I love all this stuff - and Grant's and Chris' writings are fun,
provocative, and useful. Rough riding & underbiking is where its at.
Seems to be a common interest among the Riv Appreciation Society
riders down here.

It is indeed fun to ride a road bike with Jack Browns or Pasela 32s or
35s out on the trails.  Its a gas.  I'm also having a gas on the
Rawland with 58mm knobbies, but all-rounder geometry.  Think "XO-1
with a 6 degree upslope tt and fat ass tires."  I don't get out on
singletrack as much as I like, but when I do (Big Laguna loop, Los
Penasquitos Preserve, San Clemente Canyon, Nobel Canyon here in SD
County), I certainly have a ball on that bike.  I like to ride to the
trail if possible, and the knobbies sure do cause a racket!

I'm an overly cautious rider on dirt, and as Chris mentions, a lot of
where I ride can be pretty darn rocky offroad.  And if I'm to believe
Dustin, some of the rides I'd like to do would cause more sanity with
suspension.

I think suspension is helpful if you're in a group.  The thing is, and
here's where I think Grant's spot on (if indeed conservative), if you
just go slow, hike-a-bike, enjoy the scenery, you can take any bike
nearly anywhere.

Looking forward to the Rough Riders Rally to discuss this further with
kindred souls!

On Mar 30, 9:28 am, CycloFiend <cyclofi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> on 3/30/10 4:20 AM, Frederick, Steve at frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote:
>
> > I think Grant's preferences for roadish trail bikes stem in part from his
> > location--Marin County is opposed, even hostile toward biking on trails, 
> > going
> > all the way back to the birth of modern mountain biking.  The less you look
> > like a "Mountain biker," the less likely you are to face the wrath of upset
> > hikers and ticket writing rangers.
>
> Actually, Grant and Rivendell's location is in the East Bay - specifically
> Contra Costa county. That doesn't change or undercut his message - and in
> fact his comments are incredibly salient.
>
> I, on the other hand, have somehow managed to remain in Marin.
>
> Lucky me... ;^)
>
> In the interest of not promoting stereotypes, it should be noted that
> attitudes of hostility here in "the birthplace of mountain biking" have
> refined and mellowed over the years.  Yes, there are high-profile and
> hotheaded comments made from the same entrenched individuals on both sides
> of access issues, and that tends to get press when it happens.  But, the
> facts are that bicycles have been common on the trails for more than 20
> years. in general, people are used to them and realize they aren't going
> anywhere.
>
> Most people behave well. Many people could use some constructive criticism.
> Some people have no clue.
>
> http://ramblings.cyclofiend.com/?p=273
>
> I do find that when people see me way up some trail on the Hilsen or
> Quickbeam, the first response is to smile.  But, I'm pretty proactive in
> doing the same and finding something to comment about, other than saying
> "onyerleft".  Wildflowers, birds and weather are always good starting
> points.  
>
> - Jim
>
> --
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>
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