Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

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Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-19 Thread Marcus Daniels
Get off my lawn! On 8/19/21 8:31 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Whatever happened to getting paid a lot of money to anticipate the wishes of your employer? -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2021 8:22 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM]

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-19 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2021 8:22 AM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax > > Maybe. But we pay her $150 for 3 hours of work. That's $50/hr. She also takes > things we no longer want, like my old acoustic guit

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-19 Thread Marcus Daniels
Whatever happened to getting paid a lot of money to anticipate the wishes of your employer? -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2021 8:22 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax Maybe. But we pay her $150 for 3 hours of w

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-19 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
Maybe. But we pay her $150 for 3 hours of work. That's $50/hr. She also takes things we no longer want, like my old acoustic guitar, and sells them on ebay. Saves us a trip to Goodwill. So, while tipping her seems reasonable, I feel like we're already treating her quite well. There's a point whe

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-19 Thread Roger Critchlow
On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 10:15 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > Excellent. Thanks for the Gelman and Morris explanations. > > As for paying for a couple of days off for Tami, she's only here for ~3 > hours every 2 weeks. So, it's unclear how to go about giving her 2 days > off... I'd gladly pay her $100 or so

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-19 Thread Roger Critchlow
; >>>> >>>> Next the statistics police will be telling us how to use the data! >>>> >>>> Oh, and someone noticed that a lot of the unvaccinated can't afford to >>>> take two days off for vaccination side effects, no medical leave, you

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-19 Thread Marcus Daniels
Show respect by showing her the door. If someone wants clean contracts that don't stress their emotional modulation, give it to them. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2021 7:04 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] vax v

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-19 Thread Gary Schiltz
Glen, that has to be the comment of the day winner. Well said! On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 9:07 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > I appreciate that. But while I'm taking her and her ideas seriously, > discussing them calmly while holding a cup of coffee, people who hold those > very same ideas are carrying AR-15

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-19 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
h back except > people that go way out of their way like Glen. > > -Original Message- > From: Friam <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On Behalf Of David Eric Smith > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:09 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied C

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2021-08-19 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
I appreciate that. But while I'm taking her and her ideas seriously, discussing them calmly while holding a cup of coffee, people who hold those very same ideas are carrying AR-15 rifles and Don't Tread on Me flags while marching around downtown in desert fatigues, claiming they'll break into th

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-19 Thread David Eric Smith
and so are thus less susceptible; smaller social networks >> and lower spatial density. And further they attach themselves to these >> crazy ideas because no one ever has the opportunity to push back except >> people that go way out of their way like Glen. >> >> --

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-18 Thread David Eric Smith
oun...@redfish.com>> On > Behalf Of David Eric Smith > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:09 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <mailto:friam@redfish.com>> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax > > This is one that it would be nice to see broke

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-18 Thread David Eric Smith
riam-boun...@redfish.com>> On > Behalf Of David Eric Smith > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:09 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <mailto:friam@redfish.com>> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax > > This is one that it would be nice to see

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-18 Thread Frank Wimberly
r vaccination side effects, no medical leave, you could >>> try offering her 2 days and a few hours pay to get vaccinated. >>> >>> -- rec -- >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 4:58 PM Marcus Daniels >>> wrote: >>> >&

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-18 Thread thompnickson2
du/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 11:01 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax Simpson's paradox: even though two variables might be correlated in subgroups of a population they

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-18 Thread Frank Wimberly
gt; On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 4:58 PM Marcus Daniels >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Another hypothesis is that they tend to be less engaged in the economy >>>> and their communities and so are thus less susceptible; smaller social >>>> networks and lower spatia

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-18 Thread Roger Critchlow
te: >> >>> Another hypothesis is that they tend to be less engaged in the economy >>> and their communities and so are thus less susceptible; smaller social >>> networks and lower spatial density. And further they attach themselves to >>> these crazy id

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-18 Thread Prof David West
invite her back until the pandemic has become endemic. A > > distinction without a difference but then she can win the argument. :-) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:54 PM > > To:

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-18 Thread Frank Wimberly
thus less susceptible; smaller social >> networks and lower spatial density. And further they attach themselves to >> these crazy ideas because no one ever has the opportunity to push back >> except people that go way out of their way like Glen. >> >> -Origina

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-18 Thread David Eric Smith
This is one that it would be nice to see broken down by age and other conditions. If unvaxxed hospitalizations are a true “cross section of America” (like jury duty), whereas the vaxxed ones are mainly old or sick with something else, that would be an important variable for deriving a risk prof

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-18 Thread Jon Zingale
"S ... our house cleaner is anti-vax. My friends tell me we should fire her. I've resisted confronting her over it." Since you are asking for an opinion, I believe that abstaining from her service because you feel that your household is at risk directly or at risk of becoming a vector for the

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-18 Thread Roger Critchlow
way out of their way like Glen. > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of David Eric Smith > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:09 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax > > This is one that it would be

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-18 Thread Marcus Daniels
people that go way out of their way like Glen. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of David Eric Smith Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:09 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax This is one that it would be nice to see broken

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-18 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
aniels wrote: > Just don't invite her back until the pandemic has become endemic. A > distinction without a difference but then she can win the argument. :-) > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:54

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-18 Thread Marcus Daniels
Just don't invite her back until the pandemic has become endemic. A distinction without a difference but then she can win the argument. :-) -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:54 PM To: FriAM Subject: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

[FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-18 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
S ... our house cleaner is anti-vax. My friends tell me we should fire her. I've resisted confronting her over it. But hospitals being overrun influenced me to press her a little bit. I claimed that the majority of hospitalizations are the unvaxxed. She claimed that down near her (I think c