Simon Britnell wrote:
> > > is this something that needs to be fixed with the world?
> > I'd say yes!
>
> (knee jerks) NNNnnnooo!!!
>
> Well, actually maybe.
>
> For women who want to do really technical stuff, but feel they can't for
> some reason then I agree:
I think this happ
Hi, Telsa, and everyone else,
> Interesting thread to return to.
Isn't it? See what happens when we don't read the list every day? :)
> I went away for a week. Before it, I was remarking that linuxchix
> posts seemed to be more than half from men these days.
It's probably true :(
> To me, t
Hi, Magni, and everyone else,
> The Linuxchix lists are actually female lists, and I don't really think
> men will feel discriminated against just because they aren't welcome to
> send their mails to such a list until 24 hours have passed.
Don't bet on it. I know we haven't seen the "why do you
Hi, Mary, and everyone else,
> In my opinion, technical issues are largely non-gender oriented (kernel
> compiling is the same be you boy or girl). It's just that women may be
> turned off my the locker-room stuff of RTFM, vi vs emacs, pointless
> flamge.
...or to be condescended to or treated t
Laurel Fan wrote:
> Excerpts from linuxchix: 21-Mar-101 Re: [issues] Conversation m.. by
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > I've a tendancy to not-answer unless I am absolutely certain I
> > know the answer, or there's not been an answer for 12 hours or so.
> >
> > Can anyone explain to me why I do that?
>
Hi, Jenny,
> So, I came as a way to see (with my very own eyes) that the
> stereotype was wrong. And thus, to gain more confidence in my
> own skills and overcome some of the conditioning.
>
> To that extent, it's been somewhat helpful, but not as much as
> I expected. Mainly, I think, it's bec
Hi, Julie, and everyone else,
> It's 45" (114cm) from my waist to the damned floor and I have a hard
> time buying pants with the correct rise.
I have the opposite, and with tops, not pants. I'm short (petite?) and while
petite size pants fit just fine, do you know how many cool geek Ts I have
Hi, everyone,
This probably need to migrate to issues, but...
I think I need to point out that Adobe is one of the companies funding the
lobbying in favor of UCITA. I don't often agree with RMS, but he is 100%
correct when he calls UCITA the greatest threat to Free / Open Source
software today.
Hi, everyone,
It may be time to move this thread to grrltalk. I am cross posting this
one... Care to follow me over there?
Snarfblat wrote:
> it is sad when an open minded perspective is considered extreme.
Yep. I think you hit upon why in the next question and comments...
> On a
> somewh
> Don't treat me as if I'm handicapped because I
> have a vagina ... and don't embellish my accomplishments for the
> same reason either ... just treat me as an equal!
>
> - Mary; feeling like an extremist feminist sometimes.
Hi, Mary,
That is exactly it! Why am I, a "Senior Network Engineer"
> I may be wrong, but I think you miss my point. It doesn't matter how I
> mess wth Linux. It dosn't matter how I build my machines. The rest of the
> world wants easy to understand, easy to work with Linux and when they
> don't get it, they might just forget about it.
>
> But I guess that's not a
Hi, Helaine,
Like Jenn, I only meet part of your "requirements" :)
"Jenn V." wrote:
> Helaine McFerron wrote:
> >
> > As of this date I have yet to meet
> > another women that is into being vegan/greenie/hippie/queer and all that
> > plus a geek. Maybe I will meet some, maybe their on this lis
Hi,
>
> Because those who were being published, like James Triptree Jr. and C.L.
> Moore, were not widely known to be female.
...and C.J. Cherryh, Andre Norton, and so on...
OTOH, how could he argue that Ursula K. Leguin, Zenna Henderson, Vonda
McIntyre, or Kate Wilhelm can't write good science
>
> No. I mean that neither gender has a monopoly or greed,
> or cynicism. What other causes of discrimination are
> there?
Mainly ignorance. I've always thought that was the main cause of most
discrimination and prejudice.
"You mean Jews don't have horns"
-Caity
[EMAIL
Hi, Robert,
>
> I don't think it's a question of "respect" and "sexism." I think more
> appropriate words would be "abuse," and "repression."
When no woman in the group, one of whom was the most talented network person
I have ever met, can suggest an idea and have it accepted or adopted, yet
whe
Hi, JB,
> Tell me when a suitable candidate has run for president?
IMHO, 1992. Paul Tsongas, though he was out of the running by the time my
state's primaries came around. Prior to that, probably 1980. John Anderson
was the last candidate I voted for rather than against.
> If a female ran f
Hi, Kelly,
>
> >Currently, if a woman wants to be in any field, and is of the proper
> >mindset, there is nothing that will keep her out...not sexism, not
> >low pay, not anythingdetermination, willpower and strength...
>
> And this is why we've had a female president? You can't tell me that
Hi, JB,
> Maybe not at that particular company, and granted, that is a problem, but,
> honsetly, would you want to work under those conditions?
Nope. The thing is, I have. I was hired by an IT Director to work for the
Network Services Manager in one place. The man who ended up being my direc
J B wrote:
> Currently, if a woman wants to be in any field, and is of the proper
> mindset, there is nothing that will keep her out...not sexism,
Really You mean if a guy is sexist, doesn't take women seriously, and
doesn't hire them for top positions, women can get in anyway? Hmmm...
Hi, Simon,
> Wow! I certainly seem to have stirred up a hornets nest here.
I'd say you have! Don't worry about it, though. So long as it remains
positive, and people talk to each other instead of past each other, I think
it's healthy.
>
> I'm stunned that
> anyone can be quite as stupid as t
Hi,
>
> > I am a geek who has answered the phone and been asked to pass the
> > caller on to 'someone who understands technical matters'.
>
> That sucks.
Yep, and Jenn is hardly unique. Some of our male peers in the field also
encourage this attitude, or practice it themselves.
>
> > I am a geek
Hi, Telsa and everyone else:
- Original Message -
From: Telsa Gwynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I am thinking that something along the same lines for women who
> work with open source might be similarly encouraging, especially
> if people who come across it can submit their names, too. In fa
Hi, JB,
> I have to ask...what would youy say about the healthcare industry?
IMHO, health care should be nationalized, as was done in Canada, and as is
the case in most European and other developed countries.
My complaint is with the insurance companies more than the actual health
care provide
Hi, Vinnie,
> Do you think they would want
> drugs that could cause permanant neurological damage given to their
> children by their doctors?
...or causes birth defects, something I know about first-hand.
We *need* the government to have laws and rules that protect the people.
Curious is arguin
Hi, Amanda,
> Lurker, FreeBSD-user, trying to figure out whether to triple-boot or just
> convert from FreeBSD to Linux
If you have the disk space, triple booting is not all that painful.
Just my .02
Caity
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
J.B.,
>
> Nobut it would have died anyway...M$ would never have agreed to
continue
> to update it, and IBM did not have the programming resources to support
it.
This is flat out wrong. All the reasonable successful versions of OS/2 Warp
were pure IBM. They did and do have the resources, and
J.B,
>
> Also, all you M$ bashers for OS/2did not M$ have the right to kill
OS/2,
> since they WROTE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE, under agreement from IBM?
This is *not* accurate. They wrote versions 1.0 and 1.1 only, which were 16
bit. The later 32 bit versions were almost pure IBM.
No, they d
Hi, Cat,
> > want to lable it.. and they wanted more people to use thier product as
> > apposed to IBM's product... so they ask thier competitor to leave a
> > product behind... ok...
>
> No, they *forced* their competitor to leave a product behind. In fair
> practice, IBM would have been force
Here we go again...
Chris, please, at least spell check your messages before you send them.
>
> They came up with an operating system that would run on intel based
> hardware... that people would want to run the applications they also
> wanted to run.
No, they bought an operating system, then de
Argh!
OK, one more go...
>
> If a corporation breaks a law.. what would you like to see happen... going
> for an extreme here... if microsoft hires an assasan to kill Linus.. what
> should happen?
Actually, corporations are not protected if someone within them commits
murder. However, I think t
Hi,
>
> I'm actualy worried about what restrictions may be placed on microsoft..
> computer technology is still a very new field..
It's been around since the 1930s actually. PCs are now 18 years old, too.
> placing restrictions on it
> now is a bad thing..
Actually, what innovate new technolog
Hi, everyone,
Is anybody as happy about the finding of facts as I am? I really hope that
this will limit Microsoft's ability to try and crush Linux as a competitor.
Also, as a former OS/2 loyalist, considering what Microsoft did to my former
favorite OS, and *how* they did it, this doesn't both
Hi, Kelly,
>
> No, of course this isn't their intent. It is, however, the effect.
> I'm sure 90+% of the male geeks in the Linux community are completely
> unaware of the impact their inadvertent sexism has on women. That is
> _exactly_ the problem
Thank you for putting what I've been trying to
> Ok, PC being taken too far.
Umm... no, it's not. By calling most of the women who object to your posts
"PC", you're being dismissive, both to them and the points they are trying
to make.
> That seems like a rather "looking-for-a-fight" remark.
Funny, that's how I've seen many of your posts.
>
> >"Yes, I *am* in technical support. No, there isn't somebody more
> >knowledgeable you can talk to."
>
>
> That stinks. But I know the feeling. For me, it has nothing to do with
> gender. It's from the tone of voice...That vacant "I'm reading from a
> script" kind of voice
That wasn't the
Hi, Brendan,
> Again, I say.
> Try another community section if you don't like the one you're in.
> You don't go into the red light section of Las Vegas if you're looking for
> Chucky Cheese. Welcome to America.
What I'd like to say to you is rude and is a flame, so I'll tone it down. I
will s
Hi, Vinnie and everyone else,
>
> It sure can't be changed if no one tries.
>
Yep, and when we try, want to bet we get a pretty hostile response, akin to
what the articles on ZDNet and Slashdot about LinuxChix got, or far worse?
What I find, when it comes to issues like this (and sexism as well) i
>I
> believe there needs to be a change in the horny-male-geeks-only atmosphere
> that's awfully pervasive. I'm tired of being asked whether I'm a
> perky-breasted-Linux-chick, and I'm tired of endless references to penises
> and to porn in Linux-related irc channels.
>
Hi, Ingrid,
Amen!
Isn't
Hi,
I rarely see a post I totally disagree with, down to almost every word.
Here is one:
I wrote:
>
> >How do we get folks to use it at home? How do we get the word out
> >and *show* people that we have something really special here in terms
they
> >can understand and accept?
>
> I see comments
Hi, everyone,
At last night's Triangle LinuxChix meeting, Michelle Leonard of Inovision
did a presentation on her company's image analysis software, which they
recently released for Linux. It had previously been an SGI/IRIX product,
and moving to Linux offered lower cost to their customers and i
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