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It took me two weeks to write and contains about 100 pages. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Jan 26, 2025, 3:40 PM Eric Charles <eric.phillip.char...@gmail.com> wrote: > Frank, > And think of how much easier it all would have been with AI assist! > > Nick, > Can you ask George to give you the first 20 pages of a memoir of a boy > growing up in New Mexico in <insert appropriate year range>, including the > first few years and every summer until the boy went to university? Be sure > to mention that the boy moved on from his rural beginnings to a much more > worldly and high-tech career. Tell it you would like the tone to be > "comfortingly familiar" for those who might have had similar experiences. > Just for kicks, please also name the boy "Frank" :- ) > > Best, > Eric > > <echar...@american.edu> > > > On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 9:49 PM Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I wrote a memoir about my life in New Mexico including the first few >> years and every summer until I went to university. People who read it who >> know me say they can hear my voice when they read it. LLMs were not >> available when I wrote it. >> >> Frank >> >> --- >> Frank C. Wimberly >> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/140+Calle+Ojo+Feliz,++Santa+Fe,+NM+87505?entry=gmail&source=g> >> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/140+Calle+Ojo+Feliz,++Santa+Fe,+NM+87505?entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> 505 670-9918 >> Santa Fe, NM >> >> On Sat, Jan 25, 2025, 7:24 PM Pieter Steenekamp < >> piet...@randcontrols.co.za> wrote: >> >>> DaveW, >>> >>> Thank you for your reply. I really appreciate what you said. >>> >>> For me, the key thing is to keep our human qualities. I like using AI to >>> help make us better, like when it helps with writing. >>> >>> You mentioned that AI can't make writing more eloquent. I agree with >>> this for people who are already good writers. I've read some >>> autobiographies where the writing is so beautiful, it's like AI couldn't >>> match that. But there are others who might need help. AI could make writing >>> easier and better for those who have good ideas but struggle with words. >>> >>> I just want to clarify one point from your message about "voice." When >>> AI helps with writing, it's important that the words still sound like me, >>> not like a machine. I saw your point about my writing sounding like ChatGPT >>> instead of me, which wasn't my goal. I aim for AI to enhance my voice, not >>> replace it. >>> >>> Improving oneself and one's writing is a great goal. We've all had >>> moments where we wish we could express something as well as someone else. >>> If AI can help make my writing sound better or clearer, I think that's good >>> to use. >>> >>> But I agree with you, AI might not make writing more 'eloquent,' just >>> more precise or detailed. So, I would use AI tools carefully, making sure >>> they enhance my own style, not define it. >>> >>> Pieter >>> >>> Note: I use AI to assist my writing. >>> >>> On Sat, 25 Jan 2025 at 17:58, Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Pieter, >>>> >>>> I applaud your use of AI to improve your writing. It is my belief that >>>> the* "proper"* use of AI, along with computers and computing tools in >>>> general, is to *augment* human abilities ala Vannevar Bush's "how we >>>> may think," Douglas Englebart's institute, Alan Kay's dynabook, (the >>>> fictional Young Ladies Primer of Stephenson's *Diamond Age*), and >>>> Jobs' "bicycle for the mind." >>>> >>>> This is in direct contrast, it seems, to the sentiments of most on this >>>> list who think that AI should, and inevitably will, replace "inferior" >>>> human intelligence. >>>> >>>> I am curious if you see any question of "voice" in the AI improved >>>> text? For example, I took glen's question as nothing more than an >>>> observation that the "voice" of your post seemed to that of ChatGPT instead >>>> of Pieter—definitely not *"augmented-Pieter,"* as I believe you >>>> intended it to be. >>>> >>>> All of us respect Pieter and value his words. If, however, we are >>>> confused by "voice." it raises issues of how much consideration the writing >>>> should receive and how we should respond. >>>> >>>> Improving oneself, and one's writing, is a great goal. And we all have >>>> experienced examples of "I wish I had said that," or "I wish I had >>>> expressed that idea as eloquently as she did." If AI tools provide wordings >>>> that you admire, or feel express your ideas more eloquently, you should >>>> adopt them. >>>> >>>> Personally, I do not believe that AI can ever provide more 'eloquent' >>>> writing, only more precise or more complete writing. So I, again, strictly >>>> personally, would eschew using such tools as currently constructed. I would >>>> however, if I had the chance, use Richard Gabriel's tool, *Inkwell*, >>>> which, BTW, he emphatically states is not an AI, to enhance my writing. But >>>> Richard is primarily a poet and writer, despite his education and career in >>>> AI and computing, and he created *Inkwell* expressly to be a writer's >>>> assistant. I have tremendous respect for Richard's writing and I know he >>>> uses Inkwell to enhance his intrinsic abilities. >>>> >>>> davew >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2025, at 10:48 PM, Pieter Steenekamp wrote: >>>> >>>> I was surprised by the comment "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads >>>> like it was generated by an LLM" At first, I just thought, 'so what?' But >>>> it got me thinking about how AI changes how we communicate, which is really >>>> important to me. >>>> >>>> Here's my main point: >>>> >>>> I think it's okay to use others, whether they're people or AI, to help >>>> me communicate better, as long as the ideas are mine and I'm not copying >>>> someone else's work. If using AI to polish my words bothers someone, we can >>>> talk about it. >>>> >>>> Here's some background on why I think this way: >>>> >>>> a) Learning to communicate is one of the best things you can take away >>>> from school or university. For example if a student is supposed to use her >>>> own words in an assignment, then using AI or asking someone else to rewrite >>>> is wrong. >>>> >>>> b) In the workplace, we've always had people like personal assistants >>>> or speech writers. I see using AI in the same way, just a modern tool to >>>> help. >>>> >>>> c) Writing assistance used to be expensive because you needed people. >>>> Now, AI can do the job for free, and that doesn't go against what I believe >>>> is right. >>>> >>>> d) Your writing should still sound like you. So, I write something >>>> first, then ask AI to make it better but keep it simple and in my style, >>>> like, 'Please make this sound better but keep it easy to understand.' I now >>>> realise I violated this previously and will adapt. >>>> >>>> e) Maybe it's good, depending on the situation, to mention when you've >>>> used AI in your writing. >>>> >>>> f) Here's a funny story: I used AI to help write a message for an AI >>>> workshop, and someone complimented the writing so much they suggested I >>>> should be a writer instead! >>>> >>>> My bottom line: >>>> >>>> I plan to add a note at the end of each message in this group saying I >>>> used AI to help with my writing. 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