I think if it came out that Apple was probing your system to figure out
if you are using assistive technology (which probably means you have a
disability) and did this without asking you first, the press and various
advocate organizations would have a field day around violation of
personal privacy. But, I'm not a lawyer and, in this case, it's all
conjecture. I do know that I was contacted by some folks from a large
web advertising company about my coding an MSAA detector on web
browsers. It eventually got shot down by their privacy folks for the
aforementioned reason. So my opinion is not without some basis.
CB
On 4/2/12 2:57 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
Chris,
Its anonymously collected, so would breach no privacy laws, none that I know
of...
I honestly and firmly believe that they would collect this data. Why on Earth
wouldn't they?
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On 2 Apr 2012, at 16:46, Chris Blouch wrote:
I suspect doing this in today's heightened awareness of consumer tracking and
privacy, probing people's machines to discover if they were using voiceover
would be full of legal landmines. Many do not want to self-identify as having a
disability or have that info pried out of their system config and a company
that did that secretly or otherwise would probably have a PR mess once it was
found out.
CB
On 3/31/12 8:42 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote:
this has just triggered an idea and if there's anyone on list working for
apple, an apple developer or beta tester, here's the idea.
so that apple is more aware of who has purchased a mac, whenever you purchase a
new mac, start up and register your mac, you should be able to fill in a
questionnaire stating it's use, etc and if so include the option for disabled
users including blind users. this way, each purchased system, or operating
system or application supplied by apple logs details of blind users, so it
gives apple a greater area of support to push for changes in voiceover and app
support.
just a thought on this.
lew
On 31 Mar 2012, at 10:53, Scott Howell wrote:
Ricardo,
True and we also must remember that Apple is not able to track each time a
blind/visually impaired user purchases a Mac because they aren't ordering it
from a company that sells products to that community. YOu are buying your Mac
from the Apple store etc. So, although APple has a pretty good idea of the
number of VoiceOver users, they probably do not know the exact to the last
person number. So, Apple does listen even if you think at times they are not.
On Mar 30, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
I really can't argue with that. selecting text on the web is quite a chore on
the Mac. I think Safari, and lack of accessibility or efficiency of a office
suite for power users of such applications is the Macs greatest weakness at
this point in comparison to jaws with windows. But progress is being made. If
anyone has used safari with tiger or leopard, and compared that to snow leopard
or Lion, they would see what I mean. lol. Or, even iWorks 2008 which was
completely inaccessible, to iWorks 2009 which has some accessibility. That's
why I urge everyone to write Apple sharing some of your thoughts in regards to
topics like this. How else can we honestly expect Voiceover to improve without
feedback. It doesn't matter how small, or insignificant the idea or complaint
might be. Its been my experience that its the little things like adding a
keystroke to check the time that really can enhance the user experience of a
product.
Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info
On Mar 30, 2012, at 7:59 PM, Ioana Gandrabur<igandra...@gmail.com> wrote:
HI there,
I am going to create some controversy probably with my post.
I think the mac has some amazing features like being able to use the trackpad,
having easy access to many different languages, using any mac you encounter on
equal footing, having a stable system, etc.
I will say that there are enough areas where I find windows (in my case with
jaws) easier to use or more smooth, consistent to use
I have not used other browsers than safari and I find that when pages contain
frames it is harder to find relevant information on a page, especially when you
do not know the page yet. When you do, it gets faster. I also find selecting
text on webpages much more intricate and less reliable
I do not need my computer for much other than browsing and emails and from time
to time creating some more official letters so these differences do not affect
me and I can fully enjoy the cool fun sides of the mac like the variety in
voices. But I find sometimes I am more efficient on the pc. It might be that I
am still new to the mac (about 5 months) but I guess maybe this side of things
is worth putting out for discussion.
But, after all, you can still install windows on your mac and get the best of
both worlds. I do not have a pc and do not have a windows version to install on
my mac so it was swim or sink with the mac for me. I think I have not drowned
yet and am enjoying the swim despite the hurdles.
Hope this helps a bit.
Ioana
Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online
stores.
On Mar 30, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Marc Rocheleau wrote:
Hello there,
It's funny you mention flash because one of my big questions is
browsing the web. I use sites like facebook, gmail, etc... on a
regular basis and was wondering how easy/difficult they are to use
with a Mac and VO -- I know facebook is a pain to navigate through
with jaws on my PC sometimes. What web browser do people mostly use,
safari? Also, I use twitter but have the qwitter client on my PC... is
there any program for the Mac that is similar?
I'd be very grateful for any info on these topics. Thanks in advance!
-Marc
On 3/29/12, Gigi<gigifi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Hi Mark
I would like to say that the two biggest problems, and it's not a problem
for everybody, our tables and PDF files if you need to fill out forms. I
have gotten around this by telling one of my customers that tables were not
an option right now. That is a choice I had. Not everybody has that choice
of course. Ask for PDF files, I'll just have to use my vista computer when I
absolutely have to. Actually, I gave it to my husband.
Some people have said that there is a problem with flash also, but I haven't
had much trouble with that.
Regards Gigi
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 28, 2012, at 10:12 AM, Marc Rocheleau<marcrochel...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hey all,
I'm a transplant from the viphone list here and this is my first post
to MacVisionaries... be gentle.
In the same way I used that list to educate myself before purchasing
an iPhone, I'm hoping to learn some stuff about the Mac here since I'm
thinking of making the jump. Seeing as how I have the iPhone 4, plan
on getting the next iPhone that's released in the fall and own an
Apple TV, I figured it made sense to migrate to the Mac... or at least
entertain the possibility. I live in Ontario and, thanks to the
assistive devices program, 75% of a new computer is covered every five
years for those with accessibility needs.
They recently started covering Apple products and my five years is up
this fall so I was thinking of taking full advantage of this.
With that being said, I have a variety of different questions to ask
on here. I just wanted to know what the best way to go about it was.
They cover a wide range of topics and I don't want to spam the list.
On the other side however, putting them all in one e-mail would
probably deter people from viewing certain questions they could answer
because of other questions.
So erm... I guess I'm asking what standard practice is around here for
such things. I bet you guys get the same questions from new comers all
the time so I don't want to be repetitive either.
Thanks for any advice you can lend and I look forward to learning
about the wonderful world of Mac! :)
-Marc
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