Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

Frankly, no. On 28 Jan 2025, at 15:23, Frank Wimberly wrote: Shoot. I thought F stood for Frank. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Jan 28, 2025, 7:35 AM glen wrote: F = Frost. Robert Frost. https://www.poetrysoup.com/poetry/re

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

Shoot. I thought F stood for Frank. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Jan 28, 2025, 7:35 AM glen wrote: > F = Frost. Robert Frost. > https://www.poetrysoup.com/poetry/resources/documents/education-by-poetry-robert-frost.pdf > (At l

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

On 1/28/25 7:35 AM, glen wrote: F = Frost. Robert Frost. https://www.poetrysoup.com/poetry/resources/documents/education-by-poetry-robert-frost.pdf (At least I hope that's right.) Good call I hit the breaking point because "F" is a token in ∀v_i(v_i=v_1'⊃∀v_1(v_1=v_i⊃F)) and that F is the p

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

well conjured "broom of the system" here... (ghost of DFW?) On 1/28/25 3:08 AM, Santafe wrote: Yes, sorry... On Jan 27, 2025, at 7:14 PM, Stephen Guerin wrote: On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 1:08 PM Santafe wrote: But to suppose they _already_ contain everything there is to be understood is not a

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

F = Frost. Robert Frost. https://www.poetrysoup.com/poetry/resources/documents/education-by-poetry-robert-frost.pdf (At least I hope that's right.) I hit the breaking point because "F" is a token in ∀v_i(v_i=v_1'⊃∀v_1(v_1=v_i⊃F)) and that F is the primary reason Claude (3.5-sonnet, not so muc

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

Thank you. I appreciate the amount of effort to distill and summarize! On Tue, Jan 28, 2025, 3:08 AM Santafe wrote: > Yes, sorry... > > > On Jan 27, 2025, at 7:14 PM, Stephen Guerin > wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 1:08 PM Santafe wrote: > > But to suppose they _already_ contain ever

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

Yes, sorry... > On Jan 27, 2025, at 7:14 PM, Stephen Guerin > wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 1:08 PM Santafe wrote: > But to suppose they _already_ contain everything there is to be understood is > not a position I would take w.r.t. anything else we have anywhere in science. > They cont

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

graphically, metaphorically speaking. ORCH-OR ? > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 2:52 PM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was > g

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 2:52 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM" using an alternative metaphor as a starting point does not mandate using

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 1:08 PM Santafe wrote: > But to suppose they _already_ contain everything there is to be understood > is not a position I would take w.r.t. anything else we have anywhere in > science. They contain or represent whatever they do. I don’t know how > much that is, and what

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 2:52 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM" using an alternative metaphor as a starting point does not mandate using an alternative metaphysics. Pribram's holograph

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 11:40 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was > generated by an LLM" > > >> On Jan 27, 2025, at 10:35, Marcus Daniels wrote: >&

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

nism. > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of Santafe > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 11:40 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was > generated b

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

r them to stand on, other than to appeal to faith and chauvinism. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of Santafe Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 11:40 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

> On Jan 27, 2025, at 10:35, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > Eric writes: > > "He is arguing against the computation framing of consciousness. Searle’s > device is to say that my brain is like my stomach, and that the computation > framing doesn’t do its complexity justice." > > Can say the same

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

There was a very conscious effort to latin-ize English, with the view that it was superior. It's a big chunk of why English spelling is so screwed up. On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, 1:56 AM Russell Standish wrote: > On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 05:19:38PM -0700, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > Very good, Stephen.

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

Re "How AI changes how we communicate": I was taught that a very high priority element of good writing was choosing an audience. Who is this writing for? It was supposedly even higher priority than "What" it's for. As such, I think I can formulate my objection to using GPT to help you formulat

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 8:12 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM" My very first professional publication: a two part series in AI Magazine (the first 'jo

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

My very first professional publication: a two part series in AI Magazine (the first 'journal of record" for AI). Part one. "The Computational Metaphor and Artificial Intelligence: A Reflective Examination of a Theoretical Falsework," https://ojs.aaai.org/aimagazine/index.php/aimagazine/articl

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

Eric writes: "He is arguing against the computation framing of consciousness. Searle’s device is to say that my brain is like my stomach, and that the computation framing doesn’t do its complexity justice." Can say the same thing about quantum mechanics. Marcus smime.p7s Description: S/

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 05:19:38PM -0700, Frank Wimberly wrote: > Very good, Stephen.  More feelingful and poetic than my writing.  What I wrote > is more factual and specific.  I wish mine could have been a bit more > "romantic" but it was me.  (Grammar requires "I" but...) Agreement of the copul

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 6:28 PM Santafe wrote: > God the Cormac priming is really bad. Can’t write in ones own voice > afterward, nor of course in his. On God's Voice in Cormac's voice: The expriest shook his head. Oh it may be the Lord's way of showin how little store he sets by the learned

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 6:25 PM Marcus Daniels wrote: > https://www.hereafter.ai/ble.com/ > Related to hearafter.ai, Hiroshi Ishii of MIT tangible Computing Lab demonstrated his "teleabsence" project: https://tangible.media.mit.edu/project/teleabsence/ .- .-..

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

How Odd. I read (part of) the first one, and thought That doesnt sound like Frank. Then the Cormac one: yucky like a supermarket tabloid (not that bad, but). It’s all unbelievably impressive, of course. But we have people saying they can’t stand the mass-produced quality of essentially all

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM" Compare the result with amazon.com/author/frankwimberly <http://amazon.com/author/frankwimberly> It took me two weeks to write and contains about 100 pages. Frank ---

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

Compare the result with amazon.com/author/frankwimberly It took me two weeks to write and contains about 100 pages. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Jan 26, 2025, 3:40 PM Eric Charles wrote: > Frank, > And think of how muc

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

Consider it done. What have I learned? No Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology Clark University nthomp...@clarku.edu https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 3:40 PM Eric Charles wrote: > Frank, > And think of how much easier it all would hav

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

Frank, And think of how much easier it all would have been with AI assist! Nick, Can you ask George to give you the first 20 pages of a memoir of a boy growing up in New Mexico in , including the first few years and every summer until the boy went to university? Be sure to mention that the boy mov

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

Monist, Frank, monist! A plain old behaviorist would never talk about Hearing a voice. Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology Clark University nthomp...@clarku.edu https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 12:12 PM Frank Wimberly wrote: > That w

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

That was for Nick. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Jan 26, 2025, 12:09 PM Frank Wimberly wrote: > Typical behaviorist. > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

Typical behaviorist. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Jan 26, 2025, 11:47 AM Nicholas Thompson wrote: > You guys Freak me out! You work all your lives to create a machine that > can do human things, but are somehow the last to admi

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

wary, I wonder if they were dropped as children. From: Friam on behalf of Nicholas Thompson Date: Sunday, January 26, 2025 at 10:47 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM&q

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

Steve writes: “My biggest gripe about GPT (and ilk) is that it is too eager to please or agree with me.” Ask questions like “What risks can you see in an approach where one was to ..?” Alternatively, “I’m concerned about the correctness of this code. Can you think of ways to test it? Are the

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

You guys Freak me out! You work all your lives to create a machine that can do human things, but are somehow the last to admit that the thing you have created is human. Are are you worried that you have put yourselves out of a job? Hardly! Just as blood and bone humanity can be improved endlessl

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

Nick - This is a rather eloquent (and/or disturbing?) vision of a potential trajectory of human-machine fusion.   I can't say I seek or approve to get on that trajectory myself, but it is not so inconceivable to me as to make me want to deny the possibility. If I wake up one day with said "vo

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

On 1/25/25 7:48 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: I wrote a memoir about my life in New Mexico including the first few years and every summer until I went to university. People who read it who know me say they can hear my voice when they read it.  LLMs were not available when I wrote it. I do wonder

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

I don't presume to guess whether others should or should not engage various types of technology to enhance their work (or play) product or maybe more critically, to enhance their own self-training.   It is perhaps never too late to have a good mentor and/or tutor on any skill or topic? Keyboa

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

I dunno, David. I have got some pretty eloquent stuff out of george. It's odd, the more I treat him like a human, the more human he becomes. (And the more he denies it.) I hear you all crying out forth the ineffability of the human soul, but I don't really see it. I think I am eminently eff-ab

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

I wrote a memoir about my life in New Mexico including the first few years and every summer until I went to university. People who read it who know me say they can hear my voice when they read it. LLMs were not available when I wrote it. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

DaveW, Thank you for your reply. I really appreciate what you said. For me, the key thing is to keep our human qualities. I like using AI to help make us better, like when it helps with writing. You mentioned that AI can't make writing more eloquent. I agree with this for people who are already

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

Pieter, I applaud your use of AI to improve your writing. It is my belief that the* "proper"* use of AI, along with computers and computing tools in general, is to _augment_ human abilities ala Vannevar Bush's "how we may think," Douglas Englebart's institute, Alan Kay's dynabook, (the fiction

[FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

I was surprised by the comment "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM" At first, I just thought, 'so what?' But it got me thinking about how AI changes how we communicate, which is really important to me. Here's my main point: I think it's okay to use others, whet