Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> But we know that for the class we support, aren't we?
Not necessarilily. Depends on the class options, amongst others. I would not
bother with this, this is bound to fail.
Jürgen
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
You assume wrong. Default means whatever font the class uses as
default, and that could be anything.
OK thanks. And do we know what is this font?
No. Unless you write a LaTeX class parser ;-)
But we know that for the c
Pavel Sanda wrote:
[...]
what i see now we could do:
1. some better advertisment of lmodern usage. i'm using lyx for years and
without
Will i won't be aware about this.
2. i wanted to setup lmodern as default at least for me, but ouch, we don't have
such setting in environment preferences
On 16/08/2008, at 12:50 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
Will Robertson wrote:
In that case you absolutely shouldn't do \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}.
Because that changes the font more than \usepackage{lmodern}.
I guess that non-American writers will run into all sorts of trouble
then
(e.g. with
Will Robertson wrote:
> In that case you absolutely shouldn't do \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}.
> Because that changes the font more than \usepackage{lmodern}.
I guess that non-American writers will run into all sorts of trouble then
(e.g. with hyphenation).
Jürgen
On 16/08/2008, at 12:24 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
LyX should use by default the default font of the current class,
which happens
to be cm for the standard classes and many other classes, but could
as well
be something completely different.
Okay, fair enough.
In that case you absolutely
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> > You assume wrong. Default means whatever font the class uses as
> > default, and that could be anything.
>
> OK thanks. And do we know what is this font?
No. Unless you write a LaTeX class parser ;-)
Jürgen
Enrico Forestieri wrote:
> I don't think that they should be set as default. When you create a
> new document, the corresponding latex file should ideally be
>
> \documentclass{article}
> \begin{document}
> \end{document}
>
> no more, no less. Now we have another couple of (somewhat unavoidable)
>
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, Will Robertson wrote:
Meanwhile, I'm training myself to hit cmd+shift+r instead of cmd+r to
reply to these emails. I'm really embarrassed by continuing not to get
it right :(
Here's a tip: Follow the list through gmane instead, i.e. as a news group.
That's what I generall
Will Robertson schrieb:
- why lmodern and not TeXGyre or another font?
Because lmodern can be rightly considered to simply be an improvement of
CM, the default. Whereas the other TeXGyre fonts have actually different
shapes.
But why is this important. LM and CM differs also in shapes, a go
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 06:39:01PM +0100, José Matos wrote:
> On Friday 01 August 2008 18:23:38 Enrico Forestieri wrote:
> > LyX is quite versatile and you really don't need to write a class for
> > including whatever you like by default. For example, I attach here a
> > simple layout file which a
On Friday 01 August 2008 18:23:38 Enrico Forestieri wrote:
> LyX is quite versatile and you really don't need to write a class for
> including whatever you like by default. For example, I attach here a
> simple layout file which adds a "article (lm fonts)" to the document
> class combo. After you p
On 02/08/2008, at 2:53 AM, Enrico Forestieri wrote:
LyX is quite versatile and you really don't need to write a class for
including whatever you like by default.
Thanks for the example. The point of the class, though, would be to
include everything that I think people using the class want by
On Sat, Aug 02, 2008 at 02:00:41AM +0930, Will Robertson wrote:
> On 01/08/2008, at 7:27 PM, Enrico Forestieri wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 06:51:38PM +0930, Will Robertson wrote:
> >
> >> There's no way *in general* to find out what the default font of a
> >> class is. But each class is
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 04:21:34PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> Aren't you "stealing" my idea? ;-)
No, because mine is more articulate than yours ;-)
--
Enrico
Enrico Forestieri wrote:
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 12:34:00PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote:
Enrico Forestieri wrote:
can do that quite easily using "Save as Document Defaults", so I
don't understand why this discussion is still lasting so long ;-)
because it seems that some people
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 12:34:00PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Enrico Forestieri wrote:
> > can do that quite easily using "Save as Document Defaults", so I
> > don't understand why this discussion is still lasting so long ;-)
>
> because it seems that some people on devel list didn't know
> lm i
Enrico Forestieri wrote:
> can do that quite easily using "Save as Document Defaults", so I
> don't understand why this discussion is still lasting so long ;-)
because it seems that some people on devel list didn't know
lm is in a way just a better upgrade to cm. this is good indication
that the s
Enrico Forestieri wrote:
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 06:51:38PM +0930, Will Robertson wrote:
On 01/08/2008, at 4:49 PM, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
You assume wrong. Default means whatever font the class uses as
default, and that could be anything.
OK thanks. And do we know what
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 06:51:38PM +0930, Will Robertson wrote:
> On 01/08/2008, at 4:49 PM, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
>>> You assume wrong. Default means whatever font the class uses as
>>> default, and that could be anything.
>>
>> OK thanks. And do we know what is this font? If yes, we should at
On 01/08/2008, at 5:21 PM, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
You forgot to put the list in copy :-)
!!!
I wish they've never invented two equally valid but completely
different ways to do ReplyTo in mailing lists. My reply is below:
Will Robertson wrote:
On 01/08/2008, at 4:49 PM, Abdelrazak Youn
Enrico Forestieri wrote:
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 12:09:53AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
First "Default" is not not enough information as we don't know which
font is default in each of the combo. We should at least indicate what
is the current default (I assume CM)
You assume wro
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 01:36:59AM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Enrico Forestieri wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 12:09:53AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> >
> > > First "Default" is not not enough information as we don't know which
> > > font is default in each of the combo. We should at l
Hi Uwe,
On 01/08/2008, at 3:19 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> A beautiful default would be best.
This is pain. CM are not beautiful? Beauty is a matter of taste, but
to be objective, CM are very well designed.
The only concrete thing that can be said here is that the LM fonts are
an improvement
Enrico Forestieri wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 12:09:53AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
>
> > First "Default" is not not enough information as we don't know which
> > font is default in each of the combo. We should at least indicate what
> > is the current default (I assume CM)
>
> You as
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 12:09:53AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> First "Default" is not not enough information as we don't know which
> font is default in each of the combo. We should at least indicate what
> is the current default (I assume CM)
You assume wrong. Default means whatever font
Pavel Sanda wrote:
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Pavel Sanda wrote:
what i see now we could do:
1. some better advertisment of lmodern usage. i'm using lyx for years and
without
Will i won't be aware about this.
Me neither. Discoverability is important in GUI design.
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> Pavel Sanda wrote:
>> what i see now we could do:
>> 1. some better advertisment of lmodern usage. i'm using lyx for years and
>> without
>> Will i won't be aware about this.
>
> Me neither. Discoverability is important in GUI design.
do you have an idea what could
Pavel Sanda wrote:
what i see now we could do:
1. some better advertisment of lmodern usage. i'm using lyx for years
and without
Will i won't be aware about this.
Me neither. Discoverability is important in GUI design.
2. i wanted to setup lmodern as default at least for me, but ouch, we
Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> > I personally agree with Will. Most users won't know how to change the
> document font; I barely know > myself.
>
> What? It's just a click in the document settings under fonts. A more
> detailed description is given in the UserGuide.
>
> > A beautiful default would be best.
>
> I personally agree with Will. Most users won't know how to change the document font; I barely
know > myself.
What? It's just a click in the document settings under fonts. A more detailed description is given
in the UserGuide.
> A beautiful default would be best.
This is pain. CM are not be
>> Why do you think we should especially use LM and not TeXGyre or one of the
various other
>> beautiful fonts? There's no special reason to prefer LM over others. So
we'll let the default
>> font the default one - CM.
>
> In that case you shouldn't use the T1 font encoding by default, because t
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:55:45PM +0930, Will Robertson wrote:
> I'm surprised, and happy, to hear that you use T1 only when possible.
Yes, if you launch LyX from a console and look at the output when
reconfiguring, you will see that a check for EC fonts is being made.
If you are not comfortab
On 31/07/2008, at 11:10 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote:
Will Robertson wrote:
On 31/07/2008, at 11:00 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote:
for this you need to set hyperref settings in document otpions. in
that
case the preamble created by lyx will be of course more complex.
I'm running v1.5.6, and I've triple-
On 31/07/2008, at 11:04 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote:
Enrico Forestieri wrote:
The glyphs are the same, so that is not the point. The point is that
LM fonts come in a vector (rather than bitmap) format making them
more
suitable to pdf output.
but the main point i got from previous messages was be
On Thursday 31 July 2008 02:58, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> I personally agree with Will. Most users won't know how to change the
> document font; I barely know myself. A beautiful default would be best.
:s/beautiful/readable/
SteveT
Will Robertson wrote:
> On 31/07/2008, at 11:00 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote:
>
>> for this you need to set hyperref settings in document otpions. in that
>> case the preamble created by lyx will be of course more complex.
>
> I'm running v1.5.6, and I've triple-checked, but I don't see any hyperref
> se
On 31/07/2008, at 11:00 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote:
for this you need to set hyperref settings in document otpions. in
that
case the preamble created by lyx will be of course more complex.
I'm running v1.5.6, and I've triple-checked, but I don't see any
hyperref settings?
Will
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Enrico Forestieri wrote:
> The glyphs are the same, so that is not the point. The point is that
> LM fonts come in a vector (rather than bitmap) format making them more
> suitable to pdf output.
but the main point i got from previous messages was better kerning... ?
pavel
Will Robertson wrote:
> Personally, since LaTeX is so hard to master with all its packages, I would
> have thought you'd want to steer LyX users into the more fruitful areas
> (such as hyperref) that are currently a little tricky to get "just right".
for this you need to set hyperref settings in
Hi Enrico,
I'm surprised, and happy, to hear that you use T1 only when possible.
Thanks!
Surely just checking for LM doesn't trigger installation under
MiKTeX?! Instead of using kpsewhich, couldn't you just mechanically
search for the actual files? (After all, you can get the base
direc
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 02:46:03PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> OK, thanks for the explanation. The fact that they are suitable to pdf
> output is a good argument for making them the default, at least for
> pdflatex conversion (which the majority uses I guess by now). Perhaps
> this this a
Enrico Forestieri wrote:
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:58:07AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Will Robertson wrote:
So you don't think it's confusing to have *three* choices in the list
of fonts that look, on casual inspection, exactly the same? And rather
un-helpful to have AE when LM
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:58:07AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> Will Robertson wrote:
> > On 31/07/2008, at 8:08 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> >
> >> Will Robertson schrieb:
> >>
> Better output is relative, we can another font as well as default.
> >>> No :) The LM fonts ARE better than the CM
Will Robertson wrote:
On 31/07/2008, at 8:08 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
Will Robertson schrieb:
Better output is relative, we can another font as well as default.
No :) The LM fonts ARE better than the CM fonts.
I meant something different.
Sorry, I misunderstood.
Why do you think we should e
On 31/07/2008, at 8:08 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
Will Robertson schrieb:
Better output is relative, we can another font as well as default.
No :) The LM fonts ARE better than the CM fonts.
I meant something different.
Sorry, I misunderstood.
Why do you think we should especially use LM and no
Will Robertson schrieb:
Better output is relative, we can another font as well as default.
No :) The LM fonts ARE better than the CM fonts.
I meant something different. Why do you think we should especially use LM and not TeXGyre or one of
the various other beautiful fonts? There's no speci
>> This is no option. We provide support for all fonts if possible. It's the
choice of the users
>> what font he wants to use.
>
> True; I'd then suggest you should use LM as the default from now on.
We can't, LM are not the default LaTeX fonts and thus not by default included in all LaTeX
dist
Will Robertson wrote:
> True; I'd then suggest you should use LM as the default from now on. It
> would give better output for many cases (especially since your font
> encoding default is T1 and not all users will have the CMSuper fonts
> installed).
>
>> > Aside from exact backwards compatibili
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Will Robertson wrote:
> I would highly recommend deprecating both AE & CM in favour of the LM
> fonts.
This is no option. We provide support for all fonts if possible. It's the
choice of the users what font he wants to use.
True; I'd then suggest you should use LM as
On 30/07/2008, at 7:18 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> I would highly recommend deprecating both AE & CM in favour of the
LM fonts.
This is no option. We provide support for all fonts if possible.
It's the choice of the users what font he wants to use.
True; I'd then suggest you should use LM as
> I forgot to mention that the AE fonts are deprecated now; the Latin Modern
fonts do everything
> they did and more. In fact, the LM fonts are much better than the CM fonts,
too.
We are aware of this.
> I would highly recommend deprecating both AE & CM in favour of the LM fonts.
This is no o
Hi,
I forgot to mention that the AE fonts are deprecated now; the Latin
Modern fonts do everything they did and more. In fact, the LM fonts
are much better than the CM fonts, too.
I would highly recommend deprecating both AE & CM in favour of the LM
fonts. They all look the same, although
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