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> > > > I know I've seen drop bar bikes with disc brakes. I'm not a disc brake
> > afficionado by any means, but are some disc brakes hydraulic and others not?
>
> > > > Joe
>
> > > > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:51:10 -0700
> > &g
he lever
> > too.
> >
> > ~Mike~
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > On Mar 31, 8:30 am, Joe Bartoe wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > I know I've seen drop bar bikes with disc brakes. I'm not a disc brake
> afficionado by any means, but are
cionado by any means, but are some disc brakes hydraulic and others not?
>
> > Joe
>
> > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:51:10 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's latest post.
> > From: cyclotour...@gmail.com
> > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
&
brakes. I'm not a disc brake
> afficionado by any means, but are some disc brakes hydraulic and others not?
>
> Joe
>
> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:51:10 -0700
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's latest post.
> From: cyclotour...@gmail.com
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@google
d others not?
>
> Joe
>
>
> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:51:10 -0700
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's latest post.
> From: cyclotour...@gmail.com
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> I'm 100% in the same boat as you. My 29er came w/ hydraulic d
I know I've seen drop bar bikes with disc brakes. I'm not a disc brake
afficionado by any means, but are some disc brakes hydraulic and others not?
Joe
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:51:10 -0700
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's latest post.
From: cyclotour...@gmail.com
To: r
; pretty but he was satisfied with it...
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but he was satisfied with it...
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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's latest post.
Correct. Full hydraulic systems use proprietary levers, so you're stuck w/
whatcha' got. Mechanical discs are a differen
Correct. Full hydraulic systems use proprietary levers, so you're stuck w/
whatcha' got. Mechanical discs are a different story.
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 5:26 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
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>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Michael_S wrote:
>
>> I have some flat bars on the 29er... I think with
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Michael_S wrote:
> I have some flat bars on the 29er... I think with a 9d sweep. They
> are the only choice with hydraulic disc brakes. I have not tried the
> Mustache bars yet so I don't know how they would be. I prefer drop
> bars in most cases and would put the
I'm 100% in the same boat as you. My 29er came w/ hydraulic discs, so I'm
kinda' locked into some sort of a straight bar. Marys, Space or Misfit
Fubar are all good options.
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Michael_S wrote:
> I have some flat bars on the 29er... I think with a 9d sweep. They
>
I have some flat bars on the 29er... I think with a 9d sweep. They
are the only choice with hydraulic disc brakes. I have not tried the
Mustache bars yet so I don't know how they would be. I prefer drop
bars in most cases and would put them on the 29er if they would work
with hydraulics, but I wou
This isn't the best picture of them, but I just put on some Origin8 Space
bars. Low rise bars with a nice sweep back. They are wonderfully
comfortable so far, although I haven't gone for an extended ride yet.
They're pretty similar to OnOne Mary bars. Made in China. Available at
your LBS throug
Speaking of spreading this gospel, my latest article, "Any Bike,
Anywhere: The Rough Rider's Way of Life" is published in the current
(March, #68) issue of Endurance News, a magazine published by Hammer
Nutrition. It's mailed to all of Hammer's current customers, but also
published online. You can
Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:09:16 -0700 (PDT)
> > To: RBW Owners Bunch
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: Grant's latest post.
>
> > Here's Mike's monstercross (forgive me) Hillborne all-rounder bomber:
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/37347...@n05/4449447882/sizes/l/
Wow! That bike really pops off the screen.
Nice!
> From: Esteban
> Reply-To:
> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:09:16 -0700 (PDT)
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Grant's latest post.
>
> Here's Mike's monstercross (forgive me) Hillborne all-rounde
Here's Mike's monstercross (forgive me) Hillborne all-rounder bomber:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37347...@n05/4449447882/sizes/l/
Pretty awesome! Mike - have you thought of adding 'cross levers?
They might do the trick nicely.
I'd prefer an Hillborne built up this way to a Hunqa. But that's
My Hillborne is pretty close to Chris's all rounder with slightly
smaller 700x40 knobbies. I did start with Noodle drop bars but after a
particularly steep and long dirt downhill this past Sunday I am
starting to think about a different handlebar. Maybe a WTB dirt drop
( with black ano removed! ) b
If the SH would take tires 20 mm fatter than 40, I'd build it up like this
in a minute -- drops, though. A low bb drop barr'd, light-tubed (relative to
most mtbs) off road bike would indeed be a blast.
Question: does riding full suspension on the road, with riser bars (and
against a headwind) coun
I think an expansion of Grant's posting would be to apply it to ALL riding.
Everything he said about demeanor and appearance applies to whenever I'm on
a bike. I try to look "normal" when I ride, not just because it's more
comfortable, but because maybe Joe-sixpack-just downsized-you betcha' in th
I just caught this:
http://www.adventurecorps.com/chronicles/2003/2003moabmaze/pages/DSC01285.html
and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/4473833906/
Kindred spirits.
So.. will someone build up a Hillborn in this manner? Or post pics if
you got it? Seems like it would be pretty perfect fo
I love all this stuff - and Grant's and Chris' writings are fun,
provocative, and useful. Rough riding & underbiking is where its at.
Seems to be a common interest among the Riv Appreciation Society
riders down here.
It is indeed fun to ride a road bike with Jack Browns or Pasela 32s or
35s out on
for courses, but most horses can run lots of courses.
Dustin Sharp
San Diego, Calif.
From: PATRICK MOORE
Reply-To:
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:50:36 -0600
To:
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's latest post.
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:33 AM, rswat...@me.com wrote:
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>
>> 2. An
> Bikes aren't "competent" - riders are!
True enough. But I imagine even the best rider would get annoyed with
the twitchy ride of a steep head tube/short chain even on a gravel
road. I do anyway.
Front suspension lock outs are a swell feature if you absolutely gotta
have suspension in some con
I guess I am more in Dustin's camp, while my favorite ride is a bike
with 32-40mm tires because I can do all roads and most dirt, true
MTB's have their place.
Having 29er' 2.2" tires just opens up terrrain that the skinnier
tires don't handle as well. Sandy and rocky terrrain require more
flotatio
Bikes aren't "competent" - riders are!
Also, my suspension fork has a lock-out: with a simple twist, I can
lock it out and eliminate the pogo effect when riding on pavement or
hard-packed trails. Not that I ride my "mountain bike" more than a few
times a year, but I do appreciate that feature.
-
> 1. Where do *you* draw the line between a "road" bike and a "mountain" bike?
Seems to me no matter how good the brazing, a Masi, DeRosa or the like
is not going to be competent off road, just as a full suspension - and
even a long front suspension - is a real dog on the road.
Otherwise, any dec
Most of the time, I like to use as little technology as possible, but
important factors I consider are:
- Am I meeting a bunch of "mountain bikers" for some hard charging? If
so, I usually take my Ritchey NiTi mtn bike (the first mtn bike I've
ever owned with a suspension fork, and I got it a year
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:33 AM, rswat...@me.com wrote:
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>
> 2. And, more important, where -- what terrain and conditions -- do you,
>> personally, (y'all) leave the sub 28 mm tire'd, drop bar'd bike at home and
>> take out the other one?
>>
>
> You couldn't pay me to ride sub 28mm tires!
> '
>
A few years back, right before I moved to Portland, I was at a
friend's house and saw his new "cross bike" with "cranked stays" which
he had set up with flat bars, WTB 700x44 Mutano Raptors. The bike
(made by Rick Hunter in SC) seemed so perfect for riding in the SF Bay
Area. The perfect machine fo
On Mar 30, 2010, at 8:04, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
Curious, and I realize that Chris, back then, was exaggerating to
make a point: but question to y'all: at what point do y'all draw the
line? I mean this in two ways:
1. Where do *you* draw the line between a "road" bike and a
"mountain" bi
I didn¹t read ³fat tires for the road and skinny tire for the dirt.² Rather,
I got the impression of a message consistent with past writings: You can be
happy riding fatter tire on pavement and skinnier tires off-road ‹ that is,
same tires for most all conditions. Then you don¹t need two specialize
Curious, and I realize that Chris, back then, was exaggerating to make a
point: but question to y'all: at what point do y'all draw the line? I mean
this in two ways:
1. Where do *you* draw the line between a "road" bike and a "mountain" bike?
What would an Atlantis be? A Sam Hill? Suspension? Drop
On Mar 30, 12:39 am, "XO-1.org Rough Riders"
wrote:
> Of course, YMMV; don't forget those skills I bragged about in my
> original article on the subject, way back in 1993!
>
> http://www.xo-1.org/2007/09/mountain-bikes-who-needs-them.html
>
> - Chris Kostman
> La Jolla, CA
What gave your articl
Given that it is Spring, at least in most of the country, and rainy,
I would especially point to this sentence, near the end of the post.
"In really wet conditions, you should try to avoid trails, anyway,
because riding a bike (or a horse, or hiking) on muddy trails damages
them more."
As a land
I just read Grant's latest post. It's a really nice introduction to
rough riding (or underbiking) and some of the techniques that come in
handy, as well as some of the many reasons to approach multi-surface
riding in this manner. I think he's being very conservative, though,
in suggesting that thos
OK, how would you have gone through the gates on Windy Ridge with a car?
Answer me that one, hm
:-)
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Andy.M wrote:
> I have had the conversation with Doug before... It seems to me that
> the more technologically advanced bicycles become (i.e. full sus) and
I have had the conversation with Doug before... It seems to me that
the more technologically advanced bicycles become (i.e. full sus) and
the more protective gear that a rider wears(chest protectors and shin
guardsreally!??) that the less respect that rider has for the
trail, and the bigger his
Sometime when you're in an area frequented by MTBers, stop & just
listen for a while. You'll understand why hikers & birders get
annoyed with bikers. Even if the riders aren't whooping & hollering
to each other, a bicycle makes a fair bit of mechanical noise when
ridden aggressively. I look at
I also found this piece to be well-written and apt. I've always had
a powerful aversion to the ubiquitous fluorescent alien-spacecraft
helmet style and tour de france style billboard leotards.
However, part of me is a little depressed that when we escape into the
woods to ride bikes, or hike, or
I often think about what kind of form a book of Grant's writings would
have to take to give the reader the experience that many of us have
from reading his various scribblings over the last 5-10-20 years.
There was a popular 'book' that was out ten years ago or more that
took the form of notes betw
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