On Dec 10, 2007 11:37 AM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > As one advances through graduate school and beyond, computers become an
> > indispensable part and parcel of learning and research. Undergraduate
> > students are taught the theory of the subject "by doing everything
> > long-hand" and the computer is often not used as a tool to further
> > learning. It appears that the author's opinion is purely based on his
> > experience as an undergraduate student and should be discounted for being
> > ill-formed.
>
> Disclaimer: I am not a mathematician, I am only a theoretical physics
> graduate student.
>
> I think the author is actually right about this. I always found this
> argument about "seeing inside the code to beleive a mathematical
> proof" weak.

It is an argument that is *only* for research pure mathematicians.  For
them it actually is _very_ important.  For everybody else the whole
idea of mathematical proof is somewhat irrelevant, and that's fine
with me (I understand it -- I do both pure and applied math, and
enjoy both and see them as separate complementary pursuits).

>
> For me, the major point about Sage is:
>
>   * open source (free) alternative to Mathematica/Maple/Matlab
>   * you can implement you own favourite thing that you need (be it
> number theory, or some other things, or something in calculus, or
> whatever) and Sage will include it, if it works and it's useful
>   * done be people, who know how to run opensource projects - release
> early, release often, easy to install, easy to run, discussions in
> public, etc. etc.

Props to Michael A. :-)

> I don't like the whole tone of the article though. Maybe Sage is
> complex, but it's best as it could be and especially better than
> anything else out there (opensource). So either we can do nothing and
> continue using non-free Mathematica, or we can actually try something.

Agreed :-)

But at this point any publicity is good for sage, so I'm glad the article
exists, even though it has a lame tone.

 -- William

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