Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-27 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 10:57:31PM -0500, Raul D. Miller wrote: > > I think it should, in fact. HOWEVER, there is no constitutional provision > > AT THIS TIME for it. Fact is, gecko has NO AUTHORITY to single-handedly > > alter the constitution in practice like this. > > Fact is? > > Fact is

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-27 Thread Raul D. Miller
On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 10:44:07PM -0500, Joseph Carter wrote: > I think it should, in fact. HOWEVER, there is no constitutional provision > AT THIS TIME for it. Fact is, gecko has NO AUTHORITY to single-handedly > alter the constitution in practice like this. Fact is? Fact is -- there was qu

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-27 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 04:34:38PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > Ooops! I have just been pointed out that this is not true, because of > > constitution 7.1 point 3: "The Secretary adjudicates any disputes > > about interpretation of the constitution.". > > And I for one am a supported of

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-27 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 04:31:56AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > As far as I can tell though there weren't any actual solutions to the > problem suggested. > > The problem is: > > (a) A group of developers don't think the social contract can > legally (according to the constitutio

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-27 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 12:22:58PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > SUMMARY > --- > > The Secretary has advanced a document outlining his plans and opinion > for conducting a vote on GR 8, advanced by myself. His plans rest in > incorrect premises and draw incorrect conclusions. Below you will >

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-27 Thread Raul D. Miller
On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 10:44:07PM -0500, Joseph Carter wrote: > I think it should, in fact. HOWEVER, there is no constitutional provision > AT THIS TIME for it. Fact is, gecko has NO AUTHORITY to single-handedly > alter the constitution in practice like this. Fact is? Fact is -- there was q

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-27 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 04:34:38PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > Ooops! I have just been pointed out that this is not true, because of > > constitution 7.1 point 3: "The Secretary adjudicates any disputes > > about interpretation of the constitution.". > > And I for one am a supported of

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-27 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 04:31:56AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > As far as I can tell though there weren't any actual solutions to the > problem suggested. > > The problem is: > > (a) A group of developers don't think the social contract can > legally (according to the constituti

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-27 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 12:22:58PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > The Secretary has advanced a document outlining his plans and opinion > for conducting a vote on GR 8, advanced by myself. His plans rest in > incorrect premises and draw incorrect conclusions. Ok, now that people have pointed out th

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-27 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 12:22:58PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > SUMMARY > --- > > The Secretary has advanced a document outlining his plans and opinion > for conducting a vote on GR 8, advanced by myself. His plans rest in > incorrect premises and draw incorrect conclusions. Below you will

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-27 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ooops! I have just been pointed out that this is not true, because of > constitution 7.1 point 3: "The Secretary adjudicates any disputes > about interpretation of the constitution.". And I for one am a supported of John's resolution *and* I think that

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-27 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 12:22:58PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > The Secretary has advanced a document outlining his plans and opinion > for conducting a vote on GR 8, advanced by myself. His plans rest in > incorrect premises and draw incorrect conclusions. Ok, now that people have pointed out t

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-27 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ooops! I have just been pointed out that this is not true, because of > constitution 7.1 point 3: "The Secretary adjudicates any disputes > about interpretation of the constitution.". And I for one am a supported of John's resolution *and* I think that

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-27 Thread Buddha Buck
At 02:28 PM 9/27/00 +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > The problem is: > > (a) A group of developers don't think the social contract can > legally (according to the constitution) be modified > (b) A group of developers think modification of the social contract > should

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-27 Thread Santiago Vila
I wrote: > * Our constitution is incomplete because there is not a constitutional > way to determine whether something is constitutional or not. We would need > to amend it and create a "constitutional court of justice". Ooops! I have just been pointed out that this is not true, because of constit

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-27 Thread Santiago Vila
> The problem is: > > (a) A group of developers don't think the social contract can > legally (according to the constitution) be modified > (b) A group of developers think modification of the social contract > should require a supermajority > (c) A group of de

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-27 Thread Buddha Buck
At 02:28 PM 9/27/00 +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > > The problem is: > > > > (a) A group of developers don't think the social contract can > > legally (according to the constitution) be modified > > (b) A group of developers think modification of the social contract > >

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-27 Thread Santiago Vila
I wrote: > * Our constitution is incomplete because there is not a constitutional > way to determine whether something is constitutional or not. We would need > to amend it and create a "constitutional court of justice". Ooops! I have just been pointed out that this is not true, because of consti

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-27 Thread Santiago Vila
> The problem is: > > (a) A group of developers don't think the social contract can > legally (according to the constitution) be modified > (b) A group of developers think modification of the social contract > should require a supermajority > (c) A group of d