Re: [FRIAM] FRIAM and causality

2007-11-13 Thread Eric Smith
l, but to say that the Hammer caused the nail to > penetrate the > wood is to invent an unobservable, an instantaneous "cause". > > Like most people, I would prefer to be stoned to death than be > ignored. > > Nick > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Er

Re: [FRIAM] FRIAM and CAUSALITY (was NOT "complexity and emergence")

2007-12-11 Thread Eric Smith
Hi Nick, Given the energy (and time!) apparently available to this thread, it is with some trepidation that I poke my head out of the weeds. (On the other hand, congratulations, Steve). I like your last post about patterns, except for the strong emphasis on psychological/mental attribution, if c

Re: [FRIAM] Eric Smith's mainstream Wired article on biological thermodynamics and evolution

2008-02-14 Thread Eric Smith
Thanks Steve, I didn't know that this existed. It is really hopeful that the author of the series puts Guy's work in the same frame as Carl Woese's, probably without realizing that I am part of collaborations with both of them. That suggests that the idea is taking on some recognizable coherence

Re: [FRIAM] DIY science

2013-04-23 Thread Eric Smith
Hi Russ, > I still don't see how I would use it other than in devices that I don't build > but that take advantage of it--although I can't think of any of those either. If I am not mistaken, accurate GPS, and perhaps even the GPS in common usage, needs to make appropriate corrections for the ra

Re: [FRIAM] Presented for FRIAMic Consideration

2013-04-23 Thread Eric Smith
Hi Doug, I know this isn't the main point of the thread, and perhaps already stuff you know, in which case apologies for redundancy: > Even the events after that instant of the big bang, where it is postulated > that our universe expanded from sub-atomic dimensions, through inflation > (infla

Re: [FRIAM] Presented for FRIAMic Consideration

2013-04-23 Thread Eric Smith
Thanks Robert and Owen too, Yes, many sins. in all possible arenas. The only limit is how fast one can commit them E On Apr 23, 2013, at 5:30 PM, Robert Holmes wrote: > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote: > I've never heard of inflation being attributed to the Higg'

Re: [FRIAM] Wordsworth; AI

2013-05-18 Thread Eric Smith
On May 18, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Pamela McCorduck wrote: > A recent BBC roundup of science stories has the Wordsworth story somebody > here was wondering about, and also a piece from Mother Jones about artificial > intelligence. > > Wordsworth (pay what you think this story is worth) is the projec

Re: [FRIAM] 36 hour online game/research exercise

2013-09-10 Thread Eric Smith
Hi Roger and Steve, After using games to make decisions, may as well use them to define truth values: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-games/ I got led into this connection through pointers to Jaakko HIntikka's game theoretic semantics (pointed out to me by Cosma Shalizi many years ago),

Re: [FRIAM] 36 hour online game/research exercise

2013-09-10 Thread Eric Smith
Hi Steve, Thanks for this. Where I got into this was actually the problem of the excluded middle. I was cringing that I had committed a rude thread hijack, since the use of "game" on the thread had emphasized the interface and the method for pooling participant inputs. I was using the notion

Re: [FRIAM] Game Theory was : 36 hour online game/research exercise

2013-09-11 Thread Eric Smith
Thanks Steve, Many good things, and clearly this is an area where you have worked much harder and better to understand than I have, so I am happy to follow you. >> Whether one is to worry about that or not is a matter of what you like to >> worry about, but clearly it is far from the kinds of

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Wonkbook: Obamacare's web site is really bad

2013-10-04 Thread Eric Smith
I think it says he is traveling until the 16th of October, and if you need anything, call Elena Fedorova. On Oct 4, 2013, at 3:15 PM, cody dooderson wrote: > is that an automated response from yuri? > > Cody Smith > > > On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 11:05 AM, y...@icgamma.ru wrote: > Я нахожусь в

Re: [FRIAM] [WedTech] BitCoin

2013-11-21 Thread Eric Smith
> However, I wonder if a physical currency can be backed by Bitcoins, just as > most physical currencies today are backed by fiat and used to be backed by > the value of the metal in them (or for paper, metal stored en masse > elsewhere). It's a neat question Arlo. I would add along-side it the

Re: [FRIAM] Why I was wrong about the nuclear option

2013-12-06 Thread Eric Smith
Hi Nick (who started the thread, regarding induction, but teasing with current events), and Arlo who has kept it alive, For days I have been trying not to respond, but … This is about the nuclear option, not about induction. Malcolm Gladwell had a piece in the New Yorker about David and Golia

Re: [FRIAM] Why I was wrong about the nuclear option

2013-12-06 Thread Eric Smith
> I would answer this way, but it isn't because I want to see hope dashed and > beauty destroyed. It's because > I want to destroy the destroyers. > > Marcus Yes. I understand. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fri

Re: [FRIAM] [WedTech] Fwd: Cassini Photo: Stunning New Views of Saturn’s Hexagon Storm – News Watch

2013-12-15 Thread Eric Smith
I would be surprised if this were it, Steve. Benard cells are a packing phenomenon, so they rely on the cooperative effect through the lattice to form. I assume this Saturn jet stream basically has a latitudinal instability, and the interference effect from having it recycle either adjusts the

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [IP] Re Read re Losing a Generation of Scientists

2014-03-03 Thread Eric Smith
Pamela, hi I actually thought it was extremely interesting, but have no knowledge of my own to contribute. Somebody you might like is a Swedish economist (now emeritus) named Gunnar Eliasson, wwho has spent much of his career studying the detailed planning and mechanics by which governmen

Re: [FRIAM] Open Access Publication

2014-04-16 Thread Eric Smith
Hi Russell, You know what would be a really useful datum, and which probably exists though I haven't tried to look for such: Some simple two-color plot or list of the impact factors of journals, grouped according to whether their copyright agreements do or do not permit open access. One

Re: [FRIAM] Open Access Publication

2014-04-16 Thread Eric Smith
onnel file that has not been "published". Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Eric Smith

Re: [FRIAM] BBC News - Ant colony 'personalities' shaped by environment

2014-08-15 Thread Eric Smith
Quick, somebody call David Chalmers! On Aug 15, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Eric Charles wrote: > Weird that they want to call it "personality" instead of more simply saying > that ant colonies seem to adapt to their local environment. Of course, the > flashiness of the claim is the only reason it is be

Re: [FRIAM] BBC News - Ant colony 'personalities' shaped by environment

2014-08-16 Thread Eric Smith
Hi Steve, I am neither knowledgeable, nor do I have time to report even my own experiences, without making a mess of things. But perhaps I can give some titles of things people have pointed out to me. There seem to be several schools of approach (meaning, groups of people who criticize each o

Re: [FRIAM] BBC News - Ant colony 'personalities' shaped by environment

2014-08-16 Thread Eric Smith
Professor of Psychology and Biology > Clark University > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > -Original Message- > From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Eric Smith > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2014 12:32 PM > To: The Fri

Re: [FRIAM] BBC News - Ant colony 'personalities' shaped by environment

2014-08-24 Thread Eric Smith
> I guess the question boils down to how you respond to challenges about > philosophical zombies. These discussions normally begin with someone > asserting "You can imagine things that behave exactly like you and I in all > ways, but not conscious." The presenter then goes on to lay out a series

Re: [FRIAM] Constructor Theory!

2014-08-28 Thread Eric Smith
On Aug 24, 2014, at 11:38 PM, Steve Smith wrote: > Marcus sed: > I'm torn: Nihilism or Constructor Theory? :-) > > Very nice work... > http://constructortheory.org/ > > Seems like it goes hand-in-glove with Stu's Adjacent Possibles ? I make a pact with you, Stu Kaufmann Sorry,

Re: [FRIAM] 100 MW fusion reactor in 7x10 foot footprint, 10 years to deployment

2014-10-16 Thread Eric Smith
I think they are Jochen, I bet the reactor is the power plant in this: http://www.trendhunter.com/trends/zero-helicopter-concept which makes it so small and elegant. On Oct 16, 2014, at 1:27 AM, Jochen Fromm wrote: I thought Lookheed is building planes? Here are some details http://aviationwe

Re: [FRIAM] Link to Pradeep Sen's Dual Photography

2014-11-04 Thread Eric Smith
Thanks Stephen, Writing you from Germany, after the week before in Chile. Will look forward to going through this as the moving-around settles. Was good to run into you in SF. Take care, Eric On Oct 26, 2014, at 11:38 PM, Stephen Guerin wrote: At FRIAM, there was a discussion on Pradeep

Re: [FRIAM] GAS

2014-12-01 Thread Eric Smith
Hi Nick and Arlo, > Yes. What got me about this was the fact that the idea of gas as a chaotic > state of matter goes WAY back. Here it seems the etymology goes the other way, though, right? The notion of a "chaotic state of matter" is actually a new borrowing of a term, with about as much

[FRIAM] advice on a most-portable computer

2015-01-03 Thread Eric Smith
Hi Everybody, May I ask for technical advice, please, from you who are probably the most knowledgeable and informed community I know? I have a friend who is likely to spend the next several years in a very high-travel situation, with six months or so in Asia each year and six in the U.S., and

Re: [FRIAM] Congratulations on publication of your new book, Eric!

2015-02-18 Thread Eric Smith
nter-agent interaction that lie behind arbitrary frequency-dependent fitness > models. > > Authors: Eric Smith and Supriya Krishnamurthy > > doi:10.1088/978-0-7503-1137-3 > Published January 2015. > Online ISBN: 978-0-7503-1137-3 > Print ISBN: 978-0-7503-1138-0 > >

Re: [FRIAM] gintis's Game Theory Evolving

2006-08-10 Thread Eric Smith
Nick, hi, I think a lot of people agree with your take on a very heavy emphasis on a somewhat narrow view of game theory. Though it is not without its difficulties, a book I have found valuable is Martin Shubik's "Game Theory in the Social Sciences". This is written more from the perspective of

Re: [FRIAM] Can current AI beat humans at doing science?

2021-07-20 Thread David Eric Smith
Nah. The thing that will drive academic scientists extinct within a semester is when google reveals AlphaGrant. Our world is not the one Simon and Newall lived in. The worth of an idea today is determined entirely and exclusively by what dollar value the proponent can fetch with it at the baz

Re: [FRIAM] Can current AI beat humans at doing science?

2021-07-20 Thread David Eric Smith
Could I revive within me Her symphony and song To such deep delight ’twould win me That with music loud and long I would build that pleasure dome in air That sunny dome, those caves of ice etc. etc. > On Jul 21, 2021, at 8:41 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > When I was in the Robotics Institute (no

Re: [FRIAM] MM implies (*)

2021-07-26 Thread David Eric Smith
That’s interesting, Jon, I completely failed to put 2 and 2 together to realize that Starbird is a name I know from UT days, though I had never met him. I guess because I was not a math major during the time I was there, I had only very few contacts in the math department, and never happened t

Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

2021-08-08 Thread David Eric Smith
Hi Frank, Only because Marcus responded…. This article https://ourfiniteworld.com/2021/08/05/covid-19-vaccines-dont-really-work-as-hoped/ Isn’t a good start. I didn’t read the whole thing, so I will confine my

Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

2021-08-09 Thread David Eric Smith
It is quite something. How about the Navajo Nation in NM and AZ, and even the counties surrounding them. They have it together. I had heard from a few sources that in much of the S and SW, it was only on the reservations that you saw serious and consistent measures taken to provide for public

Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

2021-08-10 Thread David Eric Smith
go. > > Again, i appreciate the time you spent on this. > > Frank > > > > > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, 2:26 AM David Eric Smith <mailto

Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

2021-08-10 Thread David Eric Smith
not lazy, I > could find and download the data and make my own histogram. > > > Well, if it is only five times, then what is really the POINT? > Let’s tell Rand Paul about these gross exaggerations ASAP! > > Thanks, > > Marcus > > From: Friam mailto:fria

Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

2021-08-11 Thread David Eric Smith
Thank you Glen! Eric > On Aug 12, 2021, at 12:06 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > > Attached. > > Missing Arkansas, Connecticut, Florida, Hawaii, Iowa, Kansas, Maryland, > Missouri, New York, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Wyoming. > > On 8/10/21 4:43 PM, David Eric Smith wro

Re: [FRIAM] (no subject)

2021-08-11 Thread David Eric Smith
Nicely written article, on a thing we have been looking forward to for a while. Would be interesting to look at this state under Lorentz transforms, given that it is spatially localized and using Anderson’s asymptotically-total internal reflection to create a specially ordered pattern (if I unde

Re: [FRIAM] ivermectin, nope

2021-08-15 Thread David Eric Smith
You know what’s fun in this, is the window it gives on the sources of people’s finding things compelling: what G.C. Rota called “the unthematized” in his writings on phenomenology (philosopher’s sense, not science usage). If so many Eastern traditions hadn’t built up such a sense that all this w

Re: [FRIAM] ivermectin, nope

2021-08-15 Thread David Eric Smith
> On Aug 16, 2021, at 3:08 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > I understand Hydroxychloroquine to have been used widely in developing > (equatorial) countries as an antiviral (in particular Malaria) \ > Not antiviral, Steve. Plasmodium isn’t even a bacterium; it is a protozoan. One of us, gooble gobbl

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-18 Thread David Eric Smith
This is one that it would be nice to see broken down by age and other conditions. If unvaxxed hospitalizations are a true “cross section of America” (like jury duty), whereas the vaxxed ones are mainly old or sick with something else, that would be an important variable for deriving a risk prof

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-18 Thread David Eric Smith
le; smaller social networks > and lower spatial density. And further they attach themselves to these crazy > ideas because no one ever has the opportunity to push back except people that > go way out of their way like Glen. > > -Original Message- > From: Friam mailto:f

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-18 Thread David Eric Smith
r social networks > and lower spatial density. And further they attach themselves to these crazy > ideas because no one ever has the opportunity to push back except people that > go way out of their way like Glen. > > -Original Message- > From: Friam mailto:friam-b

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-19 Thread David Eric Smith
to:wimber...@gmail.com>> wrote: > So that's why I'm feeling uneasy as I approach 80. 😐 > > > > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2021, 5:38 PM

Re: [FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

2021-08-19 Thread David Eric Smith
> On Aug 20, 2021, at 1:31 AM, Jochen Fromm wrote: > > The governor of Texas, Greg Abbott, has tested positive for the virus, > although he is fully vaccinated. He has no symptoms but receives the same > $100,000 Regeneron treatment as Donald Trump, maybe because he sits in a > wheelchair a

Re: [FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

2021-08-19 Thread David Eric Smith
There is an angle on this that I have wondered about. In a sort of short-term sense, it would have been very gratifying for SARS-CoV-2 to have killed trump. You know that tired trope: God is dead — Nietzche Nietzsche is dead — God Same idea. But as I think of it, I think that

Re: [FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

2021-08-19 Thread David Eric Smith
So Marcus, Your response is interesting. What I was thinking of as the inflammation was BLM, or the fact that the Georgia organizers were able to get enough voters out to get all three of Biden, Warnock, and Ossof into office, which even with their same heroic efforts over years I don’t think

Re: [FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

2021-08-20 Thread David Eric Smith
Thanks Steve, I hadn’t heard about this latest little bit of lunacy. Marcus is right; what must the guy’s life be like that, to very likely end up in jail for not really anything seemed like a good idea? Martin Scheffer ought to be all over this, with his “early warning signals”, using analys

Re: [FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

2021-08-20 Thread David Eric Smith
, particularly to the quorum sensing >> conception, are latent variables in causal inference and neutral networks in >> evolution. Rebecca's recent video essay on leaky vaccines may also ring some >> bells: https://youtu.be/_J-zWtoG9ZM, which seems akin to the relationship

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

2021-08-23 Thread David Eric Smith
Nick, what’s the difference between having and doing? I once heard Ray Jackendoff give quite a nice talk on word categories. Of all of it, the one part I remember the most about is what he said about prepositions. Even after you are getting right most of the rest of word usage in a new langua

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

2021-08-24 Thread David Eric Smith
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Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

2021-08-24 Thread David Eric Smith
liary verb and the latter > denotes possession. > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2021, 5:48 AM David Eric Smith <mailto:desm...@santafe.edu>> wrote: > It’s the right

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

2021-08-24 Thread David Eric Smith
orld through > our minds, or do we see our minds through the world? > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > Nick Thompson > > thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <h

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

2021-08-24 Thread David Eric Smith
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Re: [FRIAM] Kill it!

2021-08-25 Thread David Eric Smith
> Note: Some beehives have a defense, they clump around the scout in a buzzing > ball, and though many in the ball lose their heads, collectively they raise > the temperature of the hornet scout and "cook" it. It doesn't release > enough pheromone such that the other hornets follow up. All, d

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

2021-08-25 Thread David Eric Smith
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Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side

2021-08-26 Thread David Eric Smith
Two thoughts on your below, Jochen, which seem to me to belong in the list along with what you have: 1. If we don’t care what they called it — “element” — then the question is, were the classical Greeks as right as one could be at the time? We now use the word “element” to refer to a Mendeleev

Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side

2021-08-26 Thread David Eric Smith
Those who seek cooperative or collaborative support, jointly generated, from others, should explain themselves to all as contributing a part of the joint effort, collaboration, and mutual responsibility. The same argument applies to not being exploitative in wage negotiations, poisoning backyar

Re: [FRIAM] aversive learning

2021-09-01 Thread David Eric Smith
There’s a statistic I would like to see, but would be costly to collect and encounter ethics troubles (withholding of known help), so will probably not be available. For 2-shot vaccines, it is considered important that the second shot be the same formula as the first. Reason being that we buil

Re: [FRIAM] aversive learning

2021-09-01 Thread David Eric Smith
> On Sep 1, 2021, at 11:41 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > I was made to take piano lessons for five years. I did minimal practice, but > still hated it and the idea of it. I can’t do it all now, and don’t wish I > could. Don’t tell me what is important. I will prioritize what I want. I am

Re: [FRIAM] aversive learning

2021-09-01 Thread David Eric Smith
essage- > From: Friam On Behalf Of David Eric Smith > Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 2:37 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] aversive learning > > There’s a statistic I would like to see, but would be costly to collect a

Re: [FRIAM] aversive learning

2021-09-01 Thread David Eric Smith
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Re: [FRIAM] aversive learning

2021-09-02 Thread David Eric Smith
th even when it wasn't the > mathematician's purpose. > > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, 6:55 PM David Eric Smith <mailto:desm...@santafe.edu>>

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

2021-09-03 Thread David Eric Smith
I am amazed that the total extraction is only 85,000 tons/year now. If all vehicular transportation does go Li or Li-ion battery-based, we really should be planning for all this to be integrated with demand-buffering of the grid. No reason to build a completely separate parallel buffer bank u

Re: [FRIAM] Can empirical discoveries be mathematical?

2021-09-04 Thread David Eric Smith
Please allow me to try to make things worse, if I can. I worry that I may be partly responsible for the origin of this thread, in my jabs at the analytical philosophers, who I think are responsible for…. No, wait; I won’t start that again. In any case, I read Nick’s post as a good-faith effort

Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur

2021-09-09 Thread David Eric Smith
Aha! This is why Iceland has the highest per-capita fraction of published authors in the world. I had assumed it was the weather…. > On Sep 10, 2021, at 2:17 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > That can be screened as well with a large population-wide survey such has > been done in the UK or Icela

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

2021-09-15 Thread David Eric Smith
Pieter, On its own, I don’t think the statement means anything. You have to know what the cohort was and what the null model was. I think that in all these trials, to be seeking approval for multiple age groups, they must have tested in multiple age groups as well. Sometimes old people die,

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

2021-09-16 Thread David Eric Smith
Yes, I wondered if anyone else enjoyed that as much as I did. > On Sep 17, 2021, at 1:15 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > > sum(reasons_for_death) != number_of_deaths, and Death itself is listed as a > reported cause of death. > > -- rec -- > > On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 12:01 PM Pieter Steenekamp

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

2021-09-16 Thread David Eric Smith
> On Sep 17, 2021, at 1:28 AM, > wrote: > > Would any of you buy a seat belt that was marketed to not cause deaths? You > are so lost in your point about small numbers that you’ve lost your sense of > the plain meaning of words. Sheesh! Yes. Like “goal”. And “function”. I pass judgmen

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

2021-09-16 Thread David Eric Smith
This is where there is a style of use of language that may be unique to Nick among all humans, or may be a tribal custom among the psychologists, but which the common man needs to be aware exists, so that he knows that the way Nick/psychologists use words will be directly opposed to the way the

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

2021-09-16 Thread David Eric Smith
I was young > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 3:32 PM David Eric Smith <mailto:desm...@santafe.edu>> wrote: > This is where there is a style of use of l

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

2021-09-17 Thread David Eric Smith
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Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-17 Thread David Eric Smith
Quick answer to your specific question below, Steve. Whether or not it says more about the concept or about my accidental window on it, of course, I cannot know. But to me, the cleanest example of a true epiphenomenon is the way neoclassical economics in its pure Arrow-Debreu form treats instit

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

2021-09-17 Thread David Eric Smith
es >>> above. >>> >>> Frankly, you shouldn’t have any faith that my average psychology colleague >>> will rescue me. 90% of them, directly or indirectly, make their living off >>> The Hard Problem. >>> >>> EricC and JonZ might d

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-17 Thread David Eric Smith
What do you call a Jewish Uber driver in Texas who takes women to clinics, because an upstander accepts danger and difficulty? An Uber-mensch. > On Sep 18, 2021, at 2:20 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > > >> More mob justice: >> >> US rightwing group targets academics with Professor Watchlist >> h

Re: [FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence

2021-09-22 Thread David Eric Smith
That might be where the Havana syndrome is coming from. There actually are microwave-powered agents stalking these various CIA, and they need to recharge in situ from time to time, with a little sideband cooking of the biologicals in the beamline. > On Sep 23, 2021, at 5:17 AM, Marcus Daniels

Re: [FRIAM] ivermectin

2021-09-23 Thread David Eric Smith
So the Monbiot article below is really interesting. Let me put in the link to a pdf (I don’t know whether legitimate or in violation of some paywall) to an article I mentioned before: https://campus.albion.edu/gcocks/files/2013/08/Fascinating-Fascism.pdf

Re: [FRIAM] Advertents and Inadvertents

2021-09-24 Thread David Eric Smith
Hi Nick, Sorry to be slow. A dozen branches on the exchange so far in which it would be nice to engage, but I have to forego almost-all those. There may not be much I can offer to the question you ask below, even by way of opinion. My general take is that if somebody wants to build something,

Re: [FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence

2021-09-24 Thread David Eric Smith
Yes, this seems really important to me: > That "antifa affiliated" guy who shot Tiny is probably susceptible to peer > pressure to *stop* carrying his gun to town, much like the Proud Boys coach > their participants not to start fights and always cooperate with the cops. > The more organized An

Re: [FRIAM] ivermectin

2021-09-24 Thread David Eric Smith
of the Nazis, often at midnight. Hitler's dogs, Hitler's drugs, Hitler's home > in Austria, etc. For me it feels as if the past is haunting us. There might > be a psychological aspect behind (collective) spooky phenomena :-/ > > -J. > > > Original m

Re: [FRIAM] Advertents and Inadvertents

2021-09-26 Thread David Eric Smith
Yeah. What a guy. I had the impression there wasn’t anything he could master. Currently: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dabacon/ Eric > On Sep 24, 2021, at 6:09 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > I once had an office by Dave Bacon. Years later, and for many

Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

2021-10-01 Thread David Eric Smith
Doh! I’m such a dolt, watching the pretty pictures. They’re both Turing complete, correct? Is there a natural sense of writing a program that, in that algorithmic representation, you know is somehow algorithmically deep in 110, which then becomes something algorithmically interesting under th

Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

2021-10-02 Thread David Eric Smith
I feel in this, Frank, like your comments will fall on deaf ears, for an interesting reason. The thing you summarize for Nick is precisely the thing he wants to object to. It seems to me that Nick believes that Zeno’s arrow paradox, https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/paradox-zeno/

Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

2021-10-03 Thread David Eric Smith
ll the best, > > Nick > > > > Nick Thompson > thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwordpress.clarku.edu%2fnthompson%2f&c=E,1,FlKil6Oo-OcZgl

Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

2021-10-03 Thread David Eric Smith
cks...@gmail.com> > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwordpress.clarku.edu%2fnthompson%2f&c=E,1,FlKil6Oo-OcZgl78FjunjqYCa03v-EeN8BN8CwdDyjLHD_jatCwLzinRfqOjRK1t-unkmR727-kN4rAlm7dj8TLyUUpgoZZ9C6yLfABMPDC4&typo=1> > > From: Friam ma

Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

2021-10-03 Thread David Eric Smith
>> understand it a category error is a type error in natural language. Most >> people ignore them outside of tight, logical discourse I think analogous to >> the behavior of forgiving compilers. >> >> It's been 50 years since I studied compiler theory but I&#

Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

2021-10-03 Thread David Eric Smith
Maybe some viruses are alive in some definitions and some are > not? > > From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On > Behalf Of David Eric Smith > Sent: Sunday, October 3, 2021 9:39 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <mailto:friam@redf

Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

2021-10-04 Thread David Eric Smith
I think about as opposite to nugatory as one could get. Wu wei more like having an affect “get itself done” without making a big noise about doing it. A kind of more efficient getting-done by avoiding the distractions of self-conscious effort. > On Oct 3, 2021, at 11:35 PM, > wrote: > > S

Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

2021-10-06 Thread David Eric Smith
Gilding the lily, since I don’t disagree with anything that has specifically been said. I have felt like, somewhere between the deliberate distortion of Emerson that reads “consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds” (Fun ref see https://www.lawfareblog.com/foolish-consistency-hobgoblin-littl

Re: [FRIAM] Copernican thresholds; was: Newborn Heart Rate

2021-10-08 Thread David Eric Smith
be less bored, to have more options, or just to see something really new, would be great. Eric > On Oct 8, 2021, at 2:48 AM, Prof David West wrote: > > David Eric Smith wrote: > > "I cannot juggle hundreds of variables, and produce a result that would fail > _any_

Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

2021-10-08 Thread David Eric Smith
. That one will stay with me. Eric > On Oct 8, 2021, at 2:48 AM, Prof David West wrote: > > David Eric Smith wrote: > > "I cannot juggle hundreds of variables, and produce a result that would fail > _any_ test for randomness. I can conceive that maybe there are pe

Re: [FRIAM] Unexpected success

2021-10-11 Thread David Eric Smith
I believe this observation connects to the thread on bogus medical predictions by AIs. Also to the thread on “we speak different languages”, where somebody ran a translator program on the most-trollish non-language of the comments sections on social-media posts. > To become successful [in t

Re: [FRIAM] [dis]integrated

2021-10-11 Thread David Eric Smith
Yeah I don’t know. For some years I was working in ocean-floor engineering, and got a feel for seawater. For all the devices you design, it is all-surrounding and omnipresent. It relentlessly intrudes through any crack, seam, or pore, and it corrodes whatever it touches. For whatever reaso

Re: [FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

2021-10-13 Thread David Eric Smith
Would this be of any use? https://www.molgen.de/ It sounded like you were doing something that you want to be fast and in-line, and I don’t know if MOLGEN grants an API that offers that degree of flexibility. People I know who have worked with it say that it is fairly

Re: [FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

2021-10-13 Thread David Eric Smith
On 3: https://depth-first.com/articles/2020/05/04/stereochemistry-and-atom-parity-in-smiles/ > On Oct 13, 2021, at 12:54 PM, Jon Zingale wrote: > > Thanks Roger, Marcus. I am a newbie in this area and s

Re: [FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

2021-10-14 Thread David Eric Smith
Yes. Needing to do graph canonicalization deep in a loop that must run many times was a core problem for these guys: https://cheminf.imada.sdu.dk/mod/ They are very Very concerned to use the most efficient algorithm known at any time for graph isomorphism and

Re: [FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

2021-10-14 Thread David Eric Smith
> On Oct 13, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > > 2. In practice, do the edge cases that Roger mentioned effectively get added > into the rewrite rules for the grammar or are they a separate kind of thing? > > The edge cases are yours to deal with, they're totally legit potential > m

Re: [FRIAM] [dis]integrated

2021-10-14 Thread David Eric Smith
ey're repulsive *because* > they're so pitiable?) What we need is an education program that gives the > pathetic True Believers some tools that help them climb out of their hole. > But like the cops responding to a call from a homeless camp littered with > human feces a

Re: [FRIAM] [dis]integrated

2021-10-16 Thread David Eric Smith
Very nice line in Hossenfelder's podcast, which works because of her rather Aspergers delivery. What one hears (with a fully sincere affect): The society of truth-loving men no longer exists. Had there been a written version, one might have found: The “Society of Truth-Loving Men” no longer

Re: [FRIAM] stygmergy, CA's, and [biological] development

2021-10-20 Thread David Eric Smith
When I was a very very little kid, there was a “question” my parents pointed out to me, which they thought might be an important puzzle to work through, but they were busy enough holding life together (more or less like hoping they could keep the various dams from breaking from one day to the ne

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