Re: [RE-wrenches] USE-2 in white?

2010-08-02 Thread Dave Click
I've seen it in the field from this manufacturer: http://www.kristechwire.com/use-2-solar-wire.php Original Message Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] USE-2 in white? From: EcoSolar - Eric Andrews To: 'RE-wrenches' Date: 2010/8/2 12:32 YES. We get ours from PLATT Electric. Most el

Re: [RE-wrenches] minimum service

2010-08-27 Thread Dave Click
230.79(C): 230.79 Rating of Service Disconnecting Means. The service disconnecting means shall have a rating not less than the calculated load to be carried, determined in accordance with Part III, IV, or V of Article 220, as applicable. In no case shall the rating be lower than specified in 2

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC Discos for Enphase

2010-09-14 Thread Dave Click
In John's white paper on wiring Enphases: http://www.nmsu.edu/~tdi/Photovoltaics/Codes-Stds/WIRING%20ENPHASE%20MICROINVERTERS-11.pdf he recommends covering the module first anyway so the load-break disconnect isn't really an issue. Since you're at the module anyway to disconnect that module fro

Re: [RE-wrenches] Delta LAs

2010-09-14 Thread Dave Click
On my own system I have a DC suppressor from http://www.surgesuppression.com/ It's UL listed with a 25-year warranty. Not as cheap as a Delta (or Citel as far as I know) though, but I felt a lot more confident with this given our crazy lightning storms in FL. DKC Original Message --

Re: [RE-wrenches] Accessable?

2010-09-15 Thread Dave Click
And more specifically: 690.34 Access to Boxes. Junction, pull, and outlet boxes located behind modules or panels shall be so installed that the wiring contained in them can be rendered accessible directly or by displacement of a module(s) or panel(s) secured by removable fasteners and connected

Re: [RE-wrenches] Delta LA's in or out? It's our choice.

2010-09-15 Thread Dave Click
I just remembered that I've seen Deltas pre-installed (by the factory) within Satcons- at least the 50s, and I think they're in the 250s as well. I guess they'd look a bit weird sticking out of the cabinet! Dave Palumbo wrote: Bill, I checked with Delta and they say the LA’s are designed to b

Re: [RE-wrenches] GEC for Enphase inverters

2010-09-16 Thread Dave Click
I'd worry about putting such a high current in anyway- Enphase's max input is 10A (max Isc 12A) while the Evergreen Imp is 11.69 for their 215W. Original Message Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] GEC for Enphase inverters From: Nick Soleil To: RE-wrenches Date: 2010/9/16 10:58 Tha

Re: [RE-wrenches] SolarWorld 245

2010-10-13 Thread Dave Click
I believe this is saying that after the initial LID (Light Induced Degradation), it will be rated at no less than 97% of STC. AFAIK, LID is easily a percent or two on most modules. These modules will have been tested to produce at least their rated output when they leave the factory, before the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ground Mount Screening

2010-10-21 Thread Dave Click
How about hardware cloth along the back of the array beneath the rails? I think that's been suggested on this list before. Original Message Subject: [RE-wrenches] Ground Mount Screening From: Drake To: RE-wrenches Date: 2010/10/21 12:34 Hello Wrenches, We are installing a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Head Spinning..(Con) fused.

2010-11-14 Thread Dave Click
Fronius IG Plus on the spec sheet also specs "Max. continuous utility back feed current" as 0A. Original Message Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Head Spinning..(Con) fused. From: William Miller To: RE-wrenches Date: 2010/11/14 12:54 Darryl: If Aurora can not verify that their i

Re: [RE-wrenches] outdoor disconnects on multiple buildings

2010-11-22 Thread Dave Click
I think that if you have the 705.10 directory showing the disconnect locations (a directory at each location), you'd be OK per NEC. I think this question is likely one to ask your utility- the language may be in your interconnection agreement and you likely already know how flexible utilities a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Code reference needed

2010-12-05 Thread Dave Click
At a Xantrex training once upon a time, they explained that the three foot minimum height was to keep the unit out of reach of a typical lawn sprinkler. I don't know of an NEC reference for any minimum height required. Peter Parrish wrote: I spent some time putting together information on the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Tranformless inverter

2010-12-10 Thread Dave Click
I believe it's just: Fusing on the +/- disconnects break both + and - Need your modules to use PV wire labeling per 690.35(F) Square D discos are UL'd for ungrounded systems- and I just noticed that there's a June 2010 revision of the Square D disconnect guide. A bit of clarification since the

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV wire/double insulated

2010-12-12 Thread Dave Click
690.35 (D) The photovoltaic source conductors shall consist of the following: (1) Nonmetallic jacketed multiconductor cables (2) Conductors installed in raceways, or (3) Conductors listed and identified as Photovoltaic (PV) Wire installed as exposed, single conductors. *** As soon as

[RE-wrenches] Handy Map for ASHRAE temperatures

2010-12-14 Thread Dave Click
Hi all, My awesome coworker James converted the ASHRAE temperature data in the back of the Solar ABCs expedited permitting guide from a spreadsheet into a map format. Thought I'd run it by the list to see if there are any changes you'd recommend (probably best if you reply to me off-list). If

Re: [RE-wrenches] Federal ITC

2011-01-04 Thread Dave Click
The grant was just passed for 2011 as well: http://www.seia.org/cs/news_detail?pressrelease.id=1181 The ITC continues through 2016/12/31, and nothing's changed for solar hot water. http://www.dsireusa.org/incentives/incentive.cfm?Incentive_Code=US37F&re=1&ee=1 Original Message ---

Re: [RE-wrenches] Xslent?

2011-01-06 Thread Dave Click
Short answer: no, this product's reactive power generation will not affect you in the real world. Long answer: I don't see how their 6kVA system could outperform your 10kW system unless you're installing your system in the shade. This device seems to be quite limited- max VOC 42VDC, max input

Re: [RE-wrenches] Xslent?

2011-01-10 Thread Dave Click
Standard residential utility meters couldn't care less about power factor and will ignore reactive power. Additional utility bill savings by using these reactive-capable microinverters is $0. Dan brought up a good point that adding too much capacitance also hurts power factor- so even if a uti

[RE-wrenches] IRC 2009

2011-01-21 Thread Dave Click
Hi all- Does anyone have a copy of the 2009 International Residential Code? I only have the 2006. Please reply off-list. Thanks! Dave ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http

Re: [RE-wrenches] Cable Sizing - revisited, Ambient Temp

2011-01-25 Thread Dave Click
John, The 2% "ambient temperature" from ASHRAE is the appropriate starting point to use for these calculations. For some additional background I'll quote Bill: ** ASHRAE bases its ‘warm‐season temperature conditions’ for each city on annual percentiles of 0.4%, 1.0% and 2.0%. As an example,

Re: [RE-wrenches] Cable Sizing - revisited, Ambient Temp

2011-01-28 Thread Dave Click
where they plan to run conduit on a roof (nor can I control it) and I start "what-if'ing" whether my design numbers will be conservative enough to prevent a system failure or a fire. Thanks and regards, John Wadley, PE NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer (TM) Wadley Engineering

Re: [RE-wrenches] Roofers installing solar = creative, new installation methods

2011-01-28 Thread Dave Click
That's a nice built-in alarm feature that locking connectors just can't provide... Nick Soleil wrote: Hi wrenches: Have you noticed that roofing companies have recently been trying to sell solar? One company thought of something that I had never considered. Listen to this neat story. I was serv

Re: [RE-wrenches] Parallel wire runs to increase size

2011-02-02 Thread Dave Click
310.4(B) Conductor Characteristics. The paralleled conductors in each phase, polarity, neutral, grounded circuit conductor, or equipment grounding conductor shall comply with all of the following: (1) Be the same length (2) Have the same conductor material (3) Be the same size in cir

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sanyo HIT and ARRA "buy american"

2011-03-10 Thread Dave Click
We had to recently deal with this. It's complicated. As I understand it: The WTO list of ~60 countries counts as "Buy American" ONLY IF a project is more than $7,804,000 (I believe this amount relates to the check being written for your Sanyo project, as opposed to the total funding amount VT

Re: [RE-wrenches] Conductor supporting requirements

2011-04-07 Thread Dave Click
338.10(B)(4)(b) says to support in accordance with 334.30: 334.30 Securing and Supporting. Nonmetallic-sheathed cable shall be supported and secured by staples, cable ties, straps, hangers, or similar fittings designed and installed so as not to damage the cable, at intervals not exceeding 1.4

Re: [RE-wrenches] community solar

2011-04-07 Thread Dave Click
If you have a muni then it's possible, but I'd guess that with most investor-owned utilities they'd just laugh in your face. There are a few utilites out there that have done this- I think that Portland, OR and Seattle have this and we're working on it here in Orlando too. These links should h

Re: [RE-wrenches] SLDs with Mac

2011-04-09 Thread Dave Click
Nick, you can still use Visio/AutoCAD on the Mac if you install Parallels or VMWare, which allow you to run Windows programs. Either of those would run you about $80, which is cheaper than OmniGraffle. Each of these three software packages have trial versions so you can check them out before yo

Re: [RE-wrenches] SLDs with Mac

2011-04-11 Thread Dave Click
alters r...@solarray.com <mailto:r...@solarray.com> Solar Engineer On Apr 9, 2011, at 10:40 AM, Dave Click wrote: > Nick, you can still use Visio/AutoCAD on the Mac if you install Parallels or VMWare, which allow you to run Windows programs. Either of those would run you about $80, whic

[RE-wrenches] Fwd: Berkeley Lab Study Finds that Solar Photovoltaic Systems Boost the Sales Price of California Homes

2011-05-04 Thread Dave Click
All, just noticed that this email hadn't gone through to the wrench list. Good follow-up to our March discussion (subject line: Value of PV system to a home). Original Message Subject: Berkeley Lab Study Finds that Solar Photovoltaic Systems Boost the Sales Price of Californ

Re: [RE-wrenches] National grid hertz adjustment

2011-06-27 Thread Dave Click
Dan, I think we're only looking at an error of 20 minutes per (8760 hrs x 60 min / hr) = 0.00381%, well within the frequency drift allowed under UL 1741. So as you point out, it would only be the shorter excursions away from 60.0Hz that would be the issue. This shift isn't the easiest thing in

Re: [RE-wrenches] Fed ITC

2011-07-12 Thread Dave Click
Yes. It looks like some efficiency improvements only qualify on a main home, but it's different for solar. http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f5695.pdf Page 4: Qualified solar electric property costs. Qualified solar electric property costs are costs for property that uses solar energy to generate

Re: [RE-wrenches] Grounding system for a shack on a frozen lake?

2011-08-09 Thread Dave Click
Per 690.41 you probably wouldn't need to ground it for a system like this, but I like the idea of dropping a ground rod down into the water. Then curve the end and find a big worm, of course. ** 690.41 System Grounding. For a photovoltaic power source, one conductor of a 2-wire system with a p

Re: [RE-wrenches] mechanical vs. electronic kwh meter

2011-08-12 Thread Dave Click
I just asked a guy I know in utility metering, and he confirms that there's no basis for the utility's concern. Their claim that backfeeding is a safety hazard could be an attempt to dissuade some non-PV folks from flipping their meters to steal power. Or that could be their justification to ch

Re: [RE-wrenches] 310.15(A)(2) Exception

2011-08-17 Thread Dave Click
As I read the rule, that 100' in the trench allows you to go 10' above grade on each side while just worrying about the ampacity in the 100' section (be sure to check that your terminals are OK). For 200' in the trench, you're still looking at 10' above grade on each side. The rule doesn't say

Re: [RE-wrenches] 310.15(A)(2) Exception

2011-08-18 Thread Dave Click
That's right, Drake. The long wire acts as a heat sink for that short section. On 2011/8/17 17:58, Drake wrote: I think this answers a question I was pondering. If a conduit is run on standoffs over a roof, the temperature is cooler than on the roof, so the derating of the wire's ampacity is l

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase 215

2011-08-24 Thread Dave Click
The inverter should be current-limited on its output. The other Enphases have a higher output power than rated (199 @ 190, 219 @ 210, if memory serves from earlier list posts), so this may have a similar window. 215Wac max inverter output / 240V = 0.896 0.896 x 17 = 15.23A 15.23A x 1.25 < 20A s

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ladders for Inspectors

2011-09-01 Thread Dave Click
A letter from your insurance company may do the trick here. They probably wouldn't be too happy about the homeowner, curious child, OR inspector using your ladder even if you are on site watching it. On 2011/9/1 7:45, Jason Szumlanski wrote: Is anyone being forced to leave ladders up and secur

Re: [RE-wrenches] Designing PV systems for lightning prone areas

2011-09-09 Thread Dave Click
To add to Ray's comments, it's a good idea to minimize the area of your source circuits' wiring loops as well, to minimize voltage jumps from nearby strikes (of course, direct strikes blast a hole in the roof, so no suppression can really help you there). I have a DC arrestor from surgesuppress

Re: [RE-wrenches] Module Load Rating

2011-10-07 Thread Dave Click
UL 1703 is a 30 psf positive (downward) or negative (upward) load, or a design load designated by the manufacturer. I've never seen a module advertising a 30psf loading requirement--everything I've seen is at least 50psf--which I take to mean that this "designated" design load is usually spec'd

Re: [RE-wrenches] Module Load Rating

2011-10-10 Thread Dave Click
CTRIC* ** ** Original Message Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Module Load Rating From: Dave Click mailto:davecl...@fsec.ucf.edu>> Date: Fri, October 07, 2011 9:31 am To: RE-wrenches mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>> UL 1703 is a 30 psf positive (down

Re: [RE-wrenches] GT inverter

2011-11-21 Thread Dave Click
The Square D switches would work (as would others, I'm sure, but I knew how to find this file). And you don't need to break each pole twice: http://static.schneider-electric.us/docs/Electrical%20Distribution/Safety%20Switches/Solar%20Disconnect%20Switches/3110DB0401.pdf Note wiring diagrams 1A,

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage

2011-12-01 Thread Dave Click
At an SMA training last year they recommended the following temperature adders: Open field: +22°C Rooftop, lots of ventilation: +28°C Rooftop, some ventilation: +29°C Rooftop, little ventilation: +32°C Rooftop BIPV, no ventilation: +43°C Façade, some ventilation: +35°C Façade, little ventilation

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage

2011-12-01 Thread Dave Click
alculation. Should I suggest that my students just use the inverter manufacturers' online tools, and forget about trying to run this voltage calc themselves? Thanks, Ray On 12/1/2011 6:30 AM, Dave Click wrote: At an SMA training last year they recommended the following temperature adders: Open f

Re: [RE-wrenches] SMA combi switch in s.s.

2011-12-07 Thread Dave Click
Marco, the easiest solution may be to just replace it with a 4-pole disconnecting combiner from another manufacturer. SolarBOS, for example, has one available in 4X (fiberglass or SS). On 2011/12/7 12:41, Marco Mangelsdorf wrote: Anyone ever come across the SMA combi switch in a stainless encl

Re: [RE-wrenches] lay in lugs

2009-05-02 Thread Dave Click
Burndy's changed its part# from the CL50-DB-T to the CL50-1TN. Still direct-burial, still tin-plated, still "commonly used for solar panel grounding." The tech support guy I spoke with last December said that their lugs are now all direct-burial, so they decided that there wasn't a point in kee

Re: [RE-wrenches] plug in gridtied inverter

2009-05-06 Thread Dave Click
I'm not sure what my favorite part is: 1. the note at the bottom of the page of "NOTE: This unit is NOT UL listed so it can only be represented as an experimental device. It does shut down and disconnect from the grid if it senses that the grid has gone down (power outage). This protects utilit

Re: [RE-wrenches] residential ITC and second homes

2009-06-01 Thread Dave Click
From DSIRE: http://www.dsireusa.org/incentives/incentive.cfm?Incentive_Code=US37F&re=1&ee=1 "The home served by the system does not have to be the taxpayer’s principal residence." And from the IRS: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f5695.pdf "Your main home is generally the home where you live most

Re: [RE-wrenches] What is a "direct-current system"?

2009-06-19 Thread Dave Click
minal. DKC Original Message Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] What is a "direct-current system"? From: Peter Parrish To: 'Dave Click' Date: 2009/6/19 14:12 No, the inspector is saying that 690.47(B) applies, and as a consequence, 250.166 applies. He didn'

Re: [RE-wrenches] Inverter AM Interference

2009-07-14 Thread Dave Click
Weird! I was looking through the list archive for info on lightning arrestors earlier this afternoon and coincidentally, this email may help, from Aaron Wellendorf on 2006/4/12: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/htdig.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org/2006/019214.html "I have used a different brand of

Re: [RE-wrenches] Tube solar collectors

2009-07-21 Thread Dave Click
Yes they do: http://www.solyndra.com/Products/More-Electricity Original Message Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Tube solar collectors From: Joel Davidson To: RE-wrenches Date: 2009/7/21 09:46 Hello Kelly, Thanks for the feedback. Does anyone know if the Solyndra CIGS modules c

Re: [RE-wrenches] String Combiners for a-Si modules

2009-07-22 Thread Dave Click
Peter- Appendix J of "PV and the NEC" covers this, too; as Kirpal said, you'll need to know the series fuse rating for the module first, though. http://www.nmsu.edu/~tdi/pdf-resources/pdf%20version%20divided%20PV:NEC/APPENDIX%20J.pdf Original Message Subject: Re: [RE-wrenche

Re: [RE-wrenches] Watt-hour meter

2009-07-28 Thread Dave Click
something like this? http://www.hialeahmeter.com/eawame.html Original Message Subject: [RE-wrenches] Watt-hour meter From: Eric Andrews To: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Date: 2009/7/28 13:16 I’m looking for a Watt-hour meter that is hard-wired (not a Kill-O-Watt plugin)

Re: [RE-wrenches] High snow load on PV Modules

2009-07-28 Thread Dave Click
SolarWorld modules are 5400pa-rated too, but that's "only" 113 psf, right? These might be OK if you do a full clamp along the long sides of the modules (for SolarWorld at least, the 5400pa rating was determined per IEC 61215, while supporting only the short sides), but it's obviously not withou

Re: [RE-wrenches] "Quick Release" PV System

2009-07-29 Thread Dave Click
It seems to me that allowing an expensive array to be quickly and easily removed from a roof is a Very Bad Thing- I'd guess that the customer's insurance company would have an issue with this too. Will they also require that heat pumps have wheels and flexible pipes, so that they can be moved b

Re: [RE-wrenches] solid vs stranded AC vs DC

2009-08-05 Thread Dave Click
2% loss is significant, but I think that Darryl was saying that the resistance for stranded wire was 2% higher than solid. So if you had a 3% voltage drop in your system with stranded wire, you could rewire the system with solid wire and have a voltage drop of (3% x 0.98) 2.94% at peak producti

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV System Design Compromises (was solid vs stranded AC vs DC)

2009-08-05 Thread Dave Click
PV arrays to be visible from the street. - And now, making improvements on a system that is working flawlessly for almost 100,000 hours does not make cost vs. benefits sense. Joel Davidson - Original Message - From: "Dave Click" To: "RE-wrenches" Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC Art 310 Ampacity

2009-08-06 Thread Dave Click
You are receiving Wrench list digests. If you are responding to one of the messages in the digest, be sure to replace the subject line with the correct one for the individual message. Thanks. Here's a cable that may use B.310.1, which is probably overkill for most of our work: http://www.amerc

Re: [RE-wrenches] Seasonal Adjusters

2009-08-13 Thread Dave Click
The only system I've done with this feature, we used 2 Seas (now Iron Ridge, it appears) racking. I guess if you can limit those racks to being only two modules high, the weight would still be manageable. Still not something that one person can easily adjust, though. Example: http://www.ironri

[RE-wrenches] DC positive and negative in same conduit, other inspection issues

2009-08-19 Thread Dave Click
All, Couldn't find this anywhere in the archives; sorry if it's a repeat. I just went out to inspect a ground-mount system that had 3 source circuits feeding a metal DC combiner/disconnect. Wiring was free air until it got near the disconnect, then the positive wires entered an open 3' sectio

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC positive and negative in same conduit, other inspection issues

2009-08-20 Thread Dave Click
es. -Kelly Kelly Keilwitz, P.E. Whidbey Sun & Wind, LLC Renewable Energy Systems NABCEP Certified PV Installer 987 Wanamaker Rd, Coupeville, WA 98239 PH & FAX 360-678-7131 sunw...@whidbeysunwind.com On 8/19/09 2:41 PM, "Dave Click" wrote: For the grounding electrode wiring, it

Re: [RE-wrenches] ballasted roof rack - on the ground?

2009-08-22 Thread Dave Click
ird-Sun.com Clean Energy - Expertly Installed - "Dave Click" wrote: > Thanks all. > > It was my understanding that we should still be running the conductors > of the same circuit through the same raceway, even if it is the DC input > into the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar and pumped hydro

2009-08-25 Thread Dave Click
I'd had this question a while ago, and thought I'd send a few links I found last year in case they're helpful for anyone. http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2008/03/pumped-storage-to-back-up-renewable-energy-51745 from that page: 1994 IEEE Study on reservoir size requirements (

Re: [RE-wrenches] FW: Advanced Solar Photonics

2009-08-27 Thread Dave Click
I've heard of them and they are new. I don't think they're making them in Florida yet but they claim to be US-made. I think that on the previous edition of their website they were planning an 800W crystalline module(!), now they seem to have scaled back to "only" a 600W sometime next year. Th

Re: [RE-wrenches] Direct Grid Tie Upgrade - drawing attached

2009-09-02 Thread Dave Click
Carl, it looks like you're already Code-noncompliant thanks to the 100A garage panel having 100A utility, 20A PV, and 20A wind breakers supplying it. Adding an additional 20A of PV of course doesn't help things. I'd replace the 100A panel with a 150A+ (so probably a 200A), keeping the 100A main

[RE-wrenches] 14 PV-Powered Fans- best method?

2009-09-14 Thread Dave Click
Hi all, I'm working on a project for a state park, where they're looking to add some PV-powered fans to a outdoor bus stop. The customer is hoping to have the fans spin more quickly as irradiance increases, and they want a master cutoff switch. I'm initially planning to use 2 10W modules (ser

Re: [RE-wrenches] Report-Guidelines for Roof-mounted PV System Installations

2009-11-02 Thread Dave Click
The original code citation here was directed toward large rooftop unit (RTU) air conditioners and other large equipment that can not be disconnected without extensive cost and disruption to the building occupants during re-roofing. Hopefully this helps someone in case they have this imposed as

Re: [RE-wrenches] 2009 Federal Tax Credit Clarification

2009-11-02 Thread Dave Click
This may help, from a SEIA webinar in September. To answer your question: "It depends." (sorry!) See pages 13-15. http://www.seia.org/galleries/pdf/SEIA%20Tax%20Basis%20Webinar%209%2024%2009%20%5BCompatibility%20Mode%5D.pdf Original Message Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] 2009 Fede

Re: [RE-wrenches] Costs of Solar Permits

2009-11-02 Thread Dave Click
http://www.rules.house.gov/111/AmndmentsSubmitted/hr2454/cardoza173_hr2454_111.pdf Back in June, I found this amendment to the Waxman-Markey Cap and Trade bill- limiting solar permit costs for residential at $500 and noncommercial at 1% of the project cost, up to $10k. Noncompliance with permi

Re: [RE-wrenches] Bonding Rails

2009-11-17 Thread Dave Click
Peter, (1) it appears that per the WEEB installation manual: http://www.we-llc.com/Datasheets/104-0404-08-008.pdf (page 8) you need to have one WEEB per module rather than one for every other module as you suggest. (2) 690.43 Equipment Grounding. Exposed non–current-carrying metal parts of

Re: [RE-wrenches] Bonding Rails

2009-11-17 Thread Dave Click
B clips bonding modules C and D to rails #1 and #2, etc. - Peter -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Dave Click Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 12:14 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches]

Re: [RE-wrenches] SWR2500U Inverter

2009-11-18 Thread Dave Click
Just a note here- rather than using the record lows, you can go back to the future and use the ASHRAE minimum expected temperatures as the 2011 NEC will allow explicitly. In the '08, it says to use the "lowest expected ambient temperature," for which the ASHRAE temperatures are more appropriate

Re: [RE-wrenches] Bonding Rails

2009-11-18 Thread Dave Click
:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org>] On Behalf Of Dave Click Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:09 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Bonding Rails Yes, that's correct. In my answer I was just rephrasing it to say you'd need twice as many WEEBs a

Re: [RE-wrenches] SWR2500U Inverter

2009-11-18 Thread Dave Click
2500U Inverter From: robert ellison To: RE-wrenches Date: 2009/11/18 11:01 My eyes must be bad, i just looked at the entire list 3 times and New York state is not on it anywhere. I have see 48 below and just wanted to see what the averages ctually were. Bob On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 7:30 AM,

Re: [RE-wrenches] SWR2500U Inverter

2009-11-18 Thread Dave Click
V Installer Renewable Energy Systems www.oregonsolarworks.com <http://www.oregonsolarworks.com/> 541-218-0201 m 541-592-3958 o On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Dave Click <mailto:davecl...@fsec.ucf.edu>> wrote: Good catch Bob, there seems to be a page missing from that table.

[RE-wrenches] wiring the Soladeck

2009-11-24 Thread Dave Click
Wrenches- How are folks wiring the Soladeck boxes? It seems that the intent is to use cord grips in the south end of the box, but I just saw another installation where the wires just came directly in through the space at the south end. Seems like the foam is included to keep bugs out rather t

Re: [RE-wrenches] wiring the Soladeck

2009-11-25 Thread Dave Click
Scott M. Knapp, Ph.D. Solartek LLC Phone: 407-462-1182 Email: sc...@solartek.com Web: www.solartek.com On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Dave Click wrote: Wrenches- How are folks wiring the Soladeck boxes? It seems that the intent is to use cord grips in the south end of the box, but I just s

Re: [RE-wrenches] NABCEP - grid tie---Off grid

2009-11-30 Thread Dave Click
> Speaking of IBEW, how > about the installation done in Dorchester, Ma., do you mount your arrays > vertically? That (relatively small--5.4kW) array was installed vertically to improve its visibility from I-93. It was understood that vertical PV facing somewhat SE wouldn't have been as efficie

Re: [RE-wrenches] High end Lawn Art was: NABCEP - grid tie---Off grid

2009-11-30 Thread Dave Click
ment that might find use here. I am aware of others on this List that have a web "Rogue's Gallery" of how not to do it. Is there any place where this is a unified collection? Respectfully, Bill Loesch Solar 1 - Saint Louis Solar - Original Message - From: "Dave Clic

Re: [RE-wrenches] 690.32(E) + MC?

2009-12-05 Thread Dave Click
I believe that in a Code Corner back in the '05 era, John Wiles had said that MC cable was OK to use, then in a later Code Corner he says that it isn't; I thought it was because part of the reason for a metal raceway is physical protection, and EMT/FMC would be sturdier than MC. But then I look

Re: [RE-wrenches] wind load

2009-12-05 Thread Dave Click
Something that may help with the inspector would be to alternate trusses. If your array spanned ten trusses, which I'll call A-J, and you have three rows of six rails: Rail #1, 3, 5: attach to A, C, E, G, I, J Rail #2, 4, 6: attach to A, B, D, F, H, J It's not helping his concern on the end tr

Re: [RE-wrenches] Fwd: Solar Panels for 98 Cents Per Watt

2009-12-10 Thread Dave Click
In Photon's side-by-side module test a few years ago, I remember that one of the worst-performing modules (in kWh/kW) had marketing materials that targeted the off-grid market. The author suggested that by targeting off-grid, they were able to obscure their low production- perhaps another reaso

Re: [RE-wrenches] Best angle - direct grid tie

2010-01-04 Thread Dave Click
0.9 x latitude seems to be a good rule of thumb for direct grid-tie systems. Original Message Subject: Re: Malabar Cove Solar Array From: ScottT To: Dave Click Date: 2010/1/2 12:39 Hello Wrenches, My Solar Pathfinder Assistant (SPA) claims that the optimum tilt angle for

Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar accumulation panel

2010-01-12 Thread Dave Click
There's no problem with installing the panel and 690.64(B) is the appropriate section to look at. "690.64(B)(2) Bus or Conductor Rating. The sum of the ampere ratings of overcurrent devices in circuits supplying power to a busbar or conductor shall not exceed 120 percent of the rating of the b

Re: [RE-wrenches] Supply Side Interconnections - Maximum Backfeed

2010-03-04 Thread Dave Click
Sometimes utilities will set a max too- here in Florida the investor-owned utilities have a rule that you take (d...@stc) x 0.85 to get the "AC equivalent" size of the array. That size then can't exceed 90% of the service rating. Not sure if this is an issue in other states. Scott McCalmont wr

Re: [RE-wrenches] Load or Line Side was Solar accumulation panel

2010-03-09 Thread Dave Click
Late reply, but if anyone ever needs the code reference for William's method: 404.6 Position and Connection of Switches. (C) Connection of Switches. Single-throw knife switches and switches with butt contacts shall be connected such that their blades are de-energized when the switch is in the o

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV excellent battery charger

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Click
Is the answer here (at least the one that NABCEP intends) just that the VMP of a "12V module" is higher than the voltage of a 12V battery? With the higher voltage it will charge the battery with its corresponding current based on the I-V curve. The objective reads "Explain why PV modules make e

Re: [RE-wrenches] Supply Side Tap Overcurrent Protection

2010-03-29 Thread Dave Click
Looks like your question is answered but something else to look out for- this is pretty straight-forward for batteryless systems but for battery-backup and a line-side tie, you're adding a big load to the service conductors for battery charging and pass-through current to critical loads. If you

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ground Mount PV DC Disconnects and 690.13

2010-03-30 Thread Dave Click
I'd agree that 690.13/14 don't require a DC disconnect out there (notably 690.14(C)(5)). I'd still think it's a good idea for maintenance and safety so that you don't need to go 300 feet to turn off power and worry about lockout/tagout. You would have to wire the two outer poles in series to u

Re: [RE-wrenches] Overcurrent Protection on a Subpanel

2010-04-05 Thread Dave Click
One could interpret that if you have 6 or more inverter breakers getting combined in a panel, you'd want one main breaker so that you wouldn't have to turn off all ten individually to disconnect the system. Something else to ask the AHJ. Peter Parrish wrote: When we use a sub-panel to combine

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupled Issues

2010-04-19 Thread Dave Click
Jeff- The Sunny Boys can be reprogrammed into "off grid" mode so they can work between 56-64 Hz, but I believe you need both a service cable and a call to SMA tech support to make that happen. They then note in their system that that inverter's been adjusted to no longer meet UL 1741. Jeff Yag

Re: [RE-wrenches] PVWatts Module Temperature Coefficient (was Enphase derate)

2010-04-19 Thread Dave Click
It seems to be -0.5%/degC: http://rredc.nrel.gov/solar/calculators/PVWATTS/moreabout.html Original Message Subject: [RE-wrenches] PVWatts Module Temperature Coefficient (was Enphase derate) From: Joel Davidson To: RE-wrenches Date: 2010/4/18 12:23 Wrenches, PVWatts does

Re: [RE-wrenches] Volcanos, reduced solar production and kWh performance warranties

2010-04-26 Thread Dave Click
Something you can do is guarantee a kWh amount given a certain amount of irradiance. Offer X annual kWh given 2000 sun-hours, perhaps. If you're in a snowy area, just make sure the irradiance meter keeps snow on it as long as the modules would. Of course you wouldn't just take 0.8 into PVWatts

Re: [RE-wrenches] Volcanos, reduced solar production and kWh performance warranties

2010-04-26 Thread Dave Click
Good call Ray to incorporate out-of-spec grid in areas where that's an issue (and probably a good idea to include just in case!). If you need justification on future projects as to why you can't just guarantee a flat #: http://rredc.nrel.gov/solar/calculators/PVWATTS/version1/interp.html "For

Re: [RE-wrenches] FW: Enphase performance

2010-05-11 Thread Dave Click
I've got my SMA SB5 on a revenue grade meter and it's actually under-reported slightly since I started comparing it last August. SMA's counter has increased by 5649 kWh while the revenue meter has increased 5666 kWh- only 0.3% off. If I remember correctly from their training session they said t

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase System Labeling

2010-05-17 Thread Dave Click
Quick poll- how many inspectors/utilities out there require the "live on both sides" label for AC Disconnects, even after you explain to them this only applies to DC disconnects? Even though it's inaccurate, I feel that it at least gives unqualified personnel pause before they open up a switch

Re: [RE-wrenches] Oceanlink

2010-05-26 Thread Dave Click
I hope for your sake that you're kidding, because your residential customers may eventually find out that the power-save devices don't deliver the promised savings and will ask you why it was a $400 option. I'm guessing that the Oceanlink "Energy Solution" is even less effective than the power

Re: [RE-wrenches] FSEC Approval Required for Permit?

2010-06-03 Thread Dave Click
Jason, I don't believe that you're working with correct information and I'm not sure who you spoke with here at FSEC. Please contact me offlist so we can discuss this further. Also, we'd be pretty excited to learn that you were installing 200 systems in the state. Carry on! Original

Re: [RE-wrenches] #10 THWN-2

2010-07-22 Thread Dave Click
THWN-2 smaller than #8 is hard to find but I hear http://www.encorewire.com/site_flash/index.html makes it and that Graybar sells it. When I asked Southwire about it about two years ago, I got a collective "huh?" Original Message Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] #10 THWN-2 From: Da

Re: [RE-wrenches] Tax credit question.

2013-07-30 Thread Dave Click
The obvious disclaimers of course apply to this message... The only time a customer would find out that they were "disallowed" is if they are audited, right? Anyway, from the 5695 form sent out earlier, emphasis added: "Qualified solar electric property costs. Qualified solar electric propert

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sunny Island question

2013-08-02 Thread Dave Click
Allan- SMA tech support confirmed with me yesterday that the 3/4/5 kW TL units are compatible with the SMA frequency shifting. On 2013/8/2 16:34, Allan Sindelar wrote: Will the Sunny Island mate up with these Sunny Boys that have the limited backup capability during an outage, as they will with

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