On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, Helge Hafting wrote:
Impressive timings. Your first start is faster than my cached startups. My
lyx-1.3 starts in 0.7s, my lyx-1.4 in 3.5s when in cache. Which version of
lyx is this, and does it use xforms or qt?
Helge,
1.3.6qt. On Slack-10.2. A moderately fast machine
On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 09:46:05AM -0800, Rich Shepard wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >Just a minor tip, try this:
> >
> > time lyx -x 'command-sequence lyx-quit;'
>
> Christian,
>
> How kewel! I've not had LyX running today, so I gave the above three tries
> in
On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 03:46:45PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> > "Helge" == Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Helge> The test method is to run time lyx while clicking the mouse
> Helge> fast in the place where the closing button is going to appear.
> Helge> Repeated clicks
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just a minor tip, try this:
time lyx -x 'command-sequence lyx-quit;'
Christian,
How kewel! I've not had LyX running today, so I gave the above three tries
in succession:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ time lyx -x 'command-sequence lyx-quit;'
re
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, Helge Hafting wrote:
> The test method is to run
> time lyx
> while clicking the mouse fast in the place where the closing button is
> going to appear.
Just a minor tip, try this:
time lyx -x 'command-sequence lyx-quit;'
and you don't have close it manually. A long t
> "Helge" == Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Helge> The test method is to run time lyx while clicking the mouse
Helge> fast in the place where the closing button is going to appear.
Helge> Repeated clicks are used so my reaction time won't affect the
Helge> result. I barely see the m
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
|
| >| >To set optimization level you should use --enable-optimization='-O2'
| >| >
| >| >
| >| Ok, tried this. More exactly:
| >| $ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-frontend=qt --with-gn
Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
|
| >| >To set optimization level you should use --enable-optimization='-O2'
| >| >
| >| >
| >| Ok, tried this. More exactly:
| >| $ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-frontend=qt --with-gnu-ld
| >| --with-qt-includes=/u
Helge Hafting wrote:
>>| $ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-frontend=qt --with-gnu-ld
>>| --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3 --disable-debug
>>| --disable-concept-checks --enable-optimization=-O2
>>You should use '--disable-stdlib-debug' as well. that is a real time
>>consumer, nice when de
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
| >To set optimization level you should use --enable-optimization='-O2'
| >
| >
| Ok, tried this. More exactly:
| $ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-frontend=qt --with-gnu-ld
| --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3 --disable-debug
| --disable-concept-checks --enab
Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
|
| >Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| >
| >| On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:58:51PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
| >| > > "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| > | > | > Lars> I also tr
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:58:51PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
| > > "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| >
| > Lars> I also tried to do some profiling on this, but failed to get
| > Lars>
Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:58:51PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
| > > "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| >
| > Lars> I also tried to do some profiling on this, but failed to get
| > Lars> anything to pinpoint. Also on
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Helge Hafting wrote:
Evereybody except me get sub-second startup times?
That is good, lyx is probably ok with me making a mistake then.
It'd sure be interesting if anyone have an idea what I do wrong.
Helge,
If I've not invoked LyX before, then it takes about 1-2 seconds
On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:58:51PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> > "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Lars> I also tried to do some profiling on this, but failed to get
> Lars> anything to pinpoint. Also on my box startup times are not bad
> Lars> at all... (s
> "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Lars> I also tried to do some profiling on this, but failed to get
Lars> anything to pinpoint. Also on my box startup times are not bad
Lars> at all... (sub-second)
I clearly see a difference between 1.3.x and 1.4.x, but the times ar
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| > "Helge" == Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|
| Helge> _Editing_ with lyx 1.4 is fine, except from the occational bug.
| Helge> The startup time is not - it has definitely regressed, and I
| Helge> wonder if it has to be that way.
> "Helge" == Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Helge> _Editing_ with lyx 1.4 is fine, except from the occational bug.
Helge> The startup time is not - it has definitely regressed, and I
Helge> wonder if it has to be that way. What could lyx be up to
Helge> _before_ l�oading documents?
On Wed, Nov 09, 2005 at 11:26:36AM +, Angus Leeming wrote:
> Helge Hafting wrote:
> > Still, I really liked the way lyx 1.3 starts in less than a second.
> > Lyx 1.4 needs 5 seconds to start, even with no document and
> > debugging turned off.
>
> You are probably compiling with g++'s debug i
Andre Poenitz wrote:
> GUII had its time when it came to separating kernel and GUI, and when
> there were enough people actually working on LyX. Nowadays it's more
> of a hindrance than a help and I'd really appreciate a move to select
> a single prefered toolkit.
Hear hear!
--
Angus
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 06:37:52PM +0100, Gour wrote:
> I could also say: gnome, gnome-vfs, internationalization (I18N),
> localization (L10N), OS X is there, cairo back-end, win32, and lgpl
> license, i.e. not depending on trolltech...
What's wrong with Qt's GPL?
Andre'
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 07:45:00PM +0100, Ingar Pareliussen wrote:
> So it is possible to port to other tookits without to much work
That is wrong and does not get better by repeating it.
Supporting yet another toolkit is a significant amount of work, and the
GUII framework makes using toolkits
On Wed, Nov 09, 2005 at 08:24:58AM +0200, Martin Vermeer wrote:
> > The idea is that each frontend author is free to implement the dialogs
> > as he wants. There is no contraint on their layout and/or text.
>
> But that's a bug, not a feature, right? We _should_ strive for uniformity.
This would
On Wed, Nov 09, 2005 at 11:54:30AM +0100, Helge Hafting wrote:
> >Multi-platform?
>
> I have no idea - but the existing qt port is multiplatform so a port
> to another toolkit doesn't have to be.
Indeed. And note that we get much better multi-platform support when
using Qt alone than with any hom
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 02:43:00PM -0500, William F. Adams wrote:
> On Nov 8, 2005, at 11:52 AM, Angus Leeming wrote:
>
> >You have a strange definition of ``for free'', William. There are 295
> >files in the Qt frontend totalling some 27,000 lines of code. And
> >that's neglecting the .ui files t
(Thanks to whoever did it for re-subscribing me to the dev list)
I'm making this last post to both lists and then will try to find the
time to look into things on the lyx-devel side.
As I alluded to before, NeXT/OPEN/GNUstep/Cocoa allows one to
dynamically add and remove language support from
Angus Leeming ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Bugzilla, but discuss it first on lyx-devel. It's probably something
> trivial on your side.
OK. I sent it to the dev-list.
> Use the gmane news interface then. You can read and post from
> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.devel
Don't use news a
Helge Hafting wrote:
> Still, I really liked the way lyx 1.3 starts in less than a second.
> Lyx 1.4 needs 5 seconds to start, even with no document and
> debugging turned off.
You are probably compiling with g++'s debug iterators. Try recompiling
having configured with --disable-stdlib-debug and
Gour wrote:
> I pulled from the cvs yesterday and it does not compile.
> What is preferred method to report things: dev-list or bugzilla?
Bugzilla, but discuss it first on lyx-devel. It's probably something
trivial on your side.
> (I had negative experience with bugzilla reporting a dead-keys bug
Angus Leeming wrote:
[...]
Yes, fltk is a very nice little toolkit. In fact, it's the successor
to the XForms library that we do use in one of our frontends.
However, before any eager soul jumps on this frontend bandwagon, I'd
like to introduce a note of caution and suggest that you really,
rea
John Coppens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Anyway, I see there is some interest (mine included) for a native GTK+
> version, so I'll try and compile one (I suspect it compiles at least?).
> Who is the person to take contact with for hints/diffs/ etc? Is that John
> Spray?
I pulled from the cvs yes
Gour wrote:
Helge Hafting ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Not really. The win32 version of lyx does not in any way make it a
more "serious" solution. More accessible of course, but no
more serious.
Who said that?
Me? Marc?
Sorry, seems I messed up the quotation. Look at earlier m
> "Martin" == Martin Vermeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> The idea is that each frontend author is free to implement the
>> dialogs as he wants. There is no contraint on their layout and/or
>> text.
Martin> But that's a bug, not a feature, right? We _should_ strive for
Martin> uniformity.
On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 23:53:39 +0100 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > "Alex" == Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Alex> Why? The GUI indepence means same content, different look. Isn't
> Alex> it?
>
> The idea is that each frontend author is free to implement the dialog
William F. Adams wrote:
>> For those interested in such stats, the whole LyX source tree
>> (neglecting non-Qt frontend code) comprises 970 files and 170,000
>> lines of code. The thing is *big* and doesn't need to get any bigger.
>
> I thought that the whole point to GUI-Independence was that it
> "Alex" == Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Alex> Why? The GUI indepence means same content, different look. Isn't
Alex> it?
The idea is that each frontend author is free to implement the dialogs
as he wants. There is no contraint on their layout and/or text.
JMarc
> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Angus> It doesn't actually make anybody's life easier because the
Angus> different frontends do actually have subtly different dialogs
Angus> and messages.
I suspect 50% of the strings would turn out to be common.
JMarc
> "William" == William F Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I have (almost) finshed the translation of Qt strings. It would be
>> useful, If I could reuse all of them, without doublecating thoose
>> strings.
William> This is one of the things one could get ``for free'' w/ a
William> move to
Dear Angus & List,
>> Ingar>> As a translator I have to say that the number of toolkits
>> Ingar>> increase the amount of work for the translators as well.
>> JML> Note we could make an effort to change this: use the &shortcut
>> Is it possible to create a translation code internally, to handle
Am Dienstag, 8. November 2005 22:18 schrieb John Coppens:
> Anyway, I see there is some interest (mine included) for a native GTK+
> version, so I'll try and compile one (I suspect it compiles at least?).
Yes, it does, and it is also somewhat useful, since it borrows xforms
dialogs.
> Who is th
On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 14:53:06 +
Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Frankly, I don't think that's true. Looking back over the mail list
> archive as far as 22 Oct, I see the list of messages below. (Sorted
> alphabetically.) Most all of 'em are probelms that aren't specific to
> Windows,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Ingar>> As a translator I have to say that the number of toolkits
> Ingar>> increase the amount of work for the translators as well.
> Ingar>> Different toolsets have different ways to specify shortcuts and
> Ingar>> each have to be translated manually.
>
On Nov 8, 2005, at 1:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is it possible to create a translation code internally, to handle the
differences in GUIs?
I have (almost) finshed the translation of Qt strings. It would be
useful, If I could reuse all of them, without doublecating thoose
strings.
This i
On Nov 8, 2005, at 11:52 AM, Angus Leeming wrote:
You have a strange definition of ``for free'', William. There are 295
files in the Qt frontend totalling some 27,000 lines of code. And
that's neglecting the .ui files that define the dialog structure.
Yes, but all those lines and the QT front-
Dear All,
Ingar>> As a translator I have to say that the number of toolkits
Ingar>> increase the amount of work for the translators as well.
Ingar>> Different toolsets have different ways to specify shortcuts and
Ingar>> each have to be translated manually.
JML> Note we could make an effort to ch
Tysdag 8. november 2005 18:48 skreiv Stephen Harris:
> SH: Hmmm. I like the KDE desktop and looked into the Cygwin port
> of KDE to Windows, which has been abandoned. Now the effort is
> to produce a native Windows KDE. I thought I read that this effort
> relied on Qt (3?) similar to LyX?
For the
Tysdag 8. november 2005 17:59 skreiv Gour:
> Lars Gullik Bjønnes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Note that code share is in the very high 90's %.
> So, it means that, in case qt goes non-gpl or something, it would not be
> too hard to port to another toolkit?
Lyx source code was divided in 2000(-0
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes a écrit :
"Ingar" == Ingar Pareliussen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Ingar> As a translator I have to say that the number of toolkits
Ingar> increase the amount of work for the translators as well.
Ingar> Different toolsets have different ways to specify shortcu
- Original Message -
From: "Ingar Pareliussen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: Forget Windows
So as a translator I would like to have only one toolset to work with, and
if
I could have chosen I would loved a kde-front
Ingar Pareliussen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> As a translator I have to say that the number of toolkits increase the amount
> of work for the translators as well. Different toolsets have different ways
> to specify shortcuts and each have to be translated manually.
Good point.
>
> So as a tr
> "Ingar" == Ingar Pareliussen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Ingar> As a translator I have to say that the number of toolkits
Ingar> increase the amount of work for the translators as well.
Ingar> Different toolsets have different ways to specify shortcuts and
Ingar> each have to be translated m
William F. Adams wrote:
>> I think we'd all like to see improved core functionality in future
>> releases. The last three or four years have seen increased
>> prettiness and stability and *much* nicer code but little real
>> increase in what LyX can actually do. Now that we have something
>> that's
Lars Gullik Bjønnes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Note that code share is in the very high 90's %.
Really?
Did not know that.
So, it means that, in case qt goes non-gpl or something, it would not be
too hard to port to another toolkit?
> It is packaging that takes time, and you won't get that
Tysdag 8. november 2005 15:57 skreiv Lars Gullik Bjønnes:
> Gour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> | Yes, there is code-share, but every individial port (win32, gtk) takes
> | away the energy & time of devs, and that's why I'd prefer to e.g. have
> | gtk port which could (if) cover Win32, Linux-like OS
On Nov 8, 2005, at 10:07 AM, Angus Leeming wrote:
However, before any eager soul jumps on this frontend bandwagon, I'd
like to introduce a note of caution and suggest that you really,
really shouldn't create yet another frontend to LyX. Time is limited,
there are only so many of us and another f
Stephen Harris wrote:
> Yes, I looked at fltk and it is intended to be cross-platform.
> I've also seen some great screenshots and fltk was used for
> (and a variation is used for making special effects in movies)
> porting flpsed using Minsys rather than Cygwin on Windows.
> The result was as good
While I agree w/ Marc in wanting a Cocoa / GNUstep front-end for LyX, I
would like to echo the statements of Banibrata and others that it's
better to have a wide variety, and please don't abandon people who need
to use Windows for one reason or other.
Having Windows as an option makes LyX far
Gour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| Yes, there is code-share, but every individial port (win32, gtk) takes
| away the energy & time of devs, and that's why I'd prefer to e.g. have
| gtk port which could (if) cover Win32, Linux-like OS-es & MaC OS in one
| stroke.
Note that code share is in the ver
lem
Choice of fonts in LaTeX [3]
Creating DocBook stuff using LyX [2]
Custom layout and psmatrix from pstricks, 1.4.0pre2 [4]
Custom titlepage [5]
DPI [4]
Emacs keybindings on Windows? [2]
Faulty Latex generated by LyX ? [4]
Figure and table side by side [6]
Finding the Reason xdvi Output Disappeare
Hi Folks,
We may try to wish-away windows or maybe flame-it-down, but the fact is
that by saying things like -- "don't spend any more effort on developing it
further on Windows", what you are saying is turn the development into a
prejudiced-OpenSource, not a truely world-hugging OpenSource as Open
- Original Message -
From: "Helge Hafting" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gour" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: Forget Windows
Gour wrote:
Marc J. Driftmeyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>>I'd also
John Coppens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I'd have a go at the GTK+ version, in which I am also interested, but
> I'll surely need a hand, as I am not an ace programmer. Can someone
> indicate what has to be done?
As I wrote earlier, I cannot code, but can contribute my time to
testing.
Probably
Sven Schreiber ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Hi Sven!
> I don't understand why such a statement results in angry accusations.
I hope you didn't take my argument as a angry accusations, at least it
was not meant to be so, just a slightly provoking statement to backup your
statement :-)
> > People a
Helge Hafting ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Not really. The win32 version of lyx does not in any way make it a
> more "serious" solution. More accessible of course, but no
> more serious.
Who said that?
Me? Marc?
> Now, if we're making wishes - scratch the bloated gtk and
> go for fltk. Ligh
On 08 Nov 2005 13:19:46 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lars Gullik Bjønnes) wrote:
> Gour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> | I'd also like to see more focus (especially) on GTK+.
>
> The only way to make that happen is to get someone to do it, or do it
> yourself. There is not really much developer att
Before this develops into a flamewar, let me rectify something:
I *like* Linux more than I like Windows, but that doesn't change the fact that
some very specialized
apps simply don't exist on *nix. I'm very glad though that many open-source
apps are cross-platform
so that I can work with them. T
Gour wrote:
Marc J. Driftmeyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
So if I read this correctly, because a Win32 port of LyX has been
made possible to show the Windows User the Power of the UNIX/Linux
World Design approach to Software and what Free Tools can produce
using the TeX/LaTeX systems a
Gour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| I'd also like to see more focus (especially) on GTK+.
The only way to make that happen is to get someone to do it, or do it
yourself. There is not really much developer attention on gtk.
--
Lgb
Sven Schreiber ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> There is no way that they switch OS because we need some specialized
> apps that only run under Windows. (Please don't reply with hints on
> wine, qemu, etc., I've tried it all.)
What app you have that don't run under vmware?
> Bottom line: If Angus (
Marc J. Driftmeyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> So if I read this correctly, because a Win32 port of LyX has been
> made possible to show the Windows User the Power of the UNIX/Linux
> World Design approach to Software and what Free Tools can produce
> using the TeX/LaTeX systems and their m
Okay now what you just said spits on the entire *nix community.
I myself use LyX less than I do LaTeX with Kile on Debian [don't get
me started with the transition LyX is having with the Debian upgrades
after Sarge] and I use LyX for OS X and TeXShop for OS X.
This particular section is wha
Lars Gullik Bjønnes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Well depends on the effort needed to make it happen... and since
> we are in the Open Source world it is really is the community on the
> operating systems in question that should to the work to make it
> happen.
I agree.
LyX is developed on
James W Dow schrieb:
> LyX is a wonderful word processor. It is best one for writing mathematics
> directly from the keyboard. Please don't spend a huge time developing it for
> Windows. Windows will gradually fade away. Putting nice programs like LyX on
> that operating system just delays peopl
On 11/6/05, James W Dow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> LyX is a wonderful word processor. It is best one for writing mathematics
> directly from the keyboard. Please don't spend a huge time developing it for
> Windows. Windows will gradually fade away. Putting nice programs like LyX on
> that operati
Gunnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| On Sunday 06 November 2005 22:05, James W Dow wrote:
| > LyX is a wonderful word processor. It is best one for writing mathematics
| > directly from the keyboard. Please don't spend a huge time developing it
| > for Windows. Windows will gradually fade away. Pu
On Sunday 06 November 2005 22:05, James W Dow wrote:
> LyX is a wonderful word processor. It is best one for writing mathematics
> directly from the keyboard. Please don't spend a huge time developing it
> for Windows. Windows will gradually fade away. Putting nice programs like
> LyX on that opera
LyX is a wonderful word processor. It is best one for writing mathematics
directly from the keyboard. Please don't spend a huge time developing it for
Windows. Windows will gradually fade away. Putting nice programs like LyX on
that operating system just delays people switching to a version of L
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