jtuchel wrote > Am 10.01.20 um 10:16 schrieb Marten Feldtmann: >> That happened once in the history of Smalltalk and the big player was >> IBM ... > > Well, twice actually ;-) > Many people might not know that HP once was a Smalltalk vendor with > their distributed Smalltalk (which was actually a white-label copy of > VisualWorks iirc/iiuc)... > > Big corporations do not warrant the success of a technology. We'd still > be using OS/2, BS2000, whatever... today if that was the case.
True, but major tech adoption *can* greatly increase public mindshare. C#, TypeScript, Golang, Kotlin, Swift, and Rust are good examples. > So let's stop trying to convince people with things that mattered some > 20 years ago. Even the function point thingie we keep carrying in front > of our bellies (Capers-Jones was it?) is a lie when you want to build an > application for today's markets. I disagree that it's a lie. The study is based on thousands of projects and millions of lines of code over a period of several decades, including recent years with languages like C#, Ceylon, Dart, Elixir, F#, Golang, Haskell, Haxe, Julia, and LiveScript. Some of these are cutting-edge languages used for modern applications. > Smalltalk is great. If you don't need a mobile app to accompany your > product. It's great if your GUI doesn't have to be sexy as hell or you > are happy reinventing wheels. It is great if you only ship to PCs or on > the web and don't need a lot of interaction in the browser. Anything > else is hard in Smalltalk. If it's not, it is undocumented. Well, perhaps not for ALL mobile apps, but Cordova is certainly used for cross-platform mobile development. I've used it with Amber and PharoJS and the documentation is pretty good. People also use React Native, so there's no real reason to avoid JS. > I am not sure if energy spent on these "syntax fits on a postcard and, > btw, we have the balloon" articles could be better spent doing > something about the problems I mention here. I was in the same boat in > the late 90ies and early 2000's with my blog and articles and stuff. All > I found out was that nobody actually cares about these old hat stories. > Heck, a lot of people these days don't even care about maintainability. > You don't like it any more? No prob, we can redo it in this great new > (JS) framework anyways. It's not an either-or situation. We can market Smalltalk *and* address the technical weaknesses of Smalltalk. For example, I'm doing the former and you guys are doing the latter. What's the problem? It would be nice if more Smalltalkers got involved with Smalltalk marketing. I can't do this forever. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html
