Re: [techtalk] Almost arrested for using telnet

2001-04-11 Thread Sienca Teng
Mary wrote: > Use of things like telnet, or anything that isn't the web, is > regarded as generally suspicious by people who staff things > like library terminals. And for good reason, I think. I'm amazed they even have floppy drives on the machines. People could bring in infected disks. If a

Re: [techtalk] Almost arrested for using telnet

2001-04-11 Thread Sienca Teng
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:27:29 -0700, I wrote: > And for good reason, I think. Oops, forgot to mention... I'm absolutely not saying that Tami deserved the treatment that she got. It sounds like their rules were vague, their staff were completely lacking people skills and the police(!) did not need

Re: [techtalk] Almost arrested for using telnet

2001-04-11 Thread Telsa Gwynne
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 09:18:26PM -0500 or thereabouts, Kathryn Hogg wrote: > Mary E. Mulderrig said: > > It is offensive to me. It seems homophobic. > > -Mary. > > > > > This is in your recognition of your efforts to be a person that increases > > > the level of faggotry and lameness on this p

[techtalk] frightening, I know... :-)

2001-04-11 Thread Walt
I think that this would be "techtalk" material... If not, I apologize, just holler at me and I'll shuddup. I have volunteered at a local area private school to teach a class one day a week on computers, primarily hardware/OSs/ maintenance stuff. The only other class they have is teaching Microsof

[techtalk] Best programmer's editor for Linux

2001-04-11 Thread Michelle Murrain
Hi folks, First, thanks for the help with registering DNS servers. I think that with this knowledge, I'll be all set. Another question: What, in your opinon, is the best open-source programmer's editor for linux? I know that many will answer emacs, and that's certainly a good possibility - bu

Re: [techtalk] Best programmer's editor for Linux

2001-04-11 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 10:29:54AM -0400, Michelle Murrain wrote: > Another question: What, in your opinon, is the best open-source programmer's > editor for linux? I know that many will answer emacs, and that's certainly a > good possibility - but I'm looking for the following: > > color codin

Re: [techtalk] Best programmer's editor for Linux

2001-04-11 Thread Eva Fenrich
Hi! On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 10:29:54AM -0400, Michelle Murrain wrote: > Another question: What, in your opinon, is the best open-source programmer's > editor for linux? I know that many will answer emacs, and that's certainly a > good possibility - but I'm looking for the following: > > color c

Re: [techtalk] frightening, I know... :-)

2001-04-11 Thread Stephanie Donovan
I would say start with some basic Unix Commands/Concepts, (directories, basic commands, editors, etc.) Once you know some basics, you can apply it to lots of different operating systems. Stephanie On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 09:59:56AM -0400, Walt wrote: > My question is simply this: What concep

Re: [techtalk] Almost arrested for using telnet

2001-04-11 Thread David Merrill
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 02:28:36PM +0100, Telsa Gwynne wrote: > "fag" is used for a cigarette, yes. But I've had so many "um, I mean cig" > experiences talking to people not from here that I try to avoid it. > It's also used as a word for gay people, and is generally not intended > nicely, althoug

[techtalk] Running Apache as Root

2001-04-11 Thread Seageraves Caren
Thank you for your answers. I think I was not clear enough in my question. I not only start Apache as root, but I run it in such as way that the little httpd processes that are generally listed as belonging to nobody are also running as root. This is an unusual way to run Apache and requires tha

[techtalk] OT: This takes the cake

2001-04-11 Thread Kath
Some of you know I do work on my school's website.   Yesterday, the web server went down and we had no clue why.  So I figured Donald (kid I work with) was playing with the routes and messed them up and we'd have to fix them next Wed. when school starts again.   Out of boredom, I take a litt

Re: [techtalk] why debian essay..

2001-04-11 Thread Kath
Good essay. But I think the real problem with Debian becoming a real mainstream and widely recognized distribution is that it is harder to get many peripherals working on it, while Mandrake, Red Hat and Corel make it super easy. Mainly what I'm talking about is USB mouse support and SB Live (emu

Re: [techtalk] frightening, I know... :-)

2001-04-11 Thread Esther
Hi, > My question is simply this: What concepts/ > ideas would you all consider to be valuable > and important to newbie computer-users? > What aspects of computer use would > you aim to teach? When it comes down to hardware and OSs, the most valuable thing I learned is to get a sense of the dif

Re: [techtalk] frightening, I know... :-)

2001-04-11 Thread Walt
Esther wrote: >It might be fun to let them eventually build their own computer >from scratch and get it to run (having to conquer all kinds of >weird stuff, including bios-features). Oh, we'll definitely be building computers from scratch. The school doesn't have many resources of its own, most

Re: [techtalk] Best programmer's editor for Linux

2001-04-11 Thread jenn
Michelle Murrain wrote: > color coding, particularly for perl, java and html/xml (and even SQL, if > possible) > paren checking, tag checking > easy access to line numbers and line number jumping > > I might be asking for too much in one editor - I could use an html/xml editor > separate fro

Re: [techtalk] frightening, I know... :-)

2001-04-11 Thread jenn
Walt wrote: > My question is simply this: What concepts/ > ideas would you all consider to be valuable > and important to newbie computer-users? > What aspects of computer use would > you aim to teach? Teach them not to be scared of the things. Teach them that computers are even more stupid tha

Re: [techtalk] why debian essay..

2001-04-11 Thread Gordon Hart
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 11:25:04AM -0400, Kath wrote: > Good essay. > > But I think the real problem with Debian becoming a real mainstream and > widely recognized distribution is that it is harder to get many peripherals > working on it, while Mandrake, Red Hat and Corel make it super easy. It

Re: [techtalk] Best programmer's editor for Linux

2001-04-11 Thread Curious
> Another question: What, in your opinon, is the best open-source programmer's > editor for linux? I know that many will answer emacs, and that's certainly a > good possibility - but I'm looking for the following: > > color coding, particularly for perl, java and html/xml (and even SQL, if > p

Re: [techtalk] Best programmer's editor for Linux

2001-04-11 Thread Dennis Wheeler
An IDE (Integrated Development Environment) is like MS Office. One can have separate word processing, spreadsheet. presentation, and e-mail client applications -- but 'office suites' integrate them all together, so you can put spreadsheets in your memos and such. (not trying to sell Office or any

[techtalk] Would an iMAC make a good apache sever?

2001-04-11 Thread Davida Schiff
Title: Would an iMAC make a good apache sever? Hi, We have an iMAC gathering dust, I was wondering if anyone tried to run apache on a MAC using PPC 2000. All/any help/information would be appreciated. Thanks, Davida

Re: [techtalk] why debian essay..

2001-04-11 Thread Curious
> > trying to get the aforementioned peripherals (USB mouse and SB Live) to > > work. I finally just gave up on it and decided to use Mandrake as a > > desktop. > > I stripped a mandrake system down (as far as I could) to bare bones > and began to tailor it to what I needed.. When the next relea

Re: [techtalk] Almost arrested for using telnet

2001-04-11 Thread wny-tc
Hi Tami. Keith here in the Depths of the Great Bergen Swamps. Being able to use a floppy in a public-access computer would be all but impossible up here in my neighborhood. The local county library system requires that one buy a "clean" floppy from the desk to download anything to disk. The pr

Re: [techtalk] Almost arrested for using telnet

2001-04-11 Thread Telsa Gwynne
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 02:36:02PM +1000 or thereabouts, Mary Gardiner wrote: > On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 11:14:34AM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Tami Friedman wrote: > > > For now, I am curious if anyone > > > can give me a good reason why a sysadmin would not allow telnet to > >

Re: [techtalk] Running Apache as Root

2001-04-11 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:52:43 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >Thank you for your answers. I think I was not clear >enough in my question. I not only start Apache as >root, but I run it in such as way that the little >httpd processes that are generally listed as belonging >to nobody are also running as r

Re: [techtalk] Almost arrested for using telnet

2001-04-11 Thread A Kozic
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 David Merrill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > FYI, at least here in the States, `fag' isn't considered good usage > even in gay circles. Some folks use `queer' because they are happy to > identify as being outside the mainstream and/or a bit odd, but nobody > likes `fag'. Hmm...

Re: [techtalk] why debian essay..

2001-04-11 Thread FeO
> But I think the real problem with Debian becoming a real mainstream and > widely recognized distribution is that it is harder to get many peripherals > working on it, while Mandrake, Red Hat and Corel make it super easy. >It would be great to see some things become easier but I hope Debian

Re: [techtalk] Almost arrested for using telnet

2001-04-11 Thread Rachel Andrew
> >If I were running a public internet access place, users would not >have install permissions and there wouldn't be floppy drives. >People could download all you want, but all downloads would be >masked to no-execute and saved to a separate place. Then when >you're done, you can bring your flo

Re: [techtalk] Almost arrested for using telnet

2001-04-11 Thread Vinnie
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, A Kozic wrote: > But the use in question was using `faggotry' as a synonym for lameness, > which I could say is offensive to the disabled folks, but I'm not disabled > or offended, so I won't. /me wanders out of his lair. Okay, I will. Words are just that -- it's meanings

Re: [techtalk] OT: This takes the cake

2001-04-11 Thread Vinnie
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Kath wrote: > They are putting new windows in the area where the T1 line enters our > school building. They UNHOOKED the T1 line and left it dangling from > a nearby telephone pole. Actually I surely hope it was unhooked and > not cut. These construction workers have cut

Re: [techtalk] frightening, I know... :-)

2001-04-11 Thread Raven, in Sumerian haze
Heya -- > My question is simply this: What concepts/ideas would you all consider > to be valuable and important to newbie computer-users? What aspects of > computer use would you aim to teach? There are two main things that aren't OS-dependent that you can instill in your students. One:

Re: [techtalk] OT: This takes the cake

2001-04-11 Thread Raven, in Sumerian haze
Heya -- Quoth Kath: > They UNHOOKED the T1 line and left it dangling from a nearby telephone > pole. Actually I surely hope it was unhooked and not cut. This happens all the time. Construction crews will routinely down data lines through "backhoe engineering". Whoever is responsible for

RE: [techtalk] OT: This takes the cake

2001-04-11 Thread Davida Schiff
This also happened to a dot com I worked for. Our T1 & phone system was located in our server room. When our phone system was upgraded the technician pulled the T1 out. I was out to lunch when this happened. When I came back to work it was total chaos. -Original Message-From: Kat

Re: [techtalk] Almost arrested for using telnet

2001-04-11 Thread Kathryn Hogg
A Kozic said: > And I've never heard a term for gay transexual men other than > `transfags' (or `gay transexual men', but that is a mouthful. No double > entendre intended...). It all depends on the audience and the intent of > the speaker I'm not sure what you mean by gay transsexual men. D

Re: [techtalk] why debian essay..

2001-04-11 Thread Curious
I used to use storm as my starting point (ie.. use the storm cd to install a basic debian then upgrade to real debian :) ... it's not that bad.. there is news of bankruptcy... sighs http://slashdot.org/articles/01/01/27/1539218_F.shtml if your looking for debian with a pretty installer and more

Re: [techtalk] OT: This takes the cake

2001-04-11 Thread Charlotte
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 02:16:51PM -0700, Raven, in Sumerian haze wrote: > This happens all the time. Construction crews will routinely down > data lines through "backhoe engineering". Whoever is responsible for > the T1 should call the telco that you provisioned it through, give them > th

Re: [techtalk] OT: This takes the cake

2001-04-11 Thread Erin Clarke
I feel compelled to contribute anecdotally.. On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 11:48:02AM -0400, Kath wrote: > They are putting new windows in the area where the T1 line > enters our school building. They UNHOOKED the T1 line and > left it dangling from a nearby telephone pole. Actually I > surely hop

Re: [techtalk] Best programmer's editor for Linux

2001-04-11 Thread Catie Flick
On 11 Apr, Michelle Murrain wrote: > color coding, particularly for perl, java and html/xml (and even SQL, if > possible) > paren checking, tag checking > easy access to line numbers and line number jumping > > I might be asking for too much in one editor - I could use an html/xml editor > se

Re: [techtalk] Best programmer's editor for Linux

2001-04-11 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 09:28:15AM +1000, Catie Flick wrote: > As to JBuilder, I've heard it has annoying "features" such as saving > .java files with all lower case letters (if you have a class within a > file like that with a capital letter, you get compile errors) and a few > other niggly bits.

Re: [techtalk] Almost arrested for using telnet

2001-04-11 Thread Julie
From: David Merrill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > FYI, at least here in the States, `fag' isn't considered good usage > even in gay circles. Some folks use `queer' because they are happy to > identify as being outside the mainstream and/or a bit odd, but nobody > likes `fag'. The word does indeed come fro

Re: [techtalk] Almost arrested for using telnet

2001-04-11 Thread Rick Scott
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 07:05:09PM +0100, Telsa Gwynne wrote: > Watching someone in a terminal room. Stuck in floppy. Started machine. > It went through virus-check. "Beep! This has a virus!" "Oh no!" cried > the student. "A virus on the computer!" He whipped his floppy out... > > ...and stuck it

[techtalk] Redhat Linux 7 Crashes

2001-04-11 Thread Lothan
I'm at my wits end trying to figure out a bizarre problem with Redhat 7 and hope someone can offer some guidance. I originally installed Redhat 7 from scratch (reformatting the entire drive with pure Linux partitions) and it ran for about three months pretty much continuously without any problems.

Re: [techtalk] Almost arrested for using telnet(civility)

2001-04-11 Thread Steve Kudlak
Vinnie wrote: > On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, A Kozic wrote: > > > But the use in question was using `faggotry' as a synonym for lameness, > > which I could say is offensive to the disabled folks, but I'm not disabled > > or offended, so I won't. > > /me wanders out of his lair. > > Okay, I will. Words