This is one that it would be nice to see broken down by age and other conditions.
If unvaxxed hospitalizations are a true “cross section of America” (like jury duty), whereas the vaxxed ones are mainly old or sick with something else, that would be an important variable for deriving a risk profile by category. Time, time, time, to chase things down…. Eric > On Aug 19, 2021, at 4:53 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Soooo ... our house cleaner is anti-vax. My friends tell me we should fire > her. I've resisted confronting her over it. But hospitals being overrun > influenced me to press her a little bit. I claimed that the majority of > hospitalizations are the unvaxxed. She claimed that down near her (I think > closer to Centralia, WA), it was flipped, that the majority of > hospitalizations were vaccinated. We had the usual conversation where she > ended with "you believe your data and I believe my data" blather. So I > decided to see if I could find news articles claiming the majority of > hospitalized covid cases are the vaccinated. And I found this: > > Higher Death, Hospitalization Rates Among Vaccinated Individuals: UK COVID-19 > Data > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.visiontimes.com%2f2021%2f07%2f04%2fdeaths-hospital-vaccinated-uk.html&c=E,1,S5wT7eG_LxnTLuUE1RbuVEziaTP99eeGAnZxv_dtTYhpTiIkicxQt2mvokLXVbixkXhDcXvoLjNg1nGUqSLe66RnTqmVs_5EGMgv3Z6cPUYQEg,,&typo=1 > > Most COVID-19 Patients at Israel Hospital Fully Vaccinated, Doctor Calls > Mandates ‘Diabolic’ > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.visiontimes.com%2f2021%2f08%2f08%2fisrael-hospital-vaccinated.html&c=E,1,FDPrPMNiU5e621cpzQhoViPiTlcpkww8iHTLVFR9vwhMrJ_5m1j77NIXnZYqEweYmhJcGmbR5PUWpuOvQF1ZPV23_7Fw9AKvzzPGnjmS-w,,&typo=1 > > They're both from the "Vision Times", which looks to me like a Falun Gong > outlet, popular with Trumpists, anti-CCP, etc. So, I don't really want to do > any debunking or verification. I *want* to write it off as garbage. But their > source: > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fassets.publishing.service.gov.uk%2fgovernment%2fuploads%2fsystem%2fuploads%2fattachment_data%2ffile%2f1001359%2fVariants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_16.pdf&c=E,1,Z0AX7_CvU6zmg1ca9s0IY3_E3dshyhV2o2XdB9IZiLRuF4FqVWdK_4ijYuyJIk-wyRPEoaaRJUlchbHLmor1XP3Y-0_ioCec73m-PpoXtafAhLUS702P8MUqhA,,&typo=1 > seems legit. And the numbers in the article seem to match Table 4. > > Plugging in the numbers from the latest briefing: > https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-novel-sars-cov-2-variant-variant-of-concern-20201201 > > It really does seem to show that the death rate among vaxxed is higher than > that among unvaxxed. > > The LifeSiteNews site is obviously troll nonsense. But my concern is mostly > about that tech report from the UK and Herzog Hospital. Are these counter > examples to the NYT unvax/vax data? Are they small enough to be within error? > > -- > ☤>$ uǝlƃ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fmailman%2flistinfo%2ffriam_redfish.com&c=E,1,5m3q9gwLjB5XgPfPMCUS8tSOyRmgs8oigic3gckRviSyeVj6o_a-VaEwwwPhcJt7wS65-CWA2pK-6wFh36mmNd1jOvXxdQYJTlzgky_HdveQg2ry8kGqzQ,,&typo=1 > FRIAM-COMIC > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2ffriam-comic.blogspot.com%2f&c=E,1,g2WREPPELfNBefvRDG6LLsnR1UKZKBLNBalnm3PnxQvK_DKQefTBvLlZy9Ci6bQW70bCMXoDcDNcdxjOxvGNQiXt9fPCIhZ6E-r5HJQdjHEGI71jMQ,,&typo=1 > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/
