Keep in mind that these tubes are OS, so the 8/5/8 will flex similarly to a 
9/6/9, and the 6/4.5 would translate roughly to a 7/5/7 in terms of 
measurable flexing properties. It of course matters more when you are 
comparing Rivs to vintage standard tubing steels like 531, Columbus SL, 
Ishiwata 022 and Tange Prestige.

I kind of get the planing thing, but I'm not convinced that tubing of the 
main triangle is the main reason a bike will feel good. Tires as we know 
makes a big difference, as do lots of other factors that add up. Bottom 
line for me these days is, I'm pretty easy to pleasy.

On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 9:13:13 AM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> I guess the thinner wall tubing (6/4/6 DT/TT) , shorter chainstays, and 
> hand trimmed HT lugs?
> The early ones had the trimmed HT lugs, iirc. You can see the points cut 
> off.
> Not that that would really make any difference, I don't think.
> From a Grant interview we know that the Roadeo  tubing is: ("Mix of 
> Reynolds 725 and TrueTemp OX Plat. As thin as I/Grant could stand to go. 
> (0.65 butts in the tt and dt, with 0.45 bellies")
> I weigh 146lbs. Have weighed from there up to 178 on my other four 
> previous 8/5/8 Rivs that rode great but sometimes on hills felt as if I 
> could not get out of my own way on the 8/5/8's, regardless of tire types.
>
> So maybe the lighter tubing of the Roadeo behaves better for my weight 
> class? Maybe 8/5/8 is more cooperative for people in the 175+lb. range like 
> a 6/4/6 would be for people below 175? Just speculating. But I have owned 
> three 8/5/8 Rivs and the Ram was best at climbing and had lighter tubing 
> rear triangle than Sam and Bleriots I had. But it still would bog down on 
> hills but not as bad as the Bleriots and Sam did for me. Though I have 
> loved riding them all.
>
>
>
>

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