On 9/22/2014 1:03 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:13:10AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> On 9/22/2014 10:55 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: >>> On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 11:31:57AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>>> >>>> Obviously it is important enough to enough users that it continues here. >>>> And shutting people up is not going to make the problem go away. It >>>> will, however, make users go away. I, for one, am looking at other >>>> systems now. And I think it is highly likely this path will force >>>> another fork of Debian, as occurred when Ubuntu forked. >>> >>> Oh Please! There are plenty of Debian derivatives. No doubt there will >>> always be derivatives, but your insinuation that these derivatives occur >>> because of problems within Debian, is incorrect. Please stop spreading >>> FUD! >>> >> >> And why are there derivatives? Because someone didn't like something >> about Debian. To them there was a problem. > > Have you got any link to back this up. My understanding is that someone > creates a derivative because Debian is a good starting point - someone > has already done all the hard work -- all the derivatives have to do is > a few config changes add some eye candy and voila! :) OK, it may not be > that simple but hopefully you get my point. >
You tell ME why someone would go to all the trouble of creating and maintaining a derivative if Debian suits their purpose. It is not a minor job. It is a LOT more than "a few config changes" and "adding some eye candy". But I get your point. You have no idea how much work is involved. > One of the reasons I like Debian is that you can install the base system > and take it from there adding the packages you want. Some people can't > be bothered with that and prefer an "OOTB solution", I think this is the > reason for a derivative forming --- people have different ideas of what > that "OOTB solution" should be. > That's fine for you. But it doesn't fit everyone, and an OOTB solution is NOT the only reason derivatives are created. > Do you know of any fork/derivative which occured because of a "problem" > within Debian? The only reason I can think of at the moment is possibly > because of a lack of proprietry audio or video codecs. > Ubuntu, for one. Creating and maintaining that repository is not a minor job, even though Debian has done much of the hard work. It is not handled by just one person. There are a number of people involved, each spending quite a fair amount of time maintaining the repository. And the lack of proprietary codecs is only ONE problem. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [email protected] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [email protected] Archive: https://lists.debian.org/[email protected]
