Re: Power Mac G4 stuck "Loading second stage bootstrap"

2014-09-22 Thread Rick Thomas
Hi Bruno, Based on what you describe, the Jessie installer did not properly install the second level bootstrap routine. For the PowerPC Macs, that program is called “yaboot”. On the x86 hardware that program is called Grub2, which is what Steve was talking about. As he said, he does not have

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Montag, 22. September 2014, 03:41:53 schrieb lee: > "Andrew M.A. Cater" writes: > > Jessie freezes no later than November 5th 2014. Allow folk who are trying > > to work on the distribution to work on it and not to have to intervene in > > this sort of discussion, please. > > Nobody prevents t

Re: a systemd alternative

2014-09-22 Thread Brian
On Sun 21 Sep 2014 at 22:47:30 -0500, green wrote: > I had not seen any references on this list to the following yet > (perhaps I missed it), so here it is in case someone else is > interested: [Links snipped] Some kind person has created a mailing list which looks like the ideal place to discus

Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

2014-09-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi Rob, I saw the bug closed (via mail on -devel) and personally thought it shouldn't have been. However when considering next steps my advice would be to leave bugs alone for a short while and let things cool off. It's important and useful to file bugs, but that in and of itself doesn't solve pr

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread Ric Moore
On 09/20/2014 04:20 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, lee wrote: These few people are also very concerned with preventing other people, particularly users, from doing something which would contribute to what they claim that they are doing. Exactly how are Debian Developers preventi

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread Ric Moore
On 09/20/2014 09:51 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: It seems the developers make the decisions and users feel left out. What we want does not seem to matter. There are positive methods of influencing the decisions that Debian makes and negative methods. Posi

Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

2014-09-22 Thread berenger . morel
Le 22.09.2014 01:51, John Hasler a écrit : Martin Read writes: consolekit is indeed the thing that systemd-logind replaces (and systemd-logind was the reason the maintainers of consolekit stopped maintaining it). So who is going to step forward and start maintaining it? Nobody needs to. sy

Re: SDD I/O very low < 10% normal

2014-09-22 Thread Pertti Kosunen
On 22.9.2014 4:10, KS wrote: In the BIOS, the SATA ports are set to IDE. Should they be set to AHCI instead? (third option is RAID). AHCI should be better. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debi

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread Ric Moore
On 09/20/2014 10:11 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 9/20/2014 9:51 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: It seems the developers make the decisions and users feel left out. What we want does not seem to matter. There are positive methods of influencing the decisions t

systemd sysvinit

2014-09-22 Thread Hans
Hi folks, I changed to systemd and everything is working fine. As deborphan wants to deinstall the package sysvinit, it warns, it is a essentiell package. My question: Can package sysvinit safely removed, when systemd is working fine? Looks like systemd does not depend on sysvinit. Cheers Ha

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-22 Thread Darac Marjal
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 03:04:24PM +0200, lee wrote: > Sven Joachim writes: > > > On 2014-09-16 02:00 +0200, lee wrote: > > > >> And I'd also like to hear what advantages systemd actually brings about > >> that would make it desirable. > > > > https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd sho

Re: apache2-suexec-custom, SuexecUserGroup directive

2014-09-22 Thread Richard Lewis
At Thu, 18 Sep 2014 17:18:49 +0100, Richard Lewis wrote: > Lastly, I found that I could actually make gitweb.cgi execute > successfully by altering the /etc/apache2/suexec/www-data config like > this: > > /srv/h1 > public_html/cgi-bin > > i.e., replacing the default /var/www docroot with /srv/h1

Re: systemd sysvinit

2014-09-22 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 9/22/14, Hans wrote: > Hi folks, > > I changed to systemd and everything is working fine. > > As deborphan wants to deinstall the package sysvinit, it warns, it is a > essentiell package. > > My question: Can package sysvinit safely removed, when systemd is working > fine? > > Looks like system

Re: systemd sysvinit

2014-09-22 Thread Brian
On Mon 22 Sep 2014 at 12:07:19 +0200, Hans wrote: > I changed to systemd and everything is working fine. > > As deborphan wants to deinstall the package sysvinit, it warns, it is a > essentiell package. "Priority: optional" on unstable. > > My question: Can package sysvinit safely removed, whe

Pulseaudio not listing sound source

2014-09-22 Thread Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum
Hi. Im running Pulseaudio on a pretty stock Wheezy installation. Im trying to get a USB audio output device to work, but it's not showing up in my Pulseaudio volume control. The device is an Audioengine AW1, and Id previously used this on my system with no problems. But now when I plug it in,

Re: Random

2014-09-22 Thread Martin Read
On 22/09/14 07:55, David Baron wrote: The KMahjong with options set for random boards will always come up with the same pattern but the tiles will be differing/randomized. So this might be the intended. Nice catch. I grabbed the source package with "apt-get source kmahjongg" and was able to fi

Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

2014-09-22 Thread Marty
On 09/22/2014 05:39 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 22.09.2014 01:51, John Hasler a écrit : Martin Read writes: consolekit is indeed the thing that systemd-logind replaces (and systemd-logind was the reason the maintainers of consolekit stopped maintaining it). So who is going

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Jerry. Спасибо за ответ, Sun, 21 Sep 2014 15:53:04 -0400 вы писали: > > I will repeat my opinion: you will benefit from going to another > > distro so long, as the US/Euro fashists come not to those distros. > > > > So to conqueror their spyware (the so called «systemd») i

Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

2014-09-22 Thread Erwan David
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 02:12:52PM CEST, Marty said: > On 09/22/2014 05:39 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > > > >Le 22.09.2014 01:51, John Hasler a écrit : > >>Martin Read writes: > >>>consolekit is indeed the thing that systemd-logind replaces (and > >>>systemd-logind was the reas

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-22 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/22/2014 at 06:54 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: > On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 03:04:24PM +0200, lee wrote: > >> Sven Joachim writes: >> >>> On 2014-09-16 02:00 +0200, lee wrote: Shall we have a vote? AFAIK, there's nothing that would speak

Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

2014-09-22 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/22/2014 at 05:39 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > Le 22.09.2014 01:51, John Hasler a écrit : > >> Martin Read writes: >> >>> consolekit is indeed the thing that systemd-logind replaces >>> (and systemd-logind was the reason the mai

perf interrupt took too long

2014-09-22 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Hi, just got this vomited onto the console and into dmesg: [ 998.354300] perf interrupt took too long (2516 > 2500), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 5 What sort of problem is this, and why is it so important that it occurs basically on every boot, and what can I do to “fix” i

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 9/22/2014 6:22 AM, Ric Moore wrote: > On 09/20/2014 10:11 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> On 9/20/2014 9:51 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: >>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: It seems the developers make the decisions and users feel left out. What we want does not seem to matter. >>> >

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 9/22/2014 8:50 AM, Ста Деюс wrote: > Доброго времени суток, Jerry. > > > Спасибо за ответ, Sun, 21 Sep 2014 15:53:04 -0400 вы писали: >>> I will repeat my opinion: you will benefit from going to another >>> distro so long, as the US/Euro fashists come not to those distros. >>> >>> So to conque

Re: MDADM RAID1 of external USB 3.0 Drives

2014-09-22 Thread Linux-Fan
On 09/22/2014 03:23 AM, lee wrote: > Linux-Fan writes: >> On 09/21/2014 08:41 PM, lee wrote: >>> Linux-Fan writes: > On 09/20/2014 04:55 PM, lee wrote: > Other than that, in my experience Seagate disks my have an unusually > high failure rate. Mine all work here. SMART repor

Re: Booting Debian GNU/kFreeBSD on MacBookPro 8.2

2014-09-22 Thread Lars Noodén
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 19:02:39 +0300 Lars Noodén wrote: > On 09/21/2014 06:54 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 03:43:40PM +0300, Lars Noodén wrote: > >> I've installed Debian GNU/kFreeBSD 7.6 (wheezy) from a mini.iso CD image on > >> a MacBookPro 8.2. The installation seemed

Re: perf interrupt took too long

2014-09-22 Thread Darac Marjal
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 03:26:39PM +0200, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Hi, > > just got this vomited onto the console and into dmesg: > > [ 998.354300] perf interrupt took too long (2516 > 2500), lowering > kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 5 > > What sort of problem is this, and why is it

Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian

2014-09-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 09:56:43PM +0400, Reco wrote: > > In the light of the current discussion, this seems particulary fitting: > > Social human behaviour experts There is no such thing, not at least by that name. Anthropologists spring to mind, but I think you don't mean it in that sense. Pe

Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian

2014-09-22 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/22/2014 at 10:21 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 09:56:43PM +0400, Reco wrote: > >> In the light of the current discussion, this seems particulary >> fitting: >> >> Social human behaviour experts > > There is no such t

Re: systemd/cgroups changing permissions (was: Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian)

2014-09-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 10:35:59AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > 2014/09/22 5:21 "Ansgar Burchardt" : > > > > Hi Joel, > > > > Joel Rees writes: > > > (6) systemd and cgroups (at minimum) end up overriding the permissions > > > system. It's bad enough having SELinux and ACLs brought in to knock > > >

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 11:31:57AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > Obviously it is important enough to enough users that it continues here. > And shutting people up is not going to make the problem go away. It > will, however, make users go away. I, for one, am looking at other > systems now.

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 9/22/2014 10:55 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 11:31:57AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> >> Obviously it is important enough to enough users that it continues here. >> And shutting people up is not going to make the problem go away. It >> will, however, make users go away

Re: Booting Debian GNU/kFreeBSD on MacBookPro 8.2

2014-09-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 07:02:39PM +0300, Lars Noodén wrote: > On 09/21/2014 06:54 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: > >On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 03:43:40PM +0300, Lars Noodén wrote: > >>I've installed Debian GNU/kFreeBSD 7.6 (wheezy) from a mini.iso CD image on > >>a MacBookPro 8.2. The installation seeme

pc version of yahoo.com

2014-09-22 Thread Scott Lair
Anyone having trouble getting to yahoo.com pc version in wheezy? I keep getting the mobile version. I have tried updating iceweasel to the backported version, cleared the cache, but still get the mobile version. Even when I click on the pc version on yahoo's site it brings up the mobile version.

Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian

2014-09-22 Thread Reco
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 02:21:01AM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 09:56:43PM +0400, Reco wrote: > > > > In the light of the current discussion, this seems particulary fitting: > > > > Social human behaviour experts > > There is no such thing, not at least by that name. A

Re: pc version of yahoo.com

2014-09-22 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:41:18AM -0400, Scott Lair wrote: > Anyone having trouble getting to yahoo.com pc version in wheezy? I keep > getting the mobile version. I have tried updating iceweasel to the > backported version, cleared the cache, but still get the mobile > version. Even

Re: Debian/Linux equivalent of RDP session / remote X11 session

2014-09-22 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message - > From: "lee" > > John Hasler writes: > > > lee writes: > >> what's the Debian or Linux equivalent to MS Windows terminal server > >> sessions through the remote desktop thing they have? > > > >> I would like to be able to let a user work remotely in an X11 session

Re: Debian/Linux equivalent of RDP session / remote X11 session

2014-09-22 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message - > From: "Joe" > > On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 14:33:53 +0200 > lee wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > what's the Debian or Linux equivalent to MS Windows terminal server > > sessions through the remote desktop thing they have? > > > > I would like to be able to let a user work remo

Re: Debian/Linux equivalent of RDP session / remote X11 session

2014-09-22 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message - > From: "lee" > > Hi, > > what's the Debian or Linux equivalent to MS Windows terminal server > sessions through the remote desktop thing they have? > > I would like to be able to let a user work remotely in an X11 session > (preferably with fvwm, if I have to xfce,

Re: pc version of yahoo.com

2014-09-22 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Scott Lair wrote: > Anyone having trouble getting to yahoo.com pc version in wheezy? I > keep getting the mobile version. I have tried updating iceweasel to > the backported version, cleared the cache, but still get the mobile > version. Even when I click on the pc version o

Re: pc version of yahoo.com

2014-09-22 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:41:18AM -0400, Scott Lair wrote: > > Anyone having trouble getting to yahoo.com pc version in wheezy? I > > keep getting the mobile version. I have tried updating iceweasel to > > the backported version, cleared the cach

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:13:10AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 9/22/2014 10:55 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 11:31:57AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > >> > >> Obviously it is important enough to enough users that it continues here. > >> And shutting people up is not go

Re: pc version of yahoo.com

2014-09-22 Thread Scott Lair
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 20:10:52 +0400 Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:41:18AM -0400, Scott Lair wrote: > > Anyone having trouble getting to yahoo.com pc version in wheezy? I > > keep getting the mobile version. I have tried updating iceweasel to > > the backported version, c

Re: Debian/Linux equivalent of RDP session / remote X11 session

2014-09-22 Thread Joel Rees
2014/09/21 21:52 "lee" : > > Hi, > > what's the Debian or Linux equivalent to MS Windows terminal server > sessions through the remote desktop thing they have? > > I would like to be able to let a user work remotely in an X11 session > (preferably with fvwm, if I have to xfce, if it can't be avoide

[OT] SSH Server for Android

2014-09-22 Thread Danilo Sampaio
Hi guys, I know this topic is somewhat out of debian context, but someone knows a opensource project like a SSH Server for Android, with X11 Session Forward Support? Thanks. -- *Danilo Sampaio* Analista de Sistemas Sr. | Application Services *Capgemini | Brasil* Tel.: 55 85 - jdanil

Re: pc version of yahoo.com

2014-09-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:41:18AM -0400, Scott Lair wrote: > Anyone having trouble getting to yahoo.com pc version in wheezy? I keep > getting the mobile version. I have tried updating iceweasel to the > backported version, cleared the cache, but still get the mobile > version. Even when I click

Re: pc version of yahoo.com

2014-09-22 Thread Scott Lair
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:53:34 -0700 Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Scott Lair wrote: > > > Anyone having trouble getting to yahoo.com pc version in wheezy? I > > keep getting the mobile version. I have tried updating iceweasel to > > the backported version, cleared the cache, but s

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 06:22:05AM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: > > It's just the way they went to go. I have had zero problems with it, > as a mere user. I did my part by installing Jessie fresh, so I > wouldn't be part of the noisy problems on this list with left over > old cruft competing for attent

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 22 September 2014 18:03:20 Chris Bannister wrote: > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:13:10AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > On 9/22/2014 10:55 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: > > > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 11:31:57AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > >> Obviously it is important enough to enough users

Re: Whats your way of sharing data between PCs?

2014-09-22 Thread Joerg Desch
Am Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:45:23 +0200 schrieb Hans: >> Unison doesn't use rsync. As far as I know, Unison uses a rsync alike >> algorithm which is bidirectional, while rsync is only unidirectional. > > Nope, rsync is bidirectional, too. Are you shure? I'm only aware of the unidirectional sync. The

Re: Whats your way of sharing data between PCs?

2014-09-22 Thread Joerg Desch
Am Sun, 21 Sep 2014 19:52:51 +0200 schrieb lee: > Joerg Desch writes: > >> I currently use Unison to sync the data between the notebooks and the >> NAS. > > NFS over VPN? Nope. Currently not. My first step is a solution which works in the local network. Later I would like to add my office PC

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 9/22/2014 1:03 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:13:10AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> On 9/22/2014 10:55 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: >>> On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 11:31:57AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: Obviously it is important enough to enough users that it contin

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 9/22/2014 1:57 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 22 September 2014 18:03:20 Chris Bannister wrote: >> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:13:10AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>> On 9/22/2014 10:55 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 11:31:57AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > Obvious

Re: Whats your way of sharing data between PCs?

2014-09-22 Thread Hans
Am Montag, 22. September 2014, 17:59:33 schrieb Joerg Desch: > Am Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:45:23 +0200 schrieb Hans: > >> Unison doesn't use rsync. As far as I know, Unison uses a rsync alike > >> algorithm which is bidirectional, while rsync is only unidirectional. > > > > Nope, rsync is bidirectional

Re: [OT] SSH Server for Android

2014-09-22 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On Seg, 22 Set 2014, Danilo Sampaio wrote: I know this topic is somewhat out of debian context, but someone knows a opensource project like a SSH Server for Android, with X11 Session Forward Support? I've used this one (mostly for copying files): https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=

Re: Random

2014-09-22 Thread PaulNM
On 09/22/2014 08:13 AM, Martin Read wrote: > On 22/09/14 07:55, David Baron wrote: >> The KMahjong with options set for random boards will always come up >> with the >> same pattern but the tiles will be differing/randomized. So this might >> be the >> intended. > > Nice catch. I grabbed the sourc

Re: Whats your way of sharing data between PCs?

2014-09-22 Thread Joe
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 20:12:08 +0200 Hans wrote: > Am Montag, 22. September 2014, 17:59:33 schrieb Joerg Desch: > > Am Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:45:23 +0200 schrieb Hans: > > >> Unison doesn't use rsync. As far as I know, Unison uses a rsync > > >> alike algorithm which is bidirectional, while rsync is o

Re: [OT] SSH Server for Android

2014-09-22 Thread Danilo Sampaio
>> I've used this one (mostly for copying files): https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=berserker. android.apps.sshdroid >> >> As for the X11 Session Forward, I'm not sure what you want. Android apps do not run in an X Server, so I don't think this feature would be useful. Hi Eduardo, than

Re: systemd/cgroups changing permissions

2014-09-22 Thread Ric Moore
On 09/22/2014 10:27 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 10:35:59AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: When I can, I'll file a bug report. If ever. I know the theory, so I don't use those, so it's not a high priority for me. If you are interested, read the manuals,do the math, it falls ou

Re: [OT] SSH Server for Android

2014-09-22 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On Seg, 22 Set 2014, Danilo Sampaio wrote: When said "...with X11 Session Forward Support", i mean SSH Server, like SSDDroid, that implements a software layer for a transparent X11 forward emulation. This feature would be useful for execute my android applications from my PC, like a remote connec

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread Ric Moore
On 09/21/2014 09:51 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote: They are really serious about making Emacs its own OS! That aside the Guix GNU system is using its own init and the Linux kernel with the non-free bits stripped out which they term Linux-libre. Oh boy! I can play "Hunt The Wumpus" again!! Yahoo! To

Re: Xfce actions denied after reverting to sysvinit

2014-09-22 Thread Nate Bargmann
After posting the original message in this thread it became clear that power management would only work correctly with systemd as PID 1 unless I wanted to engage in something I simply wouldn't have time for, Even so, the limited power management available in Xfce4 power manager 1.2 was better than

Re: [OT] SSH Server for Android

2014-09-22 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2014 22 Sep 14:24 -0500, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > If what you some way to control your phone via your PC, SSH X11 Forwarding > won't help. But there may be applications that allow that (at least > partially). Probably you'll need a rooted phone. Depending on what is needed, to move files

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-22 Thread Mart van de Wege
Steve Litt writes: > On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 08:10:17 +0200 > Mart van de Wege wrote: > >> Steve Litt writes: > >> > A) Twine and baling wire is better than monolithic entanglement. >> >> Yeah, after this I'm really not going to take you seriously anymore. >> > >> > B) If you try Daemontools, you

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread Ric Moore
On 09/21/2014 07:37 AM, Martin Read wrote: My mileage varies; in my experience, Debian in 2014 is a higher-quality distribution than Debian in 2004. The obvious example is that sound (for all practical purposes) Just Works on my current Debian system (all I had to do was pop open pavucontrol and

Re: [OT] SSH Server for Android

2014-09-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 04:13:47PM -0300, Danilo Sampaio wrote: > When said "...with X11 Session Forward Support", i mean SSH Server, like > SSDDroid, that implements a software layer for a transparent X11 forward > emulation. This feature would be useful for execute my android applications > from

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread Joe
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:56:10 + "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote: > > It woun't kill any detractors to try this and help us find what > breaks, to help us to get a Debian system we can all be proud of > instead of talking up a storm to complain about things. Experience > may also allow us to suppor

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread John Hasler
Joe writes: > I need to use Windows for some purposes, and occasionally I even > correct some of the more out-of-date FUD about it, but that doesn't > mean ... that I'm somehow not allowed to criticise it. So they've changed the terms of their "license"? -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwoo

Re: There is no choice ...well yes there is

2014-09-22 Thread Ric Moore
On 09/22/2014 01:56 PM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 06:22:05AM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: It's just the way they went to go. I have had zero problems with it, as a mere user. I did my part by installing Jessie fresh, so I wouldn't be part of the noisy problems on this list wit

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread Joe
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 15:13:53 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > Joe writes: > > I need to use Windows for some purposes, and occasionally I even > > correct some of the more out-of-date FUD about it, but that doesn't > > mean ... that I'm somehow not allowed to criticise it. > > So they've changed the t

Re: [OT] SSH Server for Android

2014-09-22 Thread Joel Rees
2014/09/23 2:24 "Danilo Sampaio" : > > Hi guys, > > I know this topic is somewhat out of debian context, but someone knows a opensource project like a SSH Server for Android, with X11 Session Forward Support? > > Thanks. Not exactly what you're looking for, but, I'm using an app from the play stor

Re: Whats your way of sharing data between PCs?

2014-09-22 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 22 September 2014 18:59:33 Joerg Desch wrote: > Am Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:45:23 +0200 schrieb Hans: > >> Unison doesn't use rsync. As far as I know, Unison uses a rsync alike > >> algorithm which is bidirectional, while rsync is only unidirectional. > > > > Nope, rsync is bidirectional, too.

Re: Whats your way of sharing data between PCs?

2014-09-22 Thread PaulNM
On 09/22/2014 05:44 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 22 September 2014 18:59:33 Joerg Desch wrote: >> Am Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:45:23 +0200 schrieb Hans: Unison doesn't use rsync. As far as I know, Unison uses a rsync alike algorithm which is bidirectional, while rsync is only unidirectiona

Re: Whats your way of sharing data between PCs?

2014-09-22 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 22 September 2014 22:49:41 PaulNM wrote: > On 09/22/2014 05:44 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Monday 22 September 2014 18:59:33 Joerg Desch wrote: > >> Am Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:45:23 +0200 schrieb Hans: > Unison doesn't use rsync. As far as I know, Unison uses a rsync alike > algori

Debian Wheezy XFCE Chromium PepperFlash Plugin Error

2014-09-22 Thread Robert Crawford
Computer is HP Pavilion a230n tower with 768mb ram 120 hd agp Nvidia Riva TNT2 with 32mb ram card. Installed standard desktop (Gnome3), I was getting error message about Gnome 3 crashing, plus I prefer XFCE,I replaced it with XFCE4. Installed Chromium-Browser. When I install ed pepperflashplugin-

Re: Whats your way of sharing data between PCs?

2014-09-22 Thread Joel Rees
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 6:49 AM, PaulNM wrote: > On 09/22/2014 05:44 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: >> On Monday 22 September 2014 18:59:33 Joerg Desch wrote: >>> Am Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:45:23 +0200 schrieb Hans: > Unison doesn't use rsync. As far as I know, Unison uses a rsync alike > algorithm whi

Re: There is no choice ...well yes there is

2014-09-22 Thread Joel Rees
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 5:17 AM, Ric Moore wrote: > On 09/22/2014 01:56 PM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: >> >> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 06:22:05AM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: >>> >>> >>> It's just the way they went to go. I have had zero problems with it, >>> as a mere user. I did my part by installing Jes

Re: Whats your way of sharing data between PCs?

2014-09-22 Thread PaulNM
On 09/22/2014 05:56 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 22 September 2014 22:49:41 PaulNM wrote: >> On 09/22/2014 05:44 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: >>> On Monday 22 September 2014 18:59:33 Joerg Desch wrote: Am Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:45:23 +0200 schrieb Hans: >> Unison doesn't use rsync. As far as I

Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian

2014-09-22 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:12:38 +0900 > Joel Rees wrote: > >> I will acknowledge that there are some things that we could do to >> improve the current (sysv) init in debian. >> >> * Get rid of run levels. > > And the reason for this change is?

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:42:57 -0400 Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 9/22/2014 6:22 AM, Ric Moore wrote: > > It all just works. Since I paid nothing, I certainly got much more > > than my money's worth. I fail to see where we should jerk on their > > chains to demand more of their time by hanging here a

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 18:57:03 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 22 September 2014 18:03:20 Chris Bannister wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:13:10AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > > On 9/22/2014 10:55 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: > > > > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 11:31:57AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle

Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian

2014-09-22 Thread Martin Read
On 23/09/14 00:22, Joel Rees wrote: I think you are saying that there is an implementation of cgroups independent of systemd? systemd does not implement cgroups. The kernel implements them; systemd just uses them. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subj

Re: pc version of yahoo.com

2014-09-22 Thread Mike McClain
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:41:18AM -0400, Scott Lair wrote: > Anyone having trouble getting to yahoo.com pc version in wheezy? I keep > getting the mobile version. I have tried updating iceweasel to the > backported version, cleared the cache, but still get the mobile > version. Even when I click

Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian

2014-09-22 Thread Joel Rees
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Martin Read wrote: > On 23/09/14 00:22, Joel Rees wrote: >> >> I think you are saying that there is an implementation of cgroups >> independent of systemd? > > systemd does not implement cgroups. The kernel implements them; systemd just > uses them. Does not answe

Preliminary Funtoo report

2014-09-22 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, Funtoo is most famous for a permanent ban on systemd. Funtoo is very different from Debian, Ubuntu, OpenSuSE, OpenBSD and FreeBSD. Unlike those, with you're intimately involved with every step of installation and configuration. Plus, all installs are compiled, it takes a long time. You wo

Re: systemd/cgroups changing permissions

2014-09-22 Thread Joel Rees
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 3:56 AM, Ric Moore wrote: > On 09/22/2014 10:27 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: >> >> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 10:35:59AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > >>> When I can, I'll file a bug report. If ever. >>> >>> I know the theory, so I don't use those, so it's not a high priority for >>

Re: pc version of yahoo.com

2014-09-22 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Scott Lair wrote: > On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:53:34 -0700 > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Scott Lair wrote: > > > > > Anyone having trouble getting to yahoo.com pc version in wheezy? > > > I keep getting the mobile version. I have tried updating > > > icewea

Re: pc version of yahoo.com

2014-09-22 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Tue, 23 Sep 2014, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:41:18AM -0400, Scott Lair wrote: > > Anyone having trouble getting to yahoo.com pc version in wheezy? I > > keep getting the mobile version. I have tried updating iceweasel to > > the backported version, cleared the cache, b

Re: There is no choice ...well yes there is

2014-09-22 Thread lee
Ric Moore writes: > Without networking, you do not proceed to Go. If the upgrade fails, I won't have an internet connection anymore. > So, I do not recommend the upgrade process from Wheezy to Jessie as a > general rule. And certainly not on a system with only Debian > installed. If nothing els

Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian

2014-09-22 Thread lee
Joel Rees writes: > (2) When I was a college student, when we talked about modularity, we > talked about something called "implicit linkage". I don't know what > the current term for it is, but it is the generalized problem of > global constants, variables, protocols, and design patterns, > espec

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread lee
Martin Steigerwald writes: > Am Montag, 22. September 2014, 03:41:53 schrieb lee: >> "Andrew M.A. Cater" writes: >> > Jessie freezes no later than November 5th 2014. Allow folk who are trying >> > to work on the distribution to work on it and not to have to intervene in >> > this sort of discuss

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread lee
Martin Read writes: > On 21/09/14 16:15, lee wrote: >> Martin Read writes: >>> Nothing about the process of providing a Debian package looks >>> ridiculously difficult to me. >> >> I started to read the huge documentation about how to do it and didn't >> get anywhere with it. > > I had that expe

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread lee
Ric Moore writes: > On 09/21/2014 07:37 AM, Martin Read wrote: > >> My mileage varies; in my experience, Debian in 2014 is a higher-quality >> distribution than Debian in 2004. The obvious example is that sound (for >> all practical purposes) Just Works on my current Debian system (all I >> had t

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread lee
Ric Moore writes: > On 09/20/2014 04:20 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: >> >> Please stop. > > I agree. It's all free, so where's the beef? The Devs are free to do > as the please. If anyone wants to do as they please, they are also > free to do so. This ain't Windows. Ric Of course they are free to do

Re: fvwm: was i3 sticky/floating windows (brasero requires gvfs)

2014-09-22 Thread lee
Steve Litt writes: > On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 17:48:13 +0200 > lee wrote: > >> So i3 doesn't have any advantages for me --- fvwm is much more >> flexible and without the utter confusion that arises when you try to >> arrange a number of windows in a particular manner with i3. It even >> wastes less

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 9/22/2014 7:34 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:42:57 -0400 > Jerry Stuckle wrote: > >> On 9/22/2014 6:22 AM, Ric Moore wrote: > >>> It all just works. Since I paid nothing, I certainly got much more >>> than my money's worth. I fail to see where we should jerk on their >>> chai

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-22 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 9/22/2014 7:39 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 18:57:03 +0100 > Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> On Monday 22 September 2014 18:03:20 Chris Bannister wrote: >>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:13:10AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 9/22/2014 10:55 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Sun, Sep

apt-get update problem

2014-09-22 Thread John Conover
Running "apt-get update" on one of my machines gives: W: Failed to fetch copy:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/Debian%20GNU_Linux%207%20%5fWheezy%5f%20-%20Official%20Snapshot%20i386%20LIVE_INSTALL%20Binary%2020140723-18:32_dists_wheezy_main_binary-i386_Packages Failed to stat - stat (2: No such

Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

2014-09-22 Thread Marty
On 09/22/2014 05:07 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: Hi Rob, I saw the bug closed (via mail on -devel) and personally thought it shouldn't have been. However when considering next steps my advice would be to leave bugs alone for a short while and let things cool off. It's important and useful to fil

More FUD for everyone: Computers Are Dangerous! (Users are devs, after all.)

2014-09-22 Thread Joel Rees
There are some people who are trying to squelch conversations on this list with cries of FUD! FUD! To you I offer one more thing to cry Fear! Uncertainty! Doubt! about. [begin-sarcasm] Can you do binary math in your head? Boolean logic? Can you process a chain of inferences without a computer t

  1   2   >