CV,
Well, collecting data, I personally said yes to the bit that said, can Apple
collect, xyz, data in diagnostic form… There is a wide range of things that it
says this includes, and you can be pretty confident it includes accessibility
data.
its all anonymous anyway. Ultimately though, I hav
True, but there is a high probability that if you have VO running you
probably are visually impaired. Likewise my previous test of MSAA being
in use on a machine also does not guarantee the user was running a
screen reader or even had a disability, but it didn't pass the sniff
test. I have know
Hi,
I get your point but, how does using voiceover identify your disability? I
mean, you could have a print impaired or be blind after all. Thats like saying
opening garageband makes you a musician. :)
Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info
Well, I'm not sure it would pass the 'yuck' test for many people if they
found out Apple was identifying their disability by probing their device
and not asking permission. Personally identifiable or not. In the states
the FTC just put out
http://www.ftc.gov/os/2010/12/101201privacyreport.pdf
Chris,
Its anonymous, Apple are not probing your computer, they are probing a
computer. There is in law, a difference.
Your example of what you were doing can cause issues legally as cookies and
other such internet based tools collect data which is personally identifiable
Regards,
Neil Barnf
That's fine.
On 2 Apr 2012, at 07:30 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> These two brf files are on snowy kitty. Is that okay?
>
> Eugenia Firth
> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>
>
>
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 1:01 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>
>> Hey GiGi!
>>
>> A brf file? please send it to me.
>>
>> Kawal.
I think if it came out that Apple was probing your system to figure out
if you are using assistive technology (which probably means you have a
disability) and did this without asking you first, the press and various
advocate organizations would have a field day around violation of
personal priv
Chris,
Its anonymously collected, so would breach no privacy laws, none that I know
of...
I honestly and firmly believe that they would collect this data. Why on Earth
wouldn't they?
Regards,
Neil Barnfather
Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather
TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory
These two brf files are on snowy kitty. Is that okay?
Eugenia Firth
gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
On Apr 2, 2012, at 1:01 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> Hey GiGi!
>
> A brf file? please send it to me.
>
> Kawal.
>
> On 2 Apr 2012, at 06:37 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>
>> Hi Marc.
>> People have
Hey GiGi!
A brf file? please send it to me.
Kawal.
On 2 Apr 2012, at 06:37 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> Hi Marc.
> People have said that you have to forget everything about other screen
> readers when learning VoiceOver. I agree with that, and I don't. Interacting
> is a different concept bu
Hi Marc.
People have said that you have to forget everything about other screen readers
when learning VoiceOver. I agree with that, and I don't. Interacting is a
different concept but once you understand that interacting is a way of
restricting where the screen reader's cursor goes, then it ma
Just have to tackle each task one at a time and ask here if you can't
find a tool or technique.
As far as networking goes, it's all TCP/IP on the internet so there
really is no such thing as a 'mac' network or a 'windows' network.
Granted Windows does some proprietary things for discovery but
I suspect doing this in today's heightened awareness of consumer
tracking and privacy, probing people's machines to discover if they were
using voiceover would be full of legal landmines. Many do not want to
self-identify as having a disability or have that info pried out of
their system config
Hi, Marc,
As long as you're willing to jump right in, and not make many screen-reader
comparisons between Mac and windows, and you enjoy learning new ways of doing
things, then just dive right in. This is what I did, and I haven't regretted
it. I got my Mac Mini about two years ago, and I was l
I just wanted to thank all for the info they've given me so far, it's
much appreciated! I kind of disappeared, I know, due to a busy
weekend. I will be picking people's brains over the next little while
so please have patience with me too! Really appreciate the info about
fb, gmail and twitter btw.
Hi I'm Jenny,
I found it hard to make the switch at first, but with the people on this list
and some patience I wouldn't go back to windows if you paid me. My husband has
a PC and I use it begrudgingly if I have to since that's where all our music
is. I don't yet have an external drive for my
Hi,
I use another twitter client that works wonderfully on my Mac but for the life
of me I can't remember what it is.
Mark Burninghawk recommended it to me and it works like a charm. Maybe he'll
see this post and be a little less bubble headed when it comes to the name than
I am at the mome
Hi Mark,
As no one seems to have actually answered any of your questions...
I can tell you that I occasionally use facebook and gmail. The facebook site
currently works fine but I'm still on the old one. I haven't tried the new
timeline yet, and who can say what the thing will look like in 6
Real good thought, if you ask me.
CJ
On Mar 31, 2012, at 5:42 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote:
> this has just triggered an idea and if there's anyone on list working for
> apple, an apple developer or beta tester, here's the idea.
>
> so that apple is more aware of who has purchased a mac, wheneve
Hey welcome! Go for the Mac! You'll never regret it. Johnny
Cakes
On Mar 28, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Marc Rocheleau wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I'm a transplant from the viphone list here and this is my first post
> to MacVisionaries... be gentle.
>
> In the same way I used that list to educate myself b
I'm sure you are correct that they do track this, but again it would be nice to
know how and how that data is being aggregated. In other words, do they look
only at the instances of VO being used or how often etc. All good data points.
I am sure they do track this and I never thought they may no
Wow, wouldn't it be fairly easy for apple to track voiceover users when you
first do the setup. I would think it would be fairly easy for them to detect
that voiceover was running. if not, I can only imagine it would be easy for
them to simply ask that as part of the setup. I do realize that
Scott,
If you go on your iPhone into Settings/Location Services/System Services, or
whatever it is called at the very bottom, you'll note in their the diagnostic
location thingie... this of course just relates to diagnostic tests requesting
your location... but, its my belief that Apple send da
Ah, well that makes sense and one expects some sort of learning curve when
switching from one OS to another. WOUld be no different then if you were
switching from one version of a software program to another when a number of
new features are added.
On Mar 31, 2012, at 12:34 PM, Sarai Bucciarell
You know that is a good point and perhaps what would be interesting is when
such data is shared and if that is included. I had forgotten about the
diagnostic data which I also turned on for all devices.
On Mar 31, 2012, at 11:01 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
> I do not know for sure, but
Hi:
My dad received a Mac for Christmas. He to finds it challenging, and he is
sighted. It is a learning curve.
On Mar 30, 2012, at 8:54 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
> I agree with you totally. It was a challenge when I switched too, but lists
> like Mac visionaries helped a lot.
>
> Thanks fo
I do not know for sure, but, since Apple send anonymous user data back to
themselves from the OSx, assuming you've not said no to this, they probably
have the diagnostics and reporting side of things let them know if your Mac or
iOS device has Voice Over enabled or not... This would just make se
This is an interesting idea and would be a nice data point to capture.
On Mar 31, 2012, at 8:42 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote:
> this has just triggered an idea and if there's anyone on list working for
> apple, an apple developer or beta tester, here's the idea.
>
> so that apple is more aware of
Hi,
not a bad idea. I would make 1 small correction. Instead of the person
stating their disability, or, the fact that they are even disabled, I would
just ask if they use any accessibility features, and have them check off which
ones. they use. Voiceover, zoom, etc.
Ricardo Walker
rica...@
this has just triggered an idea and if there's anyone on list working for
apple, an apple developer or beta tester, here's the idea.
so that apple is more aware of who has purchased a mac, whenever you purchase a
new mac, start up and register your mac, you should be able to fill in a
question
Ricardo,
True and we also must remember that Apple is not able to track each time a
blind/visually impaired user purchases a Mac because they aren't ordering it
from a company that sells products to that community. YOu are buying your Mac
from the Apple store etc. So, although APple has a prett
I really can't argue with that. selecting text on the web is quite a chore on
the Mac. I think Safari, and lack of accessibility or efficiency of a office
suite for power users of such applications is the Macs greatest weakness at
this point in comparison to jaws with windows. But progress is
In addition, what I find interesting when I read Windows users write about
their Mac experiences is they often seem to forget that learning Windows was
not easy. Obviously, years of experience and use does tend to make one forget
that all of the little things that one does with Windows that
I agree with you totally. It was a challenge when I switched too, but lists
like Mac visionaries helped a lot.
Thanks for letting me voice my opinion.
On Mar 30, 2012, at 8:25 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> THe greatest challenge in my opinion for someone who has used WIndows and a
> WIndows-ba
THe greatest challenge in my opinion for someone who has used WIndows and a
WIndows-based screen reader such as WIndow-EYes or JAWS is the effort in
unlearning everything you previously learned.
Like it or not and I'm not interested in creating a flamewar here, but reality
is how you interact wi
HI there,
I am going to create some controversy probably with my post.
I think the mac has some amazing features like being able to use the trackpad,
having easy access to many different languages, using any mac you encounter on
equal footing, having a stable system, etc.
I will say that the
Hello there,
It's funny you mention flash because one of my big questions is
browsing the web. I use sites like facebook, gmail, etc... on a
regular basis and was wondering how easy/difficult they are to use
with a Mac and VO -- I know facebook is a pain to navigate through
with jaws on my PC some
Hi Mark
I would like to say that the two biggest problems, and it's not a problem for
everybody, our tables and PDF files if you need to fill out forms. I have
gotten around this by telling one of my customers that tables were not an
option right now. That is a choice I had. Not everybody has th
Hi Mark,
Give me a call. I'm a full service ADP consultant and trainer specializing in
mac systems and accessories. Happy to answer any questions you may have by
phone or email, or set you up a product demonstration.
Best,
Erik Burggraaf
Currently on ebony promos: Ebony consulting on android
Hey,
I also have some YouTube Videos posted about the Mac and some of the
features. All the videos are described but if you have trouble understanding
let me know.
Search HTV2, which stands for FHow to be Blind, or Mike Malarsie and it
should start bringing them up. Take care!
M
The best place to start is by listening to the podcasts done by Mike Arrigo on
the BlindCoolTech.com site. When I decided to get a Mac a couple of years ago,
I started there and they really helped me out.
Good luck,
Kevin M.
On Mar 28, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Marc Rocheleau wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I
Hey all,
I'm a transplant from the viphone list here and this is my first post
to MacVisionaries... be gentle.
In the same way I used that list to educate myself before purchasing
an iPhone, I'm hoping to learn some stuff about the Mac here since I'm
thinking of making the jump. Seeing as how I h
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