On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 12:50 PM, hari kumar wrote:

> 
> However I recall an instance where you objected strongly to what Mark
> Baugher was saying on the term as applied to the question of underlying
> bases-superstucture

> 
> issues. There Mark was citing the famous letters of Engels - clarifying a
> few years after Marx had died if I recall.

H- in that matter, Mark claimed that identifying a shared basis for uneven and 
combined development, permanent revolution, and struggles for 
self-determination in the conflict between the means of production and social 
relations of production - as Marx identified the onset of an era of 
revolutionary struggle-was reductionist.   He produced the quote from Engels 
but IMO missed the point is that all the variables MB characterizes as 
"superstructure" are in fact expressions of the social relations that Marx 
identified as a determining characteristic intrinsic to the mode of production. 
National identity is intrinsic to establishing a domestic market.

As for our resident QAnon/Grover Furr acolyte-- well as I pointed out he makes 
various claims and when challenged either goes silent or provides a mouthful of 
equivocation and calls that evidence.  Months ago over on Michael Roberts'  
blog, Grover Jr. claimed undocumented workers had displaced African-Americans 
from access to employment as janitors.  He never provided any evidence despite 
being challenged to do so.  On this site, he produces the "ifs" "perhaps" and 
"maybes" that are worthy of a Fox news talking head, like Newt Gingrich.

Waddington's body of work is very interesting but "genetic assimilation"a) does 
not prove " that species adapt to environmental changes faster than can be 
explained by random genetic mutation which are then selected for survival in 
the new environment."   b) was regarded by Waddington himself to be identifying 
a genetic process in keeping with Darwinian evolution c) was regarded by  some 
evolutionary biologists to be an iteration of Lamarckian theory.

It is well known that heat and stress can alter the development of an embryo.  
Among other things the variations in heat can alter gender proportions in 
embryonic populations.

It is accepted, I believe, that applications of heat and stress can cause the 
expressions of characteristics  that are genetically based but normally 
suppressed or dormant absent the application of the stress.  Waddington himself 
agreed that most structural changes in an organism were initiated by genetic 
mutation, which should tell us what we need to know about time frames.

What I'd like to know if the genome of Waddington's fruit flies were ever 
examined and compared to the genomes of a control for the   purpose of 
determining if the heat and stress had produced a mutation or the expression of 
an already existing trait.


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