[Pharo-users] [ANN] Camp Smalltalk Supreme's Speaker Line-up

Here it is: https://campsmalltalksupreme.wordpress.com/2020/06/28/daily-events/ Looks like a very strong event!

[Pharo-users] [ANN] Announcing the Winner of the 2022 JRMPC Competition

I am pleased to announce the winner of this year's JRMPC competition. The judges reviewed all the submissions and came to the extraordinary decision that only **Ana DuCristea** of John G. Diefenbaker High School in Calgary, AB was worthy of an award. Her work was outstanding and constituted enor

[Pharo-users] [ANN] When Pigeons Talk: The Evolution of Programming Education

I’d like to give a shout out to David Buck’s latest project: https://richardeng.medium.com/when-pigeons-talk-the-evolution-of-programming-education-6a12790ec5ea I think it’s a very worthy project and it deserves your support. By the way, he’s one of the four keynote speakers at Camp Smalltalk S

[Pharo-users] [ANN] Registration Reminder for Camp Smalltalk

Just a reminder to everyone that they should register their presentation at Camp Smalltalk by **March 13**, 2022. Here's the registration link:  . Please spread the word. Thanks.

[Pharo-users] [ANN] Last Day for JRMPC Registration

We only have 10 registrations. This is a major disappointment. Why the low turnout? We believe it’s because of the pandemic. High school students are tired and stressed out. The last thing they’re thinking about is a programming competition. We will make the best of a bad situation. The competi

[Pharo-users] Re: How to indent block of text

Thanks. I need to have this engraved on my forehead. Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > hi, > > the command is : ctrl+shift+(l or r) > Esteban > On Oct 23 2021, at 2:44 pm, horrido.hobb...@gmail.com wrote: > > > No. I meant this: > > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/13675260/how-to-indent-a-block-of-

[Pharo-users] Re: How to indent block of text

No. I meant this: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/13675260/how-to-indent-a-block-of-code-in-pharo-squeak Pierre Misse wrote: > Ctrl+maj+f applies the formatting, which is configurable IIRC. > Is it what you're looking for? > > On 10/22/2021 10:35 PM, horrido.hobb...@gmail.com wrote: > > > Ha

[Pharo-users] How to indent block of text

Has indenting text changed in Pharo? Ctrl-Alt-R and Ctrl-Alt-L don’t work for me anymore. Thanks.

[Pharo-users] How many active Smalltalkers worldwide?

I’m guessing between 10 and 20 thousand. I’m guessing a few thousand for each of GemStone/S, Pharo, Squeak, VAST, and VisualWorks. I’m guessing a few hundred for each of Amber, Cuis, Dolphin, and GNU.

[Pharo-users] Re: R: Re: The Greatest Contributors to Smalltalk since 1980

With very few exceptions, no important programming language ever “dies.” Even APL and Forth are still in use today, if only in a small way (including their derivatives like J and Factor). But from the perspective of the programming community at large, if a programming language no longer has a l

[Pharo-users] Re: The Greatest Contributors to Smalltalk since 1980

Thanks to everyone for some great suggestions. I’m coming around to the notion that I asked the wrong question. In the context of Smalltalk’s 50th anniversary, the reason I asked the question is because I noted that in APL’s 50th anniversary celebration, they gave an award to the one individual

[Pharo-users] The Greatest Contributors to Smalltalk since 1980

I’m looking for a list of individuals who have contributed greatly to the advancement of Smalltalk, post Xerox PARC period (1972-1980). By advancement, I don’t only mean on a technical basis but on an educational or public awareness basis (this could include books, podcasts, talk circuit, video

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Smalltalk's Successor

You are quite right, which is why I'm retiring as Smalltalk evangelist. There is simply nothing more I can say about Smalltalk. Over the last 5 years, I've said everything there is to say and I've said them in every way imaginable. My last act as Smalltalk evangelist will be Camp Smalltalk Supreme

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Smalltalk's Successor

It's true, Smalltalk faces the same dilemma as Linux and Lisp. As a /family/ of languages, portability is a genuine issue. There's no getting around this dichotomy. You can have either a flexibility of choice or the tyranny of one standard, but not both. The decision is a fact of life that we fac

Re: [Pharo-users] Editing in Pharo Debugger

I was wondering... Is there an easy way to update my Pharo 9.0 Development version with updated versions? I presume Pharo 9.0 is constantly changing. And how frequently are there updated versions? Thanks. horrido wrote > The latest 9.0 64-bit development version that I downloaded earl

Re: [Pharo-users] Editing in Pharo Debugger

The latest 9.0 64-bit development version that I downloaded earlier this week. tbrunz wrote > For which version, Richard? > > I get the "orange triangle" in Pharo 8. > > -t > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html -- Sent from: http://forum.worl

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] New GoFundMe Campaign

, Haskell, Haxe, Julia, Kotlin, Lua, Nim, OCaml, and Racket. None of these languages are used in any national programming competition. Let's show some solidarity. Thanks. horrido wrote > https://www.gofundme.com/f/jrmpc-2?utm_source=customer&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_campaign=p_

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] New GoFundMe Campaign

GemTalk Systems has just donated CAN$1,311. I greatly appreciate their support. I wonder if I can count on the other major Smalltalk vendors. Fingers crossed. horrido wrote > https://www.gofundme.com/f/jrmpc-2?utm_source=customer&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_campaign=p_cf+share-flow-1

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] New GoFundMe Campaign

Here's the trailer for JRMPC 2021: https://youtu.be/ZlbRKDPQLf4 horrido wrote > https://www.gofundme.com/f/jrmpc-2?utm_source=customer&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_campaign=p_cf+share-flow-1 > > Please give generously! > > Thanks. -- Sent from: http://forum.wo

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are reasons NOT to use Smalltalk?

I decided to add a new option: "None of the above (add a comment for a new answer)." Hopefully, this fixes the issue. Richard Sargent wrote > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 11:39 AM horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > wrote: > >> I'm not sure I understand. A

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are reasons NOT to use Smalltalk?

not ideal, but that's all Wordpress allows, I'm afraid. Richard Sargent wrote > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 11:39 AM horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > wrote: > >> I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying you tried to submit "Vote" >> without

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are reasons NOT to use Smalltalk?

I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying you tried to submit "Vote" without checking off any of the boxes? You can always add comment to the post. Richard Sargent wrote > It wouldn't let me vote without choosing an answer, none of which were my > answer. > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 9:32 AM Ri

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are good reasons to use Smalltalk?

I can come up with one counter-example. I've been on Quora for the past several years. From time to time, I encounter weird behaviour in Chrome. When I try to confirm this in Firefox, the issue goes away! And, of course, my Smalltalk poll is another counter-example. Esteban A. Maringolo wrote >

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are good reasons to use Smalltalk?

It's 2020 and we're still faced with browser compatibility issues?!! Man, the web is really a piece o' sh*t. Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas-2 wrote > Same for Firefox. I thought the poll was closed when I visited. Now I > can check it works on Chromium. I wonder how many people tried to > partic

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are good reasons to use Smalltalk?

n't know how successful I am. Richard Sargent wrote > On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:31 PM horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > wrote: > >> I've updated the poll question, but since there are already 56 votes, it >> looks like nobody chose my new addition. Perhaps mor

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are good reasons to use Smalltalk?

I've updated the poll question, but since there are already 56 votes, it looks like nobody chose my new addition. Perhaps more of you should vote to change that. horrido wrote > You are quite right. How did I manage to miss that?!! > > > Richard Sargent wrote >> You

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are good reasons to use Smalltalk?

You are quite right. How did I manage to miss that?!! Richard Sargent wrote > You missed the fact that it makes it easier to communicate with the user > community, since it's a "near-English" grammar, and you can easily use a > common terminology. > > > On Wed, May 13, 2020, 12:43 Richard Kenne

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] JRMPC Poll

lk, not least Pharo By Example. Had > these people > who were polled read PBE? > > On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 04:49, horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > wrote: >> >> This is what I provided the JRMPC participants: https://jrmpc.ca/ (see >> "How >> t

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] JRMPC Poll

Exactly! The JRMPC participants were more used to looking things up quickly and easily, rather than exploring. It's not easy to teach people how to explore a system for needed information, and more importantly, it's a time-consuming process. People are impatient. Smalltalk is not for impatient peo

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] JRMPC Poll

This is what I provided the JRMPC participants: https://jrmpc.ca/ (see "How to learn Smalltalk programming"). I'm not sure how I could've done better, though. You make an excellent point about duplication and keeping documentation up-to-date. However, there has to be some middle ground that makes

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] We have our winners!

As promised, here are the team mind submissions for the three winners... First Prize (WCI1): https://drive.google.com/open?id=1nEYm84hLGIJYtV9OGbsCkVDuASNAFjii Second Prize (Team Dijkstra): https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-RZ-uo1Dt4dIgdBCKrlbZywbcx3vPRYQ Third Prize (Bickle Blatwoon): https://

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Battlesnake vs JRMPC

Thank you very much for the feedback. I've updated the article accordingly. Hope you find it satisfactory. Richard -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Round 4 Results Are In

tbrunz wrote > The competition is certainly getting more interesting and challenging. > > I found that if I started from your website to reach the videos, they're a > lot more understandable, as the background info needed to comprehend what > we're seeing is spelled out more completely there. > >

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Round 3 Results Are In

cool. Mission accomplished. Richard O'Keefe wrote > There doesn't need to *be* a soundtrack. Everyone can handle silence, > no? What purpose *does* the current video serve? > > On Mon, 24 Feb 2020 at 07:42, horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > wrote: >> >&

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Round 3 Results Are In

My video serves one purpose; your video serves another. If I wanted to serve your purpose, then yes, I'd make your video. As to the sound track, the truth is, you can't choose one that appeals to everyone. Musical tastes vary. I have no doubt that regardless of my choice, somebody will always have

Re: [Pharo-users] The results are in!

I shall endeavour to make my posts more meaningful, starting with [ANN]. My bad. Guillermo Polito wrote > Hi Ben, > >> El 9 feb 2020, a las 21:01, Ben Coman < > btc@ > > escribió: >> >> > This list is for people to *ask* questions about Pharo. Not to diffuse >> any kind of propaganda (pharo

Re: [Pharo-users] The results are in!

Thanks, Ben. > Although the "smalltalk" title of the video is not ideal, that was the > name of the competition when it was originally going to use VisualWorks, > and so it carried over. Not only that, but if you look at jrmpc.ca, it uses the word "Smalltalk" all over the place. The sponsors incl

Re: [Pharo-users] The results are in!

Now, who's telling lies? I have never "demanded" money for the competition. I've asked for donations through Kickstarter and GoFundMe. I didn't demand anything from LabWare; they were so impressed with my campaign, they offered to support it. Your characterization of me is inaccurate and unfair an

Re: [Pharo-users] The results are in!

so 8. 2. 2020 v 23:33 odesílatel horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > napsal: > >> So this forum is only for Pharo newcomers who have questions? Seems >> rather >> limiting. >> >> When I join other language forums, I look for information about the >&g

Re: [Pharo-users] The results are in!

Self-promotion??? I generally dislike inserting myself personally into Smalltalk advocacy. My campaign is all about Smalltalk; I'm just the vehicle. If you're referring to my comment "at the risk of sounding immodest," I am rightfully proud of my video. It does a damn good job of promoting Pharo.

Re: [Pharo-users] The results are in!

So this forum is only for Pharo newcomers who have questions? Seems rather limiting. When I join other language forums, I look for information about the language I'm investigating as a newcomer. This can include the language's capabilities, limitations, real-world usage, new tools, philosophical b

Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

I agree completely. Pharo is a Smalltalk, but it need not be constrained by Smalltalk-80. Pharo is completely free to chart its own course. As far as I can tell, Nik Boyd's Hoot Smalltalk is doing the same thing. This is purely a PR matter. Pharo's reputation doesn't want to be tarred with Smallta

Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

> The audience for the Smalltalk-inspired campaign is the other 99% of programmers who would never get past: "Smalltalk = 1980 = dead = not worth checking out". Never? This is what I've been trying to overcome for the past 5 years with hundreds of blogs. > Have already made up their mind and will

Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

> You can evangelize what you want but I would prefer if you have to evangelize, keep it to smalltalk and do not refer to pharo, not even with screenshots. Whoa! You want me to remove all references to Pharo in my smalltalk.tech.blog??? That would eliminate most of the current blog posts. It woul

Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

> The whole reason Pharo exists is to break free from the constraints of other people's ideas of what Smalltalk is and should remain to be. Pharo is no more constrained by Smalltalk's legacy than GNU Smalltalk (which eschews the traditional IDE) and Hoot Smalltalk (a JVM-based Smalltalk with uniqu

Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

ating students). I shall delete smalltalk.tech.blog <https://smalltalk.tech.blog/> . I shall remove all my existing blogs and videos about Smalltalk from Medium and YouTube. Perhaps this will reverse the damage. I await your case... NorbertHartl wrote >> Am 05.02.2020 um 20:4

Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

hone > >> On Feb 5, 2020, at 13:12, horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > wrote: >> >> Reddit is a strange bird. I have found more resistance to Smalltalk there >> than from any other source on the planet. Moreover, those people *really* >> don't appr

Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

I'm not sure ANSI compliance is particularly useful. Nobody develops an application strictly to the ANSI standard. Ben Coman had to port VisualWorks code to Pharo for my JRMPC competition and it wasn't exactly a cake walk. My friend Bob Nemic got confused between VisualWorks and Pharo because of t

Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

. My philosophy is that it's better to have tried and failed, then to not have tried at all. Pavel Krivanek-3 wrote > st 5. 2. 2020 v 20:42 odesílatel horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > napsal: > >> > It is your initiative, you should know, nobody asked you t

Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

xists at Reddit, but they are openly hostile. So you'll forgive me if I don't lend much credence to what Redditors say. Pavel Krivanek-3 wrote > st 5. 2. 2020 v 20:48 odesílatel horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > napsal: > >> I learned a long time ago that you

Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

wrote > On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 4:48 PM horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > wrote: >> >> I learned a long time ago that you can't please everybody. I've heard the >> critics about my evangelism. I've also heard the praise. >> >> So what am I s

Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

27;t have its own life? How about VA Smalltalk? This is sophistry. cedreek wrote >> Le 5 févr. 2020 à 19:50, horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > a écrit : >> >> Yes, these are two completely different issues... >> >> - Pharo is Smalltalk > > As

Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

our heart. Otherwise, get out of the kitchen... Pavel Krivanek-3 wrote > st 5. 2. 2020 v 19:02 odesílatel horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > napsal: > >> > You want to take the Smalltalk heritage as a definition, that’s ok. We >> don’t, and that’s ok too. Is about

Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

> It is your initiative, you should know, nobody asked you to do it Well, that's a peculiar attitude. There are many, many programming language evangelists and I don't think anybody "asked" them to do it. They do it for the love of the language. I hear what you're saying, and I understand fully.

Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

and I would hope that the Pharo community is willing to participate in evangelizing Smalltalk. If there is truly another avenue that is as effective, I'm all ears. Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote >> On 5 Feb 2020, at 18:50, horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > wrote: >>

Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

> You want to take the Smalltalk heritage as a definition, that’s ok. We don’t, and that’s ok too. Is about what we want to do. Who's "we"? Last time I checked, nobody owns Pharo. Pharo is not a bunch of core developers; it's a community. And I believe there are many Pharoers who share my view.

Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

> pharo is not smalltalk I understand that Pharo wants to chart its own future, and that's great, but to deny its heritage only makes Pharo look haughty and foolish because... Pharo *is* Smalltalk in the same way that VisualWorks is Smalltalk and VA Smalltalk is Smalltalk and GemStone/S is Smallt

Re: [Pharo-users] Fuzzy Thinking in Smalltalk

I see two major points here. First, that this forum is supposedly only for Pharo-related matters (not general Smalltalk-related matters), and second, that people want to see actual source code. I think this is too narrow a viewpoint and here's why. First, the Pharo Smalltalk Users forum is, as far

Re: [Pharo-users] R: R: Fuzzy Thinking in Smalltalk

gt; > -Messaggio originale- > Da: Pharo-users [mailto: > pharo-users-bounces@.pharo > ] Per conto di horrido > Inviato: martedì 4 febbraio 2020 17:53 > A: > pharo-users@.pharo > Oggetto: Re: [Pharo-users] R: Fuzzy Thinking in Smalltalk > > Sorry, to what

Re: [Pharo-users] R: Fuzzy Thinking in Smalltalk

Sorry, to what are you referring? Lorenzo wrote > Hi Rich, > > > > thank you very much for your excellent work! > > > > Do you have a reference to my previous paper? > > > > Grazie. > > > > Ciao > > > > Da: Pharo-users [mailto: > pharo-users-bounces@.pharo > ] Per conto di R

Re: [Pharo-users] Round 1 test

Please note: this is a /demonstration/ video. The first actual competition video will be released this weekend after Round 1 completes. tbrunz wrote > Excellent! I've bookmarked it to show others. > > That answered my questions (and those that others will inevitably ask, > too). > > -t > >

Re: [Pharo-users] Round 1 test

It took four takes, but I think I've got it nailed for good: https://youtu.be/ArEWif7JUBk I'm hoping these kinds of videos from the competition will be great advertising. We shall see... -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Re: [Pharo-users] Round 1 test

It's in this blog post at jrmpc.ca: https://jrmpc.ca/2020/01/09/round-1-challenge/ /The object is to get the highest score possible by navigating the robot around the board according to your strategy./ I've created an improved version of the video due to feedback: https://youtu.be/v7vZ4S4UBvw

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk Poll

Richard Sargent wrote > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 9:13 AM horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > wrote: > >> That's right. The poll is for non-Smalltalkers. The goal is to identify >> the >> pain points and then to respond to those points in a future blog

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk Poll

That's right. The poll is for non-Smalltalkers. The goal is to identify the pain points and then to respond to those points in a future blog post. Tim Mackinnon wrote > Is this a poll you expect none of us to take? > > Maybe > - it’s too productive and fun, real programmers should be made to su

Re: [Pharo-users] Resources Page

didn't > have the possibility to create an executable iirc. > > On 2020-01-28 20:37, horrido wrote: >> I never consider a trial version as a free product. As far as I'm >> considered, >> it's only free (or Community Edition) if I can use it indefi

Re: [Pharo-users] Resources Page

pears to be free trial version[1]. > > Dale > > [1] https://www.instantiations.com/products/vasmalltalk/download.html > > On 1/28/20 5:25 PM, Richard Sargent wrote: >> Thanks. >> >> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 17:21 horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > >

Re: [Pharo-users] Resources Page

Done. I didn't realize there was a free license for GemStone/S. Too bad VA Smalltalk doesn't offer a free license. Richard Sargent (again) wrote > Thank you, Richard. > > Would you be kind enough to annotate the GemStone link to point out that > we have a free license that permits commercial u

Re: [Pharo-users] Resources Page

tbrunz wrote > Very good, Richard -- this is helpful, and is a great page to refer people > to. > > The image(?) under "Miscellaneous" is broken (at least in my browser; the > other links all work.) Fixed. Thanks. > You might consider adding a link to "A Terse Guide to Pharo", > https://gist.g

Re: [Pharo-users] New Smalltalk Blog

Here's the third from Leandro: https://smalltalk.tech.blog/2020/01/26/extending-the-smalltalk-syntax-3/ <https://smalltalk.tech.blog/2020/01/26/extending-the-smalltalk-syntax-3/> It would be really nice if I could find a few more articles to publish (hint, hint). horrido wrote &

Re: [Pharo-users] New Smalltalk Blog

If I'm not mistaken, all you have to do is add '/feed/' to the URL, like https://smalltalk.tech.blog/feed/. Of course, I don't /really/ know what the f*ck I'm talking about. horrido wrote > I don't know anything about RSS. How do I enable it? >

Re: [Pharo-users] New Smalltalk Blog

I don't know anything about RSS. How do I enable it? -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Re: [Pharo-users] New Smalltalk Blog

Here's the second of four in the series from Leandro: Extending the Smalltalk Syntax 2 <https://smalltalk.tech.blog/2020/01/23/extending-the-smalltalk-syntax-2/> . I'm looking for submissions, so if any of you are interested, please send me an email. horrido wrote >

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo display bug

Thanks! Works perfectly. Torsten Bergmann wrote > This is a known issue with FreeType - it happens in some images and in > next automatically > built image it is gone. See all details in: > > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/2336 > > Workaround: > > Just go to the WorldMenu Pha

Re: [Pharo-users] Latest Pharo Update

Reinstalling Pharo from scratch fixes it. Somehow, the automatic update is broken. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Re: [Pharo-users] As promised, the sequel!

Getting an idea suggestion for an article is plagiarism??? I get ideas from all kinds of sources. From friends. From strangers. From television and movies. Et cetera. There's no point in citing all of them. xap wrote > tbrunz, my comment above was to pander to my own selfish views of > how-the-

Re: [Pharo-users] As promised, the sequel!

Thanks, Ted. Yes, I chose red for the Tesla because it complements the blue I chose for the Maserati. You see, everything I do has a reason. I was also wondering what other technologies have undergone a revival. To be honest, it's hard to come up with anything. (Even the Buratino rocket launcher

Re: [Pharo-users] Why Smalltalk is so easy to evangelize

icity of the language is a big deal. Richard Sargent wrote > On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 1:52 PM horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > wrote: > >> Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas-2 wrote >> > But I have not >> > being able to convince any of my coder friends to swit

Re: [Pharo-users] Why Smalltalk is so easy to evangelize

Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas-2 wrote > But I have not > being able to convince any of my coder friends to switch to Pharo > instead of C++, Java or Javacript, which by the way, is the language > they already know and use to put bread on the table on a daily basis. > > So I think that we deal with

Re: [Pharo-users] Why Smalltalk is so easy to evangelize

itli...@schrievkrom.de wrote > Am 10.01.20 um 15:42 schrieb horrido: > >> >>> So let's stop trying to convince people with things that mattered some >>> 20 years ago. Even the function point thingie we keep carrying in front >>> of our bellies (Cap

Re: [Pharo-users] Why Smalltalk is so easy to evangelize

jtuchel wrote > Am 10.01.20 um 10:16 schrieb Marten Feldtmann: >> That happened once in the history of Smalltalk and the big player was >> IBM ... > > Well, twice actually ;-) > Many people might not know that HP once was a Smalltalk vendor with > their distributed Smalltalk (which was actually a

Re: [Pharo-users] Why Smalltalk is so easy to evangelize

gt; > That hype perhaps lasted a few years ... and then IBM switched to Java > ... so they never can go back. > > > > > Marten > > Am 09.01.20 um 23:16 schrieb horrido: > >> >> It would be really nice to have some big tech company adopt Smalltalk, >

Re: [Pharo-users] Why Smalltalk is so easy to evangelize

alect can > ease that inherent frustration of software development, or even > better, turn it into an enjoyable experience (as it's been my case for > over a decade). > > Have some reasonable big tech/company saying they're going to use X, > and you'll have flocks of users

Re: [Pharo-users] Why Smalltalk is so easy to evangelize

Which rant is that??? To me, what's really nice is the supremely simple language *and* the easily accessible programming environment *and* live coding *and* metaprogramming *and* the functional aspect (lambdas). It's not just one thing. It's the synergy that comes from the totality. However, ther

Re: [Pharo-users] Why Smalltalk is so easy to evangelize

27;s wrong, then I should delete the entire article. Is it wrong? Esteban A. Maringolo wrote > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 2:23 PM horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > wrote: > >> I happen to like Dart, Elixir, Golang, Julia, and Rust. But be honest: do >> these languages

Re: [Pharo-users] Why Smalltalk is so easy to evangelize

It depends on how one interprets the last paragraph. Yours is one interpretation, and one that never occurred to me. I didn't see it as "demoting" other languages. The paragraph in no way criticizes other languages. It simply suggests that Smalltalk offers many more resources for evangelism. It's

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk: It’s Not Your Grandfather’s Programming Language

And it's a very good view, indeed. I thank you for bringing it to my attention. I was particularly impressed by the "revival" aspect of e-cars because, as you said, Smalltalk is due for a revival, as well. This may actually lead to a sequel article! I am always amazed that I can still come up wit

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk: It’s Not Your Grandfather’s Programming Language

I've made the change from grandfather to grandparent. Unfortunately, I cannot alter the URL — it still reads grandfather. As much as I would like to use Tesla, the problem is that our grandparents never drove electric. Without rewriting a substantial portion of the article, I cannot make a connect

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk: It’s Not Your Grandfather’s Programming Language

The problem is that the underlying premise of my article would be undermined. Our grandparents had nothing like the Tesla. I used Maserati because it's an /aspirational/ car. Not practical. Not cheap. But droolworthy. Nobody dreams of owning a Tesla. But Maserati? Bugatti? Porsche? Aston Martin?

Re: [Pharo-users] R: Smalltalk: It’s Not Your Grandfather’s Programming Language

Thanks! I have a question for everyone. Someone has taken me to task for being "sexist". He says I should refer to "grandparent" instead of "grandfather". I'd like to ask for your opinion. Would "grandparent" sound better in my article? Imagine replacing all instances of "grandfather" with "grand

Re: [Pharo-users] How can we celebrate the 50th anniversary of Smalltalk?

horrido wrote > https://medium.com/@richardeng/how-can-we-celebrate-the-50th-anniversary-of-smalltalk-e6b35dbc09a9 Amazingly, no one has any suggestions! I'm afraid the 50th anniversary will pass very quietly. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Re: [Pharo-users] We Are Smalltalk

Sorry about that. I've cited your original work in the video. However, if you decline to give me permission, then I shall remove the video. Just let me know. Thanks. SergeStinckwich wrote > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 2:23 PM Christopher Fuhrman < > christopher.fuhrman@ >> wrote: > >> >> On Tue,

Re: [Pharo-users] We Are Smalltalk

Thank Serge Stinckwich. Without his video, this wouldn't have been possible. horrido wrote > Very cool! Thanks!!! > > > > tbrunz wrote >> Nice! >> >> Here's another video, one that focuses on Roassal 3, but is still very >> visual and does a

Re: [Pharo-users] We Are Smalltalk

Very cool! Thanks!!! tbrunz wrote > Nice! > > Here's another video, one that focuses on Roassal 3, but is still very > visual and does a nice job of showing what (Pharo) Smalltalk can do: > > https://youtu.be/R2rLr7Z1b8Y > > -t > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smallta

Re: [Pharo-users] Connection Timed Out

on. Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote >> On 1 Sep 2019, at 23:06, horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > wrote: >> >> This didn't fix the issue. It's not a matter of adjusting timeout values. >> >> However, I believe I've resolved the matter, more or le

Re: [Pharo-users] Connection Timed Out

Gmail as a SMTP relay and *manually* send emails to my recipients. However, this would be extremely tedious and error-prone. I'll play it by ear. If the timeouts and debug windows prove to be problematic, I can fall back on manual emailing. Such is life in the world of networking. horrido wrote &

Re: [Pharo-users] Connection Timed Out

I did a bit of research on the web and I discovered that nginx can be unreliable due to default or inappropriate settings for certain timeout values. Currently, I'm testing a possible fix: set /keepalive_timeout/ to 90, rather than the default 65. So far, it seems to work, but I need further testin

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

True, some applications are very long-lived. But in my experience, a great many applications are EOL'd within 20 years. It may happen for many different reasons, some technical, some political, some because the technology has grown out of date (which causes HR and support difficulties). My point w

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Hmmm, this is worrisome. My JRMPC competition opens for registration in less than a month, and registrants may use either Windows or Mac. Since the competition is based on Pharo 7, it is absolutely crucial that Mac-using registrants be able to successfully run Pharo 7. Since my Mac mini died last

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

Personally I don't like the aesthetics, the pace of text and its "nostalgia", and the overall message of the song lyrics ; and although I like the band and song, it's a proven plagiarism of Satriani's "If I could fly". [1] Putting aside the song's controversy, I think it's a lovely aesthetic. I

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