Horrific collision, preventable with 100+ year old technologies-- closed track
circuits and automatic block signalling systems--much less the more advanced
ETCS II or the US based positive train control systems.
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On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 12:14 PM, Kristin Bayrd wrote:
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> Done and done.
Not really, as nothing has been done to reduce, much less minimize, much less
prevent the capitalists abilities, needs, to restart the war. Isn't that what
the Marxist obligation is? To reduce, minimize, prevent that re
On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 11:30 AM, duen filan wrote:
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> , "The correct revolutionary Marxist position should have been as follows:
> to support fully all mass struggles and uprisings, whether armed or
> unarmed, against Nazi imperialism in occupied Europe, in order to fight to
> turn them into a v
On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 11:31 AM, abraham Weizfeld PhD wrote:
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> Ukraine is a terrorist State and so is the Zionist State as well.
As opposed to "non-terrorist" states like Russia? Turkey? India?
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> df: mark - "[My "single thoughtless line"] illustrates the trolling
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> It doesn't take me 5000 words to say what I think about George's
> pendejadas, "While Ukraine has every right to confront militarily the
> invasion it is incumbent on socialists in the imperialis
Have this film running in my head of Trump serenading Putin by singing Smokey
Robinson's "You Really Got a Hold on Me"
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> If you choose not to be a Marxist monk, search tools can be very helpful.
> I have not yet found an LLM, however, that reports having access to MEGA.
> But that's a logical step - once we have safe procedures for using an
> LLM.ut
MIA alr
What I don't get is the entire lack of class conscious perspective on the part
of both/either of the antagonists/proponents in this debate- like is anything
DW hopes for--"Ukraine liberating the eastern half of the country" possible
without a social revolution that deposes the current regime-- o
On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 02:02 PM, Tom Walker wrote:
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> What contradiction is that you may wonder? The tendency of capital, "on
> the one side, to create disposable time, on the other, to convert it into
> surplus labour." If capital succeeds "too well" it becomes unable to
> realize the surplus
I think the distinction is that AI is self-referential--not only is the
"information" it presents derivative, but is derived from links and chains
"validated" by the use of the AI itself. So user 1 reproduces information from
AI enterprise B, enterprise B then absorbs that very reproduction and
Hari:
1. the implicit endorsement refers to that made by CK, the original poster, not
the list.
2. When I had the bad manners to respond to a similar acritical reproduction of
similar liberal bourgeois talking points by the same original poster, pointing
out that the supposed "radical" columnis
On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 02:10 PM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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> We no doubt need an AI policy for contributions to this list.
FWIW, I'd suggest prohibiting reproduction of AI responses
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OK here's a challenge. According to a moderator:
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> So what? Again, even a liberal bourgeois ideologue may have knowledge or
> information of value. Those types get posted to this list on a regular
> basis.
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>
What knowledge or information of value does the above article by Haake p
On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 01:31 PM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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> That was interesting, but the phrase "the Stalinist-capitalist regime in
> Beijing" is a tortured ahistorical oxymoron in my view.
And all 3 at once! That's impressive.
But...not that I necessarily agree with MP's characterization, nor t
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> When Taiwan finally goes down, all of Asia will cheer, as it did after
> learning imperial Japan had just bombed the crap out of the white
> supremacist pigs' Pearl Harbour fleet.
>
>
First, the island sustained an indigenous populat
If we agree that the "truth is concrete" that means tendencies, trends, shifts,
movements in and between the classes embodied the mode of production can be
measured. So for your claim that China is replacing the US as imperialism's
"top dog" to be concrete it has to be manifest itself in the ca
On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 12:47 AM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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> So what? Again, even a liberal bourgeois ideologue may have knowledge or
> information of value. Those types get posted to this list on a regular
> basis.
They might, in theory. Thi s one doesn't, in practice
>
> So, if you consider Ge
On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 11:43 PM, Charles Keener wrote:
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> Masha has written a good deal about Ukraine. To dismiss them based on an
> excerpt from a single interview may not be just. It's probably my bad for
> sharing
> that small clip.
>
>
WTF? First the moderator says analyze the content,
Analyze the content? I'm all for that, although I wonder why MB didn't bother
to do that. Like that part around 345 in the interview when Gessen refers to
Zelensky as the only politician in Europe with the courage to stand-up for the
democratic values of Europe. Or that part where she blames t
On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 07:12 PM, Ben Seattle wrote:
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> My opinion is that China is gradually replacing the US as the world's top
> imperialist power.
>
>
What has occurred in the last ten years that specific to China provides
evidence that it is replacing the US as the world's top imp
Comrades,
Citing Gessen, a not-so-secret nostalgic for the times of Boris Yeltsin (
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/boris-yeltsin-quietly-challenges-putin
) is a very poor choice.
And the Europe she wants to preserve is capitalist Europe.
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>From the article:
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> While we support Ukraine’s military efforts to defeat Putin’s aggression,
> we oppose the Zelensky government and call for its replacement by a
> workers government based on popular councils and militias.
How is that manifested in program? Does creation of those popular c
Context would be great, Charlie. So exactly what is the context behind your
"snippets"? What exactly is your point? The US is/is not being eclipsed by
China? China is/is not emerging as a new hegemon. The US bourgeoisie don't
have ownership/claim to the greatest portion of profits allocated
First off, we've been hearing about the demise and replacement of US capitalism
in the world markets for years. Brazil, the pre-China, was supposed to be the
great replacement, then it was going to be the EU, then Japan, then the "Asian
Tigers," then China, then the BRICS, then China, then--wha
On Sat, Feb 22, 2025 at 11:13 AM, Kristin Bayrd wrote:
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> When I saw this subject head, I thought the argument would be that the
> recent reshuffling at the top might result in a coup of those being
> removed aligned with those who support them, but no
That's because you don't understand the me
On Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 08:43 PM, Marv Gandall wrote:
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> Goldman and Parpart argue that the Trump administration is more prescient
> than horrified liberal imperialists in recognizing that the US can no
> longer afford to act as Western capitalism’s global policeman and that
> some form of accom
Mark,
You are so right. Here we are wasting time which could be devoted to activist
causes. If only we could stop this repetition compulsion of vituperation.
My responsibility for my disruptive, provocative behavior is of course my
responsibility.
Your responsibility however is, and will re
Lets be clear, Moderator A uncritically linked to an article that praises the
Pope for being against dictators. I respond pointing out how the Pope when he
was a bishop wasn't so anti-dictatorial. And then because of the long history
of sexual predation, I indicate that referring positively to
You're betwixt and between? One party and only one party excuses child abuse
over decades by the church as a "trope"--improper use of the word btw--and
explains that everybody does it.
And you're betwixt and between?
Fuck you all.
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> Right, it's a huge disgrace, isn't it? It just makes one want to throw his
> armchair across the room, doesn't it?
Wouldn't know since I don't have an armchair. But I do think that those who
try to rationalize sexual abuse of children,
On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 02:32 AM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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> I have no intention of defending a Pope
says Mark Baugher who then goes ahead to do exactly that, defend the Pope, the
head official of an institution involved in:
--extermination of indigenous people worldwide
--conducted so-called reli
Speaking of the FROP (
https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2025/02/11/whats-up-with-capitalism/ )
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Why would we make such a judgment when the issue cannot be separated from the
nationalism that includes reclaiming the Panama Canal, designs on Greenland,
tariffs, claims to "control" Gaza?
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Sure does and it ain't what's advertised:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/14/pope-francis-argentina-military-junta
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/03/pope-francis-argentina-junta/317336/
etc etc etc
Besides, there's that problem of child molestation.
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Despite countervailing tendencies, the various studies I've seen all show a
similar trend for the US. A post-WW2 rise peaking around 67, an (uneven) drop
through the double dip recession 1979-1983, an uptick (financed by the attack
on wages--which actually peaked in 1973, but stagnated and fell
I think so. Michael Roberts has explored this on his blog
https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/. Just put "rate of profit" in the
search box. Many others have also researched this--Carchedi, Kliman, Estaban
Maito-- to get started and find good links to other sources, I recommend
Roberts.
Without a doubtoffset the tendency of the rate of profit to fall.
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On Sun, Feb 9, 2025 at 06:44 PM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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> Speaking of concrete relationships, our supply chains stretch around the
> world searching for what?
Not sure I understand the question--the supply chains are usually established
on the heels of finding the low-cost/right quality supplier
On Sun, Feb 9, 2025 at 03:54 PM, Tom Walker wrote:
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> the marginal utility theory is ltv wearing a mask.
This^!
and:
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> What it amounts to is a way to "not talk about labour value" by assigning
> a hypothetical utility to not-work, which is why Pagano referred to it as
> a semantic device.
I noted with dismay that this topic "disappeared" from the first page of the
list of topics without having drawn a single response. "Embarrassing," as
Dekker said in Blade Runner. So...
Marx pointed out that he did not discover nor originate the LTV. His
contribution was to find the answer to
Close the borders!
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Same problem, different language: which German edition?
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You've moved the discussion from tactics and into strategy and program with
your exposition on a "united front" around civil liberties, that somehow sees
an advantage in separating class content, and class analysis from both the
attack and defense. Civil liberties are not a thing in itself, no
My hard copy is an old Charles H Kerr edition. Haven't checked the Princeton U
Press edition
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Mark,
In focusing on the "noise" of MacVeety's post you are missing the signal which
the reactionary content of Kristin's posts- her support of the
characterizations and misinformation pumped out by the reactionaries around,
and of, Trump and Musk. That's the real issue.
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Part of the problem might be in generalizing from a small "sample size." The
massive anti-war marches in the 60s (and early 70s, but particularly the 60s)
were preceded by countless, smaller, and frequently more militant, disruptive,
actions which "publicized" the conflict and made the bigger d
In the unlikely event that anyone is interested, re intensification of labor
process, the below is from vol 1 Ch 15 of Capital:
>
> Generally speaking, the mode of producing relative surplus-value consists
> in raising the productive power of the workman, so as to enable him to
> produce more in
On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 12:53 AM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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> The tactic of shutting down traffic reflects the mistaken strategy of
> trying to force Democratic Party politicians to act at the expense of
> expanding the mass appeal of the movement. For many, it's a stunt to get
> more media coverage o
On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 10:19 PM, Kristin Bayrd wrote:
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> Maybe Trump is actually the uniter he said he would be. Wouldn’t that be
> something? For a century now, Marxists have debated the utility of voting
> for one of the bourgeois parties, the Democrats. What if that time is
> changing now? Wh
We don't support the US Congress either, does that mean we applaud the attack
of January 6? Maybe you, Kristin, do, but Marxists distinguish an attack based
on and in reaction from a protest, or conflict based on opposition to
exploitation and racism, and do not endorse Jan 6.
We don't shed a
Here's one more to consider:
In the refutation to Citizen Weston, (VP&P) Marx demonstrates that an increase
in the wage does not change the value of the commodity, but rather increases
the portion of the total value of the commodity going to the worker(s). The
value of the commodity, being in
On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 02:48 PM, Charlie wrote:
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> I quoted the course announcement from https://anticapital0.wordpress.com/.
> Much of the content on this website is signed by SA. So I compared the
> announcement with SA's three questions at the top of this thread. His
> questions show that he
On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 02:12 PM, Tom Walker wrote:
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> 'm not going to play sartesian's back and forth "gotcha" game. You only
> get one chance to move the goalposts with me before I drop the good faith
> assumption.
>
> My comment about volume 3 was not to deny the "authenticity" of the text
>
On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 02:02 AM, Tom Walker wrote:
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> but I would suggest that you don't parade your misunderstanding as a
> SUPERIOR understanding.
First, nothing here is about whose "understanding" is superior. The questions
refer to what are ambiguities, and conflicts, expressed by Marx in
The careful reader will note that Tom provides no answers. Rather he says the
questions themselves mistakes. So I'll put these directly to our
self-proclaimed Sandwichman
1. How does the productivity of labor, increased material output in the same or
reduced time, increase the rate of surplus
Well, Hari, what concretely in terms of agitational work, slogans, themes,
demands do you suggest?
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So what? I don't participate in that or any "School..." but I do have a
connection to this:
https://anticapital0.wordpress.com/the-relativity-of-surplus-value/
https://anticapital0.wordpress.com/law-ofvalue-production-prices-and-average-rates-of-profit-part-1/
https://anticapital0.wordpress.c
On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 06:20 PM, Michael Meeropol wrote:
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> but my favorite definition of a "Marxist" was from Georg Luckas (sp?) who
> claimed "orthodoxy in Marxism relates only to METHOD."
As in most other things having to do with the content of Marx's work, Lukacs is
also wrong in this. Th
On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 03:57 PM, Marv Gandall wrote:
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> *within the current constitutional framework*
All you need to know about the accuracy of Marv's analysis, Constitutionality
is of no concern to the reactionary bourgeoisie. MG remains the undisputed
master of self-delusion
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ask the list participants if they've ever considered certain apparent
self-contradictions in Marx's Capital?
* like the one between the labor-time law of value, and Marx's intermittent
affinity for the notion that increased productivity of labor can raise the rate
of surplus value?
* like Marx's
On Wed, Feb 5, 2025 at 08:27 AM, John Reimann wrote:
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> John Edmundnson justifies the "Marxists" doing nothing to oppose/warn
> against or organize against Trump
Of course, that's not the issue. Comrade Edmundson among others has warned,
agitated, opposed Trump. Reimann has his knickers all
https://anticapital0.wordpress.com/the-making-of-a-president/
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S. Artesian thinks that many of the people on this list don't pay attention to
current events. So you get statements like those from Steve:
So I think it is a mistake for critics of Trump to focus on "tariffs bad" when
they are not in and of themselves, indeed in the face of China's near monopol
I think you've just demonstrated how little those remarks tell us about the
reasons for the resurgence of protectionism
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> I get the impression that you did not read Engels' essay that Marv posted.
> Pardon me if I got that wrong. But the view expressed in that article was
> nuanced and not a "classic trick bag."
You got it wrong. As usual.
Maybe it was nuan
On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 09:58 PM, Marv Gandall wrote:
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> Capitalism has much evolved since 1888, but I still think Engels' On the
> Question of Free Trade is the best jumping off point for discussion of
> this subject:
> https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1888/free-trade/index.htm
>
>
Maybe DW, but you're assuming against all historical evidence, that capitalism
is rational, and the bourgeoisie can impose boundaries on the irrationality
that does erupt.
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> some of the original Trump tariffs on, say, something like aluminum
> imports, mostly from Canada, actually have worked. They didn't
> significantly increase costs and more domestic aluminum manufacturing
> investment increased.
Worked?
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On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 12:50 PM, hari kumar wrote:
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> However I recall an instance where you objected strongly to what Mark
> Baugher was saying on the term as applied to the question of underlying
> bases-superstucture
>
> issues. There Mark was citing the famous le
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> However I recall an instance where you objected strongly to what Mark
> Baugher was saying on the term as applied to the question of underlying
> bases-superstucture
>
> issues. There Mark was citing the famous letters of Engels - clarifyi
Not business as usual, but the usual business wielded as propaganda to
consolidate reactionary forces.
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Hari--
Thank you for the information. I will check into it. The charge of
"reductionism" has been raised against Marx as well as Darwin since the
emergence of their major works. The accusation is more than baseless. It's
reactionary, designed to preserve an ideology threatened by actual inq
Except your claim was the "illegals" were taking the jobs away from
African-Americans. That's a far cry from this brilliant piece of equivocation:
>
> I would not be surprised if immigration reduced the average wages of
> dishwashers, roofers, and other less-desirable jobs in various industries
Marv,
Believe it or not I wasn't criticizing you, but others who call the temporary
cease fire a defeat of Israel. I was trying to link that to those who said
that because Hamas survived, Israel was defeated.
Hence the use of the term irony.
In the past, when I have criticized your views, I'v
>
> Species adapt to environmental changes faster than can be explained by
> random genetic mutation which are then selected for survival in the new
> environment. They adapt by inheritance of acquired characteristics or by
> some process that, in hindsight, we will find resembles it in various
>
Thank Christ, the Hamas police survived the 470 day Israeli onslaught. Glory
to the glorious police, without whom there can be no nation.
I know irony doesn't carry well in digital format, but is it really possible to
consider the reemergence of this police force as a token of victory?
I wanna
So Joseph, what is the path forward that will end the oppression of
Palestinians?
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The article is very interesting in that it points out the weaknesses in the
empirical evidence behind Lenin's analysis.
But it does not provide empirical evidence one way or the other for:
>
> Obviously, out of such enormous superprofits (since they are obtained over
> and above the profits whi
RKOB has posted links to a number of articles claiming victories for the
oppressed that are enshrined in the rubble and debris of imperial adventures.
Just another example of what happens when ideology is more important than
reality.
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> Again, how do you organize against something that has not yet happened?
> How do you know what issues to choose and what tactics to adopt?
Easily- because, in fact, it's happened before--like separation of immigrant
families, like imperi
On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 10:42 AM, Anthony Boynton wrote:
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> Marxists must also defend any actions by the city administration to aid
> immigrants.
Defend any actions? What if the city sues to require ICE to secure court
warrants before raiding workplaces? We defend that action, and then when
On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 10:03 AM, Anthony Boynton wrote:
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> I think Yossi Schwartz is correct to call this a "strategic defeat" for
> Netanyahu and Israel, and I would add, for US imperialism. Netanyahu's war
> aims were fully backed by the United States, and Israel failed to fully
> achieve any
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On Sat, Jan 18, 2025 at 06:30 PM, Charlie wrote:
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> Get your gutter expletives out, Trotskyists,
WTF is the matter with you Charlie? You reproduce at will tracts from the
undisputed master of circular (un) reasoning, Grover Furr, the same Furr who,
unable to find a single bit of independent
Strategic defeat for Israel? I think the only strategy has been the
destruction of the ability of Gaza to sustain life, and that has been achieved.
You think Hamas can replenish itself? There won't be a weapon of greater
firepower supplied to Hamas by any country.
This has been a programmati
On Fri, Jan 17, 2025 at 07:54 PM, Marv Gandall wrote:
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> whether the *ceasefire* *a* ) *leads to a permanent cessation of the
> Israeli assault and the full withdrawal of its forces from Gaza, b)
> advances the prospects for a genuinely independent Palestinian state, c)
> results in the prosecut
I'll make it simple for you:
UCD
Ireland --industry concentrated in enclaves ( 6 counties), dominated by foreign
enterprises, tied to world markets.
Agriculture--large landed estates, low labor productivity, tied to world
markets. Little free farming. Small units of subsistence production with
>
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 07:09 PM, Mark Baugher wrote:
> My position is that Ukrainians have the right to self-determination in
> defending their national sovereignty from an invasion that seeks to end
> it. And this has nothing to do with the applicability of permanent
> revolution (Trotsky'st
On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 01:51 PM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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> I can't agree that you have more than half the story here. You're missing
> the dialectical relationship between structure (base) and superstructure.
1) OK, if I discern a conflict between means and relations of production as a
feature c
On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 09:42 AM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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> I don't think it's useful to reduce a human society to "the base" that
> directly determines "the superstructure." The relationship is too complex
> for that.
>
>
There's no reduction involved, rather it is a determination of cause whic
On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 05:36 PM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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> I don't think one can separate Trotsky's theory of permanent revolution
> from uneven and combined development, and I don't think one can separate
> Lenin's thesis on self determination and colonialism/imperialism. As far
> as UCD underlyi
On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 10:27 AM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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> The working people of an occupied (albeit capitalist) country will likely
> be worse off under occupation
That may or may not be true. The issue of self-determination cannot be
separated from that of permanent revolution. Both are the
0k Grover
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On Sun, Jan 12, 2025 at 07:21 PM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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>> ) the attempts to maintain the classification of the underlying social
>> struggle as one of self-determination must include a struggle against the
>> development of independent working class program and action; a struggle
>> against r
Charlie,
Has anyone ever pointed out how full of BS you are? I can't be the first.
First, I didn't say the fSU maintained pre-capitalist relations, I said that
the proletarian revolution could not overcome the LEGACY of pre-capitalist
relation, specifically the low productivity in agriculture
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