavira
e, we would still have the bass for getting a release right, which will make future releases vastly simpler. Upayavira On Fri, Sep 13, 2013, at 02:35 AM, Joseph Gentle wrote: > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Christian Grobmeier > wrote: > > Am 12.09.13 20:35, schrieb Ali Lown: > >

Re: Reminder: it should happen on-list (regarding upcoming Google Hangout)

2013-07-25 Thread Upayavira
the quality, or otherwise, of the code-base. And the next big thing is getting that release out - proving that we understand how to correctly license(etc) our code. (We didn't actually get to the point of releasing, did we??) Upayavira On Wed, Jul 24, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Alfredo Abambres

Re: Frequent turbulence bugs resolved with updated client server protocol patch

2013-07-11 Thread Upayavira
t* compatible with WIAB. Wouldn't reflect very well on those servers though, I'd say, so could provide an incentive to improve compatibility. > (of course, in this specific case wiab.pro passes with ease as its > contributing protocol improvements back) Which is a good thing! Upayavira

Re: Frequent turbulence bugs resolved with updated client server protocol patch

2013-07-11 Thread Upayavira
can list it. I'd say we can leave the 'contributing back' element to them. The license doesn't require it, and if WIAB really takes off, they'll struggle to maintain a compatible fork, so will learn by experience the necessity for getting your fixes into the mainline codebase. Upayavira

Waveprotocol.org (was Re: A New Committer)

2013-07-09 Thread Upayavira
That sounds reasonable. The idea of a separation is nice, but I agree that responsibility for the protocols does appear to ave fallen on us. If this is the case, can we have the waveprotocol.org domain transferred to the ASF? Then the infrastructure team can point it wherever we ask. Upayavira

Re: John's Wiki Permissions

2013-06-28 Thread Upayavira
Christian didn't say exclusive, only that for PPMC members it is given without question. I'm very happy for you to help out. Upayavira On Fri, Jun 28, 2013, at 08:01 AM, Angus Turner wrote: > I'm not a PMC but I could just see that as a way to further help out. > Nev

Re: Joining as a Mentor

2013-06-25 Thread Upayavira
What wiki? Do we have one? If not, I can get one set up. We have a choice of MoinMoin or Confluence. Upayavira On Tue, Jun 25, 2013, at 04:12 PM, John Blossom wrote: > Thank you! Glad to have your help. > > BTW, how does one add oneself to be an editor of the wiki? Anyone? > Th

Re: Issue with Eclipse project

2013-06-21 Thread Upayavira
Switching to Maven would give us mvn eclipse:eclipse which would generate these files for us. We could do the same with Ant, but that would no doubt take some work. Upayavira On Thu, Jun 20, 2013, at 09:52 AM, Yuri Z wrote: > They are committed to SVN > > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2013

Re: Demo Server

2013-06-21 Thread Upayavira
When the time comes, I'm prepared to have the necessary conversations to see about a VM at Apache. Upayavira On Fri, Jun 21, 2013, at 11:38 PM, Michael MacFadden wrote: > Yes the point would be to get federation up and running. An providing a > place where we can deploy our new OT

Re: Joining as a Mentor

2013-06-21 Thread Upayavira
Big +1 from me! Upayavira On Fri, Jun 21, 2013, at 05:19 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > Hello Wave'rs, > > as you might know, I am Apache Member and involved in various > projects. I also have mentored a bunch of podlings, like for example > OpenOffice, OGNL and Onami. Cu

Re: Feedback from Incubator Vote

2013-06-21 Thread Upayavira
Or use Ivy to download from the Maven repo. Upayavira On Fri, Jun 21, 2013, at 11:01 AM, Bruno Gonzalez (aka stenyak) wrote: > Presumably we want wiab to be independent from third party download > websites, so the "get-third-party-libs" script should point to our own > mirro

Re: Feedback from Incubator Vote

2013-06-21 Thread Upayavira
to file for an ECCN given we use bouncy-castle. (Is this > only an issue if we include it, if we have it fetched by a separate > task (given the IPMC don't seem to like having the jars shipped with > Wave) is it still a problem?) The ECCN stuff is for 'exporting encryption'. If we release a convenience binary, then as far as the US govt is concerned, we need to do the ECCN stuff. Upayavira

Re: Issue with Eclipse project

2013-06-20 Thread Upayavira
Are te Eclipse classpath and project files committed into SVN, or are they generated by ant? I'd expect there to be an 'ant eclipse' target that generates them, hence no license headers. Upayavira On Wed, Jun 19, 2013, at 08:57 PM, Ali Lown wrote: > I suspect that license comm

Re: A Very Wavey Plan (P2P!)

2013-06-20 Thread Upayavira
Perfect. On Thu, Jun 20, 2013, at 03:57 AM, Michael MacFadden wrote: > Upayavira, > > > We will put a wiki page together. We will also have the discussion here. > That said, I would like to select at least three people who sign up to > shepherd the discussion. Everyone

Re: A Very Wavey Plan (P2P!)

2013-06-19 Thread Upayavira
I'd encourage you to fire up a wiki page and start the discussion here. I suspect due to te nature of the topic, participants will quickly be self selecting. Upayavira On Wed, Jun 19, 2013, at 10:11 PM, Joseph Gentle wrote: > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Michael MacFadden > wr

Re: "Project leads", "earning merit", Commit-then-review

2013-06-19 Thread Upayavira
urrent situation as Incubator podling I would even have a > lesser bar. In the situation of Wave - complex technology driven by > less people with less time - the bar should be very low. But this is > just my opinion. If you agree, work through the mailinglists and > nominate peop

Re: OpenOffice and Wave

2013-06-17 Thread Upayavira
Please do remember, that while in person meetups or synchronous hangouts can be useful, they are also by their nature somewhat exclusive. Therefore, please use them with restraint, and keep as much discussion, and all decisions, here on the list. Thanks! Upayavira On Mon, Jun 17, 2013, at 01:37

Re: OpenOffice and Wave

2013-06-16 Thread Upayavira
Note he's not subscribed - you'll need to cc. Upayavira On Sun, Jun 16, 2013, at 07:51 PM, Michael MacFadden wrote: > Rob, > > I would be interested in continuing this conversation. I have been > working with the top minds in OT for the past few years. I am excit

Re: Adding experiments into the repository

2013-06-14 Thread Upayavira
In which case, Joseph should send in an ICLA, and we can get the account sorted. Thx for spotting Yuri. Upayavira On Fri, Jun 14, 2013, at 11:39 PM, Yuri Z wrote: > By the way Joseph, your name is on the list of committers for the Apache > Wave http://incubator.apache.org/wave/people.html

Re: Adding experiments into the repository

2013-06-14 Thread Upayavira
sitory. If you do send your ICLA as suggested in the above link, feel free to mail me privately and I will track its arrival. Upayavira On Fri, Jun 14, 2013, at 08:49 PM, Joseph Gentle wrote: > Following from Michael MacFadden's suggestion to put related > (hopefully integrated) technolog

Re: A Call To Developers

2013-06-14 Thread Upayavira
ts to the ASF Git, etc - your code still gets into the canonical repo that way. What matters is regarding collaboration - that the community can collaborate in a way that it can control and manage. That's why expecting people to use github would be a no-no, in my view. Upayavira On Fri, Ju

Re: [VOTE RESULT] (was: [VOTE] Release Wave 0.4 based on RC3)

2013-06-13 Thread Upayavira
Ali, I think we should push this through to the incubator general list now. I don't think there's a huge benefit in waiting anymore. Upayavira On Wed, Jun 12, 2013, at 10:14 PM, Ali Lown wrote: > > Still here, still following and helping out in the background when Googley &

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