I'm sure you are correct that they do track this, but again it would be nice to know how and how that data is being aggregated. In other words, do they look only at the instances of VO being used or how often etc. All good data points. I am sure they do track this and I never thought they may not, but of course I have no idea of the extent. Of course this information helps Apple plan development. I certainly would find the info most interesting because I like stats such as these.
On Mar 31, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > Scott, > > If you go on your iPhone into Settings/Location Services/System Services, or > whatever it is called at the very bottom, you'll note in their the diagnostic > location thingie... this of course just relates to diagnostic tests > requesting your location... but, its my belief that Apple send daily reports > of usage and other such data from your various hardware items to themselves > all but every day. > > Now of course there's nothing to worry about, its all anonymous, but, still, > I have to thus believe that they know just how long my device has been on for > each day, and indeed, how much of that time used Voice Over etc. > > I think it is rather nyeave to assume that they do not know how many folk use > Voice Over on a regular bases. > > > Regards, > > Neil Barnfather > > Talks List Administrator > Twitter @neilbarnfather > > TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your > accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com > > URL: - www.talknav.com > e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com > Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 > > > > On 31 Mar 2012, at 17:36, Scott Howell wrote: > > You know that is a good point and perhaps what would be interesting is when > such data is shared and if that is included. I had forgotten about the > diagnostic data which I also turned on for all devices. > > On Mar 31, 2012, at 11:01 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> I do not know for sure, but, since Apple send anonymous user data back to >> themselves from the OSx, assuming you've not said no to this, they probably >> have the diagnostics and reporting side of things let them know if your Mac >> or iOS device has Voice Over enabled or not... This would just make sense >> and is an obvious step for them to take. >> >> That way they have a definitive count... I have diagnostic and usage stats >> turned on for all three Mac's I own plus the two iPhones and 2 iPads that >> are here, all of these have Voice Over enabled, although 1 of the iPads and >> 1 iPhone have it toggled often on /off, I bet quite considerably that Apple >> know about this usage. >> >> D >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Neil Barnfather >> >> Talks List Administrator >> Twitter @neilbarnfather >> >> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >> >> URL: - www.talknav.com >> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com >> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >> >> >> >> On 31 Mar 2012, at 13:42, Lewis Alexander wrote: >> >> this has just triggered an idea and if there's anyone on list working for >> apple, an apple developer or beta tester, here's the idea. >> >> so that apple is more aware of who has purchased a mac, whenever you >> purchase a new mac, start up and register your mac, you should be able to >> fill in a questionnaire stating it's use, etc and if so include the option >> for disabled users including blind users. this way, each purchased system, >> or operating system or application supplied by apple logs details of blind >> users, so it gives apple a greater area of support to push for changes in >> voiceover and app support. >> >> just a thought on this. >> >> lew >> >> On 31 Mar 2012, at 10:53, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> Ricardo, >>> >>> True and we also must remember that Apple is not able to track each time a >>> blind/visually impaired user purchases a Mac because they aren't ordering >>> it from a company that sells products to that community. YOu are buying >>> your Mac from the Apple store etc. So, although APple has a pretty good >>> idea of the number of VoiceOver users, they probably do not know the exact >>> to the last person number. So, Apple does listen even if you think at times >>> they are not. >>> >>> On Mar 30, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>> >>>> I really can't argue with that. selecting text on the web is quite a >>>> chore on the Mac. I think Safari, and lack of accessibility or efficiency >>>> of a office suite for power users of such applications is the Macs >>>> greatest weakness at this point in comparison to jaws with windows. But >>>> progress is being made. If anyone has used safari with tiger or leopard, >>>> and compared that to snow leopard or Lion, they would see what I mean. >>>> lol. Or, even iWorks 2008 which was completely inaccessible, to iWorks >>>> 2009 which has some accessibility. That's why I urge everyone to write >>>> Apple sharing some of your thoughts in regards to topics like this. How >>>> else can we honestly expect Voiceover to improve without feedback. It >>>> doesn't matter how small, or insignificant the idea or complaint might be. >>>> Its been my experience that its the little things like adding a keystroke >>>> to check the time that really can enhance the user experience of a >>>> product. >>>> >>>> Ricardo Walker >>>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>>> www.appletothecore.info >>>> >>>> On Mar 30, 2012, at 7:59 PM, Ioana Gandrabur <igandra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> HI there, >>>>> >>>>> I am going to create some controversy probably with my post. >>>>> >>>>> I think the mac has some amazing features like being able to use the >>>>> trackpad, having easy access to many different languages, using any mac >>>>> you encounter on equal footing, having a stable system, etc. >>>>> >>>>> I will say that there are enough areas where I find windows (in my case >>>>> with jaws) easier to use or more smooth, consistent to use >>>>> >>>>> I have not used other browsers than safari and I find that when pages >>>>> contain frames it is harder to find relevant information on a page, >>>>> especially when you do not know the page yet. When you do, it gets >>>>> faster. I also find selecting text on webpages much more intricate and >>>>> less reliable >>>>> I do not need my computer for much other than browsing and emails and >>>>> from time to time creating some more official letters so these >>>>> differences do not affect me and I can fully enjoy the cool fun sides of >>>>> the mac like the variety in voices. But I find sometimes I am more >>>>> efficient on the pc. It might be that I am still new to the mac (about 5 >>>>> months) but I guess maybe this side of things is worth putting out for >>>>> discussion. >>>>> But, after all, you can still install windows on your mac and get the >>>>> best of both worlds. I do not have a pc and do not have a windows version >>>>> to install on my mac so it was swim or sink with the mac for me. I think >>>>> I have not drowned yet and am enjoying the swim despite the hurdles. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hope this helps a bit. >>>>> >>>>> Ioana >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most >>>>> online stores. >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 30, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Marc Rocheleau wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello there, >>>>>> >>>>>> It's funny you mention flash because one of my big questions is >>>>>> browsing the web. I use sites like facebook, gmail, etc... on a >>>>>> regular basis and was wondering how easy/difficult they are to use >>>>>> with a Mac and VO -- I know facebook is a pain to navigate through >>>>>> with jaws on my PC sometimes. What web browser do people mostly use, >>>>>> safari? Also, I use twitter but have the qwitter client on my PC... is >>>>>> there any program for the Mac that is similar? >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd be very grateful for any info on these topics. Thanks in advance! >>>>>> >>>>>> -Marc >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3/29/12, Gigi <gigifi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Mark >>>>>>> I would like to say that the two biggest problems, and it's not a >>>>>>> problem >>>>>>> for everybody, our tables and PDF files if you need to fill out forms. I >>>>>>> have gotten around this by telling one of my customers that tables were >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> an option right now. That is a choice I had. Not everybody has that >>>>>>> choice >>>>>>> of course. Ask for PDF files, I'll just have to use my vista computer >>>>>>> when I >>>>>>> absolutely have to. Actually, I gave it to my husband. >>>>>>> Some people have said that there is a problem with flash also, but I >>>>>>> haven't >>>>>>> had much trouble with that. >>>>>>> Regards Gigi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 28, 2012, at 10:12 AM, Marc Rocheleau <marcrochel...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm a transplant from the viphone list here and this is my first post >>>>>>>> to MacVisionaries... be gentle. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In the same way I used that list to educate myself before purchasing >>>>>>>> an iPhone, I'm hoping to learn some stuff about the Mac here since I'm >>>>>>>> thinking of making the jump. Seeing as how I have the iPhone 4, plan >>>>>>>> on getting the next iPhone that's released in the fall and own an >>>>>>>> Apple TV, I figured it made sense to migrate to the Mac... or at least >>>>>>>> entertain the possibility. I live in Ontario and, thanks to the >>>>>>>> assistive devices program, 75% of a new computer is covered every five >>>>>>>> years for those with accessibility needs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They recently started covering Apple products and my five years is up >>>>>>>> this fall so I was thinking of taking full advantage of this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With that being said, I have a variety of different questions to ask >>>>>>>> on here. I just wanted to know what the best way to go about it was. >>>>>>>> They cover a wide range of topics and I don't want to spam the list. >>>>>>>> On the other side however, putting them all in one e-mail would >>>>>>>> probably deter people from viewing certain questions they could answer >>>>>>>> because of other questions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So erm... I guess I'm asking what standard practice is around here for >>>>>>>> such things. 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