On Thu, Apr 13, 2000 at 05:44:42PM -0500, Alexia Adams wrote:
> (Excuse me folks but this is off the topic for a sec)
> Kirrily, your name sounds really familiar and caught my eye, did you go to
> UNE Armidale by any chance?(Austin college if i remember correctly)
(replied to privately)
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On Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 02:49:48PM +0100, Magni Onsoien wrote:
> Kirrily 'Skud' Robert:
> > http://www.bodywise.com.au/
> >
> > Check it out. Really. It's turned me into a bra-wearer. These babies
> > are *comfortable*. I highly recommend them to
There's a thread going on on debian-devel about women in Debian, if
anyone's interested.
K.
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"My manner of thinking, so you say, cannot be approved.
Do you suppose I
On Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 12:59:54PM +0800, Deidre L. Calarco wrote:
> BTW, I've been with the same guy for eight years (we're not married, but we
> own a house together). He's even more technically oriented than I am. I
> think he would have a lot trouble relating to a woman who wasn't into
> com
On Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 01:56:33PM -0500, J. Myers wrote:
>
> This was something that particularly bothered me while I was in college.
> Sometimes professors would ask about treatment by my male peers, and if I
> had anything to say other than "they treat me no differently than other
> males," I
[Cc'd to my dad for his interest; Dad, this is part of a discussion on
a mailing list for women who use Linux... I'd be interested in your
thoughts on the stuff below]
On Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 03:26:53PM -0400, Blackjax wrote:
> I know what you are talking about because I grew up with parents who
After returning from a brief busy period, I found almost 200 posts on
the issues list, almost none of which had anything to do with issues
facing women in the linux and open source communities.
Interesting as the DOJ ruling is, and amusing as various jokes are, and
as much as people do like to ta
r the non-user-group-attending ones
who actually have lives :)
>On the subject of the FAQ, I suppose you could say, "Estimates by
>different members of the list vary from (lower number) to (higher
>number)" :)
That works for me, if the numbers are about 1% and 10%.
K.
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ant to hear what it's like for a non-hacker to
try to come to grips with Linux, and I personally loathe the practise of
defining women by their relationships with men, *especially* when there
are plenty of other worthwhile attributes to define them by. But that's
just my not-very-humble opin
(Why am I posting this to 3 lists? Well, it's on-topic for grrltalk and
probably techtalk, but there was some talk about posting such things to
linuxchix on the issues list, and anyway that's where I'm most
active... Deb can LART me if I did the wrong thing. Please note Reply-to
address of [EMAI
I wrote an article on recruiters and linux on Linuxtoday's local site.
I've got a copy at http://netizen.com.au/~skud/writing/ if anyone's
interested. It even has a hint for dealing with MS-Word-loving
recruiters.
K.
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nd correctly) is
an all-women university.
K.
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Kirrily 'Skud' Robert - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://netizen.com.au/
Ask the next question. Keep on asking questions and don't stop, and sooner
or later you'll be asking intelligent ones. If you live long enough.
_
Fan, Laurel wrote:
>
>This is just one instance in the larger issue of widespread
>misogynistic behavior in the criminal community.
*snort*
I'm *so* glad I didn't have a mouthful of something, or I would have
been cleaning my keyboard.
K.
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ounds for calling
someone the sort of name quoted above.
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Being weird isn't enough.
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issues mailing list
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rsonality, it bothers me to hear that flirting with anyone could be
considered "not fun", simply because I am who I am.
Certainly I would try not to bludgeon someone with my extroversion to
the point where they were uncomfortable, but I am *NOT* going to avoid
social contact simply because
ven get mail for Mr.
>Macauley Christian, whoever that is :).
My membership to AUUG (Australian Unix Users Group) came through as "Mr
Robert Kirrily".
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There's too much blood in my caffeine system.
in together. Buy good bras. Buy
> looser-fitting, flat-heeled, male-style shoes.
http://www.bodywise.com.au/
Check it out. Really. It's turned me into a bra-wearer. These babies
are *comfortable*. I highly recommend them to everyone, but especially
larger women.
K.
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any women computer scientists?)
http://www.cs.yale.edu/~tap/ (the Ada project)
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You should see the ones we don't let out in public.
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nux users and involve
themselves in the linux community.
How does that mesh with what other people have seen?
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Putting heated bricks close to the news.admin.net-abuse.* groups.
-- Megahal (trained on asr), 1998-11-06
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already.
So, um, this is not a big nasty "don't do it" but just a general "please
think about it", OK?
K.
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What part of the word "YES" don't you understand?
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rt (1-para) description or bio. Each entry should
be verified by a human before being listed to prevent abuse.
The point of this would be that when people say "yeah, but where are
they?" you could point at it and say "There!"
Thoughts?
K.
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e was just a friend). We were greeted with
"Hello, gentlemen. I mean, and ladies."
I think that people just have pre-programmed social actions, kind of
like macros. I know at times I've responded to "Hi Skud" with "Fine
thanks, how are you" because I've had
>
>I hope she got it :)
See, I get a bit of this sort of email too from people who've reading my
geek chicks articles or who just realised somehow that I'm female. It's
usually "hey, cool, another female, nice to see that it's not just me".
I'd like to make that reaction occur more often.
K.
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Manual? We've just been pushing buttons til it works...
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Vicky Brown (runs the
FunWithPerl list), Bek Oberin (runs the Perl-AI list), and yours truly
(runs Melbourne.pm, the Mason mailing list, and the perl-trainers list).
And probably others... I lose track :)
K.
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The most
the guys. :)
Robert may be thinking of something I may have said, which is that it's
often easiest to behave as "just one of the guys". But I could be
wrong.
K.
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Bad hair life.
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Cat wrote:
>The teacher (male) said, "Well, good morning and welcome gentlemen -- oh,
>and ladies?"
Extremely common, everywhere from schools to open source conferences. I
just so love being an afterthought, don't you?
K.
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is the same as ever: "I'm a woman and I get no discrimination"
>gets moderated to five, and comments about "it's true; I see few
>women in my sci/math class" and "it's true; I have experienced
>this" are down at one and zero with the trolls a
other commitments
K.
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The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time. -- Bertrand Russell
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In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sunnanvind wrote:
>
>Isn't this what Ms. is?
In theory, yes. In practice, it gets translated as "rabid man-hating
lesbian feminist".
Which is not necessarily a bad thing.
K.
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Kirrily 'Skud' Robert - [EMAIL PROTEC
think it's pronounced "Miz" or even "M.z" where "." indicates
a little non-vowel "uh" sound.
I know that if I'm talking to people on the phone and they give their
title as "Ms" I can tell the difference in pronunciation.
K.
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income and good schooling, hence good libraries and better reading
patterns, so I guess there is a tendency for lower-income women to be
less feminist in their attitudes.
But I'm probably opening myself up for a flaming here...
K.
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A witty saying proves nothing.
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Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
>On 13 Jan 2000, Kirrily 'Skud' Robert wrote:
>
>> Speaking of websites, I used to be "webmaster" for an ISP. I asked my
>> boss permission to set up aliases for either "webadmin" or "webmistress"
>> a
ou on that one. It's not just dresses either... womens
jackets and trousers often don't have pockets in them at all, let alone
numerous or capacious ones.
Feh.
Not that I'm the dresswearing type, much, but I might consider it if
they came with pocketses.
K.
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absence of.
K.
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We're all in a box and the instructions for getting out are on the outside.
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he IT
industry.
Any guesses as to what's going on?
(I have my own theories, but will save them until I've heard some other
opinions)
K.
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"Anyone out there who can transmit clues on where to find audio, video
l making
>them realistic -- accepting, for example, that working 70+ hour weeks is not
>socially sustainable, regardless of one's gender.]
Don't I know it. *sigh*
K.
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"Alas, he wouldn't let me towel him off afterwards, preferring to do that
if it would run on forever?" -- Megahal (trained on asr), 1998-11-06
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>the female-quotient of the FSF/OS movement? Maybe I'm over-analytical, but
>I'm really curious and want to know.
I think we need to send out a snail-mail survey to the wives,
girlfriends, partners, and female friends and workmates of male hackers,
and find out how many of them co
gt;taught by a woman, and you've released a pent-up demand amongst women
>who are more comfortable being taught this tech by a woman?
That's one of my theories, yes.
K.
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This webpage is designed to fade.
found myself hanging round with him and
another female friend, Faye. The term 'scarcity token' became a running
joke with us, in reference to women in hackerdom.
Just a token anecdote...
K.
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If there is anythi
on what sort of school it is. My school
was very, very feminist in outlook and pro-technology, which suited me
just fine. I don't imagine that all single-sex schools are like this.
K.
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"I have this h
less adversarial than making
statements. So "How does this work?" is better than "This doesn't
work." Which is something I know well enough to parrot, but which my
male co-PHBs keep having to point out to me when I upset someone at
Netizen by saying "this doesn
e to renew our call for volunteers. The current core
>Window Maker team is comprised of males, and there are many areas that could be
>filled (particularly by females)."
Wow...
K.
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Heavily armed, easily bored,
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jenn V. wrote:
>In my experience, I intimidate both genders. So I'm uncomfortable
>around anyone of /either/ gender who isn't a geek. And I even
>intimidate geeks sometimes. :(
Feh. You'll have to try harder than that at Netizen.
*I'm* the one that does the inti
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>} Only if she wants to date a man ;)
>
>Hear, hear!
While we're at it, here's a random whinge...
Occasionally (less often than I used to, for this very reason (among
others)) I will meet an interesting-looking MOTSS and get chatting, unti
t I do is much less likely to freak out
about it.
K.
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"Jesus ate my mouse" or some similar banality.
-- Megahal (trained on asr), 1998-11-06
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ly knows why this is. *shrug*
K.
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Anything you say will be distorted and remixed and used against you.
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ng the latest Netscape/MS
browsers on normal font size settings".
>> $DEITY only knows why this is. *shrug*
>Presumable that's an array ? ;)
An array would be @DEITIES. I guess I should say:
$DEITIES[rand(@DEITIES)]
K.
(too much perl training, argh!)
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but
lesbians can't :)
But this is off-topic.
ObChix: the person heading up TurboLinux in .au is Nicole someone.
K.
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I think I'd like to see a Simpsons episode start up with Bart Simpson
writing 'I wil
society" describes over half of our society. Some days I'm amazed
>women put up with us at all.
I'm probably misquoting slightly, but I like the quote by Rebecca
West(?) which goes "I don't know what a feminist is; I only know that I
am accused of being one whenever I
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