[sage-devel] Re: pyglet for 3D graphics

2007-12-10 Thread Ondrej Certik
Yep. As I said, either use a newer version of sympy, or install pyglet directly. I don't want to upgrade sympy in sage yet, until my patch gets accepted, so that no more problems are introduced. But I'll look why pyglet isn't working from the notebook. As to opengl, I am not sure it works out of t

[sage-devel] Re: bug in 2.8.15 (somewhere in sage.calculus?)

2007-12-10 Thread William Stein
On Dec 10, 2007 5:29 PM, Jonathan Bober <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all. I just opened ticket #1457 (see below) > > http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/1457 > > The following is hopefully pretty self explanatory: I fixed this bug and posted a patch to the above trac ticket. -- Wil

[sage-devel] Re: hard-coding symlink mistakes

2007-12-10 Thread Michael Brickenstein
Hi! Just as background: Nearly every path in Singular is adjustable by environment variables. See: kernel/feResource.cc Best regards, Michael On 10 Dez., 15:57, Martin Albrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > SINGULAR (very serious): > >Several Singular-related files in SAGE_ROOT/local/bin/ h

[sage-devel] Sage-2.9.alpha5 released

2007-12-10 Thread mabshoff
Hello, This is alpha5 and while it should compile some doctests are seriously *BROKEN*. The failures are related to printing and hashing issues caused by #1296. The main purpose of this release is to have a snapshot for the final merge stretch: * PolyBoRi: merge BooleanRing and other missing bi

[sage-devel] Re: pyglet for 3D graphics

2007-12-10 Thread Carl Witty
> > On Dec 10, 2:03 pm, "David Joyner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/mnt/drive_hda1/sagefiles/sage-2.8.13.alpha1$ python > > > Python 2.5.1 (r251:54863, Nov 26 2007, 13:44:20) > > > [GCC 4.1.3 20070929 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.1.2-16ubuntu2)] on linux2 > > > Type "help", "copyr

[sage-devel] another appearance of that article...

2007-12-10 Thread William Stein
Hi, Here's another news thing about sage: http://www.linuxelectrons.com/news/application/15466/open-source-mathematical-application-debuts It's basically just a copy of the UW story. -- William -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org -

[sage-devel] Re: pyglet for 3D graphics

2007-12-10 Thread Justin C. Walker
On Dec 10, 2007, at 18:38 , Carl Witty wrote: > > On Dec 10, 3:17 pm, "Justin C. Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> FWIW, it appears that 'sage -sh' isn't doing the job I think it >> should: [snip] > Maybe you have a .bashrc, .zshrc, or similar file that explicitly sets > $PATH? Good call.

[sage-devel] Re: pyglet for 3D graphics

2007-12-10 Thread Robert Bradshaw
I wasn't able to get this to work (OS X 10.4) but the pictures on the pyglet site look very nice. On Dec 10, 2007, at 1:58 PM, William Stein wrote: > On Dec 10, 2007 1:39 PM, David Joyner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> The plots look really nice. Thanks for posting this. >> Since pyglet depe

[sage-devel] Re: pyglet for 3D graphics

2007-12-10 Thread David Joyner
On Dec 10, 2007 9:32 PM, Carl Witty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 10, 2:03 pm, "David Joyner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/mnt/drive_hda1/sagefiles/sage-2.8.13.alpha1$ python > > Python 2.5.1 (r251:54863, Nov 26 2007, 13:44:20) > > [GCC 4.1.3 20070929 (prerelease) (Ubu

[sage-devel] Re: pyglet for 3D graphics

2007-12-10 Thread Carl Witty
On Dec 10, 3:17 pm, "Justin C. Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > FWIW, it appears that 'sage -sh' isn't doing the job I think it should: > > $ echo $PATH > .:/usr/texbin:/Users/justin/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin: ... > > $ ./sage -sh > Starting subshell with Sage environment variables set: > $ echo

[sage-devel] Re: pyglet for 3D graphics

2007-12-10 Thread Carl Witty
On Dec 10, 2:03 pm, "David Joyner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/mnt/drive_hda1/sagefiles/sage-2.8.13.alpha1$ python > Python 2.5.1 (r251:54863, Nov 26 2007, 13:44:20) > [GCC 4.1.3 20070929 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.1.2-16ubuntu2)] on linux2 > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or

[sage-devel] Re: pyglet for 3D graphics

2007-12-10 Thread Carl Witty
On Dec 10, 2:35 pm, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I think this pythonw thing works for me only because I'm on osx and there is a > /usr/bin/pythonw, which means "run python with a gui", so it is > running a system-wide > python. However, because I did "sage -sh", I'm still

[sage-devel] Re: pyglet for 3D graphics

2007-12-10 Thread Carl Witty
On Dec 10, 1:39 pm, "David Joyner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The plots look really nice. Thanks for posting this. > Since pyglet depends on it, I'm curious what people think of opengl. I'm not sure what you're asking. Should we use OpenGL? Definitely. In fact, we don't have much choice (at l

[sage-devel] Re: bug in 2.8.15 (somewhere in sage.calculus?)

2007-12-10 Thread David Joyner
On Dec 10, 2007 8:29 PM, Jonathan Bober <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all. I just opened ticket #1457 (see below) > > http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/1457 > > The following is hopefully pretty self explanatory: > > --- > > The following took place on a

[sage-devel] bug in 2.8.15 (somewhere in sage.calculus?)

2007-12-10 Thread Jonathan Bober
Hi all. I just opened ticket #1457 (see below) http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/1457 The following is hopefully pretty self explanatory: --- The following took place on an Intel Core Duo (32 bit) running Ubuntu 7.10. Hopefully the cause is obvious for s

[sage-devel] Re: Vega

2007-12-10 Thread mabshoff
On Dec 11, 12:56 am, David Vevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 11, 12:48 am, David Vevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 10, 9:27 pm, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > dortmund.de> wrote: > > > > Getting the source code and clarifying the license is probably the next > > > > step.

[sage-devel] Re: latest R spkg

2007-12-10 Thread mhampton
The package installed fine on my intel OS X (10.4) machine, but I haven't gotten the graphics to work on either of my platforms. When you say, (2) If you X devel headers installed, it *will* build graphics support in. do just mean installing X11 for OS X from the installation CD? Or is there

[sage-devel] Re: Vega

2007-12-10 Thread David Vevar
On Dec 11, 12:48 am, David Vevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 10, 9:27 pm, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > dortmund.de> wrote: > > > Getting the source code and clarifying the license is probably the next > > > step. The closest I can find to a license while poking around a bit is > > >

[sage-devel] Re: Vega

2007-12-10 Thread David Vevar
On Dec 10, 9:27 pm, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED] dortmund.de> wrote: > > Getting the source code and clarifying the license is probably the next > > step. The closest I can find to a license while poking around a bit is > > the statement in v5init.m: > > Yep, that is the most important step. Witho

[sage-devel] Re: Vega

2007-12-10 Thread David Vevar
On Dec 10, 8:16 pm, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Getting the source code and clarifying the license is probably the next > step. The closest I can find to a license while poking around a bit is > the statement in v5init.m: > > (*

[sage-devel] Re: pyglet for 3D graphics

2007-12-10 Thread Jason Grout
Jason Grout wrote: > Ondrej Certik wrote: >> On Dec 10, 2007 11:03 PM, David Joyner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On Dec 10, 2007 4:58 PM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Dec 10, 2007 1:39 PM, David Joyner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The plots look really nice. Thanks for po

[sage-devel] Re: pyglet for 3D graphics

2007-12-10 Thread Justin C. Walker
On Dec 10, 2007, at 14:35 , William Stein wrote: > > Hi, > > I think this pythonw thing works for me only because I'm on osx and > there is a > /usr/bin/pythonw, which means "run python with a gui", so it is > running a system-wide > python. However, because I did "sage -sh", I'm still getti

[sage-devel] Re: notebook() does not work on MacOS 10.4 with version 2.8.15

2007-12-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks that fixed it. -john On Dec 10, 2:50 pm, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 10, 2007 2:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > I hope this is the right place to summit a bug report, I could not > > find a link on the sage web page. > > > I ju

[sage-devel] Re: notebook() does not work on MacOS 10.4 with version 2.8.15

2007-12-10 Thread William Stein
On Dec 10, 2007 2:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > I hope this is the right place to summit a bug report, I could not > find a link on the sage web page. > > I just downloaded version 2.8.15 and tried to run notebook() and dyld > is unable to load libintl.3.dylib. I d

[sage-devel] Re: pyglet for 3D graphics

2007-12-10 Thread William Stein
Hi, I think this pythonw thing works for me only because I'm on osx and there is a /usr/bin/pythonw, which means "run python with a gui", so it is running a system-wide python. However, because I did "sage -sh", I'm still getting the packages installed into sage, e.g., pyglet and sympy. So fol

[sage-devel] Re: Sage-2.9.alpha4 released

2007-12-10 Thread Rishikesh
On mac os x, there were some very small errors. sage -t devel/sage-main/sage/numerical/optimize.py ** File "optimize.py", line 93: sage: find_maximum_on_interval(f, 0,5) Expected: (0.561096338191, 0.860333589015) Got:

[sage-devel] notebook() does not work on MacOS 10.4 with version 2.8.15

2007-12-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi, I hope this is the right place to summit a bug report, I could not find a link on the sage web page. I just downloaded version 2.8.15 and tried to run notebook() and dyld is unable to load libintl.3.dylib. I don't have a libintl.3.dylib in / usr/local/lib and I didn't find it in $SAGE_ROOT/l

[sage-devel] Re: pyglet for 3D graphics

2007-12-10 Thread Jason Grout
Ondrej Certik wrote: > On Dec 10, 2007 11:03 PM, David Joyner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Dec 10, 2007 4:58 PM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On Dec 10, 2007 1:39 PM, David Joyner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The plots look really nice. Thanks for posting this. Since py

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: SAGE

2007-12-10 Thread Jaap Spies
Ondrej Certik wrote: > My favourite is: > > Talk is cheap, show me the code. > Chalk is cheap, but more of this day: use the whiteboard and show me what you mean by "30 years horizon" Jaap --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@

[sage-devel] Re: pyglet for 3D graphics

2007-12-10 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Dec 10, 2007 11:03 PM, David Joyner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 10, 2007 4:58 PM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Dec 10, 2007 1:39 PM, David Joyner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > The plots look really nice. Thanks for posting this. > > > Since pyglet depen

[sage-devel] Re: pyglet for 3D graphics

2007-12-10 Thread William Stein
just to emphasize - pyglet is already in every copy of sage. - William (Sent from my iPhone.) On Dec 10, 2007, at 1:58 PM, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 10, 2007 1:39 PM, David Joyner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> The plots look really nice. Thanks for posting this. >

[sage-devel] Re: pyglet for 3D graphics

2007-12-10 Thread David Joyner
On Dec 10, 2007 4:58 PM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 10, 2007 1:39 PM, David Joyner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > The plots look really nice. Thanks for posting this. > > Since pyglet depends on it, I'm curious what people think of opengl. > > Try this in Sage right no

[sage-devel] Re: pyglet for 3D graphics

2007-12-10 Thread William Stein
On Dec 10, 2007 1:39 PM, David Joyner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The plots look really nice. Thanks for posting this. > Since pyglet depends on it, I'm curious what people think of opengl. Try this in Sage right now. It might work for you. (1) From the command line, type sage -sh (2)

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: SAGE

2007-12-10 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Dec 10, 2007 11:19 PM, root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Re-reading Tim's post I think you're right, and that I misunderstood > >what Tim was writing. I certainly agree that it's important to do the > >"boring" stuff, though I think the best strategy is to find people for whom > >the boring

[sage-devel] Re: more SAGE publicity [new wiki items]

2007-12-10 Thread William Stein
On Dec 10, 2007 1:33 PM, David Joyner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I volunteer, but if someone else wants to do it, I won't be disappointed! Thanks! > > > > > I have added now > http://wiki.sagemath.org/SAGE_in_the_News Can you reverse the order? It's much much better for newer items to be at

[sage-devel] Re: pyglet for 3D graphics

2007-12-10 Thread David Joyner
The plots look really nice. Thanks for posting this. Since pyglet depends on it, I'm curious what people think of opengl. On Dec 10, 2007 4:34 PM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > just letting you know about one great project -- pyglet: > > http://pyglet.org/ > > we use it fo

[sage-devel] pyglet for 3D graphics

2007-12-10 Thread Ondrej Certik
Hi, just letting you know about one great project -- pyglet: http://pyglet.org/ we use it for 3D graphics in SymPy, it is a pure python library, that uses ctypes for binding to directx on win, opengl on linux and something in mac os x. I am not an expert in 3D, I just need something that just w

[sage-devel] Re: more SAGE publicity [new wiki items]

2007-12-10 Thread David Joyner
On Dec 7, 2007 4:50 PM, David Joyner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 7, 2007 4:02 PM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Dec 7, 2007 12:58 PM, John Cremona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 07/12/2007, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On D

[sage-devel] Re: Sage-2.9.alpha4 released

2007-12-10 Thread mabshoff
On Dec 10, 10:09 pm, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED] dortmund.de> wrote: > On Dec 10, 9:55 pm, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > dortmund.de> wrote: > > On Dec 10, 6:32 pm, Burcin Erocal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:06:06 -0800 (PST) > > > > mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: blog and rss

2007-12-10 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Dec 10, 2007 9:53 PM, Bobby Moretti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think there are two steps: > > 1) start a blog - wordpress is frickin' easy to set up. For that, you'd go to > > http://wordpress.org/download/ > > - grab the software, untar, set up apache to serve the directory (so > perhaps

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: SAGE

2007-12-10 Thread root
>Re-reading Tim's post I think you're right, and that I misunderstood >what Tim was writing. I certainly agree that it's important to do the >"boring" stuff, though I think the best strategy is to find people for whom >the boring things are NOT boring, e.g., you cite doing releases as >boring, bu

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: SAGE

2007-12-10 Thread Stephen Forrest
Hi Tim, On Dec 10, 2007 3:39 PM, root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As a long term (since 1997) open source developer I have to make the > comment that you have a bit of a "corporate bias" when you suggest > "relinquishing control of logistics to non-experts". > > There are a lot of tasks that m

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: blog and rss

2007-12-10 Thread David Joyner
On Dec 10, 2007 4:07 PM, Yi Qiang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would say that unless you are really serious about blogging, using > hosted blogging is even easier. Try blogspot > (http://www.blogspot.com). Agreed. It's owned by google, so from a gmail account you can just click "more" in the

[sage-devel] Re: Sage-2.9.alpha4 released

2007-12-10 Thread mabshoff
On Dec 10, 9:55 pm, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED] dortmund.de> wrote: > On Dec 10, 6:32 pm, Burcin Erocal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:06:06 -0800 (PST) > > > mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > The increase in size is due to R as well as PolyBoRi. We will

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: blog and rss

2007-12-10 Thread Yi Qiang
I would say that unless you are really serious about blogging, using hosted blogging is even easier. Try blogspot (http://www.blogspot.com). As for setting up planet.sagemath.org, I tried to set it up on sage.math.washington.edu last night but ran into this problem: In [1]: import bsddb

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: SAGE

2007-12-10 Thread Ondrej Certik
> Re-reading Tim's post I think you're right, and that I misunderstood > what Tim was writing. I certainly agree that it's important to do the > "boring" stuff, though I think the best strategy is to find people for whom > the boring things are NOT boring, e.g., you cite doing releases as > borin

[sage-devel] Re: Sage-2.9.alpha4 released

2007-12-10 Thread mabshoff
On Dec 10, 6:32 pm, Burcin Erocal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:06:06 -0800 (PST) > > mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > The increase in size is due to R as well as PolyBoRi. We will > > work on decreasing the size of both packages. Burcin: can you > > please po

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: blog and rss

2007-12-10 Thread Bobby Moretti
I think there are two steps: 1) start a blog - wordpress is frickin' easy to set up. For that, you'd go to http://wordpress.org/download/ - grab the software, untar, set up apache to serve the directory (so perhaps you would want something like http://wstein.org/blog) - pt-get install mysql an

[sage-devel] Re: tgdaily: "It is for this reason I don't really see much validity in Stein's first point."

2007-12-10 Thread Ondrej Certik
> It is an argument that is *only* for research pure mathematicians. For > them it actually is _very_ important. For everybody else the whole > idea of mathematical proof is somewhat irrelevant, and that's fine > with me (I understand it -- I do both pure and applied math, and > enjoy both and s

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: SAGE

2007-12-10 Thread Jaap Spies
William Stein wrote: > On Dec 10, 2007 12:39 PM, root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Steve, >> See *that* is exactly the point. When I talked with one of the Maple founders about why Maple started in the 1980's, it was precisely because the mathematicians working on the softwa

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: SAGE

2007-12-10 Thread William Stein
On Dec 10, 2007 12:12 PM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -1 > > > > Thanks for your perspective. However, I tend to disagree. > > > > The whole Sage development model is built on cooperation > > and to a huge extent that means trusting other people to help out, > > deciding on wha

[sage-devel] Re: Vega

2007-12-10 Thread mabshoff
On Dec 10, 8:16 pm, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (replying to all since I'm not sure if everyone is subscribed to sage-devel) > > > > David Vevar wrote: > > Dear all, Hello, > > > After consulting with professors Stein and Pisanski I'm taking this > > opportunity to draw your attenti

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: blog and rss

2007-12-10 Thread William Stein
On Dec 10, 2007 12:15 PM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 10, 2007 8:07 PM, Bobby Moretti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Very cool. Now I just need to find time to blog! :) > > And that's exactly the point of the planet, you don't have to find > time to blog regularly. If t

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: blog and rss

2007-12-10 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Dec 10, 2007 8:07 PM, Bobby Moretti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Very cool. Now I just need to find time to blog! :) And that's exactly the point of the planet, you don't have to find time to blog regularly. If there are enough people on it, and if the atmosphere is that they mark by "sage"

[sage-devel] Re: tgdaily: "It is for this reason I don't really see much validity in Stein's first point."

2007-12-10 Thread Jaap Spies
Ondrej Certik wrote: >> As one advances through graduate school and beyond, computers become an >> indispensable part and parcel of learning and research. Undergraduate >> students are taught the theory of the subject "by doing everything >> long-hand" and the computer is often not used as a tool

[sage-devel] Re: Vega

2007-12-10 Thread Jason Grout
(replying to all since I'm not sure if everyone is subscribed to sage-devel) David Vevar wrote: > Dear all, > > After consulting with professors Stein and Pisanski I'm taking this > opportunity to draw your attention to project Vega (http://vega.ijp.si/ > Htmldoc/vinfo.htm). > > Vega is a proje

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: SAGE

2007-12-10 Thread Ondrej Certik
> -1 > > Thanks for your perspective. However, I tend to disagree. > > The whole Sage development model is built on cooperation > and to a huge extent that means trusting other people to help out, > deciding on what people are good at and encouraging them > to do just that, etc. When somebody >

[sage-devel] Re: tgdaily: "It is for this reason I don't really see much validity in Stein's first point."

2007-12-10 Thread Tim Lahey
On 12/10/07, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Disclaimer: I am not a mathematician, I am only a theoretical physics > graduate student. > > I think the author is actually right about this. I always found this > argument about "seeing inside the code to beleive a mathematical > proof"

[sage-devel] Re: tgdaily: "It is for this reason I don't really see much validity in Stein's first point."

2007-12-10 Thread William Stein
On Dec 10, 2007 11:37 AM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > As one advances through graduate school and beyond, computers become an > > indispensable part and parcel of learning and research. Undergraduate > > students are taught the theory of the subject "by doing everything > > long

[sage-devel] Re: tgdaily: "It is for this reason I don't really see much validity in Stein's first point."

2007-12-10 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Dec 10, 2007 8:37 PM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As one advances through graduate school and beyond, computers become an > > indispensable part and parcel of learning and research. Undergraduate > > students are taught the theory of the subject "by doing everything > > long-ha

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: SAGE

2007-12-10 Thread William Stein
On Dec 10, 2007 12:39 PM, root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Steve, > > >> See *that* is exactly the point. When I talked with one of the Maple > >> founders > >> about why Maple started in the 1980's, it was precisely because the > >> mathematicians working on the software didn't want to dupli

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: sourceforge page

2007-12-10 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Dec 10, 2007, at 11:15 AM, Jaap Spies wrote: > William Stein wrote: >> On Dec 10, 2007 10:39 AM, Jaap Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> William Stein wrote: Jaap and Timothy, Do either of you remember anything about the sourceforge sage project list password? Ignore this if you h

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: SAGE

2007-12-10 Thread William Stein
On Dec 10, 2007 10:26 AM, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > William Stein wrote: > > On Dec 10, 2007 10:17 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> I'm guessing he wants something that looks professionally labeled and > >>> maybe shrink-wrapped. What do you think? > >>> > >>> I could act

[sage-devel] Re: tgdaily: "It is for this reason I don't really see much validity in Stein's first point."

2007-12-10 Thread Ondrej Certik
> As one advances through graduate school and beyond, computers become an > indispensable part and parcel of learning and research. Undergraduate > students are taught the theory of the subject "by doing everything > long-hand" and the computer is often not used as a tool to further > learning. It

[sage-devel] Re: Using Sage in Commercial Setting

2007-12-10 Thread William Stein
On Dec 10, 2007 11:31 AM, wrote > hello, prof. stein. congratulations on the tool so many of us have been > waiting for. may it flourish beyond expectations. > Thanks! > i work as an actuary and software developer at an employee benefits > consulting firm. i teach java, my undergrad degrees ar

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: SAGE

2007-12-10 Thread root
Steve, >> See *that* is exactly the point. When I talked with one of the Maple >> founders >> about why Maple started in the 1980's, it was precisely because the >> mathematicians working on the software didn't want to duplicate tapes and >> mail them around the country. We're no different.

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: SAGE

2007-12-10 Thread Jason Grout
William Stein wrote: > On Dec 10, 2007 10:17 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I'm guessing he wants something that looks professionally labeled and >>> maybe shrink-wrapped. What do you think? >>> >>> I could actually have some DVD's professionally printed up (it cost < >>> $5/per) >>> and s

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: sourceforge page

2007-12-10 Thread Jaap Spies
William Stein wrote: > On Dec 10, 2007 10:39 AM, Jaap Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> William Stein wrote: >>> Jaap and Timothy, Do either of you remember anything about the >>> sourceforge sage project list password? Ignore this if you have >>> nothing to do with them. >>> >>> >> I just wond

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: sourceforge page

2007-12-10 Thread Jaap Spies
William Stein wrote: > On Dec 10, 2007 10:39 AM, Jaap Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> William Stein wrote: >>> Jaap and Timothy, Do either of you remember anything about the >>> sourceforge sage project list password? Ignore this if you have >>> nothing to do with them. >>> >>> >> I just wond

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: sourceforge page

2007-12-10 Thread Jaap Spies
William Stein wrote: > On Dec 10, 2007 10:39 AM, Jaap Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> William Stein wrote: >>> Jaap and Timothy, Do either of you remember anything about the >>> sourceforge sage project list password? Ignore this if you have >>> nothing to do with them. >>> >>> >> I just wond

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: SAGE

2007-12-10 Thread William Stein
On Dec 10, 2007 11:07 AM, Stephen Forrest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 10, 2007 1:24 PM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > See *that* is exactly the point. When I talked with one of the Maple > > founders > > about why Maple started in the 1980's, it was precisely because t

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: blog and rss

2007-12-10 Thread Bobby Moretti
Very cool. Now I just need to find time to blog! :) On Dec 10, 2007 10:51 AM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 9, 2007 10:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi bobby, What didier said is right. > > I know that blogs based on wordpress allow this - I don

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: SAGE

2007-12-10 Thread Stephen Forrest
On Dec 10, 2007 1:24 PM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > See *that* is exactly the point. When I talked with one of the Maple founders > about why Maple started in the 1980's, it was precisely because the > mathematicians working on the software didn't want to duplicate tapes and > ma

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: sourceforge page

2007-12-10 Thread William Stein
On Dec 10, 2007 10:39 AM, Jaap Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > William Stein wrote: > > Jaap and Timothy, Do either of you remember anything about the > > sourceforge sage project list password? Ignore this if you have > > nothing to do with them. > > > > > > I just wondered this morning (loca

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: blog and rss

2007-12-10 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Dec 9, 2007 10:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi bobby, What didier said is right. > I know that blogs based on wordpress allow this - I don't have much > experience in other platform to tell about them (but my guess is - it > will be possible). Yes, I use it regularly

[sage-devel] Re: Experimental spkg for the Enthought Tools Suite

2007-12-10 Thread Jaap Spies
Jaap Spies wrote: >> Dependencies for Sage: >> > >> - http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/setuptools Setuptools >> ez_install.py >> - http://www.wxpython.org wxPython-2.6.x or higher for the UI (Traits, >> !PyFace, Envisage). >> - http://www.swig.org SWIG version 1.3.24 or higher (fo

[sage-devel] Re: Sage-2.9.alpha4 released

2007-12-10 Thread Justin C. Walker
On Dec 10, 2007, at 02:06 , mabshoff wrote: > > Hello, > > Alpha2 and Alpha3 never made it to the public due to some > build issues and the slashdotting of sage.math. Alpha4 has > many new goodies: > > * R 2.6.1 > * PolyBoRi (missing the integration patch) > * FLINT 1.02 > > It passes make ch

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: SAGE

2007-12-10 Thread William Stein
On Dec 10, 2007 10:17 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm guessing he wants something that looks professionally labeled and > > maybe shrink-wrapped. What do you think? > > > > I could actually have some DVD's professionally printed up (it cost < > > $5/per) > > and shrink wrapped with pr

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: SAGE

2007-12-10 Thread boothby
> I'm guessing he wants something that looks professionally labeled and > maybe shrink-wrapped. What do you think? > > I could actually have some DVD's professionally printed up (it cost < $5/per) > and shrink wrapped with printouts of the tutorial, and "sell" the combination > for $19.99/each..

[sage-devel] Vega

2007-12-10 Thread David Vevar
Dear all, After consulting with professors Stein and Pisanski I'm taking this opportunity to draw your attention to project Vega (http://vega.ijp.si/ Htmldoc/vinfo.htm). Vega is a project lead by prof. Pisanski at Institute for Mathematics, Physics and Mechanics (IMFM: http://www.ijp.si/) in Lju

[sage-devel] Re: Sage-2.9.alpha4 released

2007-12-10 Thread Burcin Erocal
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:06:06 -0800 (PST) mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The increase in size is due to R as well as PolyBoRi. We will > work on decreasing the size of both packages. Burcin: can you > please post a bundle that applies against alpha4? I would like > to merge it during the a

[sage-devel] Re: Sage-2.9.alpha4 released

2007-12-10 Thread Justin C. Walker
On Dec 10, 2007, at 08:43 , mabshoff wrote: > On Dec 10, 5:13 pm, Rishikesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Dec 10, 10:34 am, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > >> make[2]: vfork: Resource temporarily unavailable >> gcc -std=c99 -I/Volumes/Panther/sage/sage-2.9.alpha4/local/ >

[sage-devel] Re: Adding JSON capabilities to SAGE

2007-12-10 Thread William Stein
On Dec 10, 2007 8:50 AM, Ted Kosan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have been experimenting with techniques for allowing Java applets to > communicate with the SAGE server and the technique I like the best so > far is to use JSON objects (http://json.org). I am currently using > simpleJSON (http:

[sage-devel] Re: Sage-2.9.alpha4 released

2007-12-10 Thread William Stein
On Dec 10, 2007 8:43 AM, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 10, 5:13 pm, Rishikesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 10, 10:34 am, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 10, 2007 2:06 AM, mabshoff > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hello, >

[sage-devel] Adding JSON capabilities to SAGE

2007-12-10 Thread Ted Kosan
I have been experimenting with techniques for allowing Java applets to communicate with the SAGE server and the technique I like the best so far is to use JSON objects (http://json.org). I am currently using simpleJSON (http://undefined.org/python/#simplejson) on the SAGE server and I have it suc

[sage-devel] Re: Sage-2.9.alpha4 released

2007-12-10 Thread mabshoff
On Dec 10, 5:13 pm, Rishikesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 10, 10:34 am, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 10, 2007 2:06 AM, mabshoff > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > Alpha2 and Alpha3 never made it to the public due to some > > > build issues

[sage-devel] Re: Sage-2.9.alpha4 released

2007-12-10 Thread Rishikesh
On Dec 10, 10:34 am, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 10, 2007 2:06 AM, mabshoff > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > Alpha2 and Alpha3 never made it to the public due to some > > build issues and the slashdotting of sage.math. Alpha4 has > > many new goodies:

[sage-devel] Re: Sage-2.9.alpha4 released

2007-12-10 Thread William Stein
On Dec 10, 2007 2:06 AM, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > > Alpha2 and Alpha3 never made it to the public due to some > build issues and the slashdotting of sage.math. Alpha4 has > many new goodies: > > * R 2.6.1 > * PolyBoRi (missing the integration patch) > * FLINT 1.02 > > It

[sage-devel] ZDnet article on sage: "Sage - not a piece of cake, but powerful and open"

2007-12-10 Thread William Stein
Hi Sage-Devel, Check out this article on Sage that is at the top when you search for "sage math" in Google News: http://education.zdnet.com/?p=1416 It's a new article on Sage, rather than a re-hash of the UW press release. --- William -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics U

[sage-devel] Re: hard-coding symlink mistakes

2007-12-10 Thread Martin Albrecht
> SINGULAR (very serious): >Several Singular-related files in SAGE_ROOT/local/bin/ have hardcoded > paths. This makes it so singular will fail to work for everybody who > downloads a sage >binary right now :-(. > >The package singular-3-0-4-1-20071209.spkg fixes the problem. Just do >

[sage-devel] Re: hard-coding symlink mistakes

2007-12-10 Thread Burcin Erocal
Hello, On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:10:48 -0800 "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are a few very serious (but easy to fix) > problems with the current sage and upcoming packages > that involving hardcoding of paths. These > will cause problems if you move a sage install. > > POLYBORI

[sage-devel] Sage-2.9.alpha4 released

2007-12-10 Thread mabshoff
Hello, Alpha2 and Alpha3 never made it to the public due to some build issues and the slashdotting of sage.math. Alpha4 has many new goodies: * R 2.6.1 * PolyBoRi (missing the integration patch) * FLINT 1.02 It passes make check on sage.math as well as OSX 10.5.1 Intel. The alpha4 tarball [1

[sage-devel] Re: hard-coding symlink mistakes

2007-12-10 Thread mabshoff
On Dec 10, 10:10 am, "John Cremona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The people who downloaded binaries recently will -- if they do not > give up instantly -- go stratight to the Sage homepage for help, so > there should be a clear item there explaining what to do to upgrade. > With luck this will l

[sage-devel] Re: latest R spkg

2007-12-10 Thread John Cremona
It worked fine for me (ubuntu 7.10, gcc-4.2): real4m41.972s user3m32.781s sys 0m49.423s Successfully installed r-2.6.1.p3 John On 09/12/2007, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > Josh Kantor and I made a new R spkg here: > > http://sagemath.org/packages/optional

[sage-devel] Re: hard-coding symlink mistakes

2007-12-10 Thread John Cremona
The people who downloaded binaries recently will -- if they do not give up instantly -- go stratight to the Sage homepage for help, so there should be a clear item there explaining what to do to upgrade. With luck this will leave some of them with a good feeling, that although there was a big it w