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but seem important to lawyers.
I do believe that we need to have policies to cover this, but I also
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and ssh keys would change. This of course causes problems and Infra would
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should be the new key. HOWEVER,
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> >>
> >> With Wine solved, it sounds like Steam
tely unrelated parts of the build system
because of weird things.
3. Who is going to do the work?
I really don't see this being ready by Fedora 44 with the current 'need to
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> > > V Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 08:25:09AM -0400, Stephen Smoogen napsal(a):
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who could spend
more than a small amount of time on anything. Any sort of SIG needs to have
motivated and knowledgeable people who can focus on a problem for a long
time. If SIG members are focusing on something they use regularly (Steam?)
and know how to debug what problems are being seen in that too
s" to fix these sorts of problems and there
will always be a lot of incentive to put it off another day for whatever
internal fires are going on. At this point, I think we should acknowledge
that we as a project made a mistake and figure out how to fix this for our
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one time they were outside of sharutils and hten
brought into the project later. Are they asking about the 'shar' part or
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you look like a SPAMMER) and the mailq would be
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domain. And quite a number of developers I contacted to ask if they could
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Anyway.. at this point I don't think you could make 'build-order' work in
Fedora without a deep change in culture, packaging system and developer
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ent expectations of package maintenance for proven
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4. Finally I would highly recommend getting this entire set of events
reviewed by some sort of outside group or organization. They should at
least come up with suggestions on what sho
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if (err != 0){ // we got a bigger error
return err;
}
err=fclose(stderr);
if (err != 0){ // we got a bigger error
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err=fclose(stdout);
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return err;
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end up with very odd results for people who are used to math in many
other programming languages.
Anyway, I believe that is how the previous conversations back then went. I
remember a lot of similar bikeshedding and also kicking the ball down the
court because it was a LOT of rewriting.
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useful after a release or two?
Maybe those aren't FESCO issues (The first one is probably a council
issue, the second one is infrastructure in some ways. but the third
might be.) but I feel they need to be looked at.
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> > mock versus koji because koji gets around modularity with a hack. In mo
So you are running into modularity issue there and I am guessing it is from
mock versus koji because koji gets around modularity with a hack. In mock
you have to tell it to enable the module there are in. I don’t know the
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e sure that
summaries are fair.
What was the tool and dataset used
What was the 'meeting' data fed to the tool
What was the query (or queries) used
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I guess we need to see what RPM owns that symlink and get it into the build
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eb 28, 2024 at 08:36:19AM -0500, Stephen Smoogen wrote:
> > I had not seen any announcements on this so wanted to drop it here
> > https://flocktofedora.org
> >
> Thanks for posting this! Can we get it out to devel-announce too?
>
> Best regards,
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to attend Flock,
the organizers will book your travel arrangements (e.g. flight, hotel,
train, bus, etc.) for you, depending on your sponsorship package.
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 at 09:44, Richard Hughes wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 at 15:44, Stephen Smoogen wrote:
> > I wonder if you have it from a group you are in or if it was the general
> creep of time that has added you to a lot of packages?
>
> I'm a packager and a prove
me
> too. :)
>
I wonder if you have it from a group you are in or if it was the general
creep of time that has added you to a lot of packages?
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On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 at 12:38, Jun Aruga (he / him)
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> On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 6:09 PM Stephen Smoogen
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 at 12:05, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
> >>
> >> Dne 21. 02. 24 v 17:38 Jun Aruga (he / him) naps
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On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 at 10:08, Kevin Kofler via devel <
devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Stephen Smoogen wrote:
> > 1. Drive size is not just what is needed but also throughput. The large
> > drives needed to store the data COPR uses for its hundreds of chroots are
as given then only came around 1/10 years or so.]
The amazon systems cost Fedora $0.00 as long as it stays within 'modest'
disk space and other resources. That said, I realize there will be a day
when you can clearly said "I told you this would happen" when being locked
in c
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 at 10:51, David Cantrell wrote:
> On 2/15/24 11:19, Stephen Smoogen wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 at 10:15, David Cantrell > <mailto:dcantr...@redhat.com>> wrote:
> >
> > On 2/14/24 13:32, Stephen Smoogen wrote:
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