Re: oauth2 with GMail?

2021-09-26 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2021-09-26, Hokan wrote: > On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 09:03:39PM -0000, Grant Edwards wrote: >> >> What did you provide for your application's URLs when you create the >> application for use with mutt? > > It looks like I didn't enter anything for App doma

Re: oauth2 with GMail?

2021-09-26 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2021-09-26, Hokan wrote: > Don't app-specific password act like second passwords and give full > access to your Google account (not just mail)? When you create the app-specific password it asks what type of app it is. For mine, I selected "mail", so hopefully that only allows acces to mail (h

Re: oauth2 with GMail?

2021-09-26 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2021-09-26, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2021-09-26, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: > >> You have to create an "application specific password" in this case, >> ignore everything about "domains" as it doesn't apply. >> >> Also once you've cr

Re: oauth2 with GMail?

2021-09-26 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2021-09-26, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: > You have to create an "application specific password" in this case, > ignore everything about "domains" as it doesn't apply. > > Also once you've created your "application specific password" you > can use it for gmail on all your computers even those using

Re: oauth2 with GMail?

2021-09-26 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2021-09-26, Tavis Ormandy wrote: > On 2021-09-26, Grant Edwards wrote: >> I'm trying to figure out how to use oauth2 for SMTP/IMAP (mostly SMTP) >> with Gmail [...] >> >> But, I get stuck when I get to the rather vague part of the >> in

Re: oauth2 with GMail?

2021-09-26 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2021-09-26, Marcelo Laia wrote: > Please, could you see if that thread helps you? > > https://github.com/marlam/msmtp-mirror/issues/28 No, it doesn't help. My question is about how to create an "application" at Google without a domain. That thread and the pages it reference are about how to us

oauth2 with GMail?

2021-09-25 Thread Grant Edwards
I'm trying to figure out how to use oauth2 for SMTP/IMAP (mostly SMTP) with Gmail by following the instructions at https://luxing.im/mutt-integration-with-gmail-using-oauth/ But, I get stuck when I get to the rather vague part of the instructions that say to go to https://console.cloud.google

Re: How to generate html mime message?

2021-02-14 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2021-02-14, Sam Kuper wrote: > On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 10:19:07PM -0000, Grant Edwards wrote: > >> After a couple years of that, they turned of the SMTP server, so you >> can only use Outlook or the OWA web API. No more using mutt for >> work... > > Off-topic, bu

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-12 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2021-02-12, Derek Martin wrote: > On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 05:09:36PM -0000, Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2021-02-12, Derek Martin wrote: >> >>> as I would have to be monitoring the logs to make sure the e-mail >> >>> was actually sent. >> >&g

Re: How to generate html mime message?

2021-02-12 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2021-02-12, Paul Gilmartin via Mutt-users wrote: > On 2021-02-12, at 03:15:00, Amit Ramon wrote: >> Peng Yu [2021-02-07 16:34 -0600]: >> >>> I just want to generate the HTML mine message. The instruction >>> requires the set up of mutt, which I want to avoid. Is >>> `bin/plain2html` for genera

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-12 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2021-02-12, Derek Martin wrote: > >>> as I would have to be monitoring the logs to make sure the e-mail >>> was actually sent. >> >> You do (or you need to make sure that you receive bounce/retry/failure >> notices properly). > > You don't... every major MTA has a tool for monitoring the outgo

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-01 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2021-02-01, José María Mateos wrote: > I was thinking about this. I have offlineimap running, so I have a > local copy of all my mail, but the SMTP connection still goes > through my mail provider, not locally. While I can appreciate the > increase in speed that a local rely can offer, I wonde

Re: Save to Last Folder used for Saving

2020-12-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-12-30, Michael Klemm wrote: > after a short hiatus from mutt of about 15 years, I have started to use > it again. I have tried to find an answer to the following question > through Google, but I failed to find the right search terms. > > When saving an email to an IMAP folder, I would li

Re: toggle thread

2020-11-09 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-11-09, Globe Trotter via Mutt-users wrote: >>I use Alt-Shift-v and I think that is the default binding. HTH > > Thanks, very much, interesting (not easily intuited) sequence. Hence the manual. http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/#threads

Re: Going GUI...er

2020-05-02 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-05-02, Derek Martin wrote: > On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 06:57:14PM +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: >> Moreover, you appear to be committing the logical fallacy called >> "argumentum ad populum" (aka "majoritarianism"). > > No, because accepted practice is determined by the majority (in this > case o

Re: Alt-Arrow bindings in termite

2020-04-17 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-04-18, Derek Martin wrote: > Termite emulates an RS-232 terminal--a simple (AKA "dumb") ASCII > terminal, whereas rxvt has a more complex interface that allows > sending and receiving a variety of control sequences to represent > when someone has pressed a key with a modifier key (like Al

Re: Going GUI...er

2020-04-05 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-04-04, Vegard Svanberg wrote: > However, I'm increasingly finding myself having to resort to various > tricks to deal with HTML only emails (with picture attachments), > calendar invites, and other oddities and awkward stuff people send. I hever had that much trouble _reading_ HTML email

Re: Creating HTML emails with mutt

2019-11-01 Thread Grant Edwards
fit to the markup-language apparoach is that for some reason I find that when proof-reading something in a different "format" I spot more errors than I do when proof-reading the "source" as I typed it. I remember the same being true from my days using TeX/LaTe

Re: Creating HTML emails with mutt

2019-10-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2019-10-30, Derek Martin wrote: > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 10:31:19PM -0000, Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2019-10-29, martin f krafft wrote: >> That's true (as I understood the problem, anyway). Fortunately, I >> never needed to send a signed message with an attac

Re: Creating HTML emails with mutt

2019-10-30 Thread Grant Edwards
this argument, so maybe age isn't > that relevant. Just because I've realized that my need for effective communication requires that I create multipart HTML/plaintext messages it doesn't mean I'm not grumpy about HTML mails... I just know when I've lost the battle. --

Re: Creating HTML emails with mutt

2019-10-29 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2019-10-29, martin f krafft wrote: > [/home/grante/bin/unmime.py: html rendered using w3m] > Regarding the following, written by “Grant Edwards” on 2019-10-29 at 17:09 Uhr > -: > > Muttdown (a “sendmail” filter) which creates mutlipart alternative html/ > text me

Re: Creating HTML emails with mutt

2019-10-29 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2019-10-29, (Nuno Silva) wrote: > On 2019-10-29, John Long wrote: > >> On Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:50:05 -0400 >> Patrick Shanahan wrote: >> >>> * Grant Edwards [10-29-19 13:10]: > [...] >>> > Muttdown (a "sendmail" filter) which cre

Re: Creating HTML emails with mutt

2019-10-29 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2019-10-29, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Grant Edwards [10-29-19 13:10]: > >> Muttdown (a "sendmail" filter) which creates mutlipart alternative >> html/text messages is the only reason I've been able to continue to >> use mutt for the past 5-6 years. Ab

Re: Creating HTML emails with mutt

2019-10-29 Thread Grant Edwards
easy-to-read email (the recipient has to save it as a text file and open it with notepad++ in a fixed font for it to be readable). -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Go on, EMOTE! at I was RAISED on thought gmail.comballoons!!

Re: Migration : Dealing with Outlook users

2019-09-06 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2019-09-07, Italo Penna wrote: > I'm a UNIX user trying to move from a GUI email ( Thunderbird ) to mutt. > However most of company employers are MS Outlook users and, as expected, > all them send html emails with tons of awkward stuff like tables, > in-line images and meetings appointments

Re: Unsubscribing from mailing-list threads (was: Preferred way to get imap emails)

2019-07-30 Thread Grant Edwards
e. > > This. Having used slrn in the past, I was surprised mutt didn't have > some kind of killfile mechanism readily available (or, if it's > available, I have completely missed it). That's one of the reasons I use slrn rather than mutt for following mai

Re: Preferred way to get imap emails

2019-07-27 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2019-07-27, Pankaj Jangid wrote: > I have very recently switched back to mutt. My 1st question is - is > the preferred way to get imap emails in the mutt inbox. I've been using mutt with Gmail for 10-15 years, and I just point mutt at Gmail's IMAP server and leave all of the email on that ser

Re: order of sending mail and saving to fcc

2019-06-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2019-06-04, Jack M wrote: > On Tue, June 4, 2019 10:46 am, Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2019-06-04, Jack M wrote: >> >> >>> The reason (or *a* reason) is that the old way led to the following >>> situation: Fcc first, then try to send, something weir

Re: order of sending mail and saving to fcc

2019-06-04 Thread Grant Edwards
tt prints an error message and stays on the message compose screen. It's pretty obvious... > and so has to contact the recipient. (The Fcc'd copy contains no > information to tell the user whether the mail was sent.) This was > not a rare occurrence. -- Grant Edwards

Re: Viewing sent mail

2019-05-13 Thread Grant Edwards
the string 'Sent', you can do this: Press 'c' Press '=' Press '[' Press Type 'Sent' Press Press -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! With YOU, I can be at MYSELF ... We don't NEED gmail.comDan Rather ...

Re: Inbox folder doesn't work anymore

2019-05-07 Thread Grant Edwards
(and has for many years). -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Either CONFESS now or at we go to "PEOPLE'S COURT"!! gmail.com

Re: choices on reading HTML emails

2018-04-13 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2018-04-13, Jens John wrote: > On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, at 21:34, Grant Edwards wrote: >> I have my mailcap entry set up so that "viewing" an html message uses >> w3m but "printing" an html message opens it in chromium > > Many thanks for pointing me to the

Re: choices on reading HTML emails

2018-04-10 Thread Grant Edwards
quot; test -f "$URL" && URL="file://$URL" expr match "$URL" '.*://.*' >/dev/null || URL="http://$URL"; exec chromium "$URL" -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Am I elected yet? at gmail.com

Re: choices on reading HTML emails

2018-04-10 Thread Grant Edwards
/html -dump; copiousoutput; print = chromiumurl %s; $ cat ~/bin/chromiumurl #!/bin/bash URL="$1" test -f "$URL" && URL="file://$URL" expr match "$URL" '.*://.*' >/dev/null || URL="http://$URL"; exec chromium &

Re: Reply with another email as attachment?

2018-03-14 Thread Grant Edwards
nd that another disadvantage of bouncing e-mails to addresses that aren't contained in the message headers is that some e-mail systems will think they're spam and discard them. What I don't grok is how an SMTP server would differentiate between a bounced message and a bcc'd messag

Re: html signature?

2018-03-07 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2018-03-07, Matthias Apitz wrote: > On Wednesday, 7 March 2018 20:13:52 CET, Grant Edwards > wrote: >> On 2018-03-07, Matthias Apitz wrote: >>> >>> I'm used to receive my mails via fetchmail+procmail+mutt and >>> mails in HTML >>> are in

Re: html signature?

2018-03-07 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2018-03-07, Matthias Apitz wrote: > On Wednesday, 7 March 2018 19:37:39 CET, Scott Kostyshak > wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 06, 2018 at 08:06:12PM +, Grant Edwards wrote: >>> >>> I've noticed that the handling of text/plain by popular GUI MUAs has >>&g

Re: html signature?

2018-03-07 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2018-03-07, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > On Tue, Mar 06, 2018 at 08:06:12PM +0000, Grant Edwards wrote: >> >> I've noticed that the handling of text/plain by popular GUI MUAs has >> gotten so bad in past few years, that I'm now reluctant to send mail >>

Re: html signature?

2018-03-06 Thread Grant Edwards
oticed that the handling of text/plain by popular GUI MUAs has gotten so bad in past few years, that I'm now reluctant to send mail in that format. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! The PINK SOCKS were

Re: hide identical mails within the same thread

2018-01-22 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2018-01-22, Ben Boeckel wrote: > On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 15:32:50 +0000, Grant Edwards wrote: >> Why not just delete the duplicate e-mails? >> >> That would seem to be a more efficient way of "always hiding them". > > The problem arises when using notmuch

Re: hide identical mails within the same thread

2018-01-22 Thread Grant Edwards
= "duplicate message" and invert it, then > use that to (by default "l") the display. > > l!~= > > Should be able to wrap that in a folder-hook if you want it to always > take place. Why not just delete the duplicate e-mails? That would seem

Re: How to tell GUI MUAs to show message in a fixed font?

2017-07-19 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2017-04-26, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2017-04-26, Will Yardley wrote: [...] >>> > > Is there anything one can do when sending a plain text e-mail message >>> > > to tell GUI-based MUAs that they should display it in a fixed font? [...] >> Send in H

Re: How to tell GUI MUAs to show message in a fixed font?

2017-06-22 Thread Grant Edwards
can't find it mentioned anywhere in the docs. All of the messages I compose with 1-long-line-per paragraph is still sent by mutt as text/plain. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! I always have fun at

Re: How to tell GUI MUAs to show message in a fixed font?

2017-04-28 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2017-04-28, Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 27.04.17 09:21, Darac Marjal wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 08:54:45PM +0000, Grant Edwards wrote: >> > OK, so how does one do that within mutt? >> >> I would suggest that the most prudent approach is to use a light

Re: How to tell GUI MUAs to show message in a fixed font?

2017-04-28 Thread Grant Edwards
text body into multipart-alternative containing the plaintext version and an HTML version comprising nothing but the plaintext message between tags. Another nice option would be support for running the text/plain body through markdown/RST/asciidoc in order to produce the html alternative. Unfort

Re: How to tell GUI MUAs to show message in a fixed font?

2017-04-27 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2017-04-27, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Grant Edwards [04-27-17 11:21]: >> On 2017-04-27, Darac Marjal wrote: >> > >> >>OK, so how does one do that within mutt? >> > >> > I would suggest that the most prudent approach is to use a lightwe

Re: How to tell GUI MUAs to show message in a fixed font?

2017-04-27 Thread Grant Edwards
ion > form) by a mailcap entry. The question was how to do it _within_ _mutt_ instead of preparing an HTML or PDF file externally and attaching it. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! When this load is at DONE I think I'll wash it gmail.comAGAIN ...

Re: How to tell GUI MUAs to show message in a fixed font?

2017-04-26 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2017-04-26, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día miércoles, abril 26, 2017 a las 07:18:30p. m. +0000, Grant Edwards > escribió: > >> > Why should a sender of txt mail be worried about how Gmail or any other >> > MUA is rendering a txt mail? Isn't this the respon

How to tell GUI MUAs to show message in a fixed font?

2017-04-25 Thread Grant Edwards
Is there anything one can do when sending a plain text e-mail message to tell GUI-based MUAs that they should display it in a fixed font? I would have sworn that a lot of GUI e-mail programs used to use a fixed-width font for text/plain content-tupe, but they no longer seem to do that. -- Grant

Re: Mailing list folders

2016-11-02 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2016-11-02, Mihail Konev wrote: > What is the supposed way of keeping messages from a mailing list in a > dedicated folder? I used to use procmail for this. Now I use slrn and news.gmane.org instead. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Let'

Re: Mailbox closed with gmail account

2016-10-07 Thread Grant Edwards
displays the message "Mailbox closed". I've already > looked around for a solution and as you can see at the end of my > configuration I tried setting a very small time interval to keepalive > and also mail_check, but still nothing. Here's what I use: set mail_check=90

Re: mutt smtp/pop

2016-07-28 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2016-07-28, dale wrote: > I get a reply from my ISP when I try to directly send, no message when I > use SMTP How do you "directly send" without using SMTP? -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! I don't understand

Re: [SPAM?] mutt deletes temporary HTML file before I can view it

2016-06-22 Thread Grant Edwards
temporary file when the viewer exits. Here's what I use for viewing .pdf files with atril: #!/bin/bash TMPDIR=$(mktemp -d) mv "$1" $TMPDIR NAME=$(basename "$1") setsid bash -c "atril '$TMPDIR/$NAME'; rm '$TMPDIR/$NAME'; rmdir '$TMPD

Re: Questions about gmail app passwords

2016-04-25 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2016-04-25, David Champion wrote: > * On 25 Apr 2016, Grant Edwards wrote: [regarding Google "app passwords"] >> Do you need different, unique passwords for mutt, imap, msmtp, >> offlineimap, and all other IMAP or SMTP clients on a particular >> machine? >

Questions about gmail app passwords

2016-04-25 Thread Grant Edwards
;app specific" seems to imply, after all it's not "app+machine specific"]. Or is mutt on machine A considered to be a different "app" than mutt on machine B? I've got probably 5-6 IMAP/SMTP client apps per machine on 3 different machines. Am I going to need 18

Re: Using a sendmail replacement?

2016-02-21 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2016-02-21, li...@2ion.de wrote: > On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 08:45:19PM +0100, Gabriel Philippe wrote: >> I found nullmailer, but it is designed for a system-wide use: >> conffiles in /etc/, stuff in /var, etc. I'm not sure I would manage to >> have it work differently. >> >> Any idea? > > I am

Re: Do not load attachments until asked for

2015-11-30 Thread Grant Edwards
hen I'm looking for some particular large attachment and have to open a series of messages to find the one I want. On those occasions I often open up the Gmail web UI instead... -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! I feel ... JU

Re: Sort by newest in thread?

2015-09-29 Thread Grant Edwards
ry week or two I'd tell myself "there's got to be a setting for that -- I should look into that when I have a second..." -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! The Korean War must at have been fun. gmail.com

Re: Fwd: MAP "mailbox closed" with Outlook.com

2015-07-17 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2015-07-17, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2015-07-17, Aurélien Rivet wrote: >> The problem is that my mutt can't >> keep an IMAP connexion for a longtime and I get a "mailbox closed" >> message at the bottom after a random time. > Try setting imap_keepa

Re: Fwd: MAP "mailbox closed" with Outlook.com

2015-07-17 Thread Grant Edwards
has finished with them. The default is well within the RFC-specified minimum amount of time (30 minutes) before a server is allowed to do this, but in practice the RFC does get violated every now and then. Reduce this number if you find yourself getting disconnected from your IMAP server

Re: Mutt on ssl gmail "allow unsecure apps" == off => webalert

2015-06-25 Thread Grant Edwards
hut, and locked _by_Google_, and 100% under control _of_Google_. Mutt has not be "secured" by Google, therefore it is not secure. 1/2 ;) I still use Google for e-mail, because it sucks less that all the other options I've tried... -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards

Re: display html email in browser?

2015-04-28 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2015-04-28, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2015-04-28, Grant Edwards wrote: > >> Yep. What many of us do is use w3m to view inside mutt, and then >> define a 'print' command to view it externally: >> >> text/html; w3m -T text/html -dump; copiousoutput

Re: display html email in browser?

2015-04-28 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2015-04-28, Grant Edwards wrote: > Yep. What many of us do is use w3m to view inside mutt, and then > define a 'print' command to view it externally: > > text/html; w3m -T text/html -dump; copiousoutput; print = firefoxurl %s; Uh, in case your crystal ball was brok

Re: display html email in browser?

2015-04-28 Thread Grant Edwards
//$URL"; if $MRC 'ping()' 2>/dev/null ; then echo 'firefox already running' echo $MRC "openURL($URL,$CMD)" $MRC "openURL($URL,$CMD)" else echo 'firefox not running' echo firefox "$URL" firef

Re: Mutt setup advice for novice..

2015-03-22 Thread Grant Edwards
want to leave your mail on Google's servers (which is what I do), then you'll want to use IMAP. If you want to send mail via the GMail STMP server, the SMTP feature in mutt works fine -- that way you don't have to set up an MTA (qmail, sendmail, postfix, etc.) on you

Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

2014-11-03 Thread Grant Edwards
tp $ make $ sudo make install -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Am I in GRADUATE at SCHOOL yet? gmail.com

Re: Mutt and Exchange

2014-09-09 Thread Grant Edwards
you may be able to use the davmail gateway http://davmail.sourceforge.net/ -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Oh my GOD -- the at SUN just fell into YANKEE gmail.comSTADIUM!!

Re: How do I set the time zone from which mutt sends email?

2014-07-09 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-07-09, Derek Martin wrote: > On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 06:33:40PM +0000, Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2014-07-09, Derek Martin wrote: >> > On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 02:48:07AM +, Dave Kuhlman wrote: >> >> My email server is in a different timezone from whe

Re: How do I set the time zone from which mutt sends email?

2014-07-09 Thread Grant Edwards
ezone. He wants to use his local timezone. Changing the TZ environment variable to match his local timezone should work (modulo possibly broken libraries that don't handle the case where a user's timezone and the system's timezone are different). -- Grant Edwards gra

Re: Does mail_check work on IMAP? (Slow checking time)

2014-04-15 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-04-15, Chris Down wrote: > Grant Edwards writes: >> I though mutt supported IMAP's IDLE command. That should reduce the >> latency to well under a second. > > At least in my experience, IMAP IDLE on mutt results in sporadic > lockups (on Google Apps, at leas

Re: Does mail_check work on IMAP? (Slow checking time)

2014-04-14 Thread Grant Edwards
oxes for new mail). I though mutt supported IMAP's IDLE command. That should reduce the latency to well under a second. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! ! Up ahead! It's a at DONUT HUT!! gmail.com

Re: Multiple accounts on one IMAP server problems

2014-02-26 Thread Grant Edwards
109 gmail-imap4 74.125.142.109 [I haven't actually tried either of these...] -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Did I SELL OUT yet?? at gmail.com

Re: How does mutt react to another mail program reading the same mail?

2014-01-18 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-01-17, fe...@crowfix.com wrote: > Ever since, the linux mutt has aperiodically closed the mailbox with > a message which disappears too quickly for me to see, and usually > happens when I am not looking at email anyway. This happens several > times a day. It sometimes, but not even a ma

Re: mutt native SMPT support vs Postfix?

2014-01-08 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-01-08, Kim Christensen wrote: > On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 02:23:31PM +0100, Richard Z wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 04:48:18PM +0000, Grant Edwards wrote: >> > On 2014-01-04, Ulrich Lauther wrote: >> > Do you need/want outbound messages to be q

Re: mutt native SMPT support vs Postfix?

2014-01-08 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-01-08, Richard Z wrote: > On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 04:48:18PM +0000, Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2014-01-04, Ulrich Lauther wrote: >> >> > Recent posts made me aware of the fact, that mutt supports SMPT. So >> > far I have been using postfix for mail tr

Re: mutt native SMPT support vs Postfix?

2014-01-06 Thread Grant Edwards
r (incoming mail). This allows outbound mail to be handled (and logged) by a single method for multiple sources (mutt, cron, whatever), but configuration is far simpler than postfix/qmail/sendmail. http://msmtp.sourceforge.net/ -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! What I

Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-21 Thread Grant Edwards
y way to look up the answer is to already know how the answer is spelled. For this particular question, googling "emacs reformat paragraph command" gets you the answer in the summary shown for the first hit -- but that's only because I knew what phrase to google... :)

Re: How to fetch inbox for a newly mutt client (gmail account)

2013-04-19 Thread Grant Edwards
k (at least it never has for me). Mutt doesn't allow you to enter mailbox names with spaces in them. It will, however, auto-complete names with spaces. To get to All Mail, you have to enter '=[Gmail]/All' and then hit [Tab] followed by [Enter]. -- Grant Edwards

Re: opening +[Gmail]/All Mail is slowish

2013-04-15 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2013-04-13, James Griffin wrote: > Wed 10.Apr'13 at 14:25:10 +0000 Grant Edwards >> On 2013-04-10, James Griffin wrote: >> >> > Well, yes I do have an archiving system but really i'm only interested >> > in keepi

Re: opening +[Gmail]/All Mail is slowish

2013-04-10 Thread Grant Edwards
. It takes several extra steps to delete it from 'All Mail'. Why should I do that extra work? What do I gain? Having that message sitting in All Mail doesn't cost me anything, and there have been several times when I deleted something and later needed it. Fortunate

Re: opening +[Gmail]/All Mail is slowish

2013-04-09 Thread Grant Edwards
quot;google way". Google's philosophy is roughly this: since disk space is free and unlimited, and Google's search/tagging is so utterly cool, there's no cost to keeping all mail forever. OTOH, there _is_ a cost in deleting an e-mail that you later find out you need. -- Grant E

Re: opening +[Gmail]/All Mail is slowish

2013-04-07 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2013-04-07, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 04:01:25PM +0000, Grant Edwards wrote: >> >> Usually if I get to the point where I decide I'm going to have to look >> in "All Mail" for something, I fire up a browser and do it via the >> GM

Re: opening +[Gmail]/All Mail is slowish

2013-04-07 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2013-04-06, Jonny Osch?tzky wrote: > Hi Nick, > >> The local read test really seems to indicate that it's not the database >> backend that is controlling performance when switching folders here. It is >> presumable network communication with Google's imap servers. And that >> presumably means t

Re: can not get mail from mail list which are send by myself

2013-01-10 Thread Grant Edwards
port 25 which is UNauthenticated. >> >> See the SMTP AUTH verb. Anything you can do on those oddball ports, > [lots of additional info deleted for brevity] > > Thanks. I only went by what I read in comments in /etc/sendmail.cf . If you keep looking at sen

Re: Using .muttrc while sending messages from command line

2012-12-04 Thread Grant Edwards
es Mutt to bypass the system configuration file. That may be telling mutt to ignore the configuration file that you're specifying with the -F options. I do the exact command above all the time (I have 4 different muttrc files. It always works fine for me without the "-n&quo

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-12-01 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2012-12-01, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 06:20:00PM +0000, Grant Edwards wrote: >> The main Python mailing list gets regular posts from Google Groups. >> Those posts are always malformatted (the formatting seems to change >> over the years, but it never

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-12-01 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2012-12-02, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Grant Edwards [12-01-12 11:07]: >> On 2012-12-01, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > ... >> > I am not explaining properly/sufficiently. Yahoo *requires* your posting >> > addr matches your smtp. > >:^) > >> Ah

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-12-01 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2012-12-01, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Grant Edwards [12-01-12 10:27]: >> On 2012-12-01, Patrick Shanahan wrote: >>> Yahoo now requires posting from a yahoo account via their smtp or >>> from their web service, >> >> Weird. I posted to a Yahoo

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-12-01 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2012-12-01, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Grant Edwards [11-30-12 21:13]: > ... >> I think the Yahoo list server can be used by anybody (I guess you have >> to sign up for a Yahoo account, to do admin stuff). They offer a web >> UI, but you don't actually have t

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-12-01 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2012-12-01, jim graham wrote: > On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 02:12:03AM +0000, Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2012-11-30, Jim Graham wrote: > >> > announcement type list for the freeware hurricane tracker (JStrack) > [] >> > It's a google groups list. > &g

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-11-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2012-11-30, Jim Graham wrote: > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 06:20:00PM +0000, Grant Edwards wrote: > >> I killfiled all postings from google groups years ago... > > Well, I suppose you'll never be on my list, then (it's a support and > announcement type list for

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-11-30 Thread Grant Edwards
m are always very badly written and rarely contain enough information to even guess what the poster is asking, let alone formulate a useful answer. Attempts to pry useful information from the poster usually prove fruitless. I killfiled all postings from google groups years ago... -- Grant Edwards

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-11-30 Thread Grant Edwards
y too bad. When I read messages in mutt that were composed in the Gmail web UI, they're usually OK. It's the Google Groups Web UI for newsgroups and mailing lists that's an unmitigated disaster -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Mr and Mrs PED, c

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-11-29 Thread Grant Edwards
use mutt as an MUA for GMail, but I neglected > to consider that small group. I think there are probably about seven of us world-wide, so statistically speaking we are completely negligible. :) -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Now I understand the

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-11-29 Thread Grant Edwards
rs of, say, GMail. There are those of us that use mutt as the UI for GMail. :) -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! does your DRESSING at ROOM have enough ASPARAGUS? gmail.com

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-11-29 Thread Grant Edwards
kind taught on real typwriters with paper and eraser by instructors trying to prepare people for entry into positions where typing correctly was your _job_ a couple mistakes in an important letter could put you on the unemployment line). -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-11-28 Thread Grant Edwards
re two kinds of people: >> >> 1) Those who oppose ambiguity >> 2) Those who are wrong > >[...] > > ok, thanks for clarifying that. Seems a very rigit method of judging > a person but hey, i'm sure you're right. Of course he's right. You can tell

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-11-27 Thread Grant Edwards
between good (wrapped lines and trimmed/interleaved posting) and evil (unwrapped lines and Microsoft-style top-posting). That war is always being fought even if it's out-of-sight. Seemingly innocuous events can spark a battle. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edward

Re: Multipart MIME

2012-11-27 Thread Grant Edwards
would be useful as-is in a procmail recipe -- it's intended for use when viewing messages, so you do "loose" attachements that aren't text/plain or text/html. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! My Aunt MAUREEN was a

Re: Viewing attachments with wrong MIME types

2012-11-19 Thread Grant Edwards
lliant! I've been swearing under my breath at Microsoft for _years_ because all of Outlook's attachements (other than MS Office documents) get sent as application/octet-stream. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! if it GLISTENS,

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