RDC and voice over
Hi Folks, I've been helpping a workmate today setup Remote desktop connection between a mac, running SL and a pc running xp pro. We were playing with a program called RDC which is made by Microsoft by the looks of it and runs on the mac platform.and works just like windows RDP (remote desktop ) I wondered if anyone had tried using this before with VO or crazy thought, if it would be possible to use this with jaws or even System access? Rather than having a VM fusion machine of xp I wondered if it's possible to use RDC as a connection to an xp or vista machine. Has anyone tried using this RDC program for the mac before? And if so, how successful is it, or was it? Cheers Simon F -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
rdc
HEllo, The microsoft rdc client is listed on the accessibility website. I just downloaded the newest version and will try it with a sighted person hopefully soon. I am not sure if he would have to install a jaws demo for example for it to work. Greetings, Anouk, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: unison
If you e-mail him, he will respond. I've been bugging him on/off about adding support for html. THis is the only thing that limits me from effectively using Unison. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:47 AM, anouk radix wrote: > Hello, I tried unison yesterday with a sighted friend (via teamviewer) and we > discovered that if the favourites group list owuld be made accessible then > the rest of the program that I would want to use would be as well, meaning > the headers list of a certain group. > Greetings, Anouk, > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: running mac sl on a pc?
The Mac OS cannot be easily run on a PC, even under a VM from my understanding. It is also in violation of the ULA and illegal to do so. If he wants to try it out, he should buy you dinner and earn a little time trying it out on your machine. :) Even if he did manage to get it running on a PC, he may not be very satisfied since there are a number of hardware issues that have to be dealt with. On Nov 30, 2009, at 2:47 AM, anouk radix wrote: > Hello, A sighted friend of mine hwo has a lot to do with blindness related > technologies is interested in trying mac os x sl on his pc. He does not want > to buy a mac at this time but he does want to try mac +voicover at home. I > was dwodnering if it is possible to either: > 1. Run mac os x sl virtualy next to windows with for example vmware (i think > this would be the easiest way because you dont need normal drivers). > 2. run mac os x natively on a pc (i suppose thias would be more difficult > because mac is only written for a few specefic configurations). > Greetings, Anouk, > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: unison
Hello, yeah i did email him already. If he would just make that group list accessible, unison accessibility as a whole would really improve a great deal. Greetings, Anouk, On Nov 30, 2009, at 11:37 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > If you e-mail him, he will respond. I've been bugging him on/off about adding > support for html. THis is the only thing that limits me from effectively > using Unison. > On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:47 AM, anouk radix wrote: > >> Hello, I tried unison yesterday with a sighted friend (via teamviewer) and >> we discovered that if the favourites group list owuld be made accessible >> then the rest of the program that I would want to use would be as well, >> meaning the headers list of a certain group. >> Greetings, Anouk, >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: running mac sl on a pc?
Hi Scott, yes I know its illegal but thats his problem not mine. I also heard about the hackintosh project which would allow you to run os x natively on a pc (there is even a podcast about it on blindcooltech) but it does not seemto be ideal and thats why I wondered if it cant be done vertually. Greetings, Anouk, On Nov 30, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > The Mac OS cannot be easily run on a PC, even under a VM from my > understanding. It is also in violation of the ULA and illegal to do so. If he > wants to try it out, he should buy you dinner and earn a little time trying > it out on your machine. :) Even if he did manage to get it running on a PC, > he may not be very satisfied since there are a number of hardware issues that > have to be dealt with. > On Nov 30, 2009, at 2:47 AM, anouk radix wrote: > >> Hello, A sighted friend of mine hwo has a lot to do with blindness related >> technologies is interested in trying mac os x sl on his pc. He does not want >> to buy a mac at this time but he does want to try mac +voicover at home. I >> was dwodnering if it is possible to either: >> 1. Run mac os x sl virtualy next to windows with for example vmware (i think >> this would be the easiest way because you dont need normal drivers). >> 2. run mac os x natively on a pc (i suppose thias would be more difficult >> because mac is only written for a few specefic configurations). >> Greetings, Anouk, >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: unison
Agreed, I wish he would. In fact he said he would do this and that, but he had other issues for the next version. Yeah, well I think in the end I probably wasted my money because I am pretty certain a new version isn't coming out any time soon and I seriously doubt he will do anything to address the issues. I mean I've only been asking nicely on and off for nearly a year and I get the same response. So, that doesn't really give me much hope and I really don't want to talk bad about the guy or anything since he does have some very nice products, but maybe Unison isn't his focus. On Nov 30, 2009, at 5:41 AM, anouk radix wrote: > Hello, yeah i did email him already. If he would just make that group list > accessible, unison accessibility as a whole would really improve a great deal. > Greetings, Anouk, > On Nov 30, 2009, at 11:37 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> If you e-mail him, he will respond. I've been bugging him on/off about >> adding support for html. THis is the only thing that limits me from >> effectively using Unison. >> On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:47 AM, anouk radix wrote: >> >>> Hello, I tried unison yesterday with a sighted friend (via teamviewer) and >>> we discovered that if the favourites group list owuld be made accessible >>> then the rest of the program that I would want to use would be as well, >>> meaning the headers list of a certain group. >>> Greetings, Anouk, >>> >>> -- >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
The problem, in the US at least, isn't the actual accessibility of any of the solutions but, rather, how entrenched the products and sales people have become in the culture of said agencies. FS has held a big lead for a long time and virtually every AT trainer in the US knows at least one FS salesperson personally - something entirely out of the reach of their competitors. FS can also offer bundle deals that include JAWS, MAGic, braille displays, embossers, CCTV, PAC Mate, etc. The one stop shopping provides a number of conveniences for the people making the purchasing decisions: namely, the total price of the bundle but, more so, the single point of contact for anything that goes wrong with their blind/low vision products. On Windows, we have a terrific example of how "competition" has failed miserably in this product category. Two years ago this coming January, Serotek announced its System Access To Go (SATOGO) product that any user could employ without cost from any computer attached to the Internet. At the same time, they launched their new version of the full System Access at around $300, $700-800 less than JAWS and Window-Eyes. Last year at ATIA, they announced the "death of the SMA" and promised that all upgrades will always come at no cost to the consumers - saving another $250 every couple of years from the more popular screen access utilities. Using a decent computer one can get at Best Buy with any of the System Access solutions provides a really good platform at a really excellent price point. SA also tends to lead the Windows screen reader field being the first to run on 64-bit versions of Windows, being the only that provides access to the Vista and W7 dictation software, being the first to embrace Aria and web 2.0 application support (JAWS has leap frogged them in comprehensive but I'll wager that SA will catch up in the recent future) and SA has led in lots of other areas as well. So, in the Adam Smith/Milton Friedman definition of capitalism, a similar product at a lower price will cause the invisible hand of the market forces to "push" consumers to a much more affordable and also high quality product like SA. So many things have gone wrong in this niche , though, that it doesn't resemble a market that any of the capitalist theorists (Smith, Weber) or the modern small government, low regulation advocates (Friedman, Greenspan) would actually recognize as a "free" system. Some problems are where capitalism itself falls apart in the world of access technology. The reality of the problem in this space is that, as I mentioned yesterday, most organizations/agencies never go past JAWS in their evaluations so they hardly know that other Windows solutions exist, let alone Macintosh and GNU/Linux. Most consumers who come to such agencies have never heard of any of the screen access tools on any of the different platforms and are happy to get what they are given, which, of course, is JAWS. Scott is absolutely correct when he mentions a failure of socialism but not in the area of choice as the Europeans tend to have more options presented than we do in the US. The socialism fail comes from and is the source of the high prices of the AT products. I'm not sure if it's on an EU basis or country by country (things may have changed since I actually studied this problem) but the Europeans set a maximum price they will pay for AT and their regulations do not allow for said AT to be sold for less in other nations to avoid being ripped off by the publishers and manufacturers. The negative effect of this policy is that the Europeans maximum price is often considerably higher than that which natural market forces would find. This is less obvious in software as FS and others can make the claim that the Swedish version of their product is actually a different program and charge much more than they get for the ENglish version - if you have some spare time and are entirely bored, you can find the dealer web sites in a lot of different countries and see how JAWS is about twice the price in languages other than English or Spanish depending, of course, on exchange rates. But, if you take a look at braille displays, you will notice that nearly every manufacturer sells their products for approximately the same price for 40, 70 and 80 cell displays. This price is a few bucks less than the European maximum and, because braille hardware sales are much bigger in Europe than the rest of the world, it would be bad business and illegal in the EU to sell the devices for less in countries that don't provide a maximum. For the actual consumers in Europe, this policy works reasonably well as their health insurance pays for the products anyway and they get really nice stuff at no cost to themselves. Conversely, though, prices outside of Europe must be pegged to the prices charged in Europe so are unnaturally inflated pretty much everywh
Re: looking for an editor to be used for programming
I just tried using nano for a quick project on the mac, (pico actually) over a ssh connection, and when I tried to read previous lines the whole thing locked up. On Nov 29, 2009, at 10:46 PM, Mitchell Smith wrote: > MacVim is quite accessible with VoiceOver. > > You can also tweak it a little to make things like Python source code > editing that that little bit nicer. > > If you are looking for a fully featured IDE like Eclipse, then vim probably > isn't for you, on the other hand if you are wanting an editor for some > Python / PHP / shell scripting, then vim will fill those shoes quite nicely. > > Grab the latest snapshot from http://code.google.com/p/macvim/wiki/Snapshot > > > Once you've got it installed, search back through the archives for an email > from Yvonne Thomson with a subject of "Help with MacVim" which had some > useful settings to drop in your .vimrc config file to get you started. > > I hope this helps. > > - Original Message - > From: "Ryan Mann" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:37 AM > Subject: Re: looking for an editor to be used for programming > > > Why would you even need to download Macvim? On my mac, vim is already in > /usr/bin/vim. I don't know how accessible it is since vi and vim have > always seemed weird to me. In my Linux days, I used pico or nano. > > On Nov 29, 2009, at 7:09 PM, James & Nash wrote: > >> What code are you wanting to edit? You can get Mac Vim from Google. >> >> TC >> >> James >> On 29 Nov 2009, at 23:35, Tyler Littlefield wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> I'm still looking for a good editor I can use for coding. I was using an >>> editor on a vm in windows, but there are issues reading that with jaws, >>> it notices lins as blank more than they really are, and it's not really >>> reading like it should. I'd really like to find something that would work >>> on the mac and allow me to easily edit code. >>> Thanks, >>> >>> -- >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
Chris, very good points and I have to agree with your observations. On Nov 30, 2009, at 7:31 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: > The problem, in the US at least, isn't the actual accessibility of any of > the solutions but, rather, how entrenched the products and sales people have > become in the culture of said agencies. FS has held a big lead for a long > time and virtually every AT trainer in the US knows at least one FS > salesperson personally - something entirely out of the reach of their > competitors. > > FS can also offer bundle deals that include JAWS, MAGic, braille displays, > embossers, CCTV, PAC Mate, etc. The one stop shopping provides a number of > conveniences for the people making the purchasing decisions: namely, the > total price of the bundle but, more so, the single point of contact for > anything that goes wrong with their blind/low vision products. > > On Windows, we have a terrific example of how "competition" has failed > miserably in this product category. Two years ago this coming January, > Serotek announced its System Access To Go (SATOGO) product that any user > could employ without cost from any computer attached to the Internet. At the > same time, they launched their new version of the full System Access at > around $300, $700-800 less than JAWS and Window-Eyes. Last year at ATIA, > they announced the "death of the SMA" and promised that all upgrades will > always come at no cost to the consumers - saving another $250 every couple of > years from the more popular screen access utilities. > > Using a decent computer one can get at Best Buy with any of the System Access > solutions provides a really good platform at a really excellent price point. > SA also tends to lead the Windows screen reader field being the first to run > on 64-bit versions of Windows, being the only that provides access to the > Vista and W7 dictation software, being the first to embrace Aria and web 2.0 > application support (JAWS has leap frogged them in comprehensive but I'll > wager that SA will catch up in the recent future) and SA has led in lots of > other areas as well. > > So, in the Adam Smith/Milton Friedman definition of capitalism, a similar > product at a lower price will cause the invisible hand of the market forces > to "push" consumers to a much more affordable and also high quality product > like SA. > > So many things have gone wrong in this niche , though, that it doesn't > resemble a market that any of the capitalist theorists (Smith, Weber) or the > modern small government, low regulation advocates (Friedman, Greenspan) would > actually recognize as a "free" system. > > Some problems are where capitalism itself falls apart in the world of access > technology. The reality of the problem in this space is that, as I mentioned > yesterday, most organizations/agencies never go past JAWS in their > evaluations so they hardly know that other Windows solutions exist, let alone > Macintosh and GNU/Linux. Most consumers who come to such agencies have never > heard of any of the screen access tools on any of the different platforms and > are happy to get what they are given, which, of course, is JAWS. > > Scott is absolutely correct when he mentions a failure of socialism but not > in the area of choice as the Europeans tend to have more options presented > than we do in the US. The socialism fail comes from and is the source of the > high prices of the AT products. I'm not sure if it's on an EU basis or > country by country (things may have changed since I actually studied this > problem) but the Europeans set a maximum price they will pay for AT and their > regulations do not allow for said AT to be sold for less in other nations to > avoid being ripped off by the publishers and manufacturers. The negative > effect of this policy is that the Europeans maximum price is often > considerably higher than that which natural market forces would find. > > This is less obvious in software as FS and others can make the claim that the > Swedish version of their product is actually a different program and charge > much more than they get for the ENglish version - if you have some spare time > and are entirely bored, you can find the dealer web sites in a lot of > different countries and see how JAWS is about twice the price in languages > other than English or Spanish depending, of course, on exchange rates. > > But, if you take a look at braille displays, you will notice that nearly > every manufacturer sells their products for approximately the same price for > 40, 70 and 80 cell displays. This price is a few bucks less than the > European maximum and, because braille hardware sales are much bigger in > Europe than the rest of the world, it would be bad business and illegal in > the EU to sell the devices for less in countries that don't provide a maximum. > > For the actual consumers in Europe, this policy work
Re: unison
Hello, he told me recently too that there would be a new version soon. Its a real pity since unison is the only usenet client that works on sl I think. Hogwasher is even costlier and I hear it has not been updated in ages. I must say htough, I bought transmit, also from panic and I asked them a question via the email address they provide but I never got an answer. So it seemt that their support on more then just one product isnt all that... Greetings, Anouk, On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > Agreed, I wish he would. In fact he said he would do this and that, but he > had other issues for the next version. Yeah, well I think in the end I > probably wasted my money because I am pretty certain a new version isn't > coming out any time soon and I seriously doubt he will do anything to address > the issues. I mean I've only been asking nicely on and off for nearly a year > and I get the same response. So, that doesn't really give me much hope and I > really don't want to talk bad about the guy or anything since he does have > some very nice products, but maybe Unison isn't his focus. > On Nov 30, 2009, at 5:41 AM, anouk radix wrote: > >> Hello, yeah i did email him already. If he would just make that group list >> accessible, unison accessibility as a whole would really improve a great >> deal. >> Greetings, Anouk, >> On Nov 30, 2009, at 11:37 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> If you e-mail him, he will respond. I've been bugging him on/off about >>> adding support for html. THis is the only thing that limits me from >>> effectively using Unison. >>> On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:47 AM, anouk radix wrote: >>> Hello, I tried unison yesterday with a sighted friend (via teamviewer) and we discovered that if the favourites group list owuld be made accessible then the rest of the program that I would want to use would be as well, meaning the headers list of a certain group. Greetings, Anouk, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
auto complete
hi i note that when typing in the address bar of safari, you can see a table in that dialogue of the auto complete entries -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
iphone
I've been playing with the iphone in the apple store and the learning curve seems pretty signifigant but manageable. However, with a moderately noisy environment I had real difficulty hearing the screen reader. With some experimentation I learned that it has to be speaking in order to change the volume but set to max I couldn't hear well enough to be functional. I'm no longer a kid so fearing hearing loss I got to of the young kids working in the store to listen with me and they agreed they couldn't hear it either. I tested the ear piece but this didn't really help. Has anyone else encountered this issue? Have you found a solution or is this something people are simply living with? Thanx, John Carty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iphone
Agreed a noisy environment makes listening difficult, but to be honest the audio quality is much better than the Motorola Q I was using. An earpiece is really the best solution. Keep in mind the volume of the internal speaker will be different from the volume of the earpiece you plug in to the phone. YOu can set them independently actually. On Nov 30, 2009, at 11:09 AM, John W. Carty wrote: > I've been playing with the iphone in the apple store and the learning curve > seems pretty signifigant but manageable. > > However, with a moderately noisy environment I had real difficulty hearing > the screen reader. > > With some experimentation I learned that it has to be speaking in order to > change the volume but set to max I couldn't hear well enough to be functional. > > I'm no longer a kid so fearing hearing loss I got to of the young kids > working in the store to listen with me and they agreed they couldn't hear it > either. > > I tested the ear piece but this didn't really help. > > Has anyone else encountered this issue? > > Have you found a solution or is this something people are simply living with? > > Thanx, > > John Carty > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email > tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iphone
I also wish they would fix the volume issue when in noisy places, but for now I deal with it. The vibrate is good enough that if I'm in a noisy place I still feel my phone and I can then check the call once I stick the head phone in my ear. On 2009-11-30, at 8:09 AM, John W. Carty wrote: > I've been playing with the iphone in the apple store and the learning curve > seems pretty signifigant but manageable. > > However, with a moderately noisy environment I had real difficulty hearing > the screen reader. > > With some experimentation I learned that it has to be speaking in order to > change the volume but set to max I couldn't hear well enough to be functional. > > I'm no longer a kid so fearing hearing loss I got to of the young kids > working in the store to listen with me and they agreed they couldn't hear it > either. > > I tested the ear piece but this didn't really help. > > Has anyone else encountered this issue? > > Have you found a solution or is this something people are simply living with? > > Thanx, > > John Carty > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
gI think you've hit it right on the head--the blind are removed from the capitalist marketplace "for their own good." If we abolish the agencies, a lot of blind people would be left like fish flopping on the floor of a boat--having never been taught the principles nor given the power to compete, having been sheltered under the umbrellas of the agencies and special dispensations and charities, they have no clue what's out there, that it could work for them for less, that they could empower themselves instead of waiting for someone to give it to them. This is only part of my rant on why we need to completely reform the way blind people get access to technology. Having said that, I'm on the verge of accepting a training position with one such agency and will teach any and all of the products offered by the umbrella companies, so I guess I'm a hypocrite--but I'm also hungry and unemployed. That said, I recently built, from a junked PC desktop and various scrounged parts, and using SATOGO and an old version of XP, a functional computer for a blind friend; with it, he will then be able to claw himself up by his own shoelaces to a point where he can get a Mac or a better PC or a netbook or something--ut will he be able to afford Jaws? SaToGo is great, but you can't do everything with it-- yet. NVDA is open source, and if he teaches himself to script it, it's a;also an option--but it seems to me that if the agencies didn't exist, the blind would shape up and stop whining in no time. I'm one of those who kept saying, as the economy was bottoming out and programs were being cut left and right, that the various charities and agencies for the blind were going to be the first on the chopping block--if a worst collapse happens, as I feel it inevitably will, I think this *WILL* be the case--and what will the dependent blind do then I, too, got a lot of my equipment from agencies--because they're convenient and easy, once you know how to play the game; but that doesn't make it sound future planning, or even honorable. Okay, rant over for now... Mark BurningHawk Baxter Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iphone
Just to offer a different perspective, I don't like messing with headphones, so I don't. Though it is true that sometimes I end up holding the phone pretty close to my ear, if the environment is really noisy, most of the time I have gotten used to the volume, and usually find I can work the phone in noisy places without too much difficulty. Best, Donna On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:34 PM, May McDonald wrote: > I also wish they would fix the volume issue when in noisy places, > but for now I deal with it. The vibrate is good enough that if I'm > in a noisy place I still feel my phone and I can then check the call > once I stick the head phone in my ear. > On 2009-11-30, at 8:09 AM, John W. Carty wrote: > >> I've been playing with the iphone in the apple store and the >> learning curve seems pretty signifigant but manageable. >> >> However, with a moderately noisy environment I had real difficulty >> hearing the screen reader. >> >> With some experimentation I learned that it has to be speaking in >> order to change the volume but set to max I couldn't hear well >> enough to be functional. >> >> I'm no longer a kid so fearing hearing loss I got to of the young >> kids working in the store to listen with me and they agreed they >> couldn't hear it either. >> >> I tested the ear piece but this didn't really help. >> >> Has anyone else encountered this issue? >> >> Have you found a solution or is this something people are simply >> living with? >> >> Thanx, >> >> John Carty >> >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en >> . > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en > . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iphone
Hi, I can easily hear it, but that was after I asked them to take me to an office with the iPhone. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Nov 30, 2009, at 5:09 PM, John W. Carty wrote: > I've been playing with the iphone in the apple store and the learning curve > seems pretty signifigant but manageable. > > However, with a moderately noisy environment I had real difficulty hearing > the screen reader. > > With some experimentation I learned that it has to be speaking in order to > change the volume but set to max I couldn't hear well enough to be functional. > > I'm no longer a kid so fearing hearing loss I got to of the young kids > working in the store to listen with me and they agreed they couldn't hear it > either. > > I tested the ear piece but this didn't really help. > > Has anyone else encountered this issue? > > Have you found a solution or is this something people are simply living with? > > Thanx, > > John Carty > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email > tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iphone
Hi, How would they fix that? Short of telling everyone to shut up. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Nov 30, 2009, at 6:34 PM, May McDonald wrote: > I also wish they would fix the volume issue when in noisy places, but for now > I deal with it. The vibrate is good enough that if I'm in a noisy place I > still feel my phone and I can then check the call once I stick the head phone > in my ear. > On 2009-11-30, at 8:09 AM, John W. Carty wrote: > >> I've been playing with the iphone in the apple store and the learning curve >> seems pretty signifigant but manageable. >> >> However, with a moderately noisy environment I had real difficulty hearing >> the screen reader. >> >> With some experimentation I learned that it has to be speaking in order to >> change the volume but set to max I couldn't hear well enough to be >> functional. >> >> I'm no longer a kid so fearing hearing loss I got to of the young kids >> working in the store to listen with me and they agreed they couldn't hear it >> either. >> >> I tested the ear piece but this didn't really help. >> >> Has anyone else encountered this issue? >> >> Have you found a solution or is this something people are simply living with? >> >> Thanx, >> >> John Carty >> >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iphone
Easy, by making so that you can make the volume louder when in noisy places and that it doesn't get all distorted. On 2009-11-30, at 9:47 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > How would they fix that? Short of telling everyone to shut up. > > Regards, > Nic > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 6:34 PM, May McDonald wrote: > >> I also wish they would fix the volume issue when in noisy places, but for >> now I deal with it. The vibrate is good enough that if I'm in a noisy place >> I still feel my phone and I can then check the call once I stick the head >> phone in my ear. >> On 2009-11-30, at 8:09 AM, John W. Carty wrote: >> >>> I've been playing with the iphone in the apple store and the learning curve >>> seems pretty signifigant but manageable. >>> >>> However, with a moderately noisy environment I had real difficulty hearing >>> the screen reader. >>> >>> With some experimentation I learned that it has to be speaking in order to >>> change the volume but set to max I couldn't hear well enough to be >>> functional. >>> >>> I'm no longer a kid so fearing hearing loss I got to of the young kids >>> working in the store to listen with me and they agreed they couldn't hear >>> it either. >>> >>> I tested the ear piece but this didn't really help. >>> >>> Has anyone else encountered this issue? >>> >>> Have you found a solution or is this something people are simply living >>> with? >>> >>> Thanx, >>> >>> John Carty >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iphone
Hi, You got a distorted voice? I didn't even get that. But then, I used an earpiece. Not sure if that makes a difference. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Nov 30, 2009, at 6:58 PM, May McDonald wrote: > Easy, by making so that you can make the volume louder when in noisy places > and that it doesn't get all distorted. > On 2009-11-30, at 9:47 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> How would they fix that? Short of telling everyone to shut up. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On Nov 30, 2009, at 6:34 PM, May McDonald wrote: >> >>> I also wish they would fix the volume issue when in noisy places, but for >>> now I deal with it. The vibrate is good enough that if I'm in a noisy >>> place I still feel my phone and I can then check the call once I stick the >>> head phone in my ear. >>> On 2009-11-30, at 8:09 AM, John W. Carty wrote: >>> I've been playing with the iphone in the apple store and the learning curve seems pretty signifigant but manageable. However, with a moderately noisy environment I had real difficulty hearing the screen reader. With some experimentation I learned that it has to be speaking in order to change the volume but set to max I couldn't hear well enough to be functional. I'm no longer a kid so fearing hearing loss I got to of the young kids working in the store to listen with me and they agreed they couldn't hear it either. I tested the ear piece but this didn't really help. Has anyone else encountered this issue? Have you found a solution or is this something people are simply living with? Thanx, John Carty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iphone
Yes, without headphones if you put it at the max it's very distorted. On 2009-11-30, at 10:20 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > You got a distorted voice? I didn't even get that. But then, I used an > earpiece. Not sure if that makes a difference. > > Regards, > Nic > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 6:58 PM, May McDonald wrote: > >> Easy, by making so that you can make the volume louder when in noisy places >> and that it doesn't get all distorted. >> On 2009-11-30, at 9:47 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> How would they fix that? Short of telling everyone to shut up. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> Skype: Kvalme >>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>> AIM: cincinster >>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>> Facebook Profile >>> My Twitter >>> >>> On Nov 30, 2009, at 6:34 PM, May McDonald wrote: >>> I also wish they would fix the volume issue when in noisy places, but for now I deal with it. The vibrate is good enough that if I'm in a noisy place I still feel my phone and I can then check the call once I stick the head phone in my ear. On 2009-11-30, at 8:09 AM, John W. Carty wrote: > I've been playing with the iphone in the apple store and the learning > curve seems pretty signifigant but manageable. > > However, with a moderately noisy environment I had real difficulty > hearing the screen reader. > > With some experimentation I learned that it has to be speaking in order > to change the volume but set to max I couldn't hear well enough to be > functional. > > I'm no longer a kid so fearing hearing loss I got to of the young kids > working in the store to listen with me and they agreed they couldn't hear > it either. > > I tested the ear piece but this didn't really help. > > Has anyone else encountered this issue? > > Have you found a solution or is this something people are simply living > with? > > Thanx, > > John Carty > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
I often share the frustration but I don't think the blame is entirely with the agencies. People blind from childhood are far more likely to be independent than are those of us who, like me, went blind later in life from RP or some other degenerative disorder or accident. The kids are "in the system" and have all sorts of training from age 3 and up (at least in our part of Florida, computer training starts at 3). We later in life people, though, have no idea where to turn to even ask questions. When my vision got really bad, I had a blazing 100 mhz PowerMac and wrote my own sort of screen reader for it. It wasn't good but it did the job. Then, a friend of the family who is also blind from RP and was the best man at my parent's wedding told me about Window-Eyes so I bought a Gateway laptop and WE and was off to the races. I saw on the HJ web site that they needed someone like me, I applied for the job, Ted sent me a copy of JAWS, they gave me a job, I dropped out of my graduate program at Harvard and moved to this god forsaken sandbar and the rest is history. I started my evolution onto the Macintosh about a year and a half ago and now rarely use Windows. I also use GNU/Linux distros but will be mostly in a nice, stable Ubuntu distro for a while. cdh On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:41 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > gI think you've hit it right on the head--the blind are removed from > the capitalist marketplace "for their own good." If we abolish the > agencies, a lot of blind people would be left like fish flopping on > the floor of a boat--having never been taught the principles nor given > the power to compete, having been sheltered under the umbrellas of the > agencies and special dispensations and charities, they have no clue > what's out there, that it could work for them for less, that they > could empower themselves instead of waiting for someone to give it to > them. This is only part of my rant on why we need to completely > reform the way blind people get access to technology. Having said > that, I'm on the verge of accepting a training position with one such > agency and will teach any and all of the products offered by the > umbrella companies, so I guess I'm a hypocrite--but I'm also hungry > and unemployed. That said, I recently built, from a junked PC desktop > and various scrounged parts, and using SATOGO and an old version of > XP, a functional computer for a blind friend; with it, he will then be > able to claw himself up by his own shoelaces to a point where he can > get a Mac or a better PC or a netbook or something--ut will he be able > to afford Jaws? SaToGo is great, but you can't do everything with it-- > yet. NVDA is open source, and if he teaches himself to script it, > it's a;also an option--but it seems to me that if the agencies didn't > exist, the blind would shape up and stop whining in no time. I'm one > of those who kept saying, as the economy was bottoming out and > programs were being cut left and right, that the various charities and > agencies for the blind were going to be the first on the chopping > block--if a worst collapse happens, as I feel it inevitably will, I > think this *WILL* be the case--and what will the dependent blind do > then I, too, got a lot of my equipment from agencies--because they're > convenient and easy, once you know how to play the game; but that > doesn't make it sound future planning, or even honorable. > > Okay, rant over for now... > > > Mark BurningHawk Baxter > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > My home page: > http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
You, and I to a lesser extent, and others are the exception. I was born blind, didn't go to any institutions for the blind, was raised as an only child, mostly in rural Vermont with minimal help from state agencies. Graduated from Dartmouth when I was 20, again with minimal if any help from agencies--didn't have my first experience with any agencies or institutions for the blind until I was 24, when the Carroll Center was offering a medical transcription course and I needed another, safer place to be. They kicked me out of their dorm, making me homeless, after six weeks there. Rehab flatly refused to support me and my music career in any way, and pressured me to go to the Carroll Center in the first place, then pressured me to get therapy and reform my ways when they made me homeless. I only started cautiously learning how to deal with the agencies in 2007, when it became clear that my failing hearing was going to force me out of the transcription career I'd had for 13+ years. I learned Jaws and Windows essentially by myself, as I've always been good with tech. Even now, while I may have learned a little about how to get along with the agencies and get what I need, it's a very uneasy truce at best./ I hope to be starting a job at another institution for the blind soon, but this time as a trainer, not a student, which hopefully will turn out better. You can see why I advocate for the abolition of such systems. They do not foster independence of thinking, and tend to punish outside-the-box people, in my experience. I do realize that people blinded later in life may not adapt as fully as those born blind; I'm learning that as I lose my hearing, so I have the privilege of seeing both sides of the coin, but think about what that implies-- that the pressure on those whose world has already been blasted by losing their sight will essentially become putty in the hands of high- pressure agencies who are set in their ways. The system seems to punish at both ends--if you're too independent, you're pressured to conform; if you're new to blindness, you're taught not to think for yourself. Hell, I didn't even do mobility orienting stuff until last year, when Rehab here in CA suggested I ry it, and I decided, in the interests of keeping the peace, what the heck; my mobility teacher quickly realized that there was very little, beyond the immediate rehearsing of directions, that she could improve upon what I and my dog were already going. Since I got Trekker, that's even more so; now that Trekker is temporarily broken, I truly feel the loss. :) I don't see how the agencies really have done me any good, other than in the purely material realm, and if I weren't as articulate as I am about stating my needs, and as forceful as I am about what I need, which most people are not, even that gain might be minimal, and even now the damage is significant. So, that's where my beef with the system(s) comes in; sorry if that makes it a personal grudge, but there you are then. Mark BurningHawk Baxter Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
My only valuable experience with an agency was learning the little bit of braille that I know at a local Lighthouse. I've had lots of friends work at such places and I believe they do as good as they can under constant budgetary pressures and I think these people do so with hope rather than my cynicism. If I had to even try computer training at an agency, I'd probably have had to kill the trainer for being far too slow for an old hacker like me. So, you're from Vermont, do you know Mike Richman? He is in his early seventies now but was the best man at my parent's wedding and has been active as a teacher and advocate in the Vermont Counsel for nearly 50 years now. cdh On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > You, and I to a lesser extent, and others are the exception. I was > born blind, didn't go to any institutions for the blind, was raised as > an only child, mostly in rural Vermont with minimal help from state > agencies. Graduated from Dartmouth when I was 20, again with minimal > if any help from agencies--didn't have my first experience with any > agencies or institutions for the blind until I was 24, when the > Carroll Center was offering a medical transcription course and I > needed another, safer place to be. They kicked me out of their dorm, > making me homeless, after six weeks there. Rehab flatly refused to > support me and my music career in any way, and pressured me to go to > the Carroll Center in the first place, then pressured me to get > therapy and reform my ways when they made me homeless. I only started > cautiously learning how to deal with the agencies in 2007, when it > became clear that my failing hearing was going to force me out of the > transcription career I'd had for 13+ years. I learned Jaws and > Windows essentially by myself, as I've always been good with tech. > Even now, while I may have learned a little about how to get along > with the agencies and get what I need, it's a very uneasy truce at > best./ I hope to be starting a job at another institution for the > blind soon, but this time as a trainer, not a student, which hopefully > will turn out better. You can see why I advocate for the abolition of > such systems. They do not foster independence of thinking, and tend > to punish outside-the-box people, in my experience. I do realize that > people blinded later in life may not adapt as fully as those born > blind; I'm learning that as I lose my hearing, so I have the privilege > of seeing both sides of the coin, but think about what that implies-- > that the pressure on those whose world has already been blasted by > losing their sight will essentially become putty in the hands of high- > pressure agencies who are set in their ways. The system seems to > punish at both ends--if you're too independent, you're pressured to > conform; if you're new to blindness, you're taught not to think for > yourself. Hell, I didn't even do mobility orienting stuff until last > year, when Rehab here in CA suggested I ry it, and I decided, in the > interests of keeping the peace, what the heck; my mobility teacher > quickly realized that there was very little, beyond the immediate > rehearsing of directions, that she could improve upon what I and my > dog were already going. Since I got Trekker, that's even more so; now > that Trekker is temporarily broken, I truly feel the loss. :) I don't > see how the agencies really have done me any good, other than in the > purely material realm, and if I weren't as articulate as I am about > stating my needs, and as forceful as I am about what I need, which > most people are not, even that gain might be minimal, and even now the > damage is significant. So, that's where my beef with the system(s) > comes in; sorry if that makes it a personal grudge, but there you are > then. > > > Mark BurningHawk Baxter > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > My home page: > http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
iPhone Question
Hi,I'm considering buying an iPhone some time after the first of the year. My question is this: Even though I have set the iPhone up to work on my Mac Mini, for example, but my wife wants to use it for herself, when she goes on business trips, can she use her PC settings in Windows, or do I have to set up a virtual Windows machine for her so that she can use it for her applications? Thanks. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
Hello chris, I haven't followed this thread, but I will put in my two cents where I've had experience. The main thing is the comment about the advantages of blind people from birth; while it may be easier to deal with, I've seen many people go blind at early ages (before teens) and in their teens and do fairly well. this is mainly dependent on where they're at. For example, many kids (born blind or not), still do not receive braille or large print materials to allow them to efficiently work within the public classes. Mainly in the smaller towns, but most families can't just get up and move to a bigger town to give their child an easier time of it. I've seen in many cases where blind or low vision students aren't even really able to affectively use their mobility skills they should have gained through school, and thus end up relying on sighted people. I don't want to start a pity party; just wanted to point out that the advantage isn't really with being born blind or not, as much as it is where you live, and of course the money factor plays a huge roll. On Nov 30, 2009, at 11:37 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: > I often share the frustration but I don't think the blame is entirely with > the agencies. People blind from childhood are far more likely to be > independent than are those of us who, like me, went blind later in life from > RP or some other degenerative disorder or accident. The kids are "in the > system" and have all sorts of training from age 3 and up (at least in our > part of Florida, computer training starts at 3). > > We later in life people, though, have no idea where to turn to even ask > questions. When my vision got really bad, I had a blazing 100 mhz PowerMac > and wrote my own sort of screen reader for it. It wasn't good but it did the > job. > > Then, a friend of the family who is also blind from RP and was the best man > at my parent's wedding told me about Window-Eyes so I bought a Gateway laptop > and WE and was off to the races. I saw on the HJ web site that they needed > someone like me, I applied for the job, Ted sent me a copy of JAWS, they gave > me a job, I dropped out of my graduate program at Harvard and moved to this > god forsaken sandbar and the rest is history. > > I started my evolution onto the Macintosh about a year and a half ago and now > rarely use Windows. I also use GNU/Linux distros but will be mostly in a > nice, stable Ubuntu distro for a while. > > cdh > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:41 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > >> gI think you've hit it right on the head--the blind are removed from >> the capitalist marketplace "for their own good." If we abolish the >> agencies, a lot of blind people would be left like fish flopping on >> the floor of a boat--having never been taught the principles nor given >> the power to compete, having been sheltered under the umbrellas of the >> agencies and special dispensations and charities, they have no clue >> what's out there, that it could work for them for less, that they >> could empower themselves instead of waiting for someone to give it to >> them. This is only part of my rant on why we need to completely >> reform the way blind people get access to technology. Having said >> that, I'm on the verge of accepting a training position with one such >> agency and will teach any and all of the products offered by the >> umbrella companies, so I guess I'm a hypocrite--but I'm also hungry >> and unemployed. That said, I recently built, from a junked PC desktop >> and various scrounged parts, and using SATOGO and an old version of >> XP, a functional computer for a blind friend; with it, he will then be >> able to claw himself up by his own shoelaces to a point where he can >> get a Mac or a better PC or a netbook or something--ut will he be able >> to afford Jaws? SaToGo is great, but you can't do everything with it-- >> yet. NVDA is open source, and if he teaches himself to script it, >> it's a;also an option--but it seems to me that if the agencies didn't >> exist, the blind would shape up and stop whining in no time. I'm one >> of those who kept saying, as the economy was bottoming out and >> programs were being cut left and right, that the various charities and >> agencies for the blind were going to be the first on the chopping >> block--if a worst collapse happens, as I feel it inevitably will, I >> think this *WILL* be the case--and what will the dependent blind do >> then I, too, got a lot of my equipment from agencies--because they're >> convenient and easy, once you know how to play the game; but that >> doesn't make it sound future planning, or even honorable. >> >> Okay, rant over for now... >> >> >> Mark BurningHawk Baxter >> >> Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >> MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com >> My home page: >> http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
Hi Mark: I certainly don't hold a grudge as everybody is entitled to their opinion. However, if it weren't for the Commission for the blind here in Oregon, there is no way that I could perform the job I was hired for. I had to have a programmer write JAWS scripts so that I could get to the buttons, read the drop down boxes that just had graphics for names, etc. I couldn't have afforded the thousands of dollars that has costed. He is working as we speak since the company I work for has changed software and everything we had done in the past regarding the original software is now null and void. I could have not afforded a Braille display at about 12,000 dollars. I can say with certainty that there are few if any companies that would provide any of these services. Unfortunately many government funded agencies, including the Oregon Commission for the blind do know little about Mac accessibility as they have contracts with certain vendors, and, face it,whether we like it or not, a majority of companies still use Windows based software. My husband and I both decided on our own to try the Mac, and though I've had some problems, I'm glad I did. I've learned it without an instructor. We nearly lost our Commission last summer so when I hear people talking about how we shouldn't have government agencies such as this, I have to disagree though they do have their problems. Yes, some people do rely on others to much, but not all of us do. Like you, I grew up in the public school system in a rural area. I was born blind also. I'll get off my soap box now. On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > You, and I to a lesser extent, and others are the exception. I was > born blind, didn't go to any institutions for the blind, was raised as > an only child, mostly in rural Vermont with minimal help from state > agencies. Graduated from Dartmouth when I was 20, again with minimal > if any help from agencies--didn't have my first experience with any > agencies or institutions for the blind until I was 24, when the > Carroll Center was offering a medical transcription course and I > needed another, safer place to be. They kicked me out of their dorm, > making me homeless, after six weeks there. Rehab flatly refused to > support me and my music career in any way, and pressured me to go to > the Carroll Center in the first place, then pressured me to get > therapy and reform my ways when they made me homeless. I only started > cautiously learning how to deal with the agencies in 2007, when it > became clear that my failing hearing was going to force me out of the > transcription career I'd had for 13+ years. I learned Jaws and > Windows essentially by myself, as I've always been good with tech. > Even now, while I may have learned a little about how to get along > with the agencies and get what I need, it's a very uneasy truce at > best./ I hope to be starting a job at another institution for the > blind soon, but this time as a trainer, not a student, which hopefully > will turn out better. You can see why I advocate for the abolition of > such systems. They do not foster independence of thinking, and tend > to punish outside-the-box people, in my experience. I do realize that > people blinded later in life may not adapt as fully as those born > blind; I'm learning that as I lose my hearing, so I have the privilege > of seeing both sides of the coin, but think about what that implies-- > that the pressure on those whose world has already been blasted by > losing their sight will essentially become putty in the hands of high- > pressure agencies who are set in their ways. The system seems to > punish at both ends--if you're too independent, you're pressured to > conform; if you're new to blindness, you're taught not to think for > yourself. Hell, I didn't even do mobility orienting stuff until last > year, when Rehab here in CA suggested I ry it, and I decided, in the > interests of keeping the peace, what the heck; my mobility teacher > quickly realized that there was very little, beyond the immediate > rehearsing of directions, that she could improve upon what I and my > dog were already going. Since I got Trekker, that's even more so; now > that Trekker is temporarily broken, I truly feel the loss. :) I don't > see how the agencies really have done me any good, other than in the > purely material realm, and if I weren't as articulate as I am about > stating my needs, and as forceful as I am about what I need, which > most people are not, even that gain might be minimal, and even now the > damage is significant. So, that's where my beef with the system(s) > comes in; sorry if that makes it a personal grudge, but there you are > then. > > > Mark BurningHawk Baxter > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > My home page: > http://MarkBur
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
Mark, Reading your message, I have a lot of respect for you, and those like you. The blind community is littered with people who would've given up, or who make these agencies their life and conform to them. I recently attended the youthslam convention NFB hosted this last summer, in the hopes that I would be able to get something out of it. While the nfb does do some good things, I think their main fault is in the conformance issues that they require from people. We often see things, though not as obvious as the report they did on the mac and voiceover in an attempt to at least somewhat hold people to the usage of jaws and windows. But, I seem to have veered off the track of my original thoughts, this wasn't ment to be an attack on the NFB. At the youthslam, they didn't really encourage independence quite as much as they encouraged conformance to their ideals; something that I'm not to big on. I had an issue with this for the main reason that the students attending this program were going to be taking these ideas home with them, and thus acting on them. One of the main things that struck me was the dorm leader for our dorm having a conversation with us. It started out with the idea that there is a theory that the sighted have more power over the blind because, the blind apparently submit and let that happen. While this could've gone in a good direction, the question of "how have the sighted had power over you," was asked, and it was turned in to a huge pity party as far as I was concerned. It wasn't as much the theory, as the way that the conversation went, as opposed to where it could've went. So, this all said. Good luck as an instructer. As an instructor, you will be able to leave people with a good impression and give them ideas and some sense of a goal. One of the people (Mike May), and I'm probably spelling that wrong stood out at me through the camp. On his first day, he talked about how he wasn't aloud to ski because of insurance purposes, I believe it was. So he worked around it and found a way to do what was said couldn't be done. That sort of impression and others while being in a session he taught were what stood out the most for me and those who had the ideas of independence. On Nov 30, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > You, and I to a lesser extent, and others are the exception. I was > born blind, didn't go to any institutions for the blind, was raised as > an only child, mostly in rural Vermont with minimal help from state > agencies. Graduated from Dartmouth when I was 20, again with minimal > if any help from agencies--didn't have my first experience with any > agencies or institutions for the blind until I was 24, when the > Carroll Center was offering a medical transcription course and I > needed another, safer place to be. They kicked me out of their dorm, > making me homeless, after six weeks there. Rehab flatly refused to > support me and my music career in any way, and pressured me to go to > the Carroll Center in the first place, then pressured me to get > therapy and reform my ways when they made me homeless. I only started > cautiously learning how to deal with the agencies in 2007, when it > became clear that my failing hearing was going to force me out of the > transcription career I'd had for 13+ years. I learned Jaws and > Windows essentially by myself, as I've always been good with tech. > Even now, while I may have learned a little about how to get along > with the agencies and get what I need, it's a very uneasy truce at > best./ I hope to be starting a job at another institution for the > blind soon, but this time as a trainer, not a student, which hopefully > will turn out better. You can see why I advocate for the abolition of > such systems. They do not foster independence of thinking, and tend > to punish outside-the-box people, in my experience. I do realize that > people blinded later in life may not adapt as fully as those born > blind; I'm learning that as I lose my hearing, so I have the privilege > of seeing both sides of the coin, but think about what that implies-- > that the pressure on those whose world has already been blasted by > losing their sight will essentially become putty in the hands of high- > pressure agencies who are set in their ways. The system seems to > punish at both ends--if you're too independent, you're pressured to > conform; if you're new to blindness, you're taught not to think for > yourself. Hell, I didn't even do mobility orienting stuff until last > year, when Rehab here in CA suggested I ry it, and I decided, in the > interests of keeping the peace, what the heck; my mobility teacher > quickly realized that there was very little, beyond the immediate > rehearsing of directions, that she could improve upon what I and my > dog were already going. Since I got Trekker, that's even more so; now
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
extra-Name doesn't sound familiar. When I got accepted to Dartmouth and started in 1986. I rarely went back because my parents and I didn't get along so well. I also found that training at the Carroll Center was far too slow for me, but the computer guy, Brian Charleston, recognized that and gave me extra training on the side when he could. When they kicked me out of the dorm, however, for being unorthodox (as far as I can tell), it didn't matter how good I was at computers when I was spending the right in a bus shelter with my dog and I wrapped in a blanket. Mark BurningHawk Baxter Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iPhone Question
No, you cannot have one iPhone and jump back and forth from mac mini to PC and then back to the mac. Every time you connect the iPhone to a machine the phone recognizes what is running and one must restore the iPhone and start over. So, if you connect to your mac mini load songs from your itunes library and then give the phone to your wife who connect it to a PC running vista for example will want to know whats going on and ask if you want to "restore" so your wife can load her own music. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Richie Gardenhire < richie.gardenh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi,I'm considering buying an iPhone some time after the first of the > year. My question is this: Even though I have set the iPhone up to > work on my Mac Mini, for example, but my wife wants to use it for > herself, when she goes on business trips, can she use her PC settings > in Windows, or do I have to set up a virtual Windows machine for her > so that she can use it for her applications? Thanks. Richie > Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- Check out our web site, www.giantdolphin.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
Hi, Carlene. You are a perfect example of my point. Generally put, they did not teach you to fish, they gave you some fish. Hell, I'm writing this on the Macbook DOR of California bought me; listening with the hearing aids they bought me... Maybe I'm a hypocrite, but I'm forced to use the funding options available to me because that's how the world works; I get that. It's not a solution to the problem, though, it's just putting off the problem and burying the head in the sand, or whatever I mean :) I suck at idioms. Let's suppose that the recession comes back in force. Banks fail, no one's got money, inflation hits the roof. The first thing on the chopping block will be that agency in Oregon, or CA, where we got our equipment. Now, the equipment's broken, or obsolete, or we need something new. What do we do? We still can't afford it, now there's no umbrella to hide under, survival is getting grim; who's going to baby-sit the blind when everyone's just trying to get by? The agencies are not at all the best solution, and may in the long run do more harm than good. That's all I meant; I meant no judgment of those who use the systems to get what they need--I'm one of them. I just don't feel very good about it at the end of the day...h Mark BurningHawk Baxter Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
The biggest way in which the sighted have power over the blind is just that; they teach the blind to pity themselves, to be dependent on the sighted and not upon themselves. Thank you for the kind words, by the way; I only hope I can earn them. :) I fall far short of my ideals in this respect, and am not too proud to admit it. I don't really like *ANY* organization, I'm sort of an anarchist and quite apolitical-- some might even say asocial--because I've never found an organization or group I could trust not to try and make my mind up for me or decide how I should be. This applies all across the board. I don't like blind people in groups much for just the reasons you cite. When I catch myself whining, I briskly slap myself and get on with life, because the quickest way we lose our power is by appearing pitiable. I am a firm advocate of solutions through superior strength (but not peace through superior firepower :) ), and that's how I try to practice. Some day, I hope to be strong enough to solve all my problems myself without the need to go at someone else's pace or kiss someone's ass or play anyone's games buy my own. Wish me luck getting there. :) Mark BurningHawk Baxter Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
You've got a point. I wish I could do all of this on my own. OCB has been willing to step in after my employment to help me, but I know that many organizations don't. They do sign over expensive equipment which you are then responsible for getting repaired regardless of your income. I don't like to be baby sat, don't get me wrong, but I'm glad I have some assistance. I think that many do need to assess what they would do without these organizations. You've got me thinking now. On Nov 30, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > Hi, Carlene. > > You are a perfect example of my point. Generally put, they did not > teach you to fish, they gave you some fish. Hell, I'm writing this on > the Macbook DOR of California bought me; listening with the hearing > aids they bought me... Maybe I'm a hypocrite, but I'm forced to use > the funding options available to me because that's how the world > works; I get that. It's not a solution to the problem, though, it's > just putting off the problem and burying the head in the sand, or > whatever I mean :) I suck at idioms. > > Let's suppose that the recession comes back in force. Banks fail, no > one's got money, inflation hits the roof. The first thing on the > chopping block will be that agency in Oregon, or CA, where we got our > equipment. Now, the equipment's broken, or obsolete, or we need > something new. What do we do? We still can't afford it, now there's > no umbrella to hide under, survival is getting grim; who's going to > baby-sit the blind when everyone's just trying to get by? The > agencies are not at all the best solution, and may in the long run do > more harm than good. That's all I meant; I meant no judgment of > those who use the systems to get what they need--I'm one of them. I > just don't feel very good about it at the end of the day...h > > > Mark BurningHawk Baxter > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > My home page: > http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iPhone Question
That's not true. It will ask if you want to merge your settings. The phone can be used with both systems. I did that for a while before I got rid of my pc. On 2009-11-30, at 11:52 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote: > No, you cannot have one iPhone and jump back and forth from mac mini to PC > and then back to the mac. Every time you connect the iPhone to a machine the > phone recognizes what is running and one must restore the iPhone and start > over. So, if you connect to your mac mini load songs from your itunes library > and then give the phone to your wife who connect it to a PC running vista for > example will want to know whats going on and ask if you want to "restore" so > your wife can load her own music. > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Richie Gardenhire > wrote: > Hi,I'm considering buying an iPhone some time after the first of the > year. My question is this: Even though I have set the iPhone up to > work on my Mac Mini, for example, but my wife wants to use it for > herself, when she goes on business trips, can she use her PC settings > in Windows, or do I have to set up a virtual Windows machine for her > so that she can use it for her applications? Thanks. Richie > Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > Check out our web site, www.giantdolphin.com > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iPhone Question
Thanks for answering my question. And I apologize for the typo when sending the aforementioned, above message earlier. I meant to send a copy to Macvisionaries. Sorry about the goof. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Nov 30, 2009, at 11:08 AM, May McDonald wrote: That's not true. It will ask if you want to merge your settings. The phone can be used with both systems. I did that for a while before I got rid of my pc. On 2009-11-30, at 11:52 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote: > No, you cannot have one iPhone and jump back and forth from mac mini > to PC and then back to the mac. Every time you connect the iPhone to > a machine the phone recognizes what is running and one must restore > the iPhone and start over. So, if you connect to your mac mini load > songs from your itunes library and then give the phone to your wife > who connect it to a PC running vista for example will want to know > whats going on and ask if you want to "restore" so your wife can > load her own music. > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Richie Gardenhire > > wrote: > Hi,I'm considering buying an iPhone some time after the first of the > year. My question is this: Even though I have set the iPhone up to > work on my Mac Mini, for example, but my wife wants to use it for > herself, when she goes on business trips, can she use her PC settings > in Windows, or do I have to set up a virtual Windows machine for her > so that she can use it for her applications? Thanks. Richie > Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en > . > > > > > > -- > Check out our web site, www.giantdolphin.com > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en > . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
And for this reason, I feel that many state agencies, (Alaska's, being one of them)will be cutting back services, in favor of other things and as Mark so eloquently pointed out, the elderly, the poor, and the disabled, will be hurt first. I know thisis a different subject line from what was originally intended, and I apologize for that, but I will say one more thing on this, and that is that I'm in favor of universal design so that blind people can walk into any store and purchase off-the-shelf software and get it working and we not be forced to be co-dependent on state agencies to purchase our stuff. I guess, in a way, I'm against state agencies for the reasons I stated above. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:32 AM, carlene knight wrote: Hi Mark: I certainly don't hold a grudge as everybody is entitled to their opinion. However, if it weren't for the Commission for the blind here in Oregon, there is no way that I could perform the job I was hired for. I had to have a programmer write JAWS scripts so that I could get to the buttons, read the drop down boxes that just had graphics for names, etc. I couldn't have afforded the thousands of dollars that has costed. He is working as we speak since the company I work for has changed software and everything we had done in the past regarding the original software is now null and void. I could have not afforded a Braille display at about 12,000 dollars. I can say with certainty that there are few if any companies that would provide any of these services. Unfortunately many government funded agencies, including the Oregon Commission for the blind do know little about Mac accessibility as they have contracts with certain vendors, and, face it,whether we like it or not, a majority of companies still use Windows based software. My husband and I both decided on our own to try the Mac, and though I've had some problems, I'm glad I did. I've learned it without an instructor. We nearly lost our Commission last summer so when I hear people talking about how we shouldn't have government agencies such as this, I have to disagree though they do have their problems. Yes, some people do rely on others to much, but not all of us do. Like you, I grew up in the public school system in a rural area. I was born blind also. I'll get off my soap box now. On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > You, and I to a lesser extent, and others are the exception. I was > born blind, didn't go to any institutions for the blind, was raised as > an only child, mostly in rural Vermont with minimal help from state > agencies. Graduated from Dartmouth when I was 20, again with minimal > if any help from agencies--didn't have my first experience with any > agencies or institutions for the blind until I was 24, when the > Carroll Center was offering a medical transcription course and I > needed another, safer place to be. They kicked me out of their dorm, > making me homeless, after six weeks there. Rehab flatly refused to > support me and my music career in any way, and pressured me to go to > the Carroll Center in the first place, then pressured me to get > therapy and reform my ways when they made me homeless. I only started > cautiously learning how to deal with the agencies in 2007, when it > became clear that my failing hearing was going to force me out of the > transcription career I'd had for 13+ years. I learned Jaws and > Windows essentially by myself, as I've always been good with tech. > Even now, while I may have learned a little about how to get along > with the agencies and get what I need, it's a very uneasy truce at > best./ I hope to be starting a job at another institution for the > blind soon, but this time as a trainer, not a student, which hopefully > will turn out better. You can see why I advocate for the abolition of > such systems. They do not foster independence of thinking, and tend > to punish outside-the-box people, in my experience. I do realize that > people blinded later in life may not adapt as fully as those born > blind; I'm learning that as I lose my hearing, so I have the privilege > of seeing both sides of the coin, but think about what that implies-- > that the pressure on those whose world has already been blasted by > losing their sight will essentially become putty in the hands of high- > pressure agencies who are set in their ways. The system seems to > punish at both ends--if you're too independent, you're pressured to > conform; if you're new to blindness, you're taught not to think for > yourself. Hell, I didn't even do mobility orienting stuff until last > year, when Rehab here in CA suggested I ry it, and I decided, in the > interests of keeping the peace, what the heck; my mobility teacher > quickly realized that there was very little, beyond the immediate > rehearsing of directions, that she could improve
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
I am flattered that I made you think; that's the highest of compliments, thank you. It seems to me that the system is bass- ackwards. Instead of saying "what do you need?" and gently showing you how you can assist yourself, in other words assisting you to not need assistance, they say "this is what you need and this is the assistance you will need to get it." It's like pulling a cart by putting the horse behind it. Then, when the horse dies, the cart's still there on the road and you've no idea which end you should be at... Or something. Wow. Mixed metaphors, sorry. :) When I wanted a music career in my 20's, and was doing club gigs a few times a week and making a name for myself in the Boston area, I asked Rehab in Mass. to help me go to Berkelee school of music. I had already applied and been accepted, but needed funds to attend. They said, literally, "We feel that a music career is too risky for you to get assistance; we'd rather you try medical transcription or something more proven..." etc. As a result, I did not go to Berkelee, did not have as much of a career as I could have. This is an example, admittedly a biased one, of how the assistance given to blind people is at the whim of the sighted and what they think is best; as long as there's a baby-sitter telling us what we need, how can we ever learn? At 40 I'm still behind in social skills, work skills, lots of basic stuff that I had to teach myself, or get reluctant sighted people to teach me, because I wasn't in control of the assistance I got... Mark BurningHawk Baxter Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
text Edit Busy?
Hi all, I was just working on a document in Text Edit. I went into the Font menu to try and change the font, and when I did, I started getting the message "Text Edit Busy", but the message would not go away, and I couldn't close the program. Has anyone else seen this? Is there anyway to get rid of it besides shutting off the computer? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: text Edit Busy?
I don't have an answer but in evaluating a mac for my future leap I've encountered applications busy msg. Is this related to limited ram? -Original Message- From: Donna Goodin [mailto:goodi...@msu.edu] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:48 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: text Edit Busy? Hi all, I was just working on a document in Text Edit. I went into the Font menu to try and change the font, and when I did, I started getting the message "Text Edit Busy", but the message would not go away, and I couldn't close the program. Has anyone else seen this? Is there anyway to get rid of it besides shutting off the computer? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
Well there ya go Mark, you said it and I couldn't agree more. I didn't have the agencies etc. since I don't think my folks really knew about them. I grew up in a sighted world so to speak and learned to get along and work with what I had. THe county I lived in provided the tools to get through school, but once I was unleashed on society, I had to figure out how to get my own equipment. I have been fortunate in that my employer will purchase the tools I need to get the job done and not because the law says so, they feel obligated to provide those tools as they do for any of their employees. Of course that is one advantage of working for the government agency I do, they really believe in their employees. Growing up though my folks pretty much figured I could manage despite the gray hairs I gave them from time to time. I think of course the other side of the issue is having support from your family and many don't have that or well intentioned family does the wrong things. I'm sure regardless, you are all the better for your experiences. I have seen the issue from both sides and agree the system is far from perfect and yes it obviously has produced some very successful folks. Well okay they gave them the tools for the most part, I'm not sure how to say it exactly, but maybe despite the issues, it's not a total failure if that makes any sense. On Nov 30, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > The biggest way in which the sighted have power over the blind is just > that; they teach the blind to pity themselves, to be dependent on the > sighted and not upon themselves. Thank you for the kind words, by the > way; I only hope I can earn them. :) I fall far short of my ideals in > this respect, and am not too proud to admit it. I don't really like > *ANY* organization, I'm sort of an anarchist and quite apolitical-- > some might even say asocial--because I've never found an organization > or group I could trust not to try and make my mind up for me or decide > how I should be. This applies all across the board. I don't like > blind people in groups much for just the reasons you cite. When I > catch myself whining, I briskly slap myself and get on with life, > because the quickest way we lose our power is by appearing pitiable. > I am a firm advocate of solutions through superior strength (but not > peace through superior firepower :) ), and that's how I try to > practice. Some day, I hope to be strong enough to solve all my > problems myself without the need to go at someone else's pace or kiss > someone's ass or play anyone's games buy my own. Wish me luck getting > there. :) > > > Mark BurningHawk Baxter > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > My home page: > http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
Unfortunately you have to be realistic though. I agree with you in a sense, but going into a store and buying JAWS or Window Eyes off of the shelf? That would be nice? that's one reason I like the Mac and accessories. The people in the Mac and Apple stores will likely not be trained for extensive use with Vo, but they should be able to make sure it works. Try going into a Best Buy and asking them if JFW works. We probably make up less than 10% of the population so it isn't going to happen. It would still be expensive, and that's why I needed the agency to buy it for me. Again don't get me wrong, in a perfect world that might happen, but we all know the world is far from perfect. I'm not trying to defend anybody necessarily, and I don't consider myself dependent because I need assistance from them. I got my own jobs, take care of myself, go where I need to go etc. A good organization helps people become independent. I agree that whenever possible, we should do for ourselves and not be too dependent on anybody, agencies included. On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: > And for this reason, I feel that many state agencies, (Alaska's, being > one of them)will be cutting back services, in favor of other things > and as Mark so eloquently pointed out, the elderly, the poor, and the > disabled, will be hurt first. I know thisis a different subject line > from what was originally intended, and I apologize for that, but I > will say one more thing on this, and that is that I'm in favor of > universal design so that blind people can walk into any store and > purchase off-the-shelf software and get it working and we not be > forced to be co-dependent on state agencies to purchase our stuff. I > guess, in a way, I'm against state agencies for the reasons I stated > above. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. > > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:32 AM, carlene knight wrote: > > Hi Mark: > > I certainly don't hold a grudge as everybody is entitled to their > opinion. However, if it weren't for the Commission for the blind here > in Oregon, there is no way that I could perform the job I was hired > for. I had to have a programmer write JAWS scripts so that I could > get to the buttons, read the drop down boxes that just had graphics > for names, etc. I couldn't have afforded the thousands of dollars that > has costed. He is working as we speak since the company I work for > has changed software and everything we had done in the past regarding > the original software is now null and void. I could have not afforded > a Braille display at about 12,000 dollars. I can say with certainty > that there are few if any companies that would provide any of these > services. Unfortunately many government funded agencies, including > the Oregon Commission for the blind do know little about Mac > accessibility as they have contracts with certain vendors, and, face > it,whether we like it or not, a majority of companies still use > Windows based software. My husband and I both decided on our own to > try the Mac, and though I've had some problems, I'm glad I did. I've > learned it without an instructor. We nearly lost our Commission last > summer so when I hear people talking about how we shouldn't have > government agencies such as this, I have to disagree though they do > have their problems. Yes, some people do rely on others to much, but > not all of us do. Like you, I grew up in the public school system in > a rural area. I was born blind also. I'll get off my soap box now. > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > >> You, and I to a lesser extent, and others are the exception. I was >> born blind, didn't go to any institutions for the blind, was raised as >> an only child, mostly in rural Vermont with minimal help from state >> agencies. Graduated from Dartmouth when I was 20, again with minimal >> if any help from agencies--didn't have my first experience with any >> agencies or institutions for the blind until I was 24, when the >> Carroll Center was offering a medical transcription course and I >> needed another, safer place to be. They kicked me out of their dorm, >> making me homeless, after six weeks there. Rehab flatly refused to >> support me and my music career in any way, and pressured me to go to >> the Carroll Center in the first place, then pressured me to get >> therapy and reform my ways when they made me homeless. I only started >> cautiously learning how to deal with the agencies in 2007, when it >> became clear that my failing hearing was going to force me out of the >> transcription career I'd had for 13+ years. I learned Jaws and >> Windows essentially by myself, as I've always been good with tech. >> Even now, while I may have learned a little about how to get along >> with the agencies and get what I need, it's a very uneasy truce at >> best./ I hope to b
spreadsheets
I'm looking to make the leap to a mac and currently I heavily use spreadsheets so can anyone who uses lots of spreadsheets that utilizes multi sheet references, formulas, functions, if logic, etc let me know how numbers performs with vo? Thanx, John Carty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: text Edit Busy?
I think it depends on the app. I get this in Safari when pages are loading, but it always goes away. This is the first time I've seen the Mac get "stuck" in busy mode. On Nov 30, 2009, at 3:46 PM, John W. Carty wrote: > I don't have an answer but in evaluating a mac for my future leap > I've encountered applications busy msg. > > Is this related to limited ram? > > -Original Message- > From: Donna Goodin [mailto:goodi...@msu.edu] > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:48 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: text Edit Busy? > > Hi all, > > I was just working on a document in Text Edit. I went into the Font > menu to try and change the font, and when I did, I started getting the > message "Text Edit Busy", but the message would not go away, and I > couldn't close the program. Has anyone else seen this? Is there > anyway to get rid of it besides shutting off the computer? > TIA, > Donna > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en > . > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en > . > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
And that is why I'm very supportive of what APple has done and will continue to do and I hope they do just that. On Nov 30, 2009, at 3:23 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: > And for this reason, I feel that many state agencies, (Alaska's, being > one of them)will be cutting back services, in favor of other things > and as Mark so eloquently pointed out, the elderly, the poor, and the > disabled, will be hurt first. I know thisis a different subject line > from what was originally intended, and I apologize for that, but I > will say one more thing on this, and that is that I'm in favor of > universal design so that blind people can walk into any store and > purchase off-the-shelf software and get it working and we not be > forced to be co-dependent on state agencies to purchase our stuff. I > guess, in a way, I'm against state agencies for the reasons I stated > above. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. > > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:32 AM, carlene knight wrote: > > Hi Mark: > > I certainly don't hold a grudge as everybody is entitled to their > opinion. However, if it weren't for the Commission for the blind here > in Oregon, there is no way that I could perform the job I was hired > for. I had to have a programmer write JAWS scripts so that I could > get to the buttons, read the drop down boxes that just had graphics > for names, etc. I couldn't have afforded the thousands of dollars that > has costed. He is working as we speak since the company I work for > has changed software and everything we had done in the past regarding > the original software is now null and void. I could have not afforded > a Braille display at about 12,000 dollars. I can say with certainty > that there are few if any companies that would provide any of these > services. Unfortunately many government funded agencies, including > the Oregon Commission for the blind do know little about Mac > accessibility as they have contracts with certain vendors, and, face > it,whether we like it or not, a majority of companies still use > Windows based software. My husband and I both decided on our own to > try the Mac, and though I've had some problems, I'm glad I did. I've > learned it without an instructor. We nearly lost our Commission last > summer so when I hear people talking about how we shouldn't have > government agencies such as this, I have to disagree though they do > have their problems. Yes, some people do rely on others to much, but > not all of us do. Like you, I grew up in the public school system in > a rural area. I was born blind also. I'll get off my soap box now. > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > >> You, and I to a lesser extent, and others are the exception. I was >> born blind, didn't go to any institutions for the blind, was raised as >> an only child, mostly in rural Vermont with minimal help from state >> agencies. Graduated from Dartmouth when I was 20, again with minimal >> if any help from agencies--didn't have my first experience with any >> agencies or institutions for the blind until I was 24, when the >> Carroll Center was offering a medical transcription course and I >> needed another, safer place to be. They kicked me out of their dorm, >> making me homeless, after six weeks there. Rehab flatly refused to >> support me and my music career in any way, and pressured me to go to >> the Carroll Center in the first place, then pressured me to get >> therapy and reform my ways when they made me homeless. I only started >> cautiously learning how to deal with the agencies in 2007, when it >> became clear that my failing hearing was going to force me out of the >> transcription career I'd had for 13+ years. I learned Jaws and >> Windows essentially by myself, as I've always been good with tech. >> Even now, while I may have learned a little about how to get along >> with the agencies and get what I need, it's a very uneasy truce at >> best./ I hope to be starting a job at another institution for the >> blind soon, but this time as a trainer, not a student, which hopefully >> will turn out better. You can see why I advocate for the abolition of >> such systems. They do not foster independence of thinking, and tend >> to punish outside-the-box people, in my experience. I do realize that >> people blinded later in life may not adapt as fully as those born >> blind; I'm learning that as I lose my hearing, so I have the privilege >> of seeing both sides of the coin, but think about what that implies-- >> that the pressure on those whose world has already been blasted by >> losing their sight will essentially become putty in the hands of high- >> pressure agencies who are set in their ways. The system seems to >> punish at both ends--if you're too independent, you're pressured to >> conform; if you're new to blindness, you're taught not to think for >> yourself. Hell, I didn't even do mobilit
Re: iphone
I'm not sure what can be done really. You are dealing with a very small, but clear speaker and a limited amount of horsepower to drive it. Honestly it's one of the better speakers I've heard, but once you crank the volume up, it will start to distort. On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:34 PM, May McDonald wrote: > I also wish they would fix the volume issue when in noisy places, but for now > I deal with it. The vibrate is good enough that if I'm in a noisy place I > still feel my phone and I can then check the call once I stick the head phone > in my ear. > On 2009-11-30, at 8:09 AM, John W. Carty wrote: > >> I've been playing with the iphone in the apple store and the learning curve >> seems pretty signifigant but manageable. >> >> However, with a moderately noisy environment I had real difficulty hearing >> the screen reader. >> >> With some experimentation I learned that it has to be speaking in order to >> change the volume but set to max I couldn't hear well enough to be >> functional. >> >> I'm no longer a kid so fearing hearing loss I got to of the young kids >> working in the store to listen with me and they agreed they couldn't hear it >> either. >> >> I tested the ear piece but this didn't really help. >> >> Has anyone else encountered this issue? >> >> Have you found a solution or is this something people are simply living with? >> >> Thanx, >> >> John Carty >> >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: text Edit Busy?
Hi Donna: Try pressing Command Option Escape all at once. A dialog should pop up asking you which program you want to quit.. Simply arrow to Text Edit which will probably say not responding and hit enter. The program has crashed. On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi all, > > I was just working on a document in Text Edit. I went into the Font > menu to try and change the font, and when I did, I started getting the > message "Text Edit Busy", but the message would not go away, and I > couldn't close the program. Has anyone else seen this? Is there > anyway to get rid of it besides shutting off the computer? > TIA, > Donna > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
As long as the blind define themselves as "disabled," they will have this problem. It's paradoxical, because as I said, I don't really like to be around lots of blind people all together in a group, and yet we, the blind people, need some sort of cohesive teaching / enabling power that will allow us to not be disabled any more. It's idealistic as hell to think that every single blind person can escape from the disability of blindness without some cohesion, but also it's just as dangerous to try and develop a "blind culture," as the deaf have done. If we allow others to see us as disabled, then we will be, but how do you change an attitude which I believe to be literally hard- wired into the brain stem, which says that if a stranger can't meet your eyes, then they are not to be trusted but instead are to be ostracized and shunned, cast out? I personally don't have an answer, except for myself; I do not allow people to act toward me as if I were disabled, as much of the time as is feasible. Of course I ask for help when I need it, directions or, in the case of a mailing label the other day, the help of a sighted person to ensure the label she printed for me went on right--I'm not naive, but I struggle constantly to escape from the "disabled box," that people on the street put me in. Growing up as an only child, born blind, with things like Braille a fact of life, rather than the exception, in a small town, in a very constricted and confined environment where I didn't even need a cane to get around, I could literally forget that I was blind--to this day, when people come up to me and start talking to me like a blind man, it often takes me a few moments to realize what's happening; until then, things people say to me sound nonsensical or outright rude. Until I remember that they're talking to my blind eyes, not to the man before them. It causes me no end of social hassle because I don't know that a person is "helping," me when I'm just doing my thing, and so I respond as a "normal," person would to someone who came up out of the blue and made a random comment about steps, or the curb, or whatever. The other day, someone in the post office thought they were helping by repeating everything the clerk said to me after she was done saying it. I turned and snapped, "Wait your turn!" and it was only when the person in question started yelling at me about how ungrateful I was that I remembered that, "Oh yeah; this is probably someone trying to help me the blind guy, not talking to me the guy." By then, as in numerous other instances, it was already far too late. (Eventually they had to call security to get the woman to leave me alone...) Whether that's a sign of my near-complete adaptation to blindness, my ADHD rearing its ugly head again, or what, I don't know, but I personally don't think of myself as disabled, don't act as if I expect people to give me a handicap. What would happen if every blind person, instead of going out the door with the assumption that "I'm blind, and people who come up and talk to me are talking to the blind me, not the true me," instead walked out the door with the assumption that "I'm just doing my thing, I'm as able as the next person, more or less, just different, and people who come up and talk to me as if I'm blind are rude?" This is the kind of universal change that I think needs to be made, and which I despair will ever be made. If thousands of blind people got on the phone to Microsoft, for example, and said, "What's wrong with this computer that I can't use it!? what's wrong with you for not making a computer I can use?" instead of waiting for an agency or a specialized software company to fix the problem for them?... Mark BurningHawk Baxter Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
It's not a total failure, until it is, and then it'll be a spectacular failure. It's a quick-fix solution for a quick-fix world, where your food comes from a tube and your cure from a pill, where you travel 80 miles an hour to go nowhere. While this might sound like I"m disparaging Western society, I don't believe that in Eastern society, generally speaking, it's any better--there, the blind are pitied and no less trapped, from the little I've learned and seen of that paradigm. The shunning of the blind is universal. ... Hey, that government agency wouldn't have any open positions... would then? :) Mark BurningHawk Baxter Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
My first visit to an Apple store, the guy said "what over? Voice what? Oh, you mean that speech synthesizer program? we don't have that." When I showed him VoiceOver, instead of being helpful, he became defensive; "Well how'm I supposed to know about that? no one's ever used it before." I'm not sure that buying Jaws or VocalEyes off the shelf is an answer, but it would certainly be better than having a go-between decide what we need. Having said that, I believe it was blind people who told MicroSoft that they didn't want Narrator developed as a usable screen-reader built into windows, "Because we need someone like FS to give us what we really need." I believe it was the NFB who discouraged MS from developing its equivalent of VoiceOver. Mark BurningHawk Baxter Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
Mark, very interesting. I once was on a flight and this nice young lady started asking me about my dog. The conversation quickly turned to questions about being blind, about how I work with computers and the like and eventually to her showing me an Iphone. THis was before the iPhone was accessible and even then I thought it was very cool. The point was she became very interested in me as a person and not just some blind guy. I think I left her with a very different perspective and understanding. I think it was one of the most intelligent convversations I have had in a good while and one where she really wanted to learn something and share her experiences. So, instead of seeing me as a disabled person, she saw me as a person with different abilities than herself and being a fellow Mac user, made for some really neat conversation. Of course I just knew she was cute and that didn't hurt either. :) On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:04 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > As long as the blind define themselves as "disabled," they will have > this problem. It's paradoxical, because as I said, I don't really > like to be around lots of blind people all together in a group, and > yet we, the blind people, need some sort of cohesive teaching / > enabling power that will allow us to not be disabled any more. It's > idealistic as hell to think that every single blind person can escape > from the disability of blindness without some cohesion, but also it's > just as dangerous to try and develop a "blind culture," as the deaf > have done. If we allow others to see us as disabled, then we will be, > but how do you change an attitude which I believe to be literally hard- > wired into the brain stem, which says that if a stranger can't meet > your eyes, then they are not to be trusted but instead are to be > ostracized and shunned, cast out? I personally don't have an answer, > except for myself; I do not allow people to act toward me as if I were > disabled, as much of the time as is feasible. Of course I ask for > help when I need it, directions or, in the case of a mailing label the > other day, the help of a sighted person to ensure the label she > printed for me went on right--I'm not naive, but I struggle constantly > to escape from the "disabled box," that people on the street put me in. > > Growing up as an only child, born blind, with things like Braille a > fact of life, rather than the exception, in a small town, in a very > constricted and confined environment where I didn't even need a cane > to get around, I could literally forget that I was blind--to this day, > when people come up to me and start talking to me like a blind man, it > often takes me a few moments to realize what's happening; until then, > things people say to me sound nonsensical or outright rude. Until I > remember that they're talking to my blind eyes, not to the man before > them. It causes me no end of social hassle because I don't know that > a person is "helping," me when I'm just doing my thing, and so I > respond as a "normal," person would to someone who came up out of the > blue and made a random comment about steps, or the curb, or whatever. > The other day, someone in the post office thought they were helping by > repeating everything the clerk said to me after she was done saying > it. I turned and snapped, "Wait your turn!" and it was only when the > person in question started yelling at me about how ungrateful I was > that I remembered that, "Oh yeah; this is probably someone trying to > help me the blind guy, not talking to me the guy." By then, as in > numerous other instances, it was already far too late. (Eventually > they had to call security to get the woman to leave me alone...) > Whether that's a sign of my near-complete adaptation to blindness, my > ADHD rearing its ugly head again, or what, I don't know, but I > personally don't think of myself as disabled, don't act as if I expect > people to give me a handicap. What would happen if every blind > person, instead of going out the door with the assumption that "I'm > blind, and people who come up and talk to me are talking to the blind > me, not the true me," instead walked out the door with the assumption > that "I'm just doing my thing, I'm as able as the next person, more or > less, just different, and people who come up and talk to me as if I'm > blind are rude?" This is the kind of universal change that I think > needs to be made, and which I despair will ever be made. If thousands > of blind people got on the phone to Microsoft, for example, and said, > "What's wrong with this computer that I can't use it!? what's wrong > with you for not making a computer I can use?" instead of waiting for > an agency or a specialized software company to fix the problem for > them?... > > > Mark BurningHawk Baxter > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >
Mac mini meats the putty knife
Hey all. Guess who's just been given a mac mini, which quite honestly is the best computer I've ever touched! However all is not well, this mini seems to be getting a bit hot and bothered - ie: when doing anything intense it will get hot then shutdown; I understand this is actually a feature. I want to open the case to try and remove some of the dust that I'm assuming is the cause of this problem, but I've never delved inside a mini before so am a little bit warey about how to go about it. The general concensus seems to be to use a putty knife or 2 or to cut & strip an ethernet cable then loop the wires around the tabs in order to release them. However, when I've found posts about how to do this, they've been quite pictorial so they haven't been that helpfull. I'd be interested in hearing if any totally blind person has ever managed to open the g4 1.42 mac mini without scratching it, using either of the above methods. I should be fine locating everything once the case is open, its just the actual removal of the casing that is worrying me a little. As always, any response what so ever would be great. Thanks for reading, Ben. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
Ah, well that is a good question. I'm a Program Manager for Work/Life and Benefits in human resources, but from a policy side of the hr world. You can check out http://nasajobs.nasa.gov or http://usajobs.opm.gov. Good luck, On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > It's not a total failure, until it is, and then it'll be a spectacular > failure. It's a quick-fix solution for a quick-fix world, where your > food comes from a tube and your cure from a pill, where you travel 80 > miles an hour to go nowhere. While this might sound like I"m > disparaging Western society, I don't believe that in Eastern society, > generally speaking, it's any better--there, the blind are pitied and > no less trapped, from the little I've learned and seen of that > paradigm. The shunning of the blind is universal. > ... Hey, that government agency wouldn't have any open positions... > would then? :) > > > Mark BurningHawk Baxter > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > My home page: > http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
I love conversations like that! It's a rare treat for me when someone comes up and says, basically, "You're different from me and that fascinates me, and I want to learn." Usually what I get is "You're different from me and that makes me afraid, so I'm going to control what I fear so that it can't hurt me." Growing up, I was taught that "It's your task to educate the sighted about the blind." In adult life, I realized that not only was this a pointless and thankless task, but it was a very heavy cross to bear, one that I had not asked for. Now, when someone is courageous enough to confront me as different and therefore stimulating, I feel privileged to talk to them; the rest of the people I don't bother trying to educate, because all the words in the world will not convince a scared or superstitious or xenophobic person to change their thinking patterns. Spent a half an hour with such an individual explaining how blind people use a computer or a dog, and they'll still shriek in panic and grab at you when stairs are present, or start talking to people around you about what you need, etc. Being cute and female never hurts, either. :) Mark BurningHawk Baxter Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac mini meats the putty knife
Hi Ben, There was a podcast about this on MacWorld some time ago. With instructions. But I can not remember the title of the episode. Search for mini and I think you will find it. Hope this helps, John André On 30. nov. 2009, at 22.12, ben mustill-rose wrote: > Hey all. > > Guess who's just been given a mac mini, which quite honestly is the > best computer I've ever touched! However all is not well, this mini > seems to be getting a bit hot and bothered - ie: when doing anything > intense it will get hot then shutdown; I understand this is actually a > feature. > > I want to open the case to try and remove some of the dust that I'm > assuming is the cause of this problem, but I've never delved inside a > mini before so am a little bit warey about how to go about it. > The general concensus seems to be to use a putty knife or 2 or to cut > & strip an ethernet cable then loop the wires around the tabs in order > to release them. However, when I've found posts about how to do this, > they've been quite pictorial so they haven't been that helpfull. > I'd be interested in hearing if any totally blind person has ever > managed to open the g4 1.42 mac mini without scratching it, using > either of the above methods. I should be fine locating everything once > the case is open, its just the actual removal of the casing that is > worrying me a little. > > As always, any response what so ever would be great. > Thanks for reading, Ben. > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac mini meats the putty knife
Ben, I haven't tried this myself, but I do understand you'll hear all sorts of cracking and other noises that are apparently scary sounding. I'm wondering if it is dust or something else. What version of the OS is it running, how much ram, and where are you encountering the issues with overheating. I have a G4 Mini here and there are some tasks it tends to break a sweat over, but I only have the stock 512Mb ram in it because I've not gotten up the courage to rip it apart yet. I still have a G5 iMac sitting here that I'm trying to take apart, but I've only gotten the front cover off and can't figure out how to pull the screen in order to reach the DVD drive and other components. I've not found sufficient textual descriptions to get the job done and I don't of course want to break anything. :) On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:12 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > Hey all. > > Guess who's just been given a mac mini, which quite honestly is the > best computer I've ever touched! However all is not well, this mini > seems to be getting a bit hot and bothered - ie: when doing anything > intense it will get hot then shutdown; I understand this is actually a > feature. > > I want to open the case to try and remove some of the dust that I'm > assuming is the cause of this problem, but I've never delved inside a > mini before so am a little bit warey about how to go about it. > The general concensus seems to be to use a putty knife or 2 or to cut > & strip an ethernet cable then loop the wires around the tabs in order > to release them. However, when I've found posts about how to do this, > they've been quite pictorial so they haven't been that helpfull. > I'd be interested in hearing if any totally blind person has ever > managed to open the g4 1.42 mac mini without scratching it, using > either of the above methods. I should be fine locating everything once > the case is open, its just the actual removal of the casing that is > worrying me a little. > > As always, any response what so ever would be great. > Thanks for reading, Ben. > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: text Edit Busy?
Hi Donna, You can force quit any app by pressing Command-Option-Escape, and then choosing the application you want to quit if you cannot exit regularly. I've not seen this behavior with TextEdit, but I don't usually try to change to specific font selections. I've read that one source of occasional mysterious performance problems is having an occasional corrupted font file, which will cause everything to hang. This may not be related to your difficulties, but if you experience a similar hang up when accessing the same font at a later time, this could be a corrupted font file. Cheers, Esther Donna Goodin wrote: > I think it depends on the app. I get this in Safari when pages are > loading, but it always goes away. This is the first time I've seen > the Mac get "stuck" in busy mode. > John W. Carty wrote: > >> I don't have an answer but in evaluating a mac for my future leap >> I've encountered applications busy msg. >> >> Is this related to limited ram? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Donna Goodin [mailto:goodi...@msu.edu] >> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:48 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: text Edit Busy? >> >> Hi all, >> >> I was just working on a document in Text Edit. I went into the Font >> menu to try and change the font, and when I did, I started getting >> the >> message "Text Edit Busy", but the message would not go away, and I >> couldn't close the program. Has anyone else seen this? Is there >> anyway to get rid of it besides shutting off the computer? >> TIA, >> Donna >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en >> . >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en >> . >> >> >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: text Edit Busy?
I only have to do the steps I mentioned when the program won't shut down with Command q and it's giving you a nonstop busy signal. It will tell you in the box that comes up whether the program is responding or not. If Text Edit is not responding then simply hit return to select it and then reload it. You may get a dialog asking you whether you want to report the problem to Apple, kind of like a reporting error in Windows. On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:54 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > I think it depends on the app. I get this in Safari when pages are > loading, but it always goes away. This is the first time I've seen > the Mac get "stuck" in busy mode. > On Nov 30, 2009, at 3:46 PM, John W. Carty wrote: > >> I don't have an answer but in evaluating a mac for my future leap >> I've encountered applications busy msg. >> >> Is this related to limited ram? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Donna Goodin [mailto:goodi...@msu.edu] >> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:48 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: text Edit Busy? >> >> Hi all, >> >> I was just working on a document in Text Edit. I went into the Font >> menu to try and change the font, and when I did, I started getting the >> message "Text Edit Busy", but the message would not go away, and I >> couldn't close the program. Has anyone else seen this? Is there >> anyway to get rid of it besides shutting off the computer? >> TIA, >> Donna >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en >> . >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en >> . >> >> >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
Yep, I troll those sites all the time. :) Thanks. Mark BurningHawk Baxter Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
or better yet, call Microsoft and tell them that Apple is making their products accessible out of the box, why can't they. :) I agree with you 100% I have always hated the word "disabled." It sounds like everything is disabled, not just my eyes. I love my work place because people have discovered that I am just like them other than my eyes, and they treat me as such. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > As long as the blind define themselves as "disabled," they will have > this problem. It's paradoxical, because as I said, I don't really > like to be around lots of blind people all together in a group, and > yet we, the blind people, need some sort of cohesive teaching / > enabling power that will allow us to not be disabled any more. It's > idealistic as hell to think that every single blind person can escape > from the disability of blindness without some cohesion, but also it's > just as dangerous to try and develop a "blind culture," as the deaf > have done. If we allow others to see us as disabled, then we will be, > but how do you change an attitude which I believe to be literally hard- > wired into the brain stem, which says that if a stranger can't meet > your eyes, then they are not to be trusted but instead are to be > ostracized and shunned, cast out? I personally don't have an answer, > except for myself; I do not allow people to act toward me as if I were > disabled, as much of the time as is feasible. Of course I ask for > help when I need it, directions or, in the case of a mailing label the > other day, the help of a sighted person to ensure the label she > printed for me went on right--I'm not naive, but I struggle constantly > to escape from the "disabled box," that people on the street put me in. > > Growing up as an only child, born blind, with things like Braille a > fact of life, rather than the exception, in a small town, in a very > constricted and confined environment where I didn't even need a cane > to get around, I could literally forget that I was blind--to this day, > when people come up to me and start talking to me like a blind man, it > often takes me a few moments to realize what's happening; until then, > things people say to me sound nonsensical or outright rude. Until I > remember that they're talking to my blind eyes, not to the man before > them. It causes me no end of social hassle because I don't know that > a person is "helping," me when I'm just doing my thing, and so I > respond as a "normal," person would to someone who came up out of the > blue and made a random comment about steps, or the curb, or whatever. > The other day, someone in the post office thought they were helping by > repeating everything the clerk said to me after she was done saying > it. I turned and snapped, "Wait your turn!" and it was only when the > person in question started yelling at me about how ungrateful I was > that I remembered that, "Oh yeah; this is probably someone trying to > help me the blind guy, not talking to me the guy." By then, as in > numerous other instances, it was already far too late. (Eventually > they had to call security to get the woman to leave me alone...) > Whether that's a sign of my near-complete adaptation to blindness, my > ADHD rearing its ugly head again, or what, I don't know, but I > personally don't think of myself as disabled, don't act as if I expect > people to give me a handicap. What would happen if every blind > person, instead of going out the door with the assumption that "I'm > blind, and people who come up and talk to me are talking to the blind > me, not the true me," instead walked out the door with the assumption > that "I'm just doing my thing, I'm as able as the next person, more or > less, just different, and people who come up and talk to me as if I'm > blind are rude?" This is the kind of universal change that I think > needs to be made, and which I despair will ever be made. If thousands > of blind people got on the phone to Microsoft, for example, and said, > "What's wrong with this computer that I can't use it!? what's wrong > with you for not making a computer I can use?" instead of waiting for > an agency or a specialized software company to fix the problem for > them?... > > > Mark BurningHawk Baxter > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > My home page: > http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou
Re: text Edit Busy?
Thanks! I knew something like that existed. I tried Command Option Q, but to no avail. Best, Donna On Nov 30, 2009, at 3:55 PM, carlene knight wrote: > Hi Donna: > > Try pressing Command Option Escape all at once. A dialog should pop > up asking you which program you want to quit.. Simply arrow to Text > Edit which will probably say not responding and hit enter. The > program has crashed. > On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I was just working on a document in Text Edit. I went into the Font >> menu to try and change the font, and when I did, I started getting >> the >> message "Text Edit Busy", but the message would not go away, and I >> couldn't close the program. Has anyone else seen this? Is there >> anyway to get rid of it besides shutting off the computer? >> TIA, >> Donna >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en >> . >> >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en > . > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: spreadsheets
Hi John, John W. Carty wrote: > I'm looking to make the leap to a mac and currently I heavily use > spreadsheets so can anyone who uses lots of spreadsheets that > utilizes multi sheet references, formulas, functions, if logic, etc > let me know how numbers performs with vo. I'm going to paste in yesterday's post on this topic. Although Numbers is accessible, my suggestion is that you'll find the best experience using Tables. This is supposed to be on sale for 40% off through November 30, but since the developer is in Germany I don't know which time zone that cut-off works for (it's a Thanksgiving Day sale). The list price is 29 Euros, and they also have educational discounts; there is a fully functional trial you can download and use for 30 days. The developer worked with a number of VoiceOver users for this release, and the product was available before the Apple iWorks software was released in accessible form. I think you'll find this more intuitive in its layout if you're coming from Windows. Here's the information: On Nov 28, 2009, at 10:15 PM, Esther wrote: Hi, While I think that the iWorks software, Numbers, is accessible, I think Brett is correct that you'll have the easiest time with Tables. It's actually on sale for 40% off as part of the Thanksgiving Black Friday sales if you purchase it before November 30. Here's the link to the discount announcement web page: http://prmac.com/release-id-8903.htm The page gives links and full information about entering a coupon code of "thanks09" (without the quote marks) upon check-out. If you need the direct web site, it's: www.x-tables.eu and as Brett said, the developer got feedback from VoiceOver users in putting out this release. List price is around 29 Euros or $48 without the discount. HTH Cheers, Esther Brett Campbell wrote: I use a spreadsheet program called Tables. It works great for me and the developer is mindful of VoiceOver. Brett C. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
Urrggg! We could get into a discussion about the NFB as I think they have made a lot of things worse in pretending we don't have different needs than the sighted workd. but I think that's an OT subject. I could write essays about it though. As I said, the sales people at Apple stores should know about VO, not saying they do. It's at leas possible though. It would be interesting to take a poll and see just how many sales people and techs know about VO. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > My first visit to an Apple store, the guy said "what over? Voice > what? Oh, you mean that speech synthesizer program? we don't have > that." When I showed him VoiceOver, instead of being helpful, he > became defensive; "Well how'm I supposed to know about that? no one's > ever used it before." I'm not sure that buying Jaws or VocalEyes off > the shelf is an answer, but it would certainly be better than having a > go-between decide what we need. Having said that, I believe it was > blind people who told MicroSoft that they didn't want Narrator > developed as a usable screen-reader built into windows, "Because we > need someone like FS to give us what we really need." I believe it > was the NFB who discouraged MS from developing its equivalent of > VoiceOver. > > > Mark BurningHawk Baxter > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > My home page: > http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
With all due respect, that argument has been used time and time again. To that, I say this: the best example of a product that has gone down in price because of the acceptance of it by the sighted community, is the optical scanner, which was originally intended for use by the blind for scanning newspapers, magazines, and othr documents in their computers or reading machines. Back then, you had to pay thousands of dolars for the machine, and ys, state agencies bought it for us, if we were lucky. Now, one can buy a scanner and to a certain extent, software for scanning pictures, text, and other document forms into one's PC, at a fraction of the cost it was in the 1970's. The point here is that it found a marketable niche among the sighted community, and once they were mass-produced, prices started coming down and people could afford said scanners. While braille displays are another issue, there are companies who are working to make even displays more affordable and accepting to the universal design market. In the 1980's, Apple tried an experiment, using an ordinary, dot matrix printer, to produce braille. It wasn't the best quality braille, but it was an experiment that, had it been popular, might have flown. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Nov 30, 2009, at 11:50 AM, carlene knight wrote: Unfortunately you have to be realistic though. I agree with you in a sense, but going into a store and buying JAWS or Window Eyes off of the shelf? That would be nice? that's one reason I like the Mac and accessories. The people in the Mac and Apple stores will likely not be trained for extensive use with Vo, but they should be able to make sure it works. Try going into a Best Buy and asking them if JFW works. We probably make up less than 10% of the population so it isn't going to happen. It would still be expensive, and that's why I needed the agency to buy it for me. Again don't get me wrong, in a perfect world that might happen, but we all know the world is far from perfect. I'm not trying to defend anybody necessarily, and I don't consider myself dependent because I need assistance from them. I got my own jobs, take care of myself, go where I need to go etc. A good organization helps people become independent. I agree that whenever possible, we should do for ourselves and not be too dependent on anybody, agencies included. On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: > And for this reason, I feel that many state agencies, (Alaska's, being > one of them)will be cutting back services, in favor of other things > and as Mark so eloquently pointed out, the elderly, the poor, and the > disabled, will be hurt first. I know thisis a different subject line > from what was originally intended, and I apologize for that, but I > will say one more thing on this, and that is that I'm in favor of > universal design so that blind people can walk into any store and > purchase off-the-shelf software and get it working and we not be > forced to be co-dependent on state agencies to purchase our stuff. I > guess, in a way, I'm against state agencies for the reasons I stated > above. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. > > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:32 AM, carlene knight wrote: > > Hi Mark: > > I certainly don't hold a grudge as everybody is entitled to their > opinion. However, if it weren't for the Commission for the blind here > in Oregon, there is no way that I could perform the job I was hired > for. I had to have a programmer write JAWS scripts so that I could > get to the buttons, read the drop down boxes that just had graphics > for names, etc. I couldn't have afforded the thousands of dollars that > has costed. He is working as we speak since the company I work for > has changed software and everything we had done in the past regarding > the original software is now null and void. I could have not afforded > a Braille display at about 12,000 dollars. I can say with certainty > that there are few if any companies that would provide any of these > services. Unfortunately many government funded agencies, including > the Oregon Commission for the blind do know little about Mac > accessibility as they have contracts with certain vendors, and, face > it,whether we like it or not, a majority of companies still use > Windows based software. My husband and I both decided on our own to > try the Mac, and though I've had some problems, I'm glad I did. I've > learned it without an instructor. We nearly lost our Commission last > summer so when I hear people talking about how we shouldn't have > government agencies such as this, I have to disagree though they do > have their problems. Yes, some people do rely on others to much, but > not all of us do. Like you, I grew up in the public school system in > a rural area. I was born blind also. I'll get off my soap box now. > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Mark BurningHawk B
Re: text Edit Busy?
Thanks, Esther. this was the first time I tried to set the font in a document, so I wasn't sure if it was user error. I'll give this another try. What does one do if there is a corrupted font file? thanks, Donna On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:20 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Donna, > > You can force quit any app by pressing Command-Option-Escape, and then > choosing the application you want to quit if you cannot exit > regularly. I've not seen this behavior with TextEdit, but I don't > usually try to change to specific font selections. I've read that one > source of occasional mysterious performance problems is having an > occasional corrupted font file, which will cause everything to hang. > This may not be related to your difficulties, but if you experience a > similar hang up when accessing the same font at a later time, this > could be a corrupted font file. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > Donna Goodin wrote: > >> I think it depends on the app. I get this in Safari when pages are >> loading, but it always goes away. This is the first time I've seen >> the Mac get "stuck" in busy mode. >> John W. Carty wrote: >> >>> I don't have an answer but in evaluating a mac for my future leap >>> I've encountered applications busy msg. >>> >>> Is this related to limited ram? >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Donna Goodin [mailto:goodi...@msu.edu] >>> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:48 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: text Edit Busy? >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I was just working on a document in Text Edit. I went into the Font >>> menu to try and change the font, and when I did, I started getting >>> the >>> message "Text Edit Busy", but the message would not go away, and I >>> couldn't close the program. Has anyone else seen this? Is there >>> anyway to get rid of it besides shutting off the computer? >>> TIA, >>> Donna >>> >>> -- >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en >>> . >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en >>> . >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en >> . >> >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en > . > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
Scott, I never would have had my interest peaked about the iPhone, were it not for my niece, Elisabeth, who had one and though she didn't show me how to operate it, she thought it could be adapted so that blind people could use it. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Mark, very interesting. I once was on a flight and this nice young lady started asking me about my dog. The conversation quickly turned to questions about being blind, about how I work with computers and the like and eventually to her showing me an Iphone. THis was before the iPhone was accessible and even then I thought it was very cool. The point was she became very interested in me as a person and not just some blind guy. I think I left her with a very different perspective and understanding. I think it was one of the most intelligent convversations I have had in a good while and one where she really wanted to learn something and share her experiences. So, instead of seeing me as a disabled person, she saw me as a person with different abilities than herself and being a fellow Mac user, made for some really neat conversation. Of course I just knew she was cute and that didn't hurt either. :) On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:04 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > As long as the blind define themselves as "disabled," they will have > this problem. It's paradoxical, because as I said, I don't really > like to be around lots of blind people all together in a group, and > yet we, the blind people, need some sort of cohesive teaching / > enabling power that will allow us to not be disabled any more. It's > idealistic as hell to think that every single blind person can escape > from the disability of blindness without some cohesion, but also it's > just as dangerous to try and develop a "blind culture," as the deaf > have done. If we allow others to see us as disabled, then we will be, > but how do you change an attitude which I believe to be literally > hard- > wired into the brain stem, which says that if a stranger can't meet > your eyes, then they are not to be trusted but instead are to be > ostracized and shunned, cast out? I personally don't have an answer, > except for myself; I do not allow people to act toward me as if I were > disabled, as much of the time as is feasible. Of course I ask for > help when I need it, directions or, in the case of a mailing label the > other day, the help of a sighted person to ensure the label she > printed for me went on right--I'm not naive, but I struggle constantly > to escape from the "disabled box," that people on the street put me > in. > > Growing up as an only child, born blind, with things like Braille a > fact of life, rather than the exception, in a small town, in a very > constricted and confined environment where I didn't even need a cane > to get around, I could literally forget that I was blind--to this day, > when people come up to me and start talking to me like a blind man, it > often takes me a few moments to realize what's happening; until then, > things people say to me sound nonsensical or outright rude. Until I > remember that they're talking to my blind eyes, not to the man before > them. It causes me no end of social hassle because I don't know that > a person is "helping," me when I'm just doing my thing, and so I > respond as a "normal," person would to someone who came up out of the > blue and made a random comment about steps, or the curb, or whatever. > The other day, someone in the post office thought they were helping by > repeating everything the clerk said to me after she was done saying > it. I turned and snapped, "Wait your turn!" and it was only when the > person in question started yelling at me about how ungrateful I was > that I remembered that, "Oh yeah; this is probably someone trying to > help me the blind guy, not talking to me the guy." By then, as in > numerous other instances, it was already far too late. (Eventually > they had to call security to get the woman to leave me alone...) > Whether that's a sign of my near-complete adaptation to blindness, my > ADHD rearing its ugly head again, or what, I don't know, but I > personally don't think of myself as disabled, don't act as if I expect > people to give me a handicap. What would happen if every blind > person, instead of going out the door with the assumption that "I'm > blind, and people who come up and talk to me are talking to the blind > me, not the true me," instead walked out the door with the assumption > that "I'm just doing my thing, I'm as able as the next person, more or > less, just different, and people who come up and talk to me as if I'm > blind are rude?" This is the kind of universal change that I think > needs to be made, and which I despair will ever be made. If thousands > of blind people got on the phone to Microsoft, for example, and said, > "What's wrong with this computer that I can't use i
RE: old vo manual on accessibility site
Hello Charlie, Here is the contact information for the Lighthouse store from which you may purchase Apple user guides. Mark Lighthouse For The Blind Adaptations Store Info Adaptations San Francisco 415) 431-1481 x301 or x305 214 Van Ness Ave. San Francisco, CA 94102 adaptati...@lighthouse-sf.org Store hours: Monday - Friday: 10 am to 5 pm. Third Saturday of every month: 10 am to 4 pm. http://www.lighthouse-sf.org/catalog/ -Original Message- From: Charlie Doremus [mailto:giantdolp...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 2:16 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: old vo manual on accessibility site Where is the manual available? Aloha, Charlie On Nov 28, 2009, at 11:19 PM, "M. Taylor" wrote: > I, too, ordered the Braille manual of 10.6 and am very impressed > with it. > > I love the outstanding customer service of Lighthouse and am glad > that Apple > put this product in the hands of a company that knows how to > distribute it. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: Les Kriegler [mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 12:45 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: old vo manual on accessibility site > > Hi Anouk, > > I recently ordered the Using VO with SnowLeopard manual in braille > and await > its arrival. Apple has contracted with Lighthouse INternational in > San > Francisco, California to [provide this manual in braille. In the > US, it > costs $14.95 plus shipping which is almost as much as the cost of the > manual. > > Les > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
Exactly so. The fact is that I forget that I'm seen as disabled because I'm the strongest person in my world. To me, many people who try to "help," me are the ones in desperate need of help themselves, but I realize that this point of view is just switching the shoe to the other foot and not productive, so I don't try. As I said this morning, I'm rather asocial (The more I get to know people, the better I like my dog. *grin*), and mind my own business 99% of the time; when people butt into my world with their reminder that they think I'm weaker or less able than them, I resent them and promptly butt them back out. I'm sure that MS knows about VoiceOver, but they just don't care, again because there are so few blind people that it's easier to sweep the problem under the carpet. Mark BurningHawk Baxter Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: text Edit Busy?
Donna, to quit an application it's Command q, no option key. Command Option escape is the force quit command when the program won't respond with Command q.. HOpe that helps. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:37 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Thanks! I knew something like that existed. I tried Command Option Q, > but to no avail. > Best, > Donna > On Nov 30, 2009, at 3:55 PM, carlene knight wrote: > >> Hi Donna: >> >> Try pressing Command Option Escape all at once. A dialog should pop >> up asking you which program you want to quit.. Simply arrow to Text >> Edit which will probably say not responding and hit enter. The >> program has crashed. >> On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I was just working on a document in Text Edit. I went into the Font >>> menu to try and change the font, and when I did, I started getting >>> the >>> message "Text Edit Busy", but the message would not go away, and I >>> couldn't close the program. Has anyone else seen this? Is there >>> anyway to get rid of it besides shutting off the computer? >>> TIA, >>> Donna >>> >>> -- >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en >>> . >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en >> . >> >> >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac mini meats the putty knife
I wouldn't risk doing this if I were you for the simple reason, one the casing has been tampered with, unless one knows what they're doing, the Mac Mini would be hard to put back together again. If it shuts down, chances are, it's a safety feature, although it shouldn't; Mac Minis run fairly warm with heavy use, but there is a safety mechanism built into them which prevents overheating. I don't know about older Mac Minis, but the newer ones have that feature. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:12 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: Hey all. Guess who's just been given a mac mini, which quite honestly is the best computer I've ever touched! However all is not well, this mini seems to be getting a bit hot and bothered - ie: when doing anything intense it will get hot then shutdown; I understand this is actually a feature. I want to open the case to try and remove some of the dust that I'm assuming is the cause of this problem, but I've never delved inside a mini before so am a little bit warey about how to go about it. The general concensus seems to be to use a putty knife or 2 or to cut & strip an ethernet cable then loop the wires around the tabs in order to release them. However, when I've found posts about how to do this, they've been quite pictorial so they haven't been that helpfull. I'd be interested in hearing if any totally blind person has ever managed to open the g4 1.42 mac mini without scratching it, using either of the above methods. I should be fine locating everything once the case is open, its just the actual removal of the casing that is worrying me a little. As always, any response what so ever would be great. Thanks for reading, Ben. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: text Edit Busy?
Got it. thanks. Donna On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:56 PM, carlene knight wrote: > Donna, to quit an application it's Command q, no option key. > Command Option escape is the force quit command when the program > won't respond with Command q.. HOpe that helps. > On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:37 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Thanks! I knew something like that existed. I tried Command Option >> Q, >> but to no avail. >> Best, >> Donna >> On Nov 30, 2009, at 3:55 PM, carlene knight wrote: >> >>> Hi Donna: >>> >>> Try pressing Command Option Escape all at once. A dialog should pop >>> up asking you which program you want to quit.. Simply arrow to Text >>> Edit which will probably say not responding and hit enter. The >>> program has crashed. >>> On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> Hi all, I was just working on a document in Text Edit. I went into the Font menu to try and change the font, and when I did, I started getting the message "Text Edit Busy", but the message would not go away, and I couldn't close the program. Has anyone else seen this? Is there anyway to get rid of it besides shutting off the computer? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . >>> >>> -- >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en >>> . >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en >> . >> >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en > . > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
changing the font in a document
Hi all, In short, how does one do this? I have incorporated text from 2 different documents, and want to make sure the font is the same throughout my final document. I've tried Command-T, but I just get some weird text underline menu. Thinking about it, I guess my question is twofold: 1. How can I hear the text attributes of a given line of text? and 2. How can I set the whole document to a single font? On the positive side, Text Edit didn't hang this time. :) Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: text Edit Busy?
Hi Donna, I think that corrupted font files are in the rare but possible category, which is why this is a source of "mysterious" problems. What I've noted is that when I run heavy-duty diagnostic and disk repair software -- like Alsoft's Disk Warrior, which can reconstruct and repair systems that Disk Utility's repair disk functions cannot -- about the only files that ever show up as not matching expectations are font files, and even those rarely show up. I've never actually had this problem myself (or actually needed the recovery features of Disk Warrior -- this is preventive medicine). However, I've read about this. I'd say that the likelihood is almost vanishingly small, but you might need to reload original files from your system disk or Time Machine backup. Best, Esther Donna Goodin wrote: > Thanks, Esther. this was the first time I tried to set the font in a > document, so I wasn't sure if it was user error. I'll give this > another try. What does one do if there is a corrupted font file? > thanks, > Donna > On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:20 PM, Esther wrote: > >> Hi Donna, >> >> You can force quit any app by pressing Command-Option-Escape, and >> then >> choosing the application you want to quit if you cannot exit >> regularly. I've not seen this behavior with TextEdit, but I don't >> usually try to change to specific font selections. I've read that >> one >> source of occasional mysterious performance problems is having an >> occasional corrupted font file, which will cause everything to hang. >> This may not be related to your difficulties, but if you experience a >> similar hang up when accessing the same font at a later time, this >> could be a corrupted font file. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> I think it depends on the app. I get this in Safari when pages are >>> loading, but it always goes away. This is the first time I've seen >>> the Mac get "stuck" in busy mode. >>> John W. Carty wrote: >>> I don't have an answer but in evaluating a mac for my future leap I've encountered applications busy msg. Is this related to limited ram? -Original Message- From: Donna Goodin [mailto:goodi...@msu.edu] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:48 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: text Edit Busy? Hi all, I was just working on a document in Text Edit. I went into the Font menu to try and change the font, and when I did, I started getting the message "Text Edit Busy", but the message would not go away, and I couldn't close the program. Has anyone else seen this? Is there anyway to get rid of it besides shutting off the computer? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . >>> >>> -- >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en >>> . >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en >> . >> >> >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvision
Apple Mail and a Mac Mini Question
Hi, I'm having trouble sending mail on my Mac Mini. I checked the settings on both my iMac and Mac Mini and both settings for each account are identical. However, on my Mac Mini, I keep getting a message that says: "The SMPT server is not responding," or "The SMPT server has timed out." I've even gone as far as to remove all accounts from the Mac Mini and redo the accounts over again. I am receiving mail, but can't send any. I called my Internet provider and they suggested using just the local server for all accounts to see if that works. Are there any other possibilities? I checked my wireless router, and it works like a charm on all the computers in my house, including my iMac. All software is updated on my Mac Mini, as I have Leopard installed. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
I'm with you on the anarchy, though I've chosen to just stay close mouthed about things I disagree with and take what I get and smile. If there is someone who I see is the same way or who I might be able to help by possibly pushing them off the ideals track, I'm totally willing to do so, though I try to remain rather covert about it. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:00 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > The biggest way in which the sighted have power over the blind is just > that; they teach the blind to pity themselves, to be dependent on the > sighted and not upon themselves. Thank you for the kind words, by the > way; I only hope I can earn them. :) I fall far short of my ideals in > this respect, and am not too proud to admit it. I don't really like > *ANY* organization, I'm sort of an anarchist and quite apolitical-- > some might even say asocial--because I've never found an organization > or group I could trust not to try and make my mind up for me or decide > how I should be. This applies all across the board. I don't like > blind people in groups much for just the reasons you cite. When I > catch myself whining, I briskly slap myself and get on with life, > because the quickest way we lose our power is by appearing pitiable. > I am a firm advocate of solutions through superior strength (but not > peace through superior firepower :) ), and that's how I try to > practice. Some day, I hope to be strong enough to solve all my > problems myself without the need to go at someone else's pace or kiss > someone's ass or play anyone's games buy my own. Wish me luck getting > there. :) > > > Mark BurningHawk Baxter > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > My home page: > http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
I know that the companies take huge advantage of the fact that they have a guaranteed nitch and can charge whatever they want. That's why I will not upgrade my JAWS SMA. For one thing I don't need it and secondly, I don't want to pay that kind of price for an upgrade, but FS knows that they can get away with it because of a guaranteed market. I'm not saying things could not change, but simply stating that you can't get JAWS or a Braille display from a home electronics ore software store, and I wouldn't expect to happen any time soon if ever. In their eyes, why should They bother as they won't sell enough of them to make it worth their while. There is a cell phone put out by Capital Accessibility in Europe. I've seen one and it's no big deal. The speech is great, but there is no camera, digital screen, or anything that might ad a bit of a price to the phone. It's built like a brick, but it is over $500 and though the speech is clear, it's very robotic. Tell me that's not ridiculous? I don't know that agencies are responsible for this one, but the phone is so tailored to our needs that somebody will buy it. Not me. Granted, if more people were learning braille and speech software as they were dealing with macular degeneration, and there was a big enough demand for it, things might come down a bit. That's great about the scanner. I'd better stop typing now as I am misspelling more things than I am typing correctly and am about to throw this keyboard, though it's not at fault. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: > With all due respect, that argument has been used time and time > again. To that, I say this: the best example of a product that has > gone down in price because of the acceptance of it by the sighted > community, is the optical scanner, which was originally intended for > use by the blind for scanning newspapers, magazines, and othr > documents in their computers or reading machines. Back then, you had > to pay thousands of dolars for the machine, and ys, state agencies > bought it for us, if we were lucky. Now, one can buy a scanner and to > a certain extent, software for scanning pictures, text, and other > document forms into one's PC, at a fraction of the cost it was in the > 1970's. The point here is that it found a marketable niche among the > sighted community, and once they were mass-produced, prices started > coming down and people could afford said scanners. While braille > displays are another issue, there are companies who are working to > make even displays more affordable and accepting to the universal > design market. In the 1980's, Apple tried an experiment, using an > ordinary, dot matrix printer, to produce braille. It wasn't the best > quality braille, but it was an experiment that, had it been popular, > might have flown. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. > > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 11:50 AM, carlene knight wrote: > > Unfortunately you have to be realistic though. I agree with you in a > sense, but going into a store and buying JAWS or Window Eyes off of > the shelf? That would be nice? that's one reason I like the Mac and > accessories. The people in the Mac and Apple stores will likely not > be trained for extensive use with Vo, but they should be able to make > sure it works. Try going into a Best Buy > and asking them if JFW works. We probably make up less than 10% of > the population so it isn't going to happen. It would still be > expensive, and that's why I needed the agency to buy it for me. Again > don't get me wrong, in a perfect world that might happen, but we all > know the world is far from perfect. I'm not trying to defend anybody > necessarily, and I don't consider myself dependent because I need > assistance from them. I got my own jobs, take care of myself, go > where I need to go etc. A good organization helps people become > independent. I agree that whenever possible, we should do for > ourselves and not be too dependent on anybody, agencies included. > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: > >> And for this reason, I feel that many state agencies, (Alaska's, being >> one of them)will be cutting back services, in favor of other things >> and as Mark so eloquently pointed out, the elderly, the poor, and the >> disabled, will be hurt first. I know thisis a different subject line >> from what was originally intended, and I apologize for that, but I >> will say one more thing on this, and that is that I'm in favor of >> universal design so that blind people can walk into any store and >> purchase off-the-shelf software and get it working and we not be >> forced to be co-dependent on state agencies to purchase our stuff. I >> guess, in a way, I'm against state agencies for the reasons I stated >> above. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. >> >> >> On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:32 AM, carlene knight wrote
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
Why are you dependent on agencies to do stuff? Your just as capable as they are of doing the research. More than likely your more capable because you won't just go with the normal and will choose what you like for whatever reasons. The hunt for accessible software is hard at times, but it's not impossible. Especially running stuff on the mac and etc. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: > And for this reason, I feel that many state agencies, (Alaska's, being > one of them)will be cutting back services, in favor of other things > and as Mark so eloquently pointed out, the elderly, the poor, and the > disabled, will be hurt first. I know thisis a different subject line > from what was originally intended, and I apologize for that, but I > will say one more thing on this, and that is that I'm in favor of > universal design so that blind people can walk into any store and > purchase off-the-shelf software and get it working and we not be > forced to be co-dependent on state agencies to purchase our stuff. I > guess, in a way, I'm against state agencies for the reasons I stated > above. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. > > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:32 AM, carlene knight wrote: > > Hi Mark: > > I certainly don't hold a grudge as everybody is entitled to their > opinion. However, if it weren't for the Commission for the blind here > in Oregon, there is no way that I could perform the job I was hired > for. I had to have a programmer write JAWS scripts so that I could > get to the buttons, read the drop down boxes that just had graphics > for names, etc. I couldn't have afforded the thousands of dollars that > has costed. He is working as we speak since the company I work for > has changed software and everything we had done in the past regarding > the original software is now null and void. I could have not afforded > a Braille display at about 12,000 dollars. I can say with certainty > that there are few if any companies that would provide any of these > services. Unfortunately many government funded agencies, including > the Oregon Commission for the blind do know little about Mac > accessibility as they have contracts with certain vendors, and, face > it,whether we like it or not, a majority of companies still use > Windows based software. My husband and I both decided on our own to > try the Mac, and though I've had some problems, I'm glad I did. I've > learned it without an instructor. We nearly lost our Commission last > summer so when I hear people talking about how we shouldn't have > government agencies such as this, I have to disagree though they do > have their problems. Yes, some people do rely on others to much, but > not all of us do. Like you, I grew up in the public school system in > a rural area. I was born blind also. I'll get off my soap box now. > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > >> You, and I to a lesser extent, and others are the exception. I was >> born blind, didn't go to any institutions for the blind, was raised as >> an only child, mostly in rural Vermont with minimal help from state >> agencies. Graduated from Dartmouth when I was 20, again with minimal >> if any help from agencies--didn't have my first experience with any >> agencies or institutions for the blind until I was 24, when the >> Carroll Center was offering a medical transcription course and I >> needed another, safer place to be. They kicked me out of their dorm, >> making me homeless, after six weeks there. Rehab flatly refused to >> support me and my music career in any way, and pressured me to go to >> the Carroll Center in the first place, then pressured me to get >> therapy and reform my ways when they made me homeless. I only started >> cautiously learning how to deal with the agencies in 2007, when it >> became clear that my failing hearing was going to force me out of the >> transcription career I'd had for 13+ years. I learned Jaws and >> Windows essentially by myself, as I've always been good with tech. >> Even now, while I may have learned a little about how to get along >> with the agencies and get what I need, it's a very uneasy truce at >> best./ I hope to be starting a job at another institution for the >> blind soon, but this time as a trainer, not a student, which hopefully >> will turn out better. You can see why I advocate for the abolition of >> such systems. They do not foster independence of thinking, and tend >> to punish outside-the-box people, in my experience. I do realize that >> people blinded later in life may not adapt as fully as those born >> blind; I'm learning that as I lose my hearing, so I have the privilege >> of seeing both sides of the coin, but think about what that implies-- >> that the pressure on those whose world has already been blasted by >> losing their sight will essentially become putty in the hands of high- >> pressure
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
It would, in fact be great to see jaws in the stores, but that'd just give FS a reason to double the costs. That and stocking jaws on shelves that won't ever need it. The stores actually have to pay for it, then pay for the new version when a new one comes out, etc. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:50 PM, carlene knight wrote: > Unfortunately you have to be realistic though. I agree with you in a sense, > but going into a store and buying JAWS or Window Eyes off of the shelf? That > would be nice? that's one reason I like the Mac and accessories. The people > in the Mac and Apple stores will likely not be trained for extensive use with > Vo, but they should be able to make sure it works. Try going into a Best Buy > and asking them if JFW works. We probably make up less than 10% of the > population so it isn't going to happen. It would still be expensive, and > that's why I needed the agency to buy it for me. Again don't get me wrong, > in a perfect world that might happen, but we all know the world is far from > perfect. I'm not trying to defend anybody necessarily, and I don't consider > myself dependent because I need assistance from them. I got my own jobs, > take care of myself, go where I need to go etc. A good organization helps > people become independent. I agree that whenever possible, we should do for > ourselves and not be too dependent on anybody, agencies included. > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: > >> And for this reason, I feel that many state agencies, (Alaska's, being >> one of them)will be cutting back services, in favor of other things >> and as Mark so eloquently pointed out, the elderly, the poor, and the >> disabled, will be hurt first. I know thisis a different subject line >> from what was originally intended, and I apologize for that, but I >> will say one more thing on this, and that is that I'm in favor of >> universal design so that blind people can walk into any store and >> purchase off-the-shelf software and get it working and we not be >> forced to be co-dependent on state agencies to purchase our stuff. I >> guess, in a way, I'm against state agencies for the reasons I stated >> above. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. >> >> >> On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:32 AM, carlene knight wrote: >> >> Hi Mark: >> >> I certainly don't hold a grudge as everybody is entitled to their >> opinion. However, if it weren't for the Commission for the blind here >> in Oregon, there is no way that I could perform the job I was hired >> for. I had to have a programmer write JAWS scripts so that I could >> get to the buttons, read the drop down boxes that just had graphics >> for names, etc. I couldn't have afforded the thousands of dollars that >> has costed. He is working as we speak since the company I work for >> has changed software and everything we had done in the past regarding >> the original software is now null and void. I could have not afforded >> a Braille display at about 12,000 dollars. I can say with certainty >> that there are few if any companies that would provide any of these >> services. Unfortunately many government funded agencies, including >> the Oregon Commission for the blind do know little about Mac >> accessibility as they have contracts with certain vendors, and, face >> it,whether we like it or not, a majority of companies still use >> Windows based software. My husband and I both decided on our own to >> try the Mac, and though I've had some problems, I'm glad I did. I've >> learned it without an instructor. We nearly lost our Commission last >> summer so when I hear people talking about how we shouldn't have >> government agencies such as this, I have to disagree though they do >> have their problems. Yes, some people do rely on others to much, but >> not all of us do. Like you, I grew up in the public school system in >> a rural area. I was born blind also. I'll get off my soap box now. >> >> On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: >> >>> You, and I to a lesser extent, and others are the exception. I was >>> born blind, didn't go to any institutions for the blind, was raised as >>> an only child, mostly in rural Vermont with minimal help from state >>> agencies. Graduated from Dartmouth when I was 20, again with minimal >>> if any help from agencies--didn't have my first experience with any >>> agencies or institutions for the blind until I was 24, when the >>> Carroll Center was offering a medical transcription course and I >>> needed another, safer place to be. They kicked me out of their dorm, >>> making me homeless, after six weeks there. Rehab flatly refused to >>> support me and my music career in any way, and pressured me to go to >>> the Carroll Center in the first place, then pressured me to get >>> therapy and reform my ways when they made me homeless. I only started >>> cautiously learning how to
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
Hey Richie, so now that the iPhone is accessible, what does she think about that? Considering she thought it was possible and now it is, she must be pretty impressed. :) On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:54 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: > Scott, I never would have had my interest peaked about the iPhone, > were it not for my niece, Elisabeth, who had one and though she didn't > show me how to operate it, she thought it could be adapted so that > blind people could use it. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. > > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > > Mark, very interesting. I once was on a flight and this nice young > lady started asking me about my dog. The conversation quickly turned > to questions about being blind, about how I work with computers and > the like and eventually to her showing me an Iphone. THis was before > the iPhone was accessible and even then I thought it was very cool. > The point was she became very interested in me as a person and not > just some blind guy. I think I left her with a very different > perspective and understanding. I think it was one of the most > intelligent convversations I have had in a good while and one where > she really wanted to learn something and share her experiences. So, > instead of seeing me as a disabled person, she saw me as a person with > different abilities than herself and being a fellow Mac user, made for > some really neat conversation. Of course I just knew she was cute and > that didn't hurt either. :) > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:04 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > >> As long as the blind define themselves as "disabled," they will have >> this problem. It's paradoxical, because as I said, I don't really >> like to be around lots of blind people all together in a group, and >> yet we, the blind people, need some sort of cohesive teaching / >> enabling power that will allow us to not be disabled any more. It's >> idealistic as hell to think that every single blind person can escape >> from the disability of blindness without some cohesion, but also it's >> just as dangerous to try and develop a "blind culture," as the deaf >> have done. If we allow others to see us as disabled, then we will be, >> but how do you change an attitude which I believe to be literally >> hard- >> wired into the brain stem, which says that if a stranger can't meet >> your eyes, then they are not to be trusted but instead are to be >> ostracized and shunned, cast out? I personally don't have an answer, >> except for myself; I do not allow people to act toward me as if I were >> disabled, as much of the time as is feasible. Of course I ask for >> help when I need it, directions or, in the case of a mailing label the >> other day, the help of a sighted person to ensure the label she >> printed for me went on right--I'm not naive, but I struggle constantly >> to escape from the "disabled box," that people on the street put me >> in. >> >> Growing up as an only child, born blind, with things like Braille a >> fact of life, rather than the exception, in a small town, in a very >> constricted and confined environment where I didn't even need a cane >> to get around, I could literally forget that I was blind--to this day, >> when people come up to me and start talking to me like a blind man, it >> often takes me a few moments to realize what's happening; until then, >> things people say to me sound nonsensical or outright rude. Until I >> remember that they're talking to my blind eyes, not to the man before >> them. It causes me no end of social hassle because I don't know that >> a person is "helping," me when I'm just doing my thing, and so I >> respond as a "normal," person would to someone who came up out of the >> blue and made a random comment about steps, or the curb, or whatever. >> The other day, someone in the post office thought they were helping by >> repeating everything the clerk said to me after she was done saying >> it. I turned and snapped, "Wait your turn!" and it was only when the >> person in question started yelling at me about how ungrateful I was >> that I remembered that, "Oh yeah; this is probably someone trying to >> help me the blind guy, not talking to me the guy." By then, as in >> numerous other instances, it was already far too late. (Eventually >> they had to call security to get the woman to leave me alone...) >> Whether that's a sign of my near-complete adaptation to blindness, my >> ADHD rearing its ugly head again, or what, I don't know, but I >> personally don't think of myself as disabled, don't act as if I expect >> people to give me a handicap. What would happen if every blind >> person, instead of going out the door with the assumption that "I'm >> blind, and people who come up and talk to me are talking to the blind >> me, not the true me," instead walked out the door with the assumption >> that "I'm just doing my thing, I'm as able as the next person, more or >> less, jus
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
It would figure that it was the NFB. I went to a tech meeting there, and discussed the history of technology. While there they discussed how much the NFB affected technology and used examples, but they forgot to mention other companies; Voiceover, window eyes, speak up, orca, etc. I found it mildly amusing, especially at the end when we were encouraged to bring all our inventions to the nfb because that's apparently how fs has become so popular. I guess in a way it would be, but on the flip side, I'd rather people have a choice in buying my software, not getting it just because it's what all other blind people use and not knowing of other solutions. You have a higher standing with customers that way. On Nov 30, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > My first visit to an Apple store, the guy said "what over? Voice > what? Oh, you mean that speech synthesizer program? we don't have > that." When I showed him VoiceOver, instead of being helpful, he > became defensive; "Well how'm I supposed to know about that? no one's > ever used it before." I'm not sure that buying Jaws or VocalEyes off > the shelf is an answer, but it would certainly be better than having a > go-between decide what we need. Having said that, I believe it was > blind people who told MicroSoft that they didn't want Narrator > developed as a usable screen-reader built into windows, "Because we > need someone like FS to give us what we really need." I believe it > was the NFB who discouraged MS from developing its equivalent of > VoiceOver. > > > Mark BurningHawk Baxter > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > My home page: > http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
I'm not good at covert, except insofar as the art of invisibility is concerned, and for me that has limited applications as of yet. I cannot stand to be disrespected to my face. Only recently have I been able to tolerate having someone be rude to me over the phone or by E- mail and take it with a smile, as you say. even when keeping silent and taking it would be to my great advantage. Mark BurningHawk Baxter Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
it doesn't bother me really. I just laugh and know that I'm at least helping one person, which is what I care about. If the rest want to throw themselves in with the flock and kneel at the feet of the people in NFB, so be it. More power to them. While that might sound arrogant, it's more of a waste of time to try to change mass numbers; I'd rather just tell those my views and hope they share them or have ideas in terms of getting what needs to be done done. On Nov 30, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > I'm not good at covert, except insofar as the art of invisibility is > concerned, and for me that has limited applications as of yet. I > cannot stand to be disrespected to my face. Only recently have I been > able to tolerate having someone be rude to me over the phone or by E- > mail and take it with a smile, as you say. even when keeping silent > and taking it would be to my great advantage. > > Mark BurningHawk Baxter > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > My home page: > http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
in 1990, when OutSpoken for the Mac came out and I was using it at my place of employment, I was asked to demonstrate it as a visually impaired computer users group in Boston, MA. I got up there and demonstrated it with four part harmony and feeling, and the guy from MS got up and started asking me "what can't you do with the mac? are there programs you can't use? tell me about that." I started to say that some programs were inaccessible, and he interrupted me and said "well there you go; it's not a real solution." I blew up at him, called him several names and then asked him to demonstrate how his graphics programs and even some of the mainstream DOS products were not accessible--this is *BEORE* VocalEyes came out, I believe. I was shouted down and told to leave, and take my Mac with me. That's what happens when you think outside the blind box. Mark BurningHawk Baxter Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
non contiguous file selection; can it be done?
Hello there, I was just trying to perform non contiguous file selection and I can't seem to do it. I thought maybe holding down the control key would allow me to arrow through files and press the space bar to select the ones I really wanted. I also tried command+shift+up and down arrow with no success either. Any suggestions what I might try next? thanks. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Now a Mac user!!! Phone +1 (985) 360-3614 E-mail: rforetjr at comcast.net Skype Name: barefootedray -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: old vo manual on accessibility site
Thank you Mark. I personaly don't read Braille but my partner and I are attemping to spread the word about Apple computers and vo. It is our hope to put an Apple in the hands of every blind person who would like, and this information is very helpful. I will forward your info to people whom I hope will find it useful. Thanks again. Aloha, Charlie On Nov 30, 2009, at 11:54 AM, "M. Taylor" wrote: > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: old vo manual on accessibility site
Barbara, I have just learned that Braille manuals for the mac are available from the lighthouse in San Francisco. Here is the information Aloha, Charlie On Nov 30, 2009, at 11:54 AM, "M. Taylor" wrote: > Hello Charlie, > > Here is the contact information for the Lighthouse store from which > you may > purchase Apple user guides. > > Mark > > Lighthouse For The Blind Adaptations Store Info > Adaptations San Francisco > 415) 431-1481 x301 or x305 > 214 Van Ness Ave. > San Francisco, CA 94102 > adaptati...@lighthouse-sf.org > Store hours: > Monday - Friday: 10 am to 5 pm. > Third Saturday of every month: 10 am to 4 pm. > http://www.lighthouse-sf.org/catalog/ > > > -Original Message- > From: Charlie Doremus [mailto:giantdolp...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 2:16 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: old vo manual on accessibility site > > Where is the manual available? > > Aloha, > Charlie > > On Nov 28, 2009, at 11:19 PM, "M. Taylor" wrote: > >> I, too, ordered the Braille manual of 10.6 and am very impressed >> with it. >> >> I love the outstanding customer service of Lighthouse and am glad >> that Apple >> put this product in the hands of a company that knows how to >> distribute it. >> >> Mark >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Les Kriegler [mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 12:45 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: old vo manual on accessibility site >> >> Hi Anouk, >> >> I recently ordered the Using VO with SnowLeopard manual in braille >> and await >> its arrival. Apple has contracted with Lighthouse INternational in >> San >> Francisco, California to [provide this manual in braille. In the >> US, it >> costs $14.95 plus shipping which is almost as much as the cost of the >> manual. >> >> Les >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en >> . >> >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
-- Apple Mail and a Mac Mini Question
Not sure if this was a typo but it's smtp. If you typed it as smpt in your smtp server it won't work. On Nov 30, 2009, at 5:19 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: > Hi, I'm having trouble sending mail on my Mac Mini. I checked the > settings on both my iMac and Mac Mini and both settings for each > account are identical. However, on my Mac Mini, I keep getting a > message that says: "The SMPT server is not responding," or "The SMPT > server has timed out." I've even gone as far as to remove all > accounts from the Mac Mini and redo the accounts over again. I am > receiving mail, but can't send any. I called my Internet provider and > they suggested using just the local server for all accounts to see if > that works. Are there any other possibilities? I checked my wireless > router, and it works like a charm on all the computers in my house, > including my iMac. All software is updated on my Mac Mini, as I have > Leopard installed. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac mini meats the putty knife
Hi Now, here's something I've done quite a few times. The general process of opening up the Mac Mini is as follows: 1. Get a putty knife or other flat instrament. If you don't want to scratch the case, plastic is best although with a stronger metal knife this is actually easier but much more likely to scratch. 2. Slide the putty knife in between the cover and the computer, approximately a quarter inch or so. You'll be able to feel the seem where the cover meets the computer, slide it up in there and begin to move it around. Try not to cut through the foam as much as possible, but move along until you feel a metal clip. At this point, start prying gently outward, i.e. away from the computer so as to release the clip while at the same time pulling up on the cover slightly. You'll know when the clip disengages, repeat this process for all the clips. On my Mini there were eight clips. Once these clips are disengaged it's fairly easy to lift the cover away, though you may have to wiggle it a bit. Now, depending on what you wish to clean there is more to do, and here's where it gets tricky. You have access to the vent already, but if you want to have a look at the processor and its fan you will have to open the Mini further. This gets a bit tricky, and patience is very much a virtue here. Around the bottom edge you will see four screws. Look carefully for them, they are not easy to feel. They're around the bottom ledge, I stress this as there are some screws that are easier to locate but if you unscrew those you'll actually be taking apart the DVD drive, and you probably don't want to be doing that :). Once you've got the screws out, unclip the airport antenna. It looks like a cable with an oddly-shaped plastic clip on the end, simply unclip it from the underside. I have seen some Minis where you need to unclip this antenna before you have access to one of the four screws, however this is not the case on all models. Then, locate the tiny cable in the front that runs from a circular projection (almost looks like a giant watch battery) downward to a connector. Unclip this cable (note, very hard to clip back in unless you have long fingernails or very small hands). Be very careful with this cable, it's fragile and very expensive to replace if you break it. Now, lift the top half away, straight up. Note that it is stil connected by a cable at the rear, this is normal. Do not attempt to force the top part (which has a riser card on the bottom) away at an angle or you will very likely destroy your Mini. Once disengaged although still connected, lay it backward (useful to have a book or something else to keep it level). You now have access to the processor and the cooling system around it. Incidentally, you also now have access to the ram and hard drive if you want to upgrade those. Once cleaned, put the mini back together. Do not forget to clip that cable back in the front, if you forget you will power up your Mini only to find that the fan goes berserk. Push the riser card down gently until it is flat, a little resistance is normal but do not force it. Clip the cable, then screw the four screws back into place (long-handled screwdriver is a must for this part). Clip the airport antenna back into place, and replace the cover. Note, to fit the top back onto the mini, line it up and push it straight down. If all goes well, the cover will simply snap into place and the clips will re- engage. Note that you may want to power up the Mini and make sure everything works before you put the cover back on, it will save a lot of irritation if you put it all back together then have to open it again if something isn't working. Disclaimer, Apple does not recommend this and it will void any warranties you may have, yada yada yada. hth On Nov 30, 2:12 pm, ben mustill-rose wrote: > Hey all. > > Guess who's just been given a mac mini, which quite honestly is the > best computer I've ever touched! However all is not well, this mini > seems to be getting a bit hot and bothered - ie: when doing anything > intense it will get hot then shutdown; I understand this is actually a > feature. > > I want to open the case to try and remove some of the dust that I'm > assuming is the cause of this problem, but I've never delved inside a > mini before so am a little bit warey about how to go about it. > The general concensus seems to be to use a putty knife or 2 or to cut > & strip an ethernet cable then loop the wires around the tabs in order > to release them. However, when I've found posts about how to do this, > they've been quite pictorial so they haven't been that helpfull. > I'd be interested in hearing if any totally blind person has ever > managed to open the g4 1.42 mac mini without scratching it, using > either of the above methods. I should be fine locating everything once > the case is open, its just the actual removal of the casing that is > worrying me a little. > > As always, any response what so ever would be great. > Thanks for
Re: Apple Mail and a Mac Mini Question
You probably checked this, but what about the selection in mailboxes for taking accounts online? good luck, Max On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: > Hi, I'm having trouble sending mail on my Mac Mini. I checked the > settings on both my iMac and Mac Mini and both settings for each > account are identical. However, on my Mac Mini, I keep getting a > message that says: "The SMPT server is not responding," or "The SMPT > server has timed out." I've even gone as far as to remove all > accounts from the Mac Mini and redo the accounts over again. I am > receiving mail, but can't send any. I called my Internet provider and > they suggested using just the local server for all accounts to see if > that works. Are there any other possibilities? I checked my wireless > router, and it works like a charm on all the computers in my house, > including my iMac. All software is updated on my Mac Mini, as I have > Leopard installed. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple Mail and a Mac Mini Question
I did that; still can't send mail. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:34 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: You probably checked this, but what about the selection in mailboxes for taking accounts online? good luck, Max On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: > Hi, I'm having trouble sending mail on my Mac Mini. I checked the > settings on both my iMac and Mac Mini and both settings for each > account are identical. However, on my Mac Mini, I keep getting a > message that says: "The SMPT server is not responding," or "The SMPT > server has timed out." I've even gone as far as to remove all > accounts from the Mac Mini and redo the accounts over again. I am > receiving mail, but can't send any. I called my Internet provider and > they suggested using just the local server for all accounts to see if > that works. Are there any other possibilities? I checked my wireless > router, and it works like a charm on all the computers in my house, > including my iMac. All software is updated on my Mac Mini, as I have > Leopard installed. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium
When I told her I was considering getting an iPhone after the first of the year, she said, "Why wait till then, when it's possible you may get one for Christmas." Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Hey Richie, so now that the iPhone is accessible, what does she think about that? Considering she thought it was possible and now it is, she must be pretty impressed. :) On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:54 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: > Scott, I never would have had my interest peaked about the iPhone, > were it not for my niece, Elisabeth, who had one and though she didn't > show me how to operate it, she thought it could be adapted so that > blind people could use it. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. > > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > > Mark, very interesting. I once was on a flight and this nice young > lady started asking me about my dog. The conversation quickly turned > to questions about being blind, about how I work with computers and > the like and eventually to her showing me an Iphone. THis was before > the iPhone was accessible and even then I thought it was very cool. > The point was she became very interested in me as a person and not > just some blind guy. I think I left her with a very different > perspective and understanding. I think it was one of the most > intelligent convversations I have had in a good while and one where > she really wanted to learn something and share her experiences. So, > instead of seeing me as a disabled person, she saw me as a person with > different abilities than herself and being a fellow Mac user, made for > some really neat conversation. Of course I just knew she was cute and > that didn't hurt either. :) > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:04 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > >> As long as the blind define themselves as "disabled," they will have >> this problem. It's paradoxical, because as I said, I don't really >> like to be around lots of blind people all together in a group, and >> yet we, the blind people, need some sort of cohesive teaching / >> enabling power that will allow us to not be disabled any more. It's >> idealistic as hell to think that every single blind person can escape >> from the disability of blindness without some cohesion, but also it's >> just as dangerous to try and develop a "blind culture," as the deaf >> have done. If we allow others to see us as disabled, then we will >> be, >> but how do you change an attitude which I believe to be literally >> hard- >> wired into the brain stem, which says that if a stranger can't meet >> your eyes, then they are not to be trusted but instead are to be >> ostracized and shunned, cast out? I personally don't have an answer, >> except for myself; I do not allow people to act toward me as if I >> were >> disabled, as much of the time as is feasible. Of course I ask for >> help when I need it, directions or, in the case of a mailing label >> the >> other day, the help of a sighted person to ensure the label she >> printed for me went on right--I'm not naive, but I struggle >> constantly >> to escape from the "disabled box," that people on the street put me >> in. >> >> Growing up as an only child, born blind, with things like Braille a >> fact of life, rather than the exception, in a small town, in a very >> constricted and confined environment where I didn't even need a cane >> to get around, I could literally forget that I was blind--to this >> day, >> when people come up to me and start talking to me like a blind man, >> it >> often takes me a few moments to realize what's happening; until then, >> things people say to me sound nonsensical or outright rude. Until I >> remember that they're talking to my blind eyes, not to the man before >> them. It causes me no end of social hassle because I don't know that >> a person is "helping," me when I'm just doing my thing, and so I >> respond as a "normal," person would to someone who came up out of the >> blue and made a random comment about steps, or the curb, or whatever. >> The other day, someone in the post office thought they were helping >> by >> repeating everything the clerk said to me after she was done saying >> it. I turned and snapped, "Wait your turn!" and it was only when the >> person in question started yelling at me about how ungrateful I was >> that I remembered that, "Oh yeah; this is probably someone trying to >> help me the blind guy, not talking to me the guy." By then, as in >> numerous other instances, it was already far too late. (Eventually >> they had to call security to get the woman to leave me alone...) >> Whether that's a sign of my near-complete adaptation to blindness, my >> ADHD rearing its ugly head again, or what, I don't know, but I >> personally don't think of myself as disabled, don't act as if I >> expect >> people to give me a handicap. What would happen if every blind >> person, instead of going out the door wi
Economics and the Mac
Why not have a provision in the Healthcare Bill, where this would include covering the cost of a screenreader as a medical expense, much in the manner that wheelchairs and certain types of hearing aids are covered? Quite frankly, I don't think it would fly simply because Congress would then come back and say that states should be given the discretion as to what they will or will not cover in their rehab budgets. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Economics and the Mac
Are you kidding? they won't even pay for abortions for women who really need them, I doubt anything funded by *our* government will pay for a screen reader. Mark BurningHawk Baxter Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Economics and the Mac
I have changed the subject line to more reflect on the discussion at hand. If Apple can set aside resources to make their Mac computers universally marketed across the board, there is no reason why Microsoftshouldn't, (and they definitely have the resources and the technical expertise throughout the company) to do so. And if it brings the prices down, and Microsoft does, for example, develop a mechanism by which Windows can be installed out of the box without sighted assistance, companies such as Freedom Scientific would then be forced to either go with the trend; otherwise, they would lose their economic dolars; after all, isn't that what competition for tax dollars and marketshare is all about? In my humble opinion, for what it's worth, the only reason Freedom Scientific survives in the market is because they have contracted with some state agencies and government entities, and we bare the brunt of the expense ineirectly. I paid less for my car than I have for braille displays costing $8000 to $12,000 dollars at a time. In Alaska, for example, the biggest majority of vision loss occurs in the elderly population and baby boomers who are about to reach retirement age. We have no school for the blind in Alaska; therefore, if parents want to send their blind kids off to a residential school, they would have to send them Stateside, which costs the state thousands of dollars which they could probably find other revenues to use elsewhere.There are a handful of us who are blind and visually-impaired Macusers, but that numberis increasing, as the word about VoiceOver gets out. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:21 PM, carlene knight wrote: I know that the companies take huge advantage of the fact that they have a guaranteed nitch and can charge whatever they want. That's why I will not upgrade my JAWS SMA. For one thing I don't need it and secondly, I don't want to pay that kind of price for an upgrade, but FS knows that they can get away with it because of a guaranteed market. I'm not saying things could not change, but simply stating that you can't get JAWS or a Braille display from a home electronics ore software store, and I wouldn't expect to happen any time soon if ever. In their eyes, why should They bother as they won't sell enough of them to make it worth their while. There is a cell phone put out by Capital Accessibility in Europe. I've seen one and it's no big deal. The speech is great, but there is no camera, digital screen, or anything that might ad a bit of a price to the phone. It's built like a brick, but it is over $500 and though the speech is clear, it's very robotic. Tell me that's not ridiculous? I don't know that agencies are responsible for this one, but the phone is so tailored to our needs that somebody will buy it. Not me. Granted, if more people were learning braille and speech software as they were dealing with macular degeneration, and there was a big enough demand for it, things might come down a bit. That's great about the scanner. I'd better stop typing now as I am misspelling more things than I am typing correctly and am about to throw this keyboard, though it's not at fault. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: > With all due respect, that argument has been used time and time > again. To that, I say this: the best example of a product that has > gone down in price because of the acceptance of it by the sighted > community, is the optical scanner, which was originally intended for > use by the blind for scanning newspapers, magazines, and othr > documents in their computers or reading machines. Back then, you had > to pay thousands of dolars for the machine, and ys, state agencies > bought it for us, if we were lucky. Now, one can buy a scanner and to > a certain extent, software for scanning pictures, text, and other > document forms into one's PC, at a fraction of the cost it was in the > 1970's. The point here is that it found a marketable niche among the > sighted community, and once they were mass-produced, prices started > coming down and people could afford said scanners. While braille > displays are another issue, there are companies who are working to > make even displays more affordable and accepting to the universal > design market. In the 1980's, Apple tried an experiment, using an > ordinary, dot matrix printer, to produce braille. It wasn't the best > quality braille, but it was an experiment that, had it been popular, > might have flown. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. > > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 11:50 AM, carlene knight wrote: > > Unfortunately you have to be realistic though. I agree with you in a > sense, but going into a store and buying JAWS or Window Eyes off of > the shelf? That would be nice? that's one reason I like the Mac and > accessories. The people in the Mac and Apple stores will
serching this mac?
hey guys some times i press keys on my mac and v o sais "serching this mac" but what does that mean? and what keys do i press to do this? your help with this would be most welcome!!! kind regards trahern. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: non contiguous file selection; can it be done?
Hi Ray, When you are in a list of files where you want to do a noncontiguous selection, do the following. 1. locate the first file that you want to select and interact with the list and it will be selected. You can verify this with VO+F6. 2. Press VO+shift+F3 to turn cursor tracking off. 3. Hold down the VO keys and move down the list until you get to the next file that you want to select. 4. While still holding down the VO keys, Hold down the command key along with them and press and release the spacebar. This will select the file that you are sitting on. Keep the VO keys down and move on down the list selecting the desired files with command+space until you have all desired files selected. You can check that the desired files are selected with VO+F6. You can press command+C to copy the selected files to the clipboard. Don't do what I usually do and forget to turn cursor tracking back on with VO+shift+F3 when you are all done. Robert Carter On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:59 PM, Ray Foret jr wrote: > Hello there, > > I was just trying to perform non contiguous file selection and I can't seem > to do it. I thought maybe holding down the control key would allow me to > arrow through files and press the space bar to select the ones I really > wanted. I also tried command+shift+up and down arrow with no success either. > Any suggestions what I might try next? thanks. > > > Sincerely, > > The Constantly Barefooted Ray > > Now a Mac user!!! > > Phone > +1 (985) 360-3614 > E-mail: > rforetjr at comcast.net > Skype Name: > barefootedray > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: non contiguous file selection; can it be done?
Hello Ray, Robert did an excellent job summarizing how to do non-contiguous selection in a list. I'll just add that VO-Command-Space is a toggle action -- if you want to undo a selection that you added by mistake (and discovered by reviewing the list of selected files using VO-F6) you can navigate back to the file you want to de-select, press VO-Command-Space again, and then when you review your list of selected items with VO-F6 that file should no longer be listed. VO-Command-Space selects items that are not selected and de-selects items that are selected. The other thing that can be useful in a very long list is locking your VoiceOver keys with VO-semi-colon. Then you move up or down the list with just the up or down arrow keys and select or deselect items by pressing Command-Space bar. To check the selection you just press the F6 key. When you're done, you unlock your VoiceOver keys by pressing semi-colon. This method works to select items in all sorts of lists in addition to files in a Finder list view -- messages in mail, tracks in iTunes, etc. If you want this written out step by step, check my archived post: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg05301.html (Tips on Non-Contiguous Selection) Cheers, Esther Robert Carter wrote: >Hi Ray, > >When you are in a list of files where you want to do a noncontiguous >selection, do the following. > >1. locate the first file that you want to select and interact with the list >and it will be selected. You can verify this with VO+F6. > >2. Press VO+shift+F3 to turn cursor tracking off. > >3. Hold down the VO keys and move down the list until you get to the next file >that you want to select. > >4. While still holding down the VO keys, Hold down the command key along with >them and press and release the spacebar. This will select the file that you >are sitting on. > >Keep the VO keys down and move on down the list selecting the desired files >with command+space until you have all desired files selected. You can check >that the desired files are selected with VO+F6. You can press command+C to >copy the selected files to the clipboard. Don't do what I usually do and >forget to turn cursor tracking back on with VO+shift+F3 when you are all done. > >Robert Carter > > >On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:59 PM, Ray Foret jr wrote: > >> Hello there, >> >> I was just trying to perform non contiguous file selection and I can't seem >> to do it. I thought maybe holding down the control key would allow me to >> arrow through files and press the space bar to select the ones I really >> wanted. I also tried command+shift+up and down arrow with no success >> either. Any suggestions what I might try next? thanks. >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray >> >> Now a Mac user!!! >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: changing the font in a document
Hi Donna, 1. To hear text attributes, control + option + t If in Text Edit, you'll here the size, font family name, and whether the line is aligned left right or center 2. command + t should bring up font choices where you can pick which font family, the size, and I can't recall what other choices. Hope that helps. I've often written to the list for help and I'm just glad I finally can provide some answers so I hope I've helped. Israel Antonio Sexy Isra www.israelantonio.com On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:11 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi all, > > In short, how does one do this? I have incorporated text from 2 > different documents, and want to make sure the font is the same > throughout my final document. I've tried Command-T, but I just get > some weird text underline menu. Thinking about it, I guess my > question is twofold: > 1. How can I hear the text attributes of a given line of text? > and 2. How can I set the whole document to a single font? > > On the positive side, Text Edit didn't hang this time. :) > Thanks, > Donna > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: changing the font in a document
Hi Israel, Thanks! I will try this out in the morning, but I'm sure it will help. thanks for setting me straight on Command-T versus Vo-T. :) Best, Donna On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:22 PM, Israel wrote: > Hi Donna, > 1. To hear text attributes, control + option + t > If in Text Edit, you'll here the size, font family name, and whether > the line is aligned left right or center > > 2. command + t should bring up font choices where you can pick which > font family, the size, and I can't recall what other choices. > > Hope that helps. I've often written to the list for help and I'm > just glad I finally can provide some answers so I hope I've helped. > > > Israel Antonio > Sexy Isra > www.israelantonio.com > > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:11 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> In short, how does one do this? I have incorporated text from 2 >> different documents, and want to make sure the font is the same >> throughout my final document. I've tried Command-T, but I just get >> some weird text underline menu. Thinking about it, I guess my >> question is twofold: >> 1. How can I hear the text attributes of a given line of text? >> and 2. How can I set the whole document to a single font? >> >> On the positive side, Text Edit didn't hang this time. :) >> Thanks, >> Donna >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en >> . >> >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en > . > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Economics and the Mac
I purchased my first Apple computer about three months ago. I will never forget the feeling of complete surprise and joy at being able to just turn the iMac on and get it talking within minutes. Microsoft is not to blame for not having default Windows access out of the box, blind people are to blame. As Mark said, thinking outside the box can get you into hot water. A few years ago on a blindness-related list, I made the cataclysmic mistake of expressing my wish that some day, windows would be accessible out of the box. You would not believe the hate mail I received from tons of blind people basically saying that I wanted a free lunch, I was ungrateful for all the hard work and research of the screen reader companies, etc. etc. Honestly, it was totally shocking to me that I would get such ire for simply suggesting that we ought to have access to something our sighted peers take for granted without having to pay thousands of dollars extra. But, being on this list and seeing all the other blind switchers out there, I feel at least a tiny bit vindicated, as blind people are starting to see the benefits of universal access. I really think it is the young blind people who are going to demand universal access, at least I hope so. They are the ones who are going to benefit most from being able to buy an iPhone or iPod Touch like their peers and just start using the thing, and they are hopefully going to demand more of that. With chips being so cheap now, there is absolutely no reason why universal access cannot be built right into things. The best thing we can all do is to spread the word far and wide about what Apple has been able to accomplish with their products and make them an example of what can be. On Nov 30, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: > I have changed the subject line to more reflect on the discussion at > hand. If Apple can set aside resources to make their Mac computers > universally marketed across the board, there is no reason why > Microsoftshouldn't, (and they definitely have the resources and the > technical expertise throughout the company) to do so. And if it > brings the prices down, and Microsoft does, for example, develop a > mechanism by which Windows can be installed out of the box without > sighted assistance, companies such as Freedom Scientific would then be > forced to either go with the trend; otherwise, they would lose their > economic dolars; after all, isn't that what competition for tax > dollars and marketshare is all about? In my humble opinion, for what > it's worth, the only reason Freedom Scientific survives in the market > is because they have contracted with some state agencies and > government entities, and we bare the brunt of the expense ineirectly. > I paid less for my car than I have for braille displays costing $8000 > to $12,000 dollars at a time. In Alaska, for example, the biggest > majority of vision loss occurs in the elderly population and baby > boomers who are about to reach retirement age. We have no school for > the blind in Alaska; therefore, if parents want to send their blind > kids off to a residential school, they would have to send them > Stateside, which costs the state thousands of dollars which they could > probably find other revenues to use elsewhere.There are a handful of > us who are blind and visually-impaired Macusers, but that numberis > increasing, as the word about VoiceOver gets out. Richie Gardenhire, > Anchorage, Alaska. > > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:21 PM, carlene knight wrote: > > I know that the companies take huge advantage of the fact that they > have a guaranteed nitch and can charge whatever they want. That's why > I will not upgrade my JAWS SMA. For one thing I don't need it and > secondly, I don't want to pay that kind of price for an upgrade, but > FS knows that they can get away with it because of a guaranteed > market. I'm not saying things could not change, but simply stating > that you can't get JAWS or a Braille display from a home electronics > ore software store, and I wouldn't expect to happen any time soon if > ever. In their eyes, why should They bother as they won't sell enough > of them to make it worth their while. There is a cell phone put out > by Capital Accessibility in Europe. I've seen one and it's no big > deal. The speech is great, but there is no camera, digital screen, or > anything that might ad a bit of a price to the phone. It's built like > a brick, but it is over $500 and though the speech is clear, it's very > robotic. Tell me that's not ridiculous? I don't know that agencies > are responsible for this one, but the phone is so tailored to our > needs that somebody will buy it. Not me. Granted, if more people > were learning braille and speech software as they were dealing with > macular degeneration, and there was a big enough demand for it, thing
