RDC and voice over

2009-11-30 Thread Simon Fogarty
Hi Folks, I've been helpping a workmate today setup Remote desktop connection between a mac, running SL and a pc running xp pro. We were playing with a program called RDC which is made by Microsoft by the looks of it and runs on the mac platform.and works just like windows RDP (remote desktop )

rdc

2009-11-30 Thread anouk radix
HEllo, The microsoft rdc client is listed on the accessibility website. I just downloaded the newest version and will try it with a sighted person hopefully soon. I am not sure if he would have to install a jaws demo for example for it to work. Greetings, Anouk, -- You received this message be

Re: unison

2009-11-30 Thread Scott Howell
If you e-mail him, he will respond. I've been bugging him on/off about adding support for html. THis is the only thing that limits me from effectively using Unison. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:47 AM, anouk radix wrote: > Hello, I tried unison yesterday with a sighted friend (via teamviewer) and we >

Re: running mac sl on a pc?

2009-11-30 Thread Scott Howell
The Mac OS cannot be easily run on a PC, even under a VM from my understanding. It is also in violation of the ULA and illegal to do so. If he wants to try it out, he should buy you dinner and earn a little time trying it out on your machine. :) Even if he did manage to get it running on a PC, h

Re: unison

2009-11-30 Thread anouk radix
Hello, yeah i did email him already. If he would just make that group list accessible, unison accessibility as a whole would really improve a great deal. Greetings, Anouk, On Nov 30, 2009, at 11:37 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > If you e-mail him, he will respond. I've been bugging him on/off about ad

Re: running mac sl on a pc?

2009-11-30 Thread anouk radix
Hi Scott, yes I know its illegal but thats his problem not mine. I also heard about the hackintosh project which would allow you to run os x natively on a pc (there is even a podcast about it on blindcooltech) but it does not seemto be ideal and thats why I wondered if it cant be done vertually

Re: unison

2009-11-30 Thread Scott Howell
Agreed, I wish he would. In fact he said he would do this and that, but he had other issues for the next version. Yeah, well I think in the end I probably wasted my money because I am pretty certain a new version isn't coming out any time soon and I seriously doubt he will do anything to address

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Chris Hofstader
The problem, in the US at least, isn't the actual accessibility of any of the solutions but, rather, how entrenched the products and sales people have become in the culture of said agencies. FS has held a big lead for a long time and virtually every AT trainer in the US knows at least one FS s

Re: looking for an editor to be used for programming

2009-11-30 Thread Tyler Littlefield
I just tried using nano for a quick project on the mac, (pico actually) over a ssh connection, and when I tried to read previous lines the whole thing locked up. On Nov 29, 2009, at 10:46 PM, Mitchell Smith wrote: > MacVim is quite accessible with VoiceOver. > > You can also tweak it a little t

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Scott Howell
Chris, very good points and I have to agree with your observations. On Nov 30, 2009, at 7:31 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: > The problem, in the US at least, isn't the actual accessibility of any of > the solutions but, rather, how entrenched the products and sales people have > become in the cult

Re: unison

2009-11-30 Thread anouk radix
Hello, he told me recently too that there would be a new version soon. Its a real pity since unison is the only usenet client that works on sl I think. Hogwasher is even costlier and I hear it has not been updated in ages. I must say htough, I bought transmit, also from panic and I asked them a

auto complete

2009-11-30 Thread william lomas
hi i note that when typing in the address bar of safari, you can see a table in that dialogue of the auto complete entries -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@g

iphone

2009-11-30 Thread John W. Carty
I've been playing with the iphone in the apple store and the learning curve seems pretty signifigant but manageable. However, with a moderately noisy environment I had real difficulty hearing the screen reader. With some experimentation I learned that it has to be speaking in order to change t

Re: iphone

2009-11-30 Thread Scott Howell
Agreed a noisy environment makes listening difficult, but to be honest the audio quality is much better than the Motorola Q I was using. An earpiece is really the best solution. Keep in mind the volume of the internal speaker will be different from the volume of the earpiece you plug in to the p

Re: iphone

2009-11-30 Thread May McDonald
I also wish they would fix the volume issue when in noisy places, but for now I deal with it. The vibrate is good enough that if I'm in a noisy place I still feel my phone and I can then check the call once I stick the head phone in my ear. On 2009-11-30, at 8:09 AM, John W. Carty wrote: > I'v

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter
gI think you've hit it right on the head--the blind are removed from the capitalist marketplace "for their own good." If we abolish the agencies, a lot of blind people would be left like fish flopping on the floor of a boat--having never been taught the principles nor given the power to co

Re: iphone

2009-11-30 Thread Donna Goodin
Just to offer a different perspective, I don't like messing with headphones, so I don't. Though it is true that sometimes I end up holding the phone pretty close to my ear, if the environment is really noisy, most of the time I have gotten used to the volume, and usually find I can work th

Re: iphone

2009-11-30 Thread Nicolai Svendsen
Hi, I can easily hear it, but that was after I asked them to take me to an office with the iPhone. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Nov 30, 2009, at 5:09 PM, John W. Carty wrote: > I've been

Re: iphone

2009-11-30 Thread Nicolai Svendsen
Hi, How would they fix that? Short of telling everyone to shut up. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Nov 30, 2009, at 6:34 PM, May McDonald wrote: > I also wish they would fix the volume issue

Re: iphone

2009-11-30 Thread May McDonald
Easy, by making so that you can make the volume louder when in noisy places and that it doesn't get all distorted. On 2009-11-30, at 9:47 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > How would they fix that? Short of telling everyone to shut up. > > Regards, > Nic > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico

Re: iphone

2009-11-30 Thread Nicolai Svendsen
Hi, You got a distorted voice? I didn't even get that. But then, I used an earpiece. Not sure if that makes a difference. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Nov 30, 2009, at 6:58 PM, May McDona

Re: iphone

2009-11-30 Thread May McDonald
Yes, without headphones if you put it at the max it's very distorted. On 2009-11-30, at 10:20 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > You got a distorted voice? I didn't even get that. But then, I used an > earpiece. Not sure if that makes a difference. > > Regards, > Nic > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Me

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Chris Hofstader
I often share the frustration but I don't think the blame is entirely with the agencies. People blind from childhood are far more likely to be independent than are those of us who, like me, went blind later in life from RP or some other degenerative disorder or accident. The kids are "in the s

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter
You, and I to a lesser extent, and others are the exception. I was born blind, didn't go to any institutions for the blind, was raised as an only child, mostly in rural Vermont with minimal help from state agencies. Graduated from Dartmouth when I was 20, again with minimal if any help fr

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Chris Hofstader
My only valuable experience with an agency was learning the little bit of braille that I know at a local Lighthouse. I've had lots of friends work at such places and I believe they do as good as they can under constant budgetary pressures and I think these people do so with hope rather than my

iPhone Question

2009-11-30 Thread Richie Gardenhire
Hi,I'm considering buying an iPhone some time after the first of the year. My question is this: Even though I have set the iPhone up to work on my Mac Mini, for example, but my wife wants to use it for herself, when she goes on business trips, can she use her PC settings in Windows, or do

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Tyler Littlefield
Hello chris, I haven't followed this thread, but I will put in my two cents where I've had experience. The main thing is the comment about the advantages of blind people from birth; while it may be easier to deal with, I've seen many people go blind at early ages (before teens) and in their teen

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread carlene knight
Hi Mark: I certainly don't hold a grudge as everybody is entitled to their opinion. However, if it weren't for the Commission for the blind here in Oregon, there is no way that I could perform the job I was hired for. I had to have a programmer write JAWS scripts so that I could get to the bu

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Tyler Littlefield
Mark, Reading your message, I have a lot of respect for you, and those like you. The blind community is littered with people who would've given up, or who make these agencies their life and conform to them. I recently attended the youthslam convention NFB hosted this last summer, in the

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter
extra-Name doesn't sound familiar. When I got accepted to Dartmouth and started in 1986. I rarely went back because my parents and I didn't get along so well. I also found that training at the Carroll Center was far too slow for me, but the computer guy, Brian Charleston, recognized that

Re: iPhone Question

2009-11-30 Thread Charlie Doremus
No, you cannot have one iPhone and jump back and forth from mac mini to PC and then back to the mac. Every time you connect the iPhone to a machine the phone recognizes what is running and one must restore the iPhone and start over. So, if you connect to your mac mini load songs from your itunes li

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter
Hi, Carlene. You are a perfect example of my point. Generally put, they did not teach you to fish, they gave you some fish. Hell, I'm writing this on the Macbook DOR of California bought me; listening with the hearing aids they bought me... Maybe I'm a hypocrite, but I'm forced to use t

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter
The biggest way in which the sighted have power over the blind is just that; they teach the blind to pity themselves, to be dependent on the sighted and not upon themselves. Thank you for the kind words, by the way; I only hope I can earn them. :) I fall far short of my ideals in this res

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread carlene knight
You've got a point. I wish I could do all of this on my own. OCB has been willing to step in after my employment to help me, but I know that many organizations don't. They do sign over expensive equipment which you are then responsible for getting repaired regardless of your income. I don't

Re: iPhone Question

2009-11-30 Thread May McDonald
That's not true. It will ask if you want to merge your settings. The phone can be used with both systems. I did that for a while before I got rid of my pc. On 2009-11-30, at 11:52 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote: > No, you cannot have one iPhone and jump back and forth from mac mini to PC > and th

Re: iPhone Question

2009-11-30 Thread Richie Gardenhire
Thanks for answering my question. And I apologize for the typo when sending the aforementioned, above message earlier. I meant to send a copy to Macvisionaries. Sorry about the goof. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Nov 30, 2009, at 11:08 AM, May McDonald wrote: That's not true

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Richie Gardenhire
And for this reason, I feel that many state agencies, (Alaska's, being one of them)will be cutting back services, in favor of other things and as Mark so eloquently pointed out, the elderly, the poor, and the disabled, will be hurt first. I know thisis a different subject line from what wa

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter
I am flattered that I made you think; that's the highest of compliments, thank you. It seems to me that the system is bass- ackwards. Instead of saying "what do you need?" and gently showing you how you can assist yourself, in other words assisting you to not need assistance, they say "thi

text Edit Busy?

2009-11-30 Thread Donna Goodin
Hi all, I was just working on a document in Text Edit. I went into the Font menu to try and change the font, and when I did, I started getting the message "Text Edit Busy", but the message would not go away, and I couldn't close the program. Has anyone else seen this? Is there anyway to

RE: text Edit Busy?

2009-11-30 Thread John W. Carty
I don't have an answer but in evaluating a mac for my future leap I've encountered applications busy msg. Is this related to limited ram? -Original Message- From: Donna Goodin [mailto:goodi...@msu.edu] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:48 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject:

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Scott Howell
Well there ya go Mark, you said it and I couldn't agree more. I didn't have the agencies etc. since I don't think my folks really knew about them. I grew up in a sighted world so to speak and learned to get along and work with what I had. THe county I lived in provided the tools to get through s

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread carlene knight
Unfortunately you have to be realistic though. I agree with you in a sense, but going into a store and buying JAWS or Window Eyes off of the shelf? That would be nice? that's one reason I like the Mac and accessories. The people in the Mac and Apple stores will likely not be trained for exte

spreadsheets

2009-11-30 Thread John W. Carty
I'm looking to make the leap to a mac and currently I heavily use spreadsheets so can anyone who uses lots of spreadsheets that utilizes multi sheet references, formulas, functions, if logic, etc let me know how numbers performs with vo? Thanx, John Carty -- You received this message becau

Re: text Edit Busy?

2009-11-30 Thread Donna Goodin
I think it depends on the app. I get this in Safari when pages are loading, but it always goes away. This is the first time I've seen the Mac get "stuck" in busy mode. On Nov 30, 2009, at 3:46 PM, John W. Carty wrote: > I don't have an answer but in evaluating a mac for my future leap > I'

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Scott Howell
And that is why I'm very supportive of what APple has done and will continue to do and I hope they do just that. On Nov 30, 2009, at 3:23 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: > And for this reason, I feel that many state agencies, (Alaska's, being > one of them)will be cutting back services, in favor o

Re: iphone

2009-11-30 Thread Scott Howell
I'm not sure what can be done really. You are dealing with a very small, but clear speaker and a limited amount of horsepower to drive it. Honestly it's one of the better speakers I've heard, but once you crank the volume up, it will start to distort. On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:34 PM, May McDonald w

Re: text Edit Busy?

2009-11-30 Thread carlene knight
Hi Donna: Try pressing Command Option Escape all at once. A dialog should pop up asking you which program you want to quit.. Simply arrow to Text Edit which will probably say not responding and hit enter. The program has crashed. On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi all, >

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter
As long as the blind define themselves as "disabled," they will have this problem. It's paradoxical, because as I said, I don't really like to be around lots of blind people all together in a group, and yet we, the blind people, need some sort of cohesive teaching / enabling power that wil

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter
It's not a total failure, until it is, and then it'll be a spectacular failure. It's a quick-fix solution for a quick-fix world, where your food comes from a tube and your cure from a pill, where you travel 80 miles an hour to go nowhere. While this might sound like I"m disparaging Wester

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter
My first visit to an Apple store, the guy said "what over? Voice what? Oh, you mean that speech synthesizer program? we don't have that." When I showed him VoiceOver, instead of being helpful, he became defensive; "Well how'm I supposed to know about that? no one's ever used it before."

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Scott Howell
Mark, very interesting. I once was on a flight and this nice young lady started asking me about my dog. The conversation quickly turned to questions about being blind, about how I work with computers and the like and eventually to her showing me an Iphone. THis was before the iPhone was accessib

Mac mini meats the putty knife

2009-11-30 Thread ben mustill-rose
Hey all. Guess who's just been given a mac mini, which quite honestly is the best computer I've ever touched! However all is not well, this mini seems to be getting a bit hot and bothered - ie: when doing anything intense it will get hot then shutdown; I understand this is actually a feature. I w

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Scott Howell
Ah, well that is a good question. I'm a Program Manager for Work/Life and Benefits in human resources, but from a policy side of the hr world. You can check out http://nasajobs.nasa.gov or http://usajobs.opm.gov. Good luck, On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > It's not

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter
I love conversations like that! It's a rare treat for me when someone comes up and says, basically, "You're different from me and that fascinates me, and I want to learn." Usually what I get is "You're different from me and that makes me afraid, so I'm going to control what I fear so tha

Re: Mac mini meats the putty knife

2009-11-30 Thread John André Netland
Hi Ben, There was a podcast about this on MacWorld some time ago. With instructions. But I can not remember the title of the episode. Search for mini and I think you will find it. Hope this helps, John André On 30. nov. 2009, at 22.12, ben mustill-rose wrote: > Hey all. > > Guess who's just

Re: Mac mini meats the putty knife

2009-11-30 Thread Scott Howell
Ben, I haven't tried this myself, but I do understand you'll hear all sorts of cracking and other noises that are apparently scary sounding. I'm wondering if it is dust or something else. What version of the OS is it running, how much ram, and where are you encountering the issues with overheati

Re: text Edit Busy?

2009-11-30 Thread Esther
Hi Donna, You can force quit any app by pressing Command-Option-Escape, and then choosing the application you want to quit if you cannot exit regularly. I've not seen this behavior with TextEdit, but I don't usually try to change to specific font selections. I've read that one source of o

Re: text Edit Busy?

2009-11-30 Thread carlene knight
I only have to do the steps I mentioned when the program won't shut down with Command q and it's giving you a nonstop busy signal. It will tell you in the box that comes up whether the program is responding or not. If Text Edit is not responding then simply hit return to select it and then rel

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter
Yep, I troll those sites all the time. :) Thanks. Mark BurningHawk Baxter Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To pos

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread carlene knight
or better yet, call Microsoft and tell them that Apple is making their products accessible out of the box, why can't they. :) I agree with you 100% I have always hated the word "disabled." It sounds like everything is disabled, not just my eyes. I love my work place because people have disc

Re: text Edit Busy?

2009-11-30 Thread Donna Goodin
Thanks! I knew something like that existed. I tried Command Option Q, but to no avail. Best, Donna On Nov 30, 2009, at 3:55 PM, carlene knight wrote: > Hi Donna: > > Try pressing Command Option Escape all at once. A dialog should pop > up asking you which program you want to quit.. Simply a

Re: spreadsheets

2009-11-30 Thread Esther
Hi John, John W. Carty wrote: > I'm looking to make the leap to a mac and currently I heavily use > spreadsheets so can anyone who uses lots of spreadsheets that > utilizes multi sheet references, formulas, functions, if logic, etc > let me know how numbers performs with vo. I'm going to p

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread carlene knight
Urrggg! We could get into a discussion about the NFB as I think they have made a lot of things worse in pretending we don't have different needs than the sighted workd. but I think that's an OT subject. I could write essays about it though. As I said, the sales people at Apple stores should

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Richie Gardenhire
With all due respect, that argument has been used time and time again. To that, I say this: the best example of a product that has gone down in price because of the acceptance of it by the sighted community, is the optical scanner, which was originally intended for use by the blind for sca

Re: text Edit Busy?

2009-11-30 Thread Donna Goodin
Thanks, Esther. this was the first time I tried to set the font in a document, so I wasn't sure if it was user error. I'll give this another try. What does one do if there is a corrupted font file? thanks, Donna On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:20 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Donna, > > You can force quit an

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Richie Gardenhire
Scott, I never would have had my interest peaked about the iPhone, were it not for my niece, Elisabeth, who had one and though she didn't show me how to operate it, she thought it could be adapted so that blind people could use it. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Nov 30, 2009, at

RE: old vo manual on accessibility site

2009-11-30 Thread M. Taylor
Hello Charlie, Here is the contact information for the Lighthouse store from which you may purchase Apple user guides. Mark Lighthouse For The Blind Adaptations Store Info Adaptations San Francisco 415) 431-1481 x301 or x305 214 Van Ness Ave. San Francisco, CA 94102 adaptati...@lighthouse-sf.org

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter
Exactly so. The fact is that I forget that I'm seen as disabled because I'm the strongest person in my world. To me, many people who try to "help," me are the ones in desperate need of help themselves, but I realize that this point of view is just switching the shoe to the other foot and

Re: text Edit Busy?

2009-11-30 Thread carlene knight
Donna, to quit an application it's Command q, no option key. Command Option escape is the force quit command when the program won't respond with Command q.. HOpe that helps. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:37 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Thanks! I knew something like that existed. I tried Command Option Q

Re: Mac mini meats the putty knife

2009-11-30 Thread Richie Gardenhire
I wouldn't risk doing this if I were you for the simple reason, one the casing has been tampered with, unless one knows what they're doing, the Mac Mini would be hard to put back together again. If it shuts down, chances are, it's a safety feature, although it shouldn't; Mac Minis run fair

Re: text Edit Busy?

2009-11-30 Thread Donna Goodin
Got it. thanks. Donna On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:56 PM, carlene knight wrote: > Donna, to quit an application it's Command q, no option key. > Command Option escape is the force quit command when the program > won't respond with Command q.. HOpe that helps. > On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:37 PM, Donna Go

changing the font in a document

2009-11-30 Thread Donna Goodin
Hi all, In short, how does one do this? I have incorporated text from 2 different documents, and want to make sure the font is the same throughout my final document. I've tried Command-T, but I just get some weird text underline menu. Thinking about it, I guess my question is twofold: 1

Re: text Edit Busy?

2009-11-30 Thread Esther
Hi Donna, I think that corrupted font files are in the rare but possible category, which is why this is a source of "mysterious" problems. What I've noted is that when I run heavy-duty diagnostic and disk repair software -- like Alsoft's Disk Warrior, which can reconstruct and repair syst

Apple Mail and a Mac Mini Question

2009-11-30 Thread Richie Gardenhire
Hi, I'm having trouble sending mail on my Mac Mini. I checked the settings on both my iMac and Mac Mini and both settings for each account are identical. However, on my Mac Mini, I keep getting a message that says: "The SMPT server is not responding," or "The SMPT server has timed out."

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Tyler Littlefield
I'm with you on the anarchy, though I've chosen to just stay close mouthed about things I disagree with and take what I get and smile. If there is someone who I see is the same way or who I might be able to help by possibly pushing them off the ideals track, I'm totally willing to do so, though

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread carlene knight
I know that the companies take huge advantage of the fact that they have a guaranteed nitch and can charge whatever they want. That's why I will not upgrade my JAWS SMA. For one thing I don't need it and secondly, I don't want to pay that kind of price for an upgrade, but FS knows that they ca

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Tyler Littlefield
Why are you dependent on agencies to do stuff? Your just as capable as they are of doing the research. More than likely your more capable because you won't just go with the normal and will choose what you like for whatever reasons. The hunt for accessible software is hard at times, but it's not

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Tyler Littlefield
It would, in fact be great to see jaws in the stores, but that'd just give FS a reason to double the costs. That and stocking jaws on shelves that won't ever need it. The stores actually have to pay for it, then pay for the new version when a new one comes out, etc. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:50 PM,

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Scott Howell
Hey Richie, so now that the iPhone is accessible, what does she think about that? Considering she thought it was possible and now it is, she must be pretty impressed. :) On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:54 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: > Scott, I never would have had my interest peaked about the iPhone, >

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Tyler Littlefield
It would figure that it was the NFB. I went to a tech meeting there, and discussed the history of technology. While there they discussed how much the NFB affected technology and used examples, but they forgot to mention other companies; Voiceover, window eyes, speak up, orca, etc. I found it mil

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter
I'm not good at covert, except insofar as the art of invisibility is concerned, and for me that has limited applications as of yet. I cannot stand to be disrespected to my face. Only recently have I been able to tolerate having someone be rude to me over the phone or by E- mail and take it

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Tyler Littlefield
it doesn't bother me really. I just laugh and know that I'm at least helping one person, which is what I care about. If the rest want to throw themselves in with the flock and kneel at the feet of the people in NFB, so be it. More power to them. While that might sound arrogant, it's more of a wa

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter
in 1990, when OutSpoken for the Mac came out and I was using it at my place of employment, I was asked to demonstrate it as a visually impaired computer users group in Boston, MA. I got up there and demonstrated it with four part harmony and feeling, and the guy from MS got up and started

non contiguous file selection; can it be done?

2009-11-30 Thread Ray Foret jr
Hello there, I was just trying to perform non contiguous file selection and I can't seem to do it. I thought maybe holding down the control key would allow me to arrow through files and press the space bar to select the ones I really wanted. I also tried command+shift+up and down arrow with n

Re: old vo manual on accessibility site

2009-11-30 Thread Charlie Doremus
Thank you Mark. I personaly don't read Braille but my partner and I are attemping to spread the word about Apple computers and vo. It is our hope to put an Apple in the hands of every blind person who would like, and this information is very helpful. I will forward your info to people whom

Re: old vo manual on accessibility site

2009-11-30 Thread Charlie Doremus
Barbara, I have just learned that Braille manuals for the mac are available from the lighthouse in San Francisco. Here is the information Aloha, Charlie On Nov 30, 2009, at 11:54 AM, "M. Taylor" wrote: > Hello Charlie, > > Here is the contact information for the Lighthouse store from which

-- Apple Mail and a Mac Mini Question

2009-11-30 Thread David McLean
Not sure if this was a typo but it's smtp. If you typed it as smpt in your smtp server it won't work. On Nov 30, 2009, at 5:19 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: > Hi, I'm having trouble sending mail on my Mac Mini. I checked the > settings on both my iMac and Mac Mini and both settings for each

Re: Mac mini meats the putty knife

2009-11-30 Thread Jake
Hi Now, here's something I've done quite a few times. The general process of opening up the Mac Mini is as follows: 1. Get a putty knife or other flat instrament. If you don't want to scratch the case, plastic is best although with a stronger metal knife this is actually easier but much more likely

Re: Apple Mail and a Mac Mini Question

2009-11-30 Thread Maxwell Ivey Jr.
You probably checked this, but what about the selection in mailboxes for taking accounts online? good luck, Max On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: > Hi, I'm having trouble sending mail on my Mac Mini. I checked the > settings on both my iMac and Mac Mini and both settings fo

Re: Apple Mail and a Mac Mini Question

2009-11-30 Thread Richie Gardenhire
I did that; still can't send mail. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:34 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: You probably checked this, but what about the selection in mailboxes for taking accounts online? good luck, Max On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote:

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

2009-11-30 Thread Richie Gardenhire
When I told her I was considering getting an iPhone after the first of the year, she said, "Why wait till then, when it's possible you may get one for Christmas." Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Hey Richie, so now that the iPhone is acc

Economics and the Mac

2009-11-30 Thread Richie Gardenhire
Why not have a provision in the Healthcare Bill, where this would include covering the cost of a screenreader as a medical expense, much in the manner that wheelchairs and certain types of hearing aids are covered? Quite frankly, I don't think it would fly simply because Congress would the

Re: Economics and the Mac

2009-11-30 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter
Are you kidding? they won't even pay for abortions for women who really need them, I doubt anything funded by *our* government will pay for a screen reader. Mark BurningHawk Baxter Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net

Economics and the Mac

2009-11-30 Thread Richie Gardenhire
I have changed the subject line to more reflect on the discussion at hand. If Apple can set aside resources to make their Mac computers universally marketed across the board, there is no reason why Microsoftshouldn't, (and they definitely have the resources and the technical expertise thro

serching this mac?

2009-11-30 Thread trahern culver
hey guys some times i press keys on my mac and v o sais "serching this mac" but what does that mean? and what keys do i press to do this? your help with this would be most welcome!!! kind regards trahern. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisiona

Re: non contiguous file selection; can it be done?

2009-11-30 Thread Robert Carter
Hi Ray, When you are in a list of files where you want to do a noncontiguous selection, do the following. 1. locate the first file that you want to select and interact with the list and it will be selected. You can verify this with VO+F6. 2. Press VO+shift+F3 to turn cursor tracking off. 3. H

Re: non contiguous file selection; can it be done?

2009-11-30 Thread Esther
Hello Ray, Robert did an excellent job summarizing how to do non-contiguous selection in a list. I'll just add that VO-Command-Space is a toggle action -- if you want to undo a selection that you added by mistake (and discovered by reviewing the list of selected files using VO-F6) you can navi

Re: changing the font in a document

2009-11-30 Thread Israel
Hi Donna, 1. To hear text attributes, control + option + t If in Text Edit, you'll here the size, font family name, and whether the line is aligned left right or center 2. command + t should bring up font choices where you can pick which font family, the size, and I can't recall what other choi

Re: changing the font in a document

2009-11-30 Thread Donna Goodin
Hi Israel, Thanks! I will try this out in the morning, but I'm sure it will help. thanks for setting me straight on Command-T versus Vo-T. :) Best, Donna On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:22 PM, Israel wrote: > Hi Donna, > 1. To hear text attributes, control + option + t > If in Text Edit, you'll here t

Re: Economics and the Mac

2009-11-30 Thread Lynn Schneider
I purchased my first Apple computer about three months ago. I will never forget the feeling of complete surprise and joy at being able to just turn the iMac on and get it talking within minutes. Microsoft is not to blame for not having default Windows access out of the box, blind people are to

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