Just one of the many reasons i chose an “older” C&C 35 MKII no baby stay
tree trunk mast keel stepped single spreaders double lowers fore and aft
easy to tune and keep tuned. Very well built boat heavy and strong non
cored hull and thick too. Besides I love the classic Cutherbertson design
shear li
My boat came with a baby stay on a Schaeffer track. I replaced the track
with a Harken high profile track and a Harken traveler car. I can snug it
by hand, but I can also lead it to a spinnaker halyard winch through a
Lewmar clutch. In light air, I release the clutch, and push the BS back to
the ma
John,
I agree. I sited up the mast on Glenn Gambel's C&C 36 during the Queens
cup race and notice how much the mast was pumping. I tightened the baby
stay as much as I could without using a winch and it quieted down
significantly.
I was not very familiar with a baby stay with our Redwing 3
I find the baby stay is an essential part for controlling mast pumping and
flattening the mainsail especially when racing. I was amazed at how much the
mast pumped without the baby stay when going to windward in 15 knots apparent
and one to two foot seas. Just lie on the deck and look up the m
My experience in the 1990s when I first started racing keelboats in San
Francisco Bay was that everyone took off their baby stays for the reasons
people have already shared on this list. I never saw a problem on Santa
Cruz, Olson, boats.
My 36-1 has the baby stay removed and has been fine, though
Wade,
Once we went to In-Line shrouds as opposed to double lowers, the baby stay was
introduced to tension the mast forward . . .
With experience, most boats were able to eliminate the use of the baby stay if
you had even a small amount of pre-bend aft. We couldn’t rely on you setting
the ma
Hi Rob,
are you speaking specifically of C&C 34's in this comment? My boat is a 33
MKII and I wonder if I might be able to do without my baby stay? I am 80%
cruiser, 20% racer on Lake of the Woods in Ontario so big seas are not
something I have to deal with. What would I sacrifice without the
That was a long time ago, but here’s my best recollection:
Looking on-line, I believe we used a high-load Wichard head thimble shackle --
the kind with the blue plastic to hold the spliced eye. I had the eye
professionally spliced by Rigging Only. As I recall, the pin was undersized
for the m
Wow! Thank you Rob; This is one of the most amazing things I have learned from
this list; I have defended the babystay to jib trimmers ad nauseam over the
years under the premise that "C&C put them on there...they must be required";
We sail on a river, so we do not get the heavy pumping situati
Well said, I agree
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> On Oct 26, 2017, at 6:10 AM, robert via CnC-List
> wrote:
>
> My 1984 C&C 32 has a very robust mast.as was stated "more like an
> aluminum telephone pole", nevertheless Rob Ball decided to outfit the rig
> with a baby stay and for that reason, it s
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> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34
>
>
>
> I find the baby stay que
lins
Subject: Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34
I find the baby stay question an interesting one. We've got the adjustable
babystay, but don't race, so usually it gets tensioned at the beginning of the
season and then at some random time during the summer someone kicks the clutch,
Rob,
I have one of those bendy masts with 3 spreaders and contemplated removing
the baby stay. Rather than find out it was really needed at an inopportune
time, I installed a 4' PVC tube with a cap from a turnbuckle boot over the
stay. The jib sheets are less likely to snag on the stay. Bett
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I have the same issue on “Ronin”.
I’m 99.99% certain that the stud is not attached to the keel
trade off.
My 2 cents American
John and Maryann
Legacy III
1982 C&C 34
Noank, CT
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I haven't used mine since we bought it 3-4 years ago. But my wife and I are
thinking of selling and upgrading, so I'm concerned about resale value if I
don't get it fixed first.
Kevin Paxton
'82 34 #473
Japhys Spirit
Cornfield Creek, Magothy River, MD
On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:44 AM Persuasion37
Ditto
Mike
PERSUASION
C&C 37 K/CB
Long Sault
> On Oct 25, 2017, at 9:21 PM, G Collins via CnC-List
> wrote:
>
> I find the baby stay question an interesting one. We've got the adjustable
> babystay, but don't race, so usually it gets tensioned at the beginning of
> the season and then at so
: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 9:21 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: G Collins
Subject: Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34
I find the baby stay question an interesting one. We've got the adjustable
babystay, but don't race, so usually it gets tensioned at the beginning of the
season and th
I find the baby stay question an interesting one. We've got the adjustable
babystay, but don't race, so usually it gets tensioned at the beginning of the
season and then at some random time during the summer someone kicks the clutch,
and eventually I discover that it isn't tensioned.
Would it
Before investing lots of time, effort and money in reattaching your baby stay
to whatever, give some thought to a larger questionis it necessary on your
boat? While I am not a naval architect and have not recently stayed in a
Holiday Inn Express :>), unless your mast is 'bendy' and absolutel
My baby stay comes down to a pad eye on the top of the cabin and is then
attached to a piece of rod rigging just in front of the head in the v-berth
area. I don't have a track on mine.
If there is any stainless bracket or welding, I can't see it. There is a
lot of fiberglass covering it all. I can
Have you thought of using a padeye screwed to stringer, friction ring, and
dyneema? Would be a lot cheaper (and lighter) and you could DIY it. Would
serve same function just as well. Don't have time to get into it, but look
around at what is possible since probably would be done this way today on a
Chuck, et al,
I don’t know if it is the same on your model but be careful about assuming that
the track tie-down follows the angle of the baby-stay. At least that is my
take-away from your description of it being “far in front of the keel” means.
With the 37’, on the aft end of the baby-stay t
p; Maryann
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Thanks John,
That's what I was afraid of. Sounds l
I have the same issue on “Ronin”.
I’m 99.99% certain that the stud is not attached to the keel. It certainly
isn’t on my model when I removed my keel. Were it attached to the keel there
would be a series of list posts advising owners on how to unhook it. In my 20
years on this list I haven’t s
Thanks John,
That's what I was afraid of. Sounds like this is not going to necessarily
be an easy fix.
Just so I make sure I understand what your saying.
- The stud is believed to be attached directly to the keel.
- If that is true, then the shaft of the stud is probably 3+ inches
throug
Hi Kevin
Sorry to see this situation but as with most things boat, all it takes is money
to fix things. Obviously some water got into the stub recess and corroded the
stub itself. Pretty impressive to cause the stud to crack apart. FWIW, we
consider the baby stay an integral part of the r
David your statement of my whole setup is correct. It is a spliced eye
with no thimble. The hook fits tight in the eye splice to avoid
inadvertent disengagement when the cunningham is softened or while the sail
is not at full height (reefed or down completely). When I reef I typically
don't use
Hi Josh- I have a similar rig, but the reefing hook is attached directly to the
luff cringle. I considered adding another 2:1 but I want to clarify how your
pennant is rigged. It looks like it is attached to the tack pin, then up to
the cringle and then down to a spliced loop for the reefing h
would be greatly appreciated as well.
Thanks as always for your help, Bruce Whitmore
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunnin
Great discussion - helped me resolve a few entangled rigging mods. Thanks!
Dave
From: Josh Muckley
To: "C&C List"
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 17:58:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?
Check out these pictures.
https://drive.google.com
f setup, that would be greatly
appreciated as well.
Thanks as always for your help,
Bruce Whitmore
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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gt; trimming main sail. A tight sheet and vang does close the leech but wind it
> is usually bending mast that is a tool used to open leech vs in light wind
>
> Mike
>
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh
> Muckley via CnC-List
> Sen
ech is a major tool in
> trimming main sail. A tight sheet and vang does close the leech but wind
> it is usually bending mast that is a tool used to open leech vs in light
> wind
>
> Mike
>
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> ] *On Behalf Of *Josh Mu
"Milwaukee, WI
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From: "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Date: Fri, May 19, 2017 5:21 am
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: "Hoyt, Mike&q
riday, May 19, 2017 10:38 AM
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Cc: Marek Dziedzic mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com>>
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Bruce,
Garhauer makes very nice adjustable car system. Look up “Garhauer adjustable
genoa car system
+ 1 on Garhauer, I like mine.
Gary
30-1
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?
Bruce,
Garhauer
Bruce,
Garhauer makes very nice adjustable car system. Look up “Garhauer adjustable
genoa car system”. A few pictures here (not my boat ((:-():
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hq9xfaayl2n3b9v/AAAbFxc4HSJ8GMhukyZq1AR4a?dl=0 .
Marek
I am thinking of adding cars to my jib track that I can adjust from
hitm...@sbcglobal.net
>
>
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> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?
>
> Ultimately, to answer your q
Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?
Ultimately, to answer your question, IMO the Cunningham is a valuable addition.
For me adjusting halyard tension is more difficult than adjusting Cunningham.
My Cunningham is a 5 to 1 fiddle block arrangement which pulls down on a
pennant th
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?
Cunningham does flatten the sail but simply due to luff tension.
If a baby stay is able to pull the belly of the mast forward then the luff is
also pulled forw
Ultimately, to answer your question, IMO the Cunningham is a valuable
addition.
For me adjusting halyard tension is more difficult than adjusting
Cunningham. My Cunningham is a 5 to 1 fiddle block arrangement which pulls
down on a pennant that passes through the luff cringle (2 to 1) resulting
in
"
wrote:
And bending mast would also open leech
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*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?
Cunningha
They both "depower" the main but it's not the same thing going on:
As the wind builds it pushes the max draft in the main aft. This increases
drag until it slows the boat and increases heel. The Cunningham brings the max.
draft forward again to make the aerofoil more effective. It increases lif
There is a difference between the amount of max draft and the location of
max draft.
Mast bend affects the amount of maximum draft. Luff tension or cunningham
affects the location of maximum draft.
For a headsail, headstay sag affects the amount of maximum draft. Halyard
tension affects the loc
And bending mast would also open leech
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Cunningham does flatten the sail
Cunningham does flatten the sail but simply due to luff tension.
If a baby stay is able to pull the belly of the mast forward then the luff
is also pulled forward and the resulting shape of the sail is flatter.
Josh
On Thu, May 18, 2017, 8:18 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List
wrote:
> Doesn't the cun
Doesn't the cunngham assist the halyard in moving draft forward?
-Original Message-
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Subject: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?
Both
Dave,
The controls are not really redundant. The cunningham does a much better
job of flattening the main. The cunningham tightens the luff in the bottom
third of the sail very effectively.
The babystay can shape the main a little, but it mainly used to prevent the
mast from pumping. The thick
They both help to flatten the main in heavy wind but they do it
differently. Kinda like saying, "Since I have a belt I don't need
suspenders."
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Wed, May 17, 2017, 9:43 PM Dave S via CnC-List
wrote:
> Both depower the main Does the ad
Have a look at small SS mast steps--mounted on the ends of my genoa tracks and
forward of my former baby stay track. You just mount them
with the underside facing forward so that the supports form a 3 pronged SS, low
profile 'cage' that forces any lines up and over them.
Charlies Nelson
Water
I was able to modify the new Schaefer end stops to fit the old track with a
little carving. Might work for Kenyon. Rig Right sells the new stop. Very
close. Jerry
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> On Jan 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, John and Maryann Read via CnC-List
> wrote:
>
> Our baby stay is attached
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> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Baby Stay on 30-2
>
> Does the C&C 30 have a deck track which provides more or less tension on
> the baby stay?
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989
Not my model. The 30XL and 30R models did.
Allen Miles
s/v Septima
Hampton, VA
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Does the C&C 30 have a deck track which provides more
Does the C&C 30 have a deck track which provides more or less tension on
the baby stay?
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Aug 18, 2015 7:16 PM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List"
wrote:
> Snap shackle on mine
>
> Joel
>
> On Tuesday, August 18, 2015, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List <
>
Snap shackle on mine
Joel
On Tuesday, August 18, 2015, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> I too would like to do something with my 30-2 baby stay. I actually saw a
> 30-1 near by with a 3 or 4 to 1 purchase with a cam cleat (like a
> traditional boom vang) for his baby
I too would like to do something with my 30-2 baby stay. I actually saw a
30-1 near by with a 3 or 4 to 1 purchase with a cam cleat (like a
traditional boom vang) for his baby stay. I very much like this idea in
that it is a) removable and b) could be tension-ed for mid section mast
bend in blowy c
Yep, pelican hook, same here.
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Aug 18, 2015 5:36 PM, "Bill Bina via CnC-List"
wrote:
> I terminated mine with a pelican hook. Works great.
>
> Bill Bina
>
> On 8/18/2015 5:29 PM, allen via CnC-List wrote:
>
>> Readying Septima for some fall c
I terminated mine with a pelican hook. Works great.
Bill Bina
On 8/18/2015 5:29 PM, allen via CnC-List wrote:
Readying Septima for some fall cruising. Given the milder winds here, I
would like to have a quick disconnect on the base of the baby stay so I
can tie it off to the mast freeing space
Readying Septima for some fall cruising. Given the milder winds here, I would
like to have a quick disconnect on the base of the baby stay so I can tie it
off to the mast freeing space to bring the dink up on the foredeck.
What hardware is best in this application?
Allen Miles
s/v Septima
Hampt
So I just went up there again to fix the steaming light, and the crack is
less than an inch. I'm thinkingof just keepig an eye on it to make sure it
doesn't expand. If I do dynema I have to make sure shackles and thimbles
are rated for same strength. Is a 1/4" stainless thimble same rating as
I bet the Dyneema will do the trick easily. That's what I would do.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Has anyone replaced the baby stay on a 38 Mk2. It is a ¼” 1/19 wire braid.
>
> I am asking b/c I discovered a cr
Petar,
If this functions the same the baby stay on the 35-3, you should be able to
sail without it - no need to miss out on sailing this weekend...
Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3
Branford, CT
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Has anyone replaced
Replaced the one on my 35/3 with wire, but if I had the dyneema lying
around I would have done a DIY.
Joel
35/3
Annapolis
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Has anyone replaced the baby stay on a 38 Mk2. It is a ¼” 1/19 wire braid.
>
>
She can't be that big; the more the merrier
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
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Sent: May 22, 2013 12:08 PM
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>
> ** **
>
> Dwight Veinot
>
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
>
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>
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> Mike
> *Sent:* May 22, 2013 10:42 AM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby Stay
Steve
The water tastes different when it splashes all over your face
Sailing is good in Halifax. Generally consistent breezes, tides are an
issue a bit due to currents but more so in that where you had plenty of
water 6 hour
then you will
love a typical Fall Day here.
Mike
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Stevan Plavsa
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Wow guys, great feedback! Thank
Wow guys, great feedback! Thank you very much for taking the time to
write... and so quickly!
Do the boats go on the hard for the winter and how long is the sailing
season?!?
I have yet to visit but the next trip I take will be to see the east coast
with my girlfriend. Neither of us have ever been
Sailing in and around Halifax is awesome. You can have the world as your
destination if you have time.
There are many little islands and coves to anchor in and there are 5 clubs in
Halifax to choose your racing
from. There is a Metro circuit if you want to race most weekends. Cruising down
to Ch
Bob! Don't give any secrets away! Tell him that this is one of the world's
great places to go sailing and that the entire ocean goes up and down 6' or so
around Halifax a couple of times a day without any problems most of the time.
Other than that, s!
Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax
On
om] On Behalf Of
Stevan Plavsa
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:17 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby Stay
Hey Bob, question for you from a Torontonian that's getting tired of
this city .. what's the sailing like out in Halifax? I'm sure it's a lot
more inte
Woops ... sorry didn't mean to send that to the entire list!
If any other listers from Halifax want to chime in please feel free to
email me offline.
Thanks,
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:
> Hey Bob, question for you from a Torontonian that's
Hey Bob, question for you from a Torontonian that's getting tired of this
city .. what's the sailing like out in Halifax? I'm sure it's a lot more
interesting than Lake Ontario but coming from a lake I've never dealt with
tides and currents. Is the sailing very challenging out there? Do you haul
yo
Thanks Bob. That certainly explains the fitting/tube thingy on the floor of
the vee birth.
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Robert Abbott wrote:
> Steve:
>
> Mine is hull #277the baby stay is on a tunrbuckle connected to the
> deck.there is a 'SS rod' tha
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