[RBW] Re: WTT My 64 cm Atlantis for Your 61 cm Atlantis, or FS 64 cm Atlantis

[Mike Godwin]

Howdy

I know youz guys are chomping at the bit, the Atlantis has found a new 
home. It returns to its home region from Bend Oregon, by way of San Luis 
Obispo.  Thank you for your questions and interest.  

Mike SLO CA

On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 8:51:41 PM UTC-7, Mike Godwin wrote:

>
> For RBW-OBs in the know, the serial number is AT0644, so maybe the fourth 
> one in a January? Or the first one in January 2004 from Toyo?
>
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 7:17:01 PM UTC-7, Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> Hi folks
>>
>> A note on ibob list is the same, I took about 20 photos of the bike. 
>> Please send me an email if you want more photos. I'm not adept at the 
>> google groups/flicker stuff, sorry.  The paint is not as good as I thought, 
>> but no dents or dings.  Willing to sell all or part, but would prefer 
>> f/f/hs trade.  Photo below is with seat height at 82.5 cm, center of crank 
>> to top of seat. 
>>
>> Mike SLO CA
>>
>> On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 8:40:45 PM UTC-7, Mike Godwin wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks
>>> I bought an Atlantis from a consignment shop, by phone and email. Listed 
>>> as 61 cm, SO height they gave me was a little weird, but I went with it 
>>> anyway. The "mechanic" said it had really big tires and a Stronglight 
>>> crank. 700x35 are really big if one is accustomed to skinny tires on carbon 
>>> bikes, and a "S" on a crank is for Stronglight.  Turns out it is a 64 cm.  
>>> I would like to trade someone for a 61 cm, f/f/hs. This one has plain 
>>> headlugs, no kickstand plate. I think it is from mid 2000s based on photos 
>>> on Cyclofiend.  Paint in good condition, a little dirty, no dents, a small 
>>> paint chip on the top tube.  So, how about a straight trade for frame fork 
>>> and headset?
>>>
>>> If that does not work, I'd like $1,500, buyer pays shipping. Current 
>>> build is:
>>> -  heat treated moustache bars, Nitto 10 cm stem, ultegra bar-end 
>>> shifter, basic Tektro levers
>>> -  ultegra headset, Tektro Oryx brakes with black koolstop pads
>>> -  rr wheel black Deore with black Alex R500, frt wheel silver 105 and 
>>> silver Bontrage Fairlane, Panaracer Tour Guard tires
>>> -  laprade post and Terry saddle
>>> -  rr derailleur black Deore, frt derailleur 105, Sugino XD2 175 crank 
>>> 46-36-36, rings look near new, new chain, new cogset 
>>>
>>> I am along Central Coast CA, half way between LA and SF, can drive 
>>> several hours to seal the deal if necessary
>>>
>>> Mike, SLO CA
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Mike Godwin]

Ooh, ooh, I got one too! :) Found it on local CL, looking for an Atlantis 
at the time but this came up for a steal of a price, so who could 
resist? White with blue accents It too has downtube cable stops rather than 
shifter bosses. I would prefer shifter bosses, but for a bike in my size 
and decent parts and great price within 20 miles ... Came with Rich built 
ultegra hubs/open pro rims, 3x 14 g straight gauge spokes. The bike felt 
dead, not Surly Crosscheck dead but nothing like a Legolas, or my Lemond 
Zurich or even mid 70s Bob Jackson. The shoes it runs on now are velocity 
aerohead/dura ace 7x00 (thanks Mark R) with 14-16-14 g spokes, continental 
4000 GP extra special wunder bar etc tires. Much more lively ride. Fits 36 
mm measured tires. Braking by Royal Gran Comp/koolstop.  I removed the 
bulky ultegra brakes and fugly 4-arm 105 black crank. It sports a Ritchey 
Logic crank with willow rings (thanks David B). 

On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 7:39:14 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> As I understand it the Roadeo has significantly thinner tubing than the 
> Romulus and Ram I owned. Noticeable enough that my one very short ride 
> around the building at RBW told me I was riding a different, whippier, 
> snappier bike than what I was familiar with. To my mind it was the 
> difference between a Riv road bike built to a survivable standard under 
> fairly stout riders, and one with a definite weight limit. Almost a 
> "production custom", if you will. 

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Bill Lindsay]

Trying to paste a link in iPhone. We’ll see if this works

https://flic.kr/p/qXXDbM

PM me if you like

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca

In the argument above I bet money that my zip ties would be intact for a long 
time. They are still rock solid for what it’s worth. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Soma San Marcos - Size 54

[RDS]

The frame is located in Georgia.

On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 7:52:56 PM UTC-4, RDS wrote:
>
> Soma San Marcos size 54 - Frame, Fork, Headset (FSA).  I am the 2nd owner 
> (I think) and the first owner did not ride the bike.  I probably rode it 
> less than 20 miles.  Frame is in good shape.  A couple of paint nicks that 
> you can see in the pics. $500 + shipping by BikeFlights or ShipBikes.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1nimNFoZwJVF861Y2TctQC3xLj08cgzPu?usp=sharing
>
> Contact me off list.  Paypal friends and family for payment.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Soma San Marcos - Size 54

[Bruce Baker]

Yeah I ride a 56 and the San Marcos 54 fit me great

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 11:08 PM, Patrick Shea  wrote:

> I checked the specs and it’s at least an inch too big for me. And I ride
> 54s. Odd. Sorry.
>
> Patrick
>
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 3:50 PM RDS  wrote:
>
>> $400 + Shipping to continental US.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 7:52:56 PM UTC-4, RDS wrote:
>>>
>>> Soma San Marcos size 54 - Frame, Fork, Headset (FSA).  I am the 2nd
>>> owner (I think) and the first owner did not ride the bike.  I probably rode
>>> it less than 20 miles.  Frame is in good shape.  A couple of paint nicks
>>> that you can see in the pics. $500 + shipping by BikeFlights or ShipBikes.
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1nimNFoZwJVF861Y2TctQ
>>> C3xLj08cgzPu?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> Contact me off list.  Paypal friends and family for payment.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Lum Gim Fong]

I guess the thinner wall tubing (6/4/6 DT/TT) , shorter chainstays, and 
hand trimmed HT lugs?
The early ones had the trimmed HT lugs, iirc. You can see the points cut 
off.
Not that that would really make any difference, I don't think.
>From a Grant interview we know that the Roadeo  tubing is: ("Mix of 
Reynolds 725 and TrueTemp OX Plat. As thin as I/Grant could stand to go. 
(0.65 butts in the tt and dt, with 0.45 bellies")
I weigh 146lbs. Have weighed from there up to 178 on my other four previous 
8/5/8 Rivs that rode great but sometimes on hills felt as if I could not 
get out of my own way on the 8/5/8's, regardless of tire types.

So maybe the lighter tubing of the Roadeo behaves better for my weight 
class? Maybe 8/5/8 is more cooperative for people in the 175+lb. range like 
a 6/4/6 would be for people below 175? Just speculating. But I have owned 
three 8/5/8 Rivs and the Ram was best at climbing and had lighter tubing 
rear triangle than Sam and Bleriots I had. But it still would bog down on 
hills but not as bad as the Bleriots and Sam did for me. Though I have 
loved riding them all.



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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Bob B]

Reading the comments on that pinkbike link SERIOUSLY reaffirmed my appreciation 
for having this forum and community to talk about bikes.

Bob B.
Brooklyn, NY

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Reed Kennedy]

On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 6:08 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

>
> In the argument above I bet money that my zip ties would be intact for a
> long time. They are still rock solid for what it’s worth.


I also zip tie basket to my racks. Sadly haven’t found them to work in
perpetuity, it does eventually break. Specifically, the basket wires
eventually break near the ties. I’ve also had some of the basket welds
fail.

I wish the basket would last as long as the zip ties!


Best,
Reed

>

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[RBW] Re: Northeast Riv Unmeeting 2018, Interest/Headcount, Columbus Day Weekend

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

It's officialthere's gonna be a patch.

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[RBW] Problem with Roadinis?

[Alan H]

Hi All,

Looking for some feedback from folks here about the orange Roadinis.

Last week I placed an order for one of the new orange Roadinis in a size 50 
(thanks to my darned 80 cm pbh). After a week without any news from Riv 
(and having my cc charged), I called to find out when the bike would ship. 
I was told that they had received a lot of orders and were running a light 
crew because of Interbike and that my bike would pack and ship yesterday 
(Friday).

Yesterday I got a call from Vince saying that there was a problem. He told 
me that the brake bridge on the orange Roadini frames was in the wrong 
place and that standard road brake calipers wouldn't work. While he told me 
the frame would work with longer pull brakes (like Tektros or Pauls), 
frames with the correct brake bridge wouldn't be back in until December.

Needless to say I'm a little disappointed and frustrated, especially since 
I logged on here today and saw folks talking about their new orange 
Roadinis. Has anyone else gotten a similar story from Riv? 

On a related topic, since I'm apparently not getting a Roadini, does anyone 
have experience with Soma's road frames? In particular I like the look of 
the Stanyan  
in pearl white. It has a geometry similar to their ES model and is a fully 
lugged steel frame at a very attractive price point. The Roadini was 
obviously my first choice, but I wonder how the Soma stacks up in terms of 
build and ride qualities.

Thanks in advance for you input!

-Alan


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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Reed Kennedy]

On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 7:39 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> As I understand it the Roadeo has significantly thinner tubing than the
> Romulus and Ram I owned. Noticeable enough that my one very short ride
> around the building at RBW told me I was riding a different, whippier,
> snappier bike than what I was familiar with. To my mind it was the
> difference between a Riv road bike built to a survivable standard under
> fairly stout riders, and one with a definite weight limit. Almost a
> "production custom", if you will.
>

For the curious, the tubing wall thickness measurements I've taken of
several similar-sized Rivendell bikes can be found here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XeS2nJhBPSDRbqgG1-F2VOI_vK1QZnZmysARDJWyGps/edit?usp=sharing

Please note that I strongly suspect Riv uses different gauges of tubing for
different sizes, so these measurements almost certainly do not reflect the
tubing spec of smaller frames. I look forward to measuring other sizes and
finding out for sure!

That said, since the Hunqapillar, Rambouillet, Roadeo, and Hilsen shown at
that link are all in the same size "neighborhood" it probably does give a
fair idea of the relative differences between the models.

If anyone is around the SF Bay Area and would like their bikes measured,
please drop me a line!


Best,
Reed

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[RichS]

Bob, 

You have that right!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 9:33:12 AM UTC-4, Bob B wrote:
>
> Reading the comments on that pinkbike link SERIOUSLY reaffirmed my 
> appreciation for having this forum and community to talk about bikes.
>
> Bob B.
> Brooklyn, NY
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[RBW] Problem with Roadinis?

[John G.]

Sorry to hear that, and I understand your frustration. I’m sure the folks at 
Rivendell are incredibly frustrated, too. 

I had a Soma Smoothie, and it rode like a dead dog. My Waterford Atlantis was 
much better.

If you can’t wait, you might want to consider a Black Mtn Road. I have one, and 
it’s the only reason I don’t have a Roadini.

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[RBW] Problem with Roadinis?

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Personally, I would consider the extra clearance a plus. That's commonly a spot 
where fender clearance is reduced by brake interference. I understand not 
wanting that if you don't plan on ever fendering the bike, or don't want to 
maximize tire size, but I'd personally only consider it a problem if it had 
REDUCED clearance.

Eamon
Seattle

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[RBW] Problem with Roadinis?

[Bill Lindsay]

I am waiting an indeterminate time for my next bike that’s on order, so my 
advice is that you be patient and wait until the right Leo comes in. This is 
easy advice for me to follow myself because I have a lot of bikes. If you have 
zero bikes today and need one, then it seems to make sense to find a substitute 
immediately. If you have one or more bikes today, I advise waiting for your 
Leo, enjoying the build this winter and have fun on it in the spring. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Hoffsta]

Haha! Bill, that’s a killer hack and I’m gonna try it! Thanks

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[RBW] Problem with Roadinis?

[Joe Bernard]

My 54 is fine, but I may have gotten lucky. I haven't seen any other orange 
Roadinis on this forum yet. 

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Re: [RBW] Problem with Roadinis?

[Patrick Moore]

Sorry about your disappointment too. When I ordered my second custom, it
arrived with the brake caliper mounting hole just a few mm too high in the
fork crown, and I had to either file the (57 mm max reach) brake pad slots
or -- this is what I did in the event -- use a drop bolt.

I complained to Riv, and I have to say that they took care of it quickly.

Why not wait 3 months? I don't know Somas, but I do know something about
Riv road bikes, and me, I'd wait.

On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 8:28 AM, Alan H  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Looking for some feedback from folks here about the orange Roadinis.
>
> Last week I placed an order for one of the new orange Roadinis in a size
> 50 (thanks to my darned 80 cm pbh). After a week without any news from Riv
> (and having my cc charged), I called to find out when the bike would ship.
> I was told that they had received a lot of orders and were running a light
> crew because of Interbike and that my bike would pack and ship yesterday
> (Friday).
>
> Yesterday I got a call from Vince saying that there was a problem. He told
> me that the brake bridge on the orange Roadini frames was in the wrong
> place and that standard road brake calipers wouldn't work. While he told me
> the frame would work with longer pull brakes (like Tektros or Pauls),
> frames with the correct brake bridge wouldn't be back in until December.
>
> Needless to say I'm a little disappointed and frustrated, especially since
> I logged on here today and saw folks talking about their new orange
> Roadinis. Has anyone else gotten a similar story from Riv?
>
> On a related topic, since I'm apparently not getting a Roadini, does
> anyone have experience with Soma's road frames? In particular I like the
> look of the Stanyan
>  in pearl
> white. It has a geometry similar to their ES model and is a fully lugged
> steel frame at a very attractive price point. The Roadini was obviously my
> first choice, but I wonder how the Soma stacks up in terms of build and
> ride qualities.
>
> Thanks in advance for you input!
>
> -Alan
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Problem with Roadinis?

[James Warren]

Are you considering getting the Roadini now anyway and using one of the longer 
pull brakes? That’s what I would do, because I use those brakes on another 
bike, and I think they’re good. And I’d enjoy the extra clearance.

Good luck,
Jim


> On Sep 22, 2018, at 7:28 AM, Alan H  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Looking for some feedback from folks here about the orange Roadinis.
> 
> Last week I placed an order for one of the new orange Roadinis in a size 50 
> (thanks to my darned 80 cm pbh). After a week without any news from Riv (and 
> having my cc charged), I called to find out when the bike would ship. I was 
> told that they had received a lot of orders and were running a light crew 
> because of Interbike and that my bike would pack and ship yesterday (Friday).
> 
> Yesterday I got a call from Vince saying that there was a problem. He told me 
> that the brake bridge on the orange Roadini frames was in the wrong place and 
> that standard road brake calipers wouldn't work. While he told me the frame 
> would work with longer pull brakes (like Tektros or Pauls), frames with the 
> correct brake bridge wouldn't be back in until December.
> 
> Needless to say I'm a little disappointed and frustrated, especially since I 
> logged on here today and saw folks talking about their new orange Roadinis. 
> Has anyone else gotten a similar story from Riv? 
> 
> On a related topic, since I'm apparently not getting a Roadini, does anyone 
> have experience with Soma's road frames? In particular I like the look of the 
> Stanyan  in 
> pearl white. It has a geometry similar to their ES model and is a fully 
> lugged steel frame at a very attractive price point. The Roadini was 
> obviously my first choice, but I wonder how the Soma stacks up in terms of 
> build and ride qualities.
> 
> Thanks in advance for you input!
> 
> -Alan
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Re: [RBW] Problem with Roadinis?

[Patrick Moore]

Or some nice, high-end centerpulls -- an upgrade, not a make-do, right?

On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 10:43 AM, James Warren 
wrote:

>
> Are you considering getting the Roadini now anyway and using one of the
> longer pull brakes? That’s what I would do, because I use those brakes on
> another bike, and I think they’re good. And I’d enjoy the extra clearance.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Patrick Moore]

Aha. That may explain the difference in your experience. I'm almost 30 lb
heavier, and I'm pretty sure that the tubing on my customs is not as
thinwall (Chauncey Matthews came by to pick up the '99 Joe Starck frame --
f/f/hs -- for alteration. He lifted it and said, "Huh. Not so light.") But
damn, that bike just feels fast, and it has been surprising me in that way
for coming on to 20 years next April. Light wheels, certainly, but I'm
convinced that fit/position/geometry has a effect. (The '99 Joe is 18.1 lb
on a digital scale with conventional parts.)


On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 7:13 AM, Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

>
> I weigh 146lbs. Have weighed from there up to 178 on my other four
> previous 8/5/8 Rivs that rode great but sometimes on hills felt as if I
> could not get out of my own way on the 8/5/8's, regardless of tire types.
>
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Re: [RBW] Problem with Roadinis?

[Joe Bernard]

Personally I'd wait for a corrected orange Roadini, Riv probably won't sell him 
a "bad" one anyway. The whatever-model-it-is Shimano mid-reach brakes on mine 
stop notably better than the long-reach Tektros I had on my Cheviot. 

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Re: [RBW] Problem with Roadinis?

[Justin, Oakland]

Getting a Riv is not the same as getting a SOMA. Getting a SOMA is not the same 
as an all City. Etc etc. If you want a Roadini either ask for the current bike 
with extra clearance or wait. If you want a chubby tired road bike then All 
City, SOMA, Black Mountain Cycles (what I would pick) or vintage 80s bikes can 
all get you there. 

-J

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Re: [RBW] Problem with Roadinis?

[Ray Varella]

Personally, I would wait. 
A couple months go by quickly but a compromise you make to get a different 
frame will be with you for a long time. 

If you have something else to ride in the short term it will be worth the wait. 

When something is slightly out of spec, it’s likely much worse on the companies 
who build and sell goods than to the consumer is alerted to the issue instead 
of it being shipped. 

I might be a little bummed about the extra waiting period but I would be very 
grateful for having the issue corrected instead of being shipped a frame with a 
measurement out of spec. 

Ray

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[RBW] Problem with Roadinis?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hey Alan. Expectations can be premeditated disapointments, aye? Grin. Perhaps 
it’s time to try reframing expectations and see if that helps clarify things in 
your mind? Getting the right bike matters, and Rivendell is very good at doing 
that, even though it can take time. If you’re in a rush, you have options and 
they aren’t very compromising ones. Looking through previous threads, it looks 
like you have a Clem? Is it possible to practice delayed gratification for a 
few months (December is coming fast if you’re knitting a sweater for Christmas, 
slow if you’re waiting for a bike. Grin.)? The bottom line fantastic news is 
you are working with a solid company who bends over backwards to make sure you 
end up with a fantastic bike that rides like ... a bike should. That is worth a 
lot, and, to me, is the expectation that trumps all others.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Lum Gim Fong]

What kinda wheels you have on it?

The Ram rode the same for me at any weight. Not as good on hills as Roadeo, 
but good enough and a fantastic, comfy ride.
It also has a little more room for fenders and 32mm tires than Roadeo.
I love the blue paint, too. If I ever have to repaint the Roadeo I think I 
would do it in Ram blue, if I can ever find out what that color is called.

But if someone wanted to trade me their Roadeo for it I would take them up 
on the offer!!

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[RBW] Re: Problem with Roadinis?

[Lum Gim Fong]

They have a list of Rivdealers on their website. You could call around and 
see if anyone has a proper brake bridged Roadini.
But I would wait, too. Worth it.
If you get the Soma, you might one day think that you should have got the 
Roadini instead.
The Roadini is made with very thought out tubing.
I don't know what the Soma tubing is, but I could email you the Roadini 
tube specs if you want to compare. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Belopsky]

Have you seen these for sale anywhere by themselves? Alex's website does 
not list the 27.5" size

http://www.alexrims.com/products/dm24-2/

On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 2:23:48 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The widest 650B rim brake rim I've ever seen is the DM24 on my HubbuHubbuH 
> tandem.  Those are 32mm outside width and 24mm inside width with uber-thick 
> sidewalls.  I would think the Cliffhanger or the DM24 would both work fine 
> for 2.8" tires. 
>
> BL
>
>
> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 11:01:55 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>>
>> I'm fairly certain the sample is using 650b Velocity Cliffhangers: 
>>
>> http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/cliffhanger-584
>>
>> 30mm external width, tubeless compatible, rim brake rims. I've been using 
>> the 700c version on my CleMTB and have been quite satisfied with them, and 
>> I wouldn't be surprised if these ended up being the go-to rim for Gus. 
>>
>> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 9:40:03 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote:
>>>
>>> Just to be clear my concern is Not With rim brakes; it mostly centers 
>>> around what would have to be a wider then normal rim brake rim for this 
>>> particular model. I am could be wrong (hopefully), but are they putting 
>>> 2.8" tires on standard Atlas/Velocity rims? Otherwise all the wide 27.5 
>>> rims I am aware of are disk brake only!??  Maybe Alex makes something? I've 
>>> poked around enough looking for 650b rims, I can't imagine there's any I 
>>> haven't tripped over. So I have to assume they are made to order 
>>> (translation: proprietary) if so good luck finding them down the road or at 
>>> a reasonable price. (And 29ers are only slightly better maybe?)
>>> I guess in the future one could forgo the super wide tires & go with 
>>> normal tires/rims pretty easily, but . . .
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Bill Lindsay]

Igor

I'm curious why you are asking. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 1:14:44 PM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Have you seen these for sale anywhere by themselves? Alex's website does 
> not list the 27.5" size
>
> http://www.alexrims.com/products/dm24-2/
>
> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 2:23:48 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> The widest 650B rim brake rim I've ever seen is the DM24 on my 
>> HubbuHubbuH tandem.  Those are 32mm outside width and 24mm inside width 
>> with uber-thick sidewalls.  I would think the Cliffhanger or the DM24 would 
>> both work fine for 2.8" tires. 
>>
>> BL
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 11:01:55 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm fairly certain the sample is using 650b Velocity Cliffhangers: 
>>>
>>> http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/cliffhanger-584
>>>
>>> 30mm external width, tubeless compatible, rim brake rims. I've been 
>>> using the 700c version on my CleMTB and have been quite satisfied with 
>>> them, and I wouldn't be surprised if these ended up being the go-to rim for 
>>> Gus. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 9:40:03 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote:

 Just to be clear my concern is Not With rim brakes; it mostly centers 
 around what would have to be a wider then normal rim brake rim for this 
 particular model. I am could be wrong (hopefully), but are they putting 
 2.8" tires on standard Atlas/Velocity rims? Otherwise all the wide 27.5 
 rims I am aware of are disk brake only!??  Maybe Alex makes something? 
 I've 
 poked around enough looking for 650b rims, I can't imagine there's any I 
 haven't tripped over. So I have to assume they are made to order 
 (translation: proprietary) if so good luck finding them down the road or 
 at 
 a reasonable price. (And 29ers are only slightly better maybe?)
 I guess in the future one could forgo the super wide tires & go with 
 normal tires/rims pretty easily, but . . .
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Belopsky]

Well for one, the question posed earlier was where does one find wide, 
rim-braked rims.

Also simply curious because when I had the Clem that came with these stock, 
I too wondered where replacements could be had.

On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 4:18:55 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Igor
>
> I'm curious why you are asking. 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 1:14:44 PM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> Have you seen these for sale anywhere by themselves? Alex's website does 
>> not list the 27.5" size
>>
>> http://www.alexrims.com/products/dm24-2/
>>
>> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 2:23:48 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> The widest 650B rim brake rim I've ever seen is the DM24 on my 
>>> HubbuHubbuH tandem.  Those are 32mm outside width and 24mm inside width 
>>> with uber-thick sidewalls.  I would think the Cliffhanger or the DM24 would 
>>> both work fine for 2.8" tires. 
>>>
>>> BL
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 11:01:55 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:

 I'm fairly certain the sample is using 650b Velocity Cliffhangers: 

 http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/cliffhanger-584

 30mm external width, tubeless compatible, rim brake rims. I've been 
 using the 700c version on my CleMTB and have been quite satisfied with 
 them, and I wouldn't be surprised if these ended up being the go-to rim 
 for 
 Gus. 

 On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 9:40:03 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote:
>
> Just to be clear my concern is Not With rim brakes; it mostly centers 
> around what would have to be a wider then normal rim brake rim for this 
> particular model. I am could be wrong (hopefully), but are they putting 
> 2.8" tires on standard Atlas/Velocity rims? Otherwise all the wide 27.5 
> rims I am aware of are disk brake only!??  Maybe Alex makes something? 
> I've 
> poked around enough looking for 650b rims, I can't imagine there's any I 
> haven't tripped over. So I have to assume they are made to order 
> (translation: proprietary) if so good luck finding them down the road or 
> at 
> a reasonable price. (And 29ers are only slightly better maybe?)
> I guess in the future one could forgo the super wide tires & go with 
> normal tires/rims pretty easily, but . . .



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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Jonathan D.]

This is a great comparison. Thank you. I am curious are the bikes sized the 
same way?  I only ask because I find a smaller fitting bike can feel faster to 
me. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Garth]

Via the g00gle search for " Alex DM24 rim 700c "  :)

https://lunacycle.com/alex-ebike-rim-dm24/

On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 4:22:19 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Well for one, the question posed earlier was where does one find wide, 
> rim-braked rims.
>
>
>

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[RBW] For Sale Nitto medium Rack

[Ray Varella]

Cross posted from ibob list, apologies for redundancy 

This rack fits 26” and likely most 650b sizes. 
Measures 13 1/8” from mounting hole to bottom of platform 
Condition is excellent 
Email for pictures, files are too large to post here rayvarella007 at gmail dot 
com 

$120 plus shipping 

Thank you 
Ray 

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[RBW] Re: Problem with Roadinis?

[Joe Bernard]

He could always snap up the blue 50 on the Garage Sale page. I prefer the 
orange, too, but that's a really nice bike. 

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Lum Gim Fong]

53 Bleriot
55 Bleriot
52 blue Sam
54 Ram
53 Roadeo

I used 6cm stems on all but 55 Bleriot, which used 7cm stem. Coulda used a 6.

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[RBW] Re: 56 & 58 Hunq standover with max tire?

[tc]

Thanks guys!  Any other 56 or 58 hunq owners care to share their standovers 
(and what rims & tires you're using)?  

On Sunday, September 16, 2018 at 6:33:18 PM UTC-4, tc wrote:
>
> I'm having a hard time finding standover heights for the 56 Hunq (which I 
> believe was only offered in 650b) with the max tire.  This chart 
>  lists standover of the 56 at 
> 84.1, and 58 at 86.7 -- but not sure if that's at max tire size, which 
> would be a 2.35.  I would think they'd provide standover spec's at the max 
> tire, but who knows.  I can call Riv of course, but thought some of you may 
> have actual measurements... 
>
> If anyone out there has a 56/650b or 58/700c with 2.25 or greater tires, 
> could you share your standover height at the midpoint of the TT?  
>
> Theoretically I'd ride a 58 (90.5 pbh), which would be fine for the road.  
> But, given this would be more off-roadish, I think a standover max of 84 
> (with max width tire) would be safer for bumpy stuff and sudden dismounts
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Bill Schairer]

What about gearing?  Are they identically geared?  To me, the gearing is what 
makes a bike feel sluggish or not.  If I’ve got the right gears for how I feel, 
the terrain, the weather, the load all feels good.  The same bike can feel 
great one day and not the next depending on conditions.  All else just seems 
way way secondary to me.

Bill

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Bill Lindsay]

Igor indicates that he’s curious to find replacement rims for his Clem Smith 
Jr. 

How many replacement rims do you want to buy for your Clem?  What spoke hole 
count?  Do you prefer silver or black?  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, Ca

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[RBW] Re: 56 & 58 Hunq standover with max tire?

[Stephen W.]

TC- When I had the 56 650b Hunqapillar I ran Velocity Cliffhanger rims and 
Schwalbe Super Moto-X 2.4 inch tires...standover measured 84.4 above the 
bottom/lower bottle cage braze-on of the down tube. (measured by Roman because 
I inquired before they shipped it to me)

Stephen

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Belopsky]

Did anyone read anything I wrote?

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Bill Lindsay]

You appeared to be getting at something, either to make a point or to 
accomplish something else.  If you just want direct answers to your direct 
questions, fine.

Igor asked: 
"Have you seen these for sale anywhere by themselves?"  

Answer: "No"

Igor asked: 
"Did anyone read anything I wrote?"

Answer: "Yes"

On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 2:54:50 PM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
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> Did anyone read anything I wrote?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Joe Bernard]

"Did anyone read anything I wrote?"

Yes. Garth linked those rims at Luna Cycle, the ebike people. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Garth]

Lighten up Igor . I get it ... you asked for 27.5 rims and I gave you a 
link for 700c/26 , and now you are asking did anyone read your quest-I-on . 

I know  "people just don't listen ... people can't read . people 
are so blah blah blah infinitum ". "I'm so offended "   and a million and 
one "other" ways of crying "foul" . 

Of such thoughts anymore, no matter who says/thinks it , even I : * hmmm 
  * *so  what *? 

Reminds me of the song "poor poor pitiful me" . I crack up every time I 
hear it !Ahahahahaahahahaahah ! 





On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 5:54:50 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Did anyone read anything I wrote?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Garth]

In other words . 

*shiitake  happens !  *Life rolls on and rolls on Well !  



In regards to such rims , I suspect any bike shop that has a supplier 
catalog either in paper or web could look up such a re-quest for specific 
width 27.5 rims, but it would help if you had certain specific models in 
mind as I am unaware if the catalogs list specs beyond the essentials of 
identification . 

Or, contact mfr. distributors listed on their website(if listed) , as 
that's who the mfr. would direct you if you contacted them directly. 




BTW, I did find ebikes.ca that had 650B size in stock, but shipping to usa 
is insanity. If you live in Canada you're set though !
http://www.ebikes.ca/shop/electric-bicycle-parts/rims/rim275-dm24.html

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[RBW] Re: 56 & 58 Hunq standover with max tire?

[Max S]

Haven’t done MTB in forever... what’s the current thinking on standover vs. 
PBH?..  And is the Hunq now officially fossilized by Riv? 

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bill, test ride a carbon racer with all the gears you could possibly want, a 
Wally World bike-shapped-object with all the gears you could possibly want, and 
a Quickbeam with a gear you’d want (plus LCG, of course), and tell me if you 
agree with yourself. Grin.

With abandon,
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[RBW] FS: TA Zephyr Crankset Triple

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Offered here before I send it to eBay: TA Specialites Zephyr triple crankset. 
For 9/10 speed systems. 48/36/28 rings. 167.5mm arms. Fits square tapered 
bottom bracket.

Rare and pretty and French. Very little use—rings are like new.With integral 
crank bolts.

$350 shipped in the CONUS.

I love this crankset, but I don’t have a bike that needs it! 

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[RBW] Re: 56 & 58 Hunq standover with max tire?

[tc]

Max, good question, and the one I'm pondering too. I would assert that the 
Riv fit method favors road riding,  Or at least not majority singletrack 
riding.  This is based on owning (or having previously owned) a 61 Roadini, 
59 Clem H, 62 SimpleOne, 64 Atlantis, and 58 Sam.  Plus MTBs from other 
manufacturers.

My PBH is 90.5.  When I straddle my 64 Atlantis with 2.1 Nano's, the top 
tube is "right up in there", as in, about a mm shy of my PBH.  I don't care 
... I love that bike and I only ride it on the road.  I hope I never have 
to sell it.

When I straddle my 58 Sam (currently for sale), which has a standover of 
85.6cm (measured with the 38 Kendas at 45 lbs on Alex DM18 rims).  That 
height is fine for roadish riding, but is still a bit 'high" for the 
singletrack in my area.

Thus my estimate that something with a max standover of 84 or less would be 
ok.  So, for me, PBH minus 6.5cm might make sense for singletrack-favored 
riding...which means a standover of 83-84ish cm.  Others may be more or 
less conservative.

Therefore, I'm gonna seek out more details on a 56 hunq, which according to 
Stephen (who had one), had a standover of 84.4 with cliffhangers and 2.4s.

Tom

On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 6:48:43 PM UTC-4, Max S wrote:
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> Haven’t done MTB in forever... what’s the current thinking on standover 
> vs. PBH?..  And is the Hunq now officially fossilized by Riv? 

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Lum Gim Fong]

The Ram and Rodeo have the same exact cassette model and toothcounts.
Ram has 40T XD2big ring.
Roadeo 43 XD2 big ring.
I only use big rings on both. No front derailers on the bikes.
I am consistantly in higher cassette gears on Roadeo on same routes, even 
though it has a bigger T count big ring.

On my previous bikes I would have good days and bad days. On the rodeo I’ve 
only had good days so far. It takes way less effort to peddle the rodeo down 
the road.

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Bill Schairer]

Patrick,

Admittedly, my experience with different bikes is limited compared to many but, 
between the two bikes I ride regularly, there is probably a 10 lb or so 
difference and they both go just fine.  The lighter one is set up with granny 
half step gearing and so is easier to get just the right gear and maybe go 
faster.  My Atlantis, the heavier, has half steps but they require double 
shifts and I am much more likely to feel bogged down on it BUT, on the days 
where the gearing happens to be just right, I’ve set some of my PR’s on Strava. 
 The one I’ve ridden the most recently is usually the one that feels the best 
until I adjust on the other after a few rides and then it feels the best.

Ride a fully loaded tandem for two weeks then get on your single and it will be 
practically uncontrollable until you adjust.  I think the same when switching 
singles just less dramatic.  I bought a junker Windsor off CL for the parts.  
The first time I rode it, I couldn’t stand it.  Rode it a couple more times 
and, you know what, it wasn’t half bad.  I adjusted.

I’ve ridden my son’s plastic bike and a friend’s Seven Ti, both far ligher than 
anything I have with fancy wheels etc and, while I loved the Seven (perfect 
fit) and hated the plastic (admittedly the fit was not great), I didn’t feel 
faster on either going up down or somewhere in between.  Both had compact 
doubles which I simply detest - my best gears are the most cross chained with 
an awkward shift right  in the middle.  So, I guess I need to get a Seven with 
a granny and half step and see if I still agree with myself.  I look from time 
to time, grin. Regardless, unless they are set up exactly the same, I think I 
(the I emphasized somehow) can’t tell nothin.

Now, my Bike Friday is slower. It just doesn’t have the roll.  Small wheels or 
is it the IGH?

Bill

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[RBW] FS: TA Zephyr Crankset Triple

[Joe Bernard]

Carmina

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[RBW] FS: Sackville Grabsack

[gabriel luke thompson aspinwall]

Anyone want to buy a Brown Sackville Grabsack from me for $60 shipped, I 
used it once and its really nice but I realized it's too similar to my 
Shopsack for me.

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[RBW] Re: FS: TA Zephyr Crankset Triple

[sameness]

Yep. Zephyrs were a fixed spider/BCD. Them there's a Carmina.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 4:52:14 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> Carmina

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Bill Schairer]

Lum,

It would seem the case is closed!  Not that it wasn’t for you already.  Now, 
should I be happy with my ignorant bliss or try to convince my wife I need to 
keep searching?  I hope that isn’t sounding sarcastic because, if so, it is not 
intended. It may just be that I’m not capable of discerning differences others 
can, something I guess that can cut both ways.  That is unquestionably the case 
when it comes to smell and taste in comparison to my wife.  When on the GDMBR 
the weight I was carrying would vary quite a bit day to day depending on food 
supplies or the times we would lighten the load of the sick and I honestly was 
oblivious to it while others would be arguing to ditch food they thought 
expendable.  To me, I was like whatever.

Bill

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Mike Godwin]

Max

The washed out photo of the Ram makes it look like a toy, to go on a 
birthday cake.

MIke

On Saturday, January 27, 2018 at 9:00:53 AM UTC-8, reynoldslugs wrote:

>
> I have both bikes, and have put them both through thousands of miles and a 
>> variety of equipment iterations.  Not much difference between them (see 
>> caveat below).
>>
>
> Roadeo:
>  
>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157625293944684
>>
>
> Rambouillet: 
>
>  https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157635034191456
>
> love them both, love 'em a lot. To me, the rides are basically the same - 
> comfortable, stable.  I've ridden them both with light loads (maybe 3-4 lbs 
> in the handlebar bag) and had no problems a-tall.  The Roadeo is a bit 
> lighter, feels a bit more sprightly on the steep climbs.  But just a bit.  
> They are both smooth as butter and very comfortable.
>
> It's a Betty vs Veronica  choice - they are both great.
>
> Caveat: my opinions are untrained, unscientific.  I don't know planing 
> from potholes. I'm big, old, slow, and ride for fun.  Both bikes are fun 
> and ride beautifully. 
>
> I've updated both bikes since I put those albums together, I'll try to 
> post new images soon.
>
> best,
>
> Max Beach
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Patrick Moore]

Thinking more clearly, one of the bikes that just "felt" right from the
beginning was a porky Herse -- earlier owners had dumped it because of its
(for them) excessively stout tubing. Despite the weight penalty, it was one
of those bikes that seemed to require a cog 1 tooth smaller. Too bad that
the handling wasn't up to my benchmark Rivendell standards.

The gofast just feels fast, but (as above) it's not just the 7 or 8 lb
weight saving over my almost identical '03, which fits and is set up the
same -- this one has all the accoutrements: racks, fenders, dyno lighting,
and so forth. That is wonderful, but it doesn't feel as fast as the gofast.

I know about adjustments. My Rivs have Qs of 130 mm; my Matthews has a Q of
160. I get on the Matthews after riding the Rivs for a week, and it feels
awkward -- for about 500 feet. (Tho' I would happily reduce the Q by 10 or
20 mm if I could.) And there's the fixed versus free adjustment; the
Matthews is the only bike of 3 that has a freewheel.

I'd expect taller wheels to roll easier, all else equal; certainly, the 20"
wheels on the Dahon Hon Solo feel more sluggish, but then we are comparing
Tioga PowerBands with Elk Passes and Big Ones. Funny, I am beginning to
think that the Big Ones (700C C 60) roll better even than the Compass Elk
Passes, 559 X 29.

On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 5:34 PM, Bill Schairer  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> Admittedly, my experience with different bikes is limited compared to many
> but, between the two bikes I ride regularly, there is probably a 10 lb or
> so difference and they both go just fine.  The lighter one is set up with
> granny half step gearing and so is easier to get just the right gear and
> maybe go faster.  My Atlantis, the heavier, has half steps but they require
> double shifts and I am much more likely to feel bogged down on it BUT, on
> the days where the gearing happens to be just right, I’ve set some of my
> PR’s on Strava.  The one I’ve ridden the most recently is usually the one
> that feels the best until I adjust on the other after a few rides and then
> it feels the best.
>
> Ride a fully loaded tandem for two weeks then get on your single and it
> will be practically uncontrollable until you adjust.  I think the same when
> switching singles just less dramatic.  I bought a junker Windsor off CL for
> the parts.  The first time I rode it, I couldn’t stand it.  Rode it a
> couple more times and, you know what, it wasn’t half bad.  I adjusted.
>
> I’ve ridden my son’s plastic bike and a friend’s Seven Ti, both far ligher
> than anything I have with fancy wheels etc and, while I loved the Seven
> (perfect fit) and hated the plastic (admittedly the fit was not great), I
> didn’t feel faster on either going up down or somewhere in between.  Both
> had compact doubles which I simply detest - my best gears are the most
> cross chained with an awkward shift right  in the middle.  So, I guess I
> need to get a Seven with a granny and half step and see if I still agree
> with myself.  I look from time to time, grin. Regardless, unless they are
> set up exactly the same, I think I (the I emphasized somehow) can’t tell
> nothin.
>
> Now, my Bike Friday is slower. It just doesn’t have the roll.  Small
> wheels or is it the IGH?
>
> Bill
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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Keep in mind that these tubes are OS, so the 8/5/8 will flex similarly to a 
9/6/9, and the 6/4.5 would translate roughly to a 7/5/7 in terms of 
measurable flexing properties. It of course matters more when you are 
comparing Rivs to vintage standard tubing steels like 531, Columbus SL, 
Ishiwata 022 and Tange Prestige.

I kind of get the planing thing, but I'm not convinced that tubing of the 
main triangle is the main reason a bike will feel good. Tires as we know 
makes a big difference, as do lots of other factors that add up. Bottom 
line for me these days is, I'm pretty easy to pleasy.

On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 9:13:13 AM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> I guess the thinner wall tubing (6/4/6 DT/TT) , shorter chainstays, and 
> hand trimmed HT lugs?
> The early ones had the trimmed HT lugs, iirc. You can see the points cut 
> off.
> Not that that would really make any difference, I don't think.
> From a Grant interview we know that the Roadeo  tubing is: ("Mix of 
> Reynolds 725 and TrueTemp OX Plat. As thin as I/Grant could stand to go. 
> (0.65 butts in the tt and dt, with 0.45 bellies")
> I weigh 146lbs. Have weighed from there up to 178 on my other four 
> previous 8/5/8 Rivs that rode great but sometimes on hills felt as if I 
> could not get out of my own way on the 8/5/8's, regardless of tire types.
>
> So maybe the lighter tubing of the Roadeo behaves better for my weight 
> class? Maybe 8/5/8 is more cooperative for people in the 175+lb. range like 
> a 6/4/6 would be for people below 175? Just speculating. But I have owned 
> three 8/5/8 Rivs and the Ram was best at climbing and had lighter tubing 
> rear triangle than Sam and Bleriots I had. But it still would bog down on 
> hills but not as bad as the Bleriots and Sam did for me. Though I have 
> loved riding them all.
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: TA Zephyr Crankset Triple

[Eric Norris]

Sorry all ... guess it’s a Carmina. The rings say “Zephyr” on them.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Bill,
You must be a strong rider to be able to ride down the road without loads 
effecting you. 

I am a weak rider so maybe that’s why I feel a difference.? I don’t know. When 
I got the Roadeo I was expecting a slight difference but had no idea it was 
going to be so vastly different.

 Maybe strong riders can ride the bikes down the road no matter what it is and 
feels the same to them. Big muscle maybe overpowers the frame diffs?

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[RBW] Re: 56 & 58 Hunq standover with max tire?

[Max S]

Thanks for your thoughts / notes, Tom. My PBH is ~89.5 cm, and I’m used to 
riding a 57-59 cm (c-c) traditional road bike with ~7-8 cm bb drop, or even an 
all-rounder with 33 mm tires. Road fit I’ve now figured out — racing and sport 
and leisure. 

Now I am riding about 90% dirt / gravel / macadam roads, where I find 700x33 or 
650x38 tires to be perfectly adequate, but the 650x42 on my Ebisu or even 
650x60 tires on the Riv tandem feel even better. 

I’d like to start riding some trails again, but my last MTB was a MB-1 that I 
sold nearly 20 years ago. (Well, I briefly had a XL Singular Gryphon, which in 
retrospect I should have run with a Jones H-bar and kept, but rarely took it on 
trails.) 

So, now I am wondering if my current bike (e.g. Ebisu) will suffice for trails 
(perhaps some underbiking?), or if I should treat myself to a Riv off-road 
model of one type or another. I end up more or less in the middle of sizes on 
most Riv models, but the 56 cm Hunq could be a good fit. Given the price 
(custom range now?..), one would want a good fit. :-) 

- Max “on the bubble and on the fence” in A2 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Bill Schairer]

“You must be a strong rider to be able to ride down the road without loads 
effecting you.”

Lum,

I don’t really think so but I’ve never raced and almost always ride alone 
except when touring and so don’t really have a lot of comparison points.  
Sometimes others pass me and sometimes I pass others.  I do shift a LOT and pay 
a lot of attention to my gearing, trying to fine tune it.  I guess it is just 
my sensitivity level isn’t very fine tuned and not just as it might relate to 
cycling.  My wife might complain that it is too hot today or too cold today or 
too humid and I’m likely to think “really? Is it hot today?  I guess so, I 
hadn’t really noticed.”  Like I said, I think this can cut both ways.  
Sometimes I wish I were more discerning and other times I’m glad I’m not.

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[RBW] FS: TA Carmina Crankset Triple

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

(Reposted with the correct name for the crankset)

Offered here before I send it to eBay: TA Specialites Carmina triple crankset. 
For 9/10 speed systems. 48/36/28 rings. 167.5mm arms. Fits square tapered 
bottom bracket.

Rare and pretty and French. Very little use—rings are like new. With 
self-extracting crank bolts.

$350 shipped in the CONUS. You'd pay almost $600 for the same crankset new!

I love this crankset, but I don’t have a bike that needs it! 

Photos here: 
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gxyge7g0szgi73d/AAB0Tj7gWolbz88sjMlySE1ia?dl=0 


Email if you have trouble viewing the photos.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com 
@CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)

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[RBW] Re: Problem with Roadinis?

[Alan H]

>
> I talked to Vince at Riv again today. So apparently the issue is that the 
> bike was designed with the bridge as far away as possible to max out the 57 
> mm brakes. Unfortunately the bridge was made with the bridge 1 mm too far 
> out so that the pads won't quite clear the tire without filing out the hole 
> a bit (like Patrick mentioned doing on his custom). 
>

Based on the feedback I got here and from Vince and from carefully 
considering what I really want, I've opted to just wait until the in-spec 
frames are delivered in November or December. I'm lucky to have a Clem and 
a Homer to ride in the mean time so I'll wait for the road bike that I 
really want rather than settle for something just because I can get it now.

Thanks to you all for helping me work through this and from helping me not 
make the decision I would regret!

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52-cm Clem-L

[Alan H]

Okay Folks, after 10 days and a decent amount of interest I still haven't 
found a buyer for the 52 Clem-L so I'll drop the price to $800. Again, 
complete build minus a saddle. Hit me up with a PM if you're interested.



On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 8:30:49 PM UTC-7, Alan H wrote:
>
> Okay folks, here is a link to pictures of the bike.
>
> 52cm Clem-L 
> 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 12:56:26 PM UTC-7, Alan H wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I need to sell my wife's Clem-L. Size 52 in the greenish-bluish-tealish 
>> color from a couple of years back. It has the curved seat stays. 
>>
>> Bought it for her because I thought she'd appreciate the greater 
>> stability associated with the long wheelbase. I was wrong, she doesn't like 
>> the overall largeness of the frame. On the other hand she loves my 45cm 
>> Clem-H. Go figure.
>>
>> The bike has less than 100 miles on it. Stock build except for Ergon GC1 
>> grips, a Greenfield kickstand with boot, and no saddle (the stock saddle 
>> was truly horrific and my wife wants to keep the Brooks C17S that's on 
>> there now). I'm asking $900. Send me a message if you're interested.
>>
>> I'm located in Orange County, CA and I would prefer a local sale but I'd 
>> be willing to arrange shipping if necessary. 
>>
>> Thanks for reading,
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> p.s. - I'll try to post some pics tonight. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Problem with Roadinis?

[Joe Bernard]

It's worth the wait, Alan. Orange Roadinis RULE! 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/m5CBYUsrzVVfGrYWA

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[RBW] Re: Problem with Roadinis?

[tc]

Alan, I'm glad you've decided to wait, though I understand your 
frustration.  The Roadini is such a nice bike, and worth the wait.  No one 
here (who has actually ridden one) will tell you otherwise!

If it makes you feel any better, I ordered mine in April and didn't get it 
until August.  What took so long?  Well, I had a custom paint job done, 
and, the original water-based decals basically eroded when clear coat was 
applied, so I had to wait until the non-water-based decal vendor shipped 
them.  I had 2 other bikes to ride, so my frustration was minimized.

I look fwd to your pictures :)

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Billie Bar vs. Jones Loop H-Bar

[tc]

If considering any Jones bar (31.8 clamp dia), you may also consider the Nitto 
UI-12 quill stem on ebay 
.
  
That bar (and the Billie, for that matter) allow for quite a bit of 
torque.  To counteract that torque, the Nitto UI-12 has a 4-bolt clamp.  
Nice looking, and I could've stood on the Jones bar I had on my Clem and 
not moved it.  Note it does not have the height of a Tallux nor Technomic.  
You can get the UI-12 on eBay in various stem reach lengths (currently 60 - 
120mm).

Tom

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Lum Gim Fong]

True, but tires and wheel size/makes made no diff, in my experience between the 
bike models. 
(GB30,42/Compass28,32, 38, 42/Pasela/Swifty/Rumpkin/Marathons). Whole spectrum 
tried. Alleged fastest and alleged slowest tires made.  650b/700c. Twin 
Holla’/GB/Pacenti/Synergy/A23/CR18/, LX/VO,Velocity/105, Sapim/DTSwiss/Wheelman 
wheelsets.

Each bike model retained its innate ride characteristics no matter what I used, 
though suppler tires helped them each along individually.  All my Rivs had 
Rivish Nitto/Sugino builds, except my 55 Bleriot was Ultegra’d out. Still rode 
like my heavier 53 Nitto/Sugino Bleriot. Sam rides like Bleriot. Ram a step 
above. Roadeo a leap above them all.

Roadeo in a different efficiency/speed class than my other 4 rivs.

Regardless of tire model, I found that a Bleriot still rides like a Bleriot; 
Sam like a Sam; a Ram like a Ram, etc. Roadeo a step above in ease of movin on 
down the road.

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Joe Bernard]

I think what you get with a Roadeo in the 55-under sizes is basically a 
production version of Mark Abele's custom road bikes. He's a light, fast guy 
and it's but to work for him. I want one! 

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[RBW] cliffhanger rims and canti brakes

[dirtp]

Hi, everyone, I'm building a Joe Appaloosa and I'm thinking about buying 
some Cliffhanger rims for it, but I've heard that some people have had 
problems with wide rims and cantis. I've seen several Joes on-line with 
Cliffhangers and V-brakes, though. Does anyone have any experience with 
Cliffhangers and cantis? 

Thanks very much!

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