On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 at 07:14, Daniel P. Berrangé <berra...@redhat.com>
wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 11:33:35AM +0000, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 06, 2025 at 01:18:35PM -0500, Stephen Smoogen wrote:
> > > On Mon, 6 Jan 2025 at 12:50, Fabio Valentini <decatho...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > If this is not what 'proven packagers' are allowed to do, it might
> be
> > > > good to have everyone who has proven packager go through some sort of
> > > > "retraining" as what Mattia announced doing has been common practice
> for a
> > > > long time. It actually seems covered by
> > > >
> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fesco/Who_is_allowed_to_modify_which_packages/
> > > > >
> > > > > If the packager doesn’t keep track of those items, then other
> > > > experienced packagers are free to fix stuff for them.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am expecting that this is an area which needs more clarity.
> > > >
> > > > On the page you linked, there's a list of examples of situations when
> > > > using PP privileges is appropriate, just below the paragraph you
> > > > quoted - security issues, bugs that cause data loss, etc. But "just
> > > > update to a new version" is not on the list. That's clear enough in
> my
> > > >
> > >
> > > It may be 'clear' to you but I don't see it listed as 'This is the
> limited
> > > list of actions that a proven packager may take. Anything outside of
> that
> > > should not be done.'
> >
> > The page says "They [pps] should be careful not to change other
> > people’s packages needlessly and try to do the minimal changes
> > required to fix problems, as explained more in depth in Who is Allowed
> > to Modify Which Packages." So… I'd say that this actually is fairly
> clearly
> > specified.
>
> "needlessly" and "minimal" are doing a lot of heavy lifting there and
> very much open to interpretation.
>
>
I agree with Daniel on this and everything below. The more I read the
multiple guidelines, the less clear many of these terms become to me and
seem very much up to interpretation. I am trying to do the best I can, but
at this point I don't think I could do anything 'right' to meet what the
expected interpretation is.


-- 
Stephen Smoogen, Red Hat Automotive
Let us be kind to one another, for most of us are fighting a hard battle.
-- Ian MacClaren
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