Re: [AFMUG] forrest- cambium style sync

[Chuck McCown]

Did you mean thus: “ can be powered by either +48VDC or +48VDC.”

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> On Feb 21, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> This can be powered by either +48VDC or +48VDC.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

[Chuck McCown]

Mechanical or medical problem.

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> On Feb 24, 2020, at 9:10 PM, Robert  wrote:
> 
>  This a/c had radar altimeter...  youtube blancoliro channel for more.
> 
> On 2/24/20 11:17 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
>> You'd never catch me flying in a chopper IFR unelss I had some sort of 
>> terrain following radar or radar altimeter.  Too many wind towers,  
>> powerlines,  and those pesky telecom towers .. 
>> 
>> I've flown with real chopper pilots and they always always are concerned 
>> with towers even though they need to stay above 500ft.  
>> 
>> Imagine fumbling around in this while you can't see a thing outside.  
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> From: "Bill Prince" 
>> To: "af" 
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 2:04:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters
>> 
>> The Sikorsky S-76B is a big bird. Not cheap. Maybe 10 to 13 million 
>> depending on condition.
>> 
>> I suspect this has some parallels to the thing with Bill Graham 20 years ago 
>> or something. I think Graham pressured the pilot to fly even though the 
>> conditions were not very good (awful at that time). They hit power lines in 
>> low visibility. 
>> 
>> Helicopter pilots can sometimes cut corners.
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/24/2020 10:47 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
>> Doubt it.  It was poor decision after poor decision.  Should never have 
>> flown.  Mist rolling in from the hills could obscure things below 1 mile 
>> easily.  Choppers and mountains don't mix with all the updrafts and 
>> unpredictable wind patterns.  ESPECIALLY downdrafts.  (I like to fly the 
>> Huey in DCS and its a pain to land with a slight downdraft)
>> 
>> Most choppers don't have much to navigate IFR other than an NDB if they are 
>> lucky they have a VOR which would require IFR and some preplanning.  
>> Especially in mountains.   I'd assume since he was rich as hell that they'd 
>> have a GPS capable nav air like a GNS 530 (pretty cheap) so it would have 
>> some nav aids but not necessarily terrain loaded.  
>> 
>> It was just dumb to press your luck in an aircraft not designed for IFR "on 
>> the fly" 
>> 
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>> From: "chuck" 
>> To: "af" 
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:03:43 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters
>> 
>> OK, so I am bored.  Hit delete.
>>  
>> The pilot of the helicopter is getting trashed because he asked for SVFR 
>> (special VFR) and got denied on a prior flight.  He proceeded anyway.
>> On the crash flight he asked for VFR flight following.  They denied it due 
>> to his altitude.  I have had that happen to me dozens of times.  It does not 
>> indicate anything other than radar can only see so low. 
>>  
>> 91.155 
>> A helicopter may be operated clear of clouds if operated at a speed that 
>> allows the pilot adequate opportunity to see any air traffic or obstruction 
>> in time to avoid a collision.
>>  
>> 91.157
>> This part allows helicopters to fly SVFR even when flight visibility is 
>> below 1 statute mile when required for other aircraft. 
>> This part also allows helicopters to operate SVFR at night while other 
>> aircraft would have to be IFR certified with an instrument rated pilot.
>> This part allows helicopters to take off or land a helicopter even when the 
>> ground visibility is below 1 statute mile.
>>  
>> On the prior flight people are using to claim he was a bad pilot, he was 
>> proceeding low and slow as allowed but he was in a particular area of 
>> controlled airspace that required permission to do so.  Not that it was 
>> reckless or dangerous.
>> His only other option was trying to file what is called a “pop up” IFR 
>> flight plan.  I have had to do that before when the weather changed.  It is 
>> a pain, takes some radio time to do but it is a legal way forward.  Or he 
>> could have found a place to land perhaps.  He got busted doing what was 
>> probably the safest, but not legal,  thing to do. 
>>  
>> I don’t think this calls his skills into question. 
>>  
>> The ship was flying but doing a rapid turning descent for some time before 
>> the crash. 
>> Either he got really bad vertigo or he was attempting to autorotate due to a 
>> mechanical failure. 
>> I don’t think he got vertigo.  When you are in the clouds you use the 
>> autopilot if you have one.  He had one. 
>> He was a high time IFR rated pilot. 
>> If you hit clouds you mind switches to using the instruments and getting 
>> yourself out of trouble or staying out of trouble.  . 
>>  
>> This was a Sikorsky S-76B  Very large helicopter.  Has an auto pilot and 
>> almost certainly had an auto hover feature due to the fact that it was used 
>> for search and rescue in a prior life.  You can simply stop them and hover 
>> if you find yours

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Chuck McCown]

We are pretty well prepared for the end days in Utah...

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> On Mar 1, 2020, at 5:21 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Must be a Florida thing, or a Walmart thing.  I have not seen news reports 
> anything close to “we are all going to die”.
>  
> And I just stopped at the grocery store, no signs at all of people buying up 
> all the Lysol and Purell.  I did buy a couple of the pump bottles of foaming 
> hand soap we like, but the shelf was full.  News reports have said wash your 
> hands and that it’s good advice for seasonal flu as well, I don’t think 
> that’s doomsday advice.
>  
> I have not checked Walmart, maybe things are all crazy there (as usual).  
> Actually I have to admit that I recently discovered the steaks from Walmart 
> are actually pretty good, they were branded Tyson Fresh Meats.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies
> Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2020 5:53 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>  
> There are only a few things we know for sure.
> 
> 1. It is already in the US
> 2. More people in the US will get it
> 3. More people in the US will die.
> 
> Anything other than this is pure speculation at this point.  We don't know 
> anything about this virus.  Most everything I hear or read about this virus 
> starts off with the equivalent of "WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE".  But if you 
> bother to listen or read the article, it always has "may" or "some experts".  
> The current official incubation period is 2-14 days, but hey lets just report 
> 14 days and base all our models on this and report it as the most likely 
> scenario.  We don't know how long it lives on surfaces.  We don't know how it 
> reacts to UV light.  We don't know how it will do in warm/humid conditions.
> 
> My opinion (just as valid as anyone else's),  This virus has been in the 
> states before the first reported case.  People have had it and recovered 
> thinking it was just the flu. Not everyone exposed is going to get it.  Not 
> everyone who gets it is going to need to be hospitalized.  Not everyone who 
> gets hospitalized will die.
> 
> The media once again is doing us a huge dis-service. They are hyping this 
> thing  way out of proportion.  Was at Wal-mart yesterday. Every can of Lysol 
> or Lysol type of product was gone.  Every package of disinfectant wipes were 
> gone.  Every bottle of any sized hand sanitizer, gone.  Crazy.  The closest 
> reported "maybe" case is over 1300 miles away.  God forbid we get a reported 
> case in Florida, what will happen then?  Going to start burning and looting?
> 
> 
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> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 3:55:47 PM, you wrote:
> 
> I am not a doctor. I don't even play one on TV or any podcasts or blogs. I do 
> pay attention to as much scientifically-based information I can find though.
> This is a pretty good synopsis on our current knowledge without any spin:
> https://www.sciencenews.org/article/what-new-phase-coronavirus-outbreak-united-states-means-you
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 2/10/2020 8:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Nazis are socialists.  Bernie is a socialist.  Therefore Bernie is a Nazi.  
> So the Internet says.
> 
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 10:48 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)
> 
> thats the secret, remember russia shafted the nazis last time... russia is in 
> asia, so russians are asians. Taking them out of the running too Weve 
> said too much
> 
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
> Nazis also hate Communists.  It all fits.
> 
> On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> Im suprised that hasnt gotten traction. This is obviously genetically 
> designed to target Asians. The proof is that 99% of infections are asians. 
> Obviously this is the resurgence of the Nazi party trying to eliminate a 
> majority of the population so they can initiate another run at global 
> domination. My neighbors mom, Karen told me that her friend, carols husband 
> Brad told her that he heard that this is what brexit was all about. Germany 
> and Great Britian are forming an alliance now. Its all hush hush, but there 
> is a shadow government of guess what... Nazis.
> 
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
> You mean.Nazi's created Coronavirus?
> 
> On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> > I'm waiting for Godwin...
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> >> The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a 
> >> "conspiracy".
> >>
> >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the 
> >> whole picture of what happened until more time passes. In the interim 
> >> there's a lot of conflicting information going around. People latch 
> >> onto early bits of infor

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Chuck McCown]

My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys.  He is very alt right 
too.  He might be Alex Jones... I have never seen them both at the same place 
at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all.  

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> On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies  
> wrote:
> 
>  On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and rave here.  Can't do it at 
> home, wife just rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man.  Chuck, I know 
> you are saving me a few $ in therapy.  So, Thank You.   
> 
> 
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> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:
> 
> 
> OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from Washington Post after all), 
> but sounds kind of science-y.
> 
> The novel coronavirus has probably been spreading undetected for about six 
> weeks in Washington state, where the first U.S. death was reported this 
> weekend. A genetic analysis suggests that the cases are linked through 
> community transmission and that this has been going on for weeks, with 
> hundreds of infections likely in the state.
> 
> 
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> 
> Must be a Florida thing, or a Walmart thing.  I have not seen news reports 
> anything close to “we are all going to die”.
> 
> And I just stopped at the grocery store, no signs at all of people buying up 
> all the Lysol and Purell.  I did buy a couple of the pump bottles of foaming 
> hand soap we like, but the shelf was full.  News reports have said wash your 
> hands and that it’s good advice for seasonal flu as well, I don’t think 
> that’s doomsday advice.
> 
> I have not checked Walmart, maybe things are all crazy there (as usual).  
> Actually I have to admit that I recently discovered the steaks from Walmart 
> are actually pretty good, they were branded Tyson Fresh Meats.
> 
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies
> Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2020 5:53 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> 
> There are only a few things we know for sure.
> 
> 1. It is already in the US
> 2. More people in the US will get it
> 3. More people in the US will die.
> 
> Anything other than this is pure speculation at this point.  We don't know 
> anything about this virus.  Most everything I hear or read about this virus 
> starts off with the equivalent of "WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE".  But if you 
> bother to listen or read the article, it always has "may" or "some experts".  
> The current official incubation period is 2-14 days, but hey lets just report 
> 14 days and base all our models on this and report it as the most likely 
> scenario.  We don't know how long it lives on surfaces.  We don't know how it 
> reacts to UV light.  We don't know how it will do in warm/humid conditions.
> 
> My opinion (just as valid as anyone else's),  This virus has been in the 
> states before the first reported case.  People have had it and recovered 
> thinking it was just the flu. Not everyone exposed is going to get it.  Not 
> everyone who gets it is going to need to be hospitalized.  Not everyone who 
> gets hospitalized will die.
> 
> The media once again is doing us a huge dis-service. They are hyping this 
> thing  way out of proportion.  Was at Wal-mart yesterday. Every can of Lysol 
> or Lysol type of product was gone.  Every package of disinfectant wipes were 
> gone.  Every bottle of any sized hand sanitizer, gone.  Crazy.  The closest 
> reported "maybe" case is over 1300 miles away.  God forbid we get a reported 
> case in Florida, what will happen then?  Going to start burning and looting?
> 
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
> 
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
> 
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> 
> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 3:55:47 PM, you wrote:
> 
> I am not a doctor. I don't even play one on TV or any podcasts or blogs. I do 
> pay attention to as much scientifically-based information I can find though.
> This is a pretty good synopsis on our current knowledge without any spin:
> https://www.sciencenews.org/article/what-new-phase-coronavirus-outbreak-united-states-means-you
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 2/10/2020 8:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> 
> 
> Nazis are socialists.  Bernie is a socialist.  Therefore Bernie is a Nazi.  
> So the Internet says.
> 
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 10:48 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)
> 
> thats the secret, remember russia shafted the nazis last time... russia is in 
> asia, so russians are asians. Taking them out of the running too Weve 
> said too much
> 
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> Nazis also hate Communists.  It all fits.
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Chuck McCown]

Not all is lost.  Take some hand sanitizer, mix with a large quantity of salt, 
let settle, filter with a coffee filter and drink.  Guaranteed to make you feel 
better.

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> On Mar 8, 2020, at 7:27 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> 
> welp, guys, was nice knowing you. An amtrak train had apparently stopped in 
> my town with an infected passenger. Thats the end of that. Already took the 
> family out to the garden and put them down, now I just wait for sweet death.
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 3:53 PM James Howard  wrote:
>> Might want to switch to peeing on them to avoid spreading anything.  
>> According to the news stories droplets of saliva and rubbing your eyes are 
>> the ways it gets spread.  Urine might give you even more dominance than spit 
>> anyway.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
>> Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 12:26 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> i lick all my bills to establish dominance
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 12:25 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> 
>> I was paying bills for the business yesterday and must have licked two dozen
>> envelopes.
>> 
>> Afterward, I thought, should I not be doing that?  If so, I wonder if tape
>> or a glue stick or a wet sponge is the way to go.  And then wash your hands
>> after opening all those bills from who knows where.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 11:36 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>> 
>> Coronavirus Passes Over Houses With Chick-Fil-A Sauce Smeared On Door Posts
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Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations

[Chuck McCown]

We will get you some.

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> On Mar 9, 2020, at 8:11 PM, Craig House  wrote:
> 
> Seems
> Like it might be a bit much for my needs.  Do you have any pics of it ?  
> 
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>> On Mar 9, 2020, at 20:58, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> 
>> If you want, we can pull it off the truck. Not sure it still works. You 
>> can have it for the cost of the freight.
>> 
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:56 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations
>> 
>> I just loaded a hydraulic adjustable one on a truck that is going to RB
>> auctions in SLC...
>> 
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Craig House
>> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:25 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations
>> 
>> Cant I'm already pulling a gooseneck with towers sections loaded. Most of
>> the time I just need it for a 24-30" reel. Occasionally I need it for a 5'
>> spool but rarely
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 8:23:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations
>> 
>> For stuff that large I go with a reel trailer.
>> 
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Craig House
>> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:03 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations
>> 
>> Shopping for a reel stand online and I find way more options than I
>> expected. Primarily used for guy wire spools with 5000' so weight is
>> 400-500 lbs. I would like to be able to use them for the occasional 5'
>> spool of 7/8" coax for two way work and for basically anything in between.
>> I've used the traditional cable screw jack stand type in the past with no
>> problem and I have also used a ladder and pipe in a pinch. Does anyone have
>> a preferred type of cable spool stand that they feel is worth
>> recommendation? Primary use would be for 24 - 30" spools of guy wire
>> though.
>> '
>> Craig
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Re: [AFMUG] Another naughty climbing video

[Chuck McCown]

Yeah, that stuff can roll.

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> On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:37 PM, Andreas Wiatowski  wrote:
> 
> 
> Literally makes my stomach turn.  I’m not afraid of heights, but the thought 
> of standing on the slippery x bracing, and balancing with 0 fall arrest. 
>  
> 
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>  
> 
> From: AF  on behalf of "justsumname ." 
> 
> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 at 2:33 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another naughty climbing video
>  
> [EXTERNAL]
> Thanks but I can't watch that sh4t ... omg
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> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 2:13 PM can...@believewireless.net 
>  wrote:
> I wear a harness every time I climb but I've never had an issue where using 
> one saved me or my guys.
> So when I see someone working without a harness, while I feel scared for 
> them, I know the reality is that 99.5%
> of these people will be just fine. 
>  
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 1:02 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
> I wonder how often those guys die...
>  
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 11:50 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:
> Don't try this at home kids... in fact don't try it at all.  
>  
> At least he had his hard hat on.  
>  
> https://youtu.be/VEyofVMEzmA
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Re: [AFMUG] OT military secret things

[Chuck McCown]

There is a photo of a b-52 on one of these wooden test platforms.

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> On Mar 11, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> 
> That looks like a fun job...
> 
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 5:18 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>> You said EMP, I read it as EPMP.  I thought maybe this was a mu-MU-MMUU-MIMO 
>> antenna.  
>> 
>> On 3/11/2020 3:16 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> One of my sons is working on a project for the USAF in NM.  This is an EMP 
>>> test antenna.
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT military secret things

[Chuck McCown]

I asked my son about the bolts in the test stand. This is what he said: 

Yep nuts and bolts. A phenolic resin wood composite. Some newer ones are 
fiberglass. 

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> On Mar 11, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> There is a photo of a b-52 on one of these wooden test platforms.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Mar 11, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> That looks like a fun job...
>> 
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 5:18 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>> You said EMP, I read it as EPMP.  I thought maybe this was a 
>>> mu-MU-MMUU-MIMO antenna.  
>>> 
>>> On 3/11/2020 3:16 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>> One of my sons is working on a project for the USAF in NM.  This is an EMP 
>>>> test antenna.
>>>>  
>>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

[Chuck McCown]

She bounced right back.  Thanks f she had it it was as very mild.

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> On Mar 11, 2020, at 9:48 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> I picked up some AGM batteries at Zeus today, they are made in China.  Am I 
> going to die?  I assumed they ship batteries by boat and by the time they get 
> here any viruses are long dead.
>  
> Chuck, how is your employee I think she was production supervisor or 
> something, who was sick after opening the Chinese PCBs?  My daughter in Maine 
> just texted me she is over a nasty cold.  Sometimes a cold is just a cold.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 10:42 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>  
> yeah, don lemon, i cant watch that guy for more than about 2 minutes, hes so 
> high every night he doesnt even know whats going on,i see him gone the way of 
> that dude that retired on air the other day very soon. 
>  
> On a serious note, we are planning to disinfect anything coming in from 
> anywhere, within reason. I doubt its gonna be an issue, but the amazon 
> warehouse guy probably got it from air freight, so why risk it. I figure a 
> lysol of the box  and contents, but i cant see going much beyond that without 
> destroying electronics.
> I did lysol the shit out of some batteries i got from china off ebay for my 
> dad today, hes 78 and has COPD, so i got that shit pretty wet with lysol. Hes 
> soldering them so any residue will burn off and clear with flux. im not even 
> sure how they got here so fast from china, my tool is still there since 
> january, getting pretty pissed
>  
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:31 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> I was doing some cnMaestro stuff with the TV on in the background and some 
> CNN guy was just going berserk at John Kasich, wouldn’t let him talk.  Is 
> that Don Lemon?  It seems like he really lost it.  Is that what you were 
> referring to?
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:44 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>  
> it was on a teleprompter. that CNN guy is going ballistic about it like it 
> impacted everyone for the misunderstanding. Glad its clarified though
>  
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:41 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
> He might have been attempting to say trade embargo, but had a brain fart.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 3/11/2020 7:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> OK, never mind.  I see this clarification from I think an NYT contributor on 
> Twitter:
>  
> The White House clarifies the president's Europe travel ban "only applies to 
> human beings, not goods and cargo. It tracks very similar to the proclamation 
> issued for China. The people transporting goods will not be admitted into the 
> country, but the goods will be."
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:30 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>  
> Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight?  It is being reported as a 30 
> day European travel ban.  But I heard him say “these prohibitions will not 
> only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, but various other 
> things as we get approval.  Anything coming from Europe to the United States 
> is what we are discussing.”
>  
> He was clearly reading from a teleprompter, so I don’t think he misspoke or 
> ad libbed.
>  
> Does this not sound like all imports from Europe will be blocked, at least 
> for 30 days?  I don’t think we’ve blocked imports from China.  We use 
> equipment that comes from European countries like Ukraine, Hungary, Latvia, 
> etc.  Not sure how this would be implemented or if it makes any sense to 
> block thing imported goods.  Also not sure what the “various other things” 
> would be.  After people, trade and cargo, what else is there?  Internet?
>  
> News reports don’t seem to be interpreting it the way I heard it, so maybe 
> I’m wrong?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

[Chuck McCown]

I went to Walmart to get a new radio for my dump truck.  Wierd feeling like 
everyone was a vector.  I got a couple of plastic sacks from a checkout 
register and used them as gloves.  I was surprised at myself.  Didn’t want to 
touch anything or walk within 10 feet of other people.  

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> On Mar 14, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> 
> Things seem to have calmed down a bit today... I didn't go to any grocery 
> stores, but I went to Mendards, and I'd say there was roughly a quarter as 
> many people on there as on a typical Saturday, and there was very little 
> traffic on the streets for a Saturday. I think we must be too the point where 
> everybody is done hoarding toilet paper and they all went home to hide... or 
> perhaps they just knew the toilet paper was all gone everywhere...
> 
>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:56 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/14/2020 12:01 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>> People are getting serious, took the neice to buy a 9mm  today and people 
>>> are buying guns 2 and 3 at a time. The toilet paper sales are dropping at 
>>> that store and more actual necessities, long term foods, dry goods, etc are 
>>> starting to move. Maybe people are beginning to calm their tits. Or they 
>>> just have more toilet paper than they know what to do with and are starting 
>>> to realize they're hungry. People ought to consider heavy mil contractor 
>>> bags, visqueen and duct tape, cause the coroner won't be doing house calls. 
>>> It sucks that if this goes sideways that the elderly are the impacted. 
>>> Those are the ones with the know how to get by. Half our population doesn't 
>>> even know how to make a ham sandwich
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 1:49 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
 Our store last night was completely out of Bananas, but had all the other 
 fresh fruit/veggies.  
 
 I was also surprised at the number of people taking pictures of the empty 
 toilet paper shelves, not quite sure who they would share them with.  Or 
 in 50 years they can tell their grandkids as they're forcing them to sit 
 through watching their 8 billion pictures 'Remember back in '20 we had 
 that virus scare and people went crazy'  
 
> On 3/14/2020 1:43 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> A local Trader Joe's yesterday.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 3/14/2020 11:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> I won’t go into the grocery stores while the crazies are running amok, I 
>> went in the other day and immediately turned around.  I swear it’s 
>> scarier than the virus.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> But I noticed people didn’t seem to be buying up all the fresh produce.  
>> So now I’m wondering if they were stocking up on potatoes.  Whenever I 
>> buy baking potatoes, I’m amazed how much food you get for 49 cents a 
>> pound.  And you don’t have to freeze or even refrigerate them.  I you 
>> have a bunker, that’s probably where you should be storing your potatoes 
>> anyway.  I think it used to be called a root cellar.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
>> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 1:21 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Yeah, the real preppers be like "I Told Them, I Told Them" from inside 
>> their underground bunker...
>> 
>> On 3/14/20 10:55 AM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
>> 
>> Sadly that meme doesnt show the true preppers they prepped for this long 
>> time ago its these fake preppers messing everything up
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Date: 03/14/20 01:41
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

[Chuck McCown]

He visited a family member that had it.

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> On Mar 16, 2020, at 4:28 PM, James Howard  wrote:
> 
> 
> Did they say how/where he contracted it?
>  
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 4:38 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad
>  
> My county has its first case. The guy works about 5 miles South of my 
> house.
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 1:59 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad
> 
> On 3/16/20 12:05 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> > I was going to comment on the corollary to this, which is how remarkably 
> > resilient the broadband business is to something like this. People still 
> > want/need their internet service. There is some logistical issues for 
> > installers, but they're mostly young...
> >
> 
> Well I got my first business customer affected by coronavirus call.
> Offered them half price for 4 months and revisit it if we're still all
> stuck inside. They're in the hospitality and event planning business
> which has dropped to nothing and they had to lay off all but 2 people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

[Chuck McCown]

Now might be a good time to buy.  If I had pre drop money I would buy Tesla 
right now.

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> On Mar 16, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm now really really really glad I decided to wait to dump a big chunk of 
> change into the index funds.  
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:19 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> Unfortunately we all probably have customers who own or work at bars, 
>> restaurants, hotels or airlines.  Or whose kids are home from school for the 
>> foreseeable future and they can’t find daycare.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> How these people are going to pay their bills if they have no income 
>> (business or personal), I don’t know.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Myself, I need this job, my 401K is toast.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> https://www.gocomics.com/rabbitsagainstmagic/2020/03/16
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
>> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 1:26 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Restaurant wouldnt be all that terrible, lower overhead if you do pickup or 
>> delivery
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:20 PM  wrote:
>> 
>> You don’t own a bar, restaurant, hotel or airline...
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[Chuck McCown]

Really, someone is using my AnimalFarm trademark without permission?

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> On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's at 8 
> central which is 7am my time.  
> 
> Does anyone know if they record these for later playback?   I'm not 
> particularly thrilled about getting up that early, considering I've been on 
> the "go to bed at 4am" schedule recently.
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[Chuck McCown]

Sorry, did not realize it was part of WispAmerica.

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> On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Matt Mangriotis via AF  wrote:
> 
> 
> Chuck – In all seriousness, we don’t mean to offend, knock off or breach any 
> kind of trust...
>  
> This is the WISPAmerica Animal Farm session (a direct descendant of yours and 
> Jaime’s creation).
>  
> Everyone is welcome. If you’ve not attended the last couple of years, I 
> always give you credit during my introduction.
>  
> Matt
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:53 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>  
> I got a big angry lawyer letter for sharing a Moto/Cambium firmware link.  We 
> should start a club :)
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
>  
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:51 AM  wrote:
> It was first held at the Airport Hilton, it was called AnimalFarm and that 
> suggestion came from Jaime.  It was later held at several other venues.  It 
> was only the latter days where it was held at the fairpark.
> 
> Motorola expressly and specifically disavowed any connection with AnimalFarm 
> but they did send people.  I tried to get Mot to sponsor a users group 
> meeting during the Tucson channel partner meetings and Mot said legally 
> there were too many problems.
> 
> So, I took it upon myself to rent the conference room and invite everyone to 
> come.  We were the pigs taking over the farm from the farmer.  Thus 
> AnimalFarm.  And thus trademarked by WB Manufacturing as it was our trade 
> show and our main means of marketing each year.
> 
> But not the first time I have been knocked off by Mot and its descendants... 
> At least WispAmerica asked permission...
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Matt Mangriotis via AF
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:10 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Cc: Matt Mangriotis
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
> 
> Someone??? It's me, Chuck!
> 
> We've called it Animal Farm since it was held at the Utah State Fairpark... 
> you used to join us and speak about the history, etc. I miss that.
> 
> In any case, we've virtualized it this year. As such, we'll record it and 
> post it to our forum.
> 
> If you'd like to attend, please visit our website to see what we're doing to 
> virualize the WISPAmerica experience (and sign up to attend): 
> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispamerica2020/
> 
> Thanks!
> Matt
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow
> 
> Really, someone is using my AnimalFarm trademark without permission?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's at 8 
> > central which is 7am my time.
> >
> > Does anyone know if they record these for later playback?   I'm not 
> > particularly thrilled about getting up that early, considering I've been 
> > on the "go to bed at 4am" schedule recently.
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

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ton, it was called AnimalFarm and 
>>>>> that 
>>>>> suggestion came from Jaime.  It was later held at several other venues.  
>>>>> It 
>>>>> was only the latter days where it was held at the fairpark.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Motorola expressly and specifically disavowed any connection with 
>>>>> AnimalFarm 
>>>>> but they did send people.  I tried to get Mot to sponsor a users group 
>>>>> meeting during the Tucson channel partner meetings and Mot said legally 
>>>>> there were too many problems.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, I took it upon myself to rent the conference room and invite everyone 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> come.  We were the pigs taking over the farm from the farmer.  Thus 
>>>>> AnimalFarm.  And thus trademarked by WB Manufacturing as it was our trade 
>>>>> show and our main means of marketing each year.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But not the first time I have been knocked off by Mot and its 
>>>>> descendants... 
>>>>> At least WispAmerica asked permission...
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message- 
>>>>> From: Matt Mangriotis via AF
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:10 AM
>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>> Cc: Matt Mangriotis
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>>>> 
>>>>> Someone??? It's me, Chuck!
>>>>> 
>>>>> We've called it Animal Farm since it was held at the Utah State 
>>>>> Fairpark... 
>>>>> you used to join us and speak about the history, etc. I miss that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In any case, we've virtualized it this year. As such, we'll record it and 
>>>>> post it to our forum.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you'd like to attend, please visit our website to see what we're doing 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> virualize the WISPAmerica experience (and sign up to attend): 
>>>>> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispamerica2020/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> Matt
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>> Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>>>> 
>>>>> Really, someone is using my AnimalFarm trademark without permission?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> > On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>>>>> >  wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's 
>>>>> > at 8 
>>>>> > central which is 7am my time.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Does anyone know if they record these for later playback?   I'm not 
>>>>> > particularly thrilled about getting up that early, considering I've 
>>>>> > been 
>>>>> > on the "go to bed at 4am" schedule recently.
>>>>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Android Tablet

[Chuck McCown]

I love my surface.

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> On Mar 25, 2020, at 8:45 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> I can't from personal experience, but my son has a Samsung Galaxy Tab, I
> don't know which model, it's 1-2 years old.  I know he falls asleep a lot
> and it drops on the floor so it must not be very fragile.  Only complaint is
> the speaker volume only goes as high as adequate, you're not going to have a
> whole room of people listening to it.
> 
> Reviewers seem to love the Surface series, even to the point of saying that
> Apple is coming around to realizing that Microsoft actually got some things
> right, like people actually do want keyboards, trackpads and styluses.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:29 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Android Tablet
> 
> Can anyone recommend a cost effective android tablet that wont fall apart?
> I love my iPad but bit expensive to throw around in work vehicle.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

[Chuck McCown]

They think that is too much effort 

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> On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> If they could print a PDF, they could text it to you.
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 3/25/2020 3:25 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless.  I suggested they 
>> email the scale ticket to the driver.  They don’t want to attempt to load in 
>> all the different drivers’ cell phone numbers.  If there is a way using 
>> bluetooth or something to just display the scale info without too much setup 
>> it could work.  If a driver gets stopped by the highway patrol, if they have 
>> a scale ticket that is fairly fresh they will not have their weight 
>> questioned.  So while not a legal requirement to have a scale ticket it is 
>> good to have one.
>>  
>> But if you are making lots of trips each day the papers build up.  Like to 
>> make it easy to just zap the info to something on the drivers’ phone.  The 
>> UHP said they would be fine with something on the phone. 
>>  
>> Gotta make it easy to integrate with their front office scale ticketing 
>> software. 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

[Chuck McCown]

Getting out of the truck to go into the scale shack is a big part of the 
problem.  And having a bunch of sheets of paper in the cab is a problem too.

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> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Seems like we’re overthinking it.  What exactly is the problem with the 
> current system?
>  
> Is it the wasted paper?  I think someone suggested recycling the old slips.  
> Maybe they just need a bin for the drivers to throw the old slips in.
>  
> Look how hard it is to get doctors and lawyers to stop using FAX.  And if you 
> suggest eFAX, it’s like you farted in church.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:33 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone
>  
> They think that is too much effort 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> If they could print a PDF, they could text it to you.
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 3/25/2020 3:25 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless.  I suggested they 
> email the scale ticket to the driver.  They don’t want to attempt to load in 
> all the different drivers’ cell phone numbers.  If there is a way using 
> bluetooth or something to just display the scale info without too much setup 
> it could work.  If a driver gets stopped by the highway patrol, if they have 
> a scale ticket that is fairly fresh they will not have their weight 
> questioned.  So while not a legal requirement to have a scale ticket it is 
> good to have one.
>  
> But if you are making lots of trips each day the papers build up.  Like to 
> make it easy to just zap the info to something on the drivers’ phone.  The 
> UHP said they would be fine with something on the phone. 
>  
> Gotta make it easy to integrate with their front office scale ticketing 
> software. 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

[Chuck McCown]

That would be perfect.

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> On Mar 25, 2020, at 10:21 PM, Timothy Steele  wrote:
> 
> 
> Why not an NFC setup?
> 
> Have then attache an NFC button to their cell phone case
> 
> have that NFC programmed to transfer Truck info on tap
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 11:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> Seems like we’re overthinking it.  What exactly is the problem with the 
>> current system?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Is it the wasted paper?  I think someone suggested recycling the old slips.  
>> Maybe they just need a bin for the drivers to throw the old slips in.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Look how hard it is to get doctors and lawyers to stop using FAX.  And if 
>> you suggest eFAX, it’s like you farted in church.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:33 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> They think that is too much effort 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If they could print a PDF, they could text it to you.
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>>  
>> On 3/25/2020 3:25 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> 
>> I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless.  I suggested they 
>> email the scale ticket to the driver.  They don’t want to attempt to load in 
>> all the different drivers’ cell phone numbers.  If there is a way using 
>> bluetooth or something to just display the scale info without too much setup 
>> it could work.  If a driver gets stopped by the highway patrol, if they have 
>> a scale ticket that is fairly fresh they will not have their weight 
>> questioned.  So while not a legal requirement to have a scale ticket it is 
>> good to have one.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> But if you are making lots of trips each day the papers build up.  Like to 
>> make it easy to just zap the info to something on the drivers’ phone.  The 
>> UHP said they would be fine with something on the phone. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Gotta make it easy to integrate with their front office scale ticketing 
>> software. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

[Chuck McCown]

Great ideas from everyone.  I am leaning more towards an app.  Like self 
checkout.  Hit the button, select the type of material and it registers the 
load with the office.

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> On Mar 26, 2020, at 8:13 AM, Brian Webster  wrote:
> 
> 
> Google Voice lets you text from your account using the web browser. Scale 
> house can set up a free Google Voice account. You can text with pictures or 
> other mms content. Could the scale operator just ask for the phone number 
> using the intercom, type it in and hit send? Bluetooth is going to be a 
> problem. Drivers won’t have it turned on, crappy phones won’t connect to it 
> etc. I like the taking the picture of the monitor especially if the monitor 
> is displaying a QR code. Weight would be there, truck number and a QR code 
> link to the official ticket record if they really need it. Put up a big 
> enough monitor so the driver can take the picture right from the cab. 
> Wondering if the electronic log systems could not have a camera installed to 
> take the picture or scan the QR code and have it automatically entered in to 
> their logs. The same camera could be used and left running as a dash cam as 
> well in case there are ever any accidents.
>  
> Thank you,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>  
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 9:30 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone
>  
> I like Carls idea the best - any modern phone will read the QR code.  Have it 
> translate to a URL with the PDF?
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
>  
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 8:44 AM Carl Peterson  
> wrote:
> Have them scan a QR code that brings up their ticket 
>  
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 5:28 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
> Getting out of the truck to go into the scale shack is a big part of the 
> problem.  And having a bunch of sheets of paper in the cab is a problem too.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Seems like we’re overthinking it.  What exactly is the problem with the 
> current system?
>  
> Is it the wasted paper?  I think someone suggested recycling the old slips.  
> Maybe they just need a bin for the drivers to throw the old slips in.
>  
> Look how hard it is to get doctors and lawyers to stop using FAX.  And if you 
> suggest eFAX, it’s like you farted in church.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:33 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone
>  
> They think that is too much effort 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
>  
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> If they could print a PDF, they could text it to you.
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 3/25/2020 3:25 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless.  I suggested they 
> email the scale ticket to the driver.  They don’t want to attempt to load in 
> all the different drivers’ cell phone numbers.  If there is a way using 
> bluetooth or something to just display the scale info without too much setup 
> it could work.  If a driver gets stopped by the highway patrol, if they have 
> a scale ticket that is fairly fresh they will not have their weight 
> questioned.  So while not a legal requirement to have a scale ticket it is 
> good to have one.
>  
> But if you are making lots of trips each day the papers build up.  Like to 
> make it easy to just zap the info to something on the drivers’ phone.  The 
> UHP said they would be fine with something on the phone. 
>  
> Gotta make it easy to integrate with their front office scale ticketing 
> software. 
>  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[Chuck McCown]

I did do homework and science projects for troglodytes for money.

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> On Mar 29, 2020, at 11:29 AM, justsumname .  wrote:
> 
> 
> I came from a family background of various starvationings.  Now the democrat 
> party calls me a domestic terrorist but they still want my money and they 
> don't care about my life.
> Nobody ever picked me except to do their school work for them.
> 
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> 
>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 1:08 PM  wrote:
>> Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering:
>>  
>> Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes were assigned 
>> the task of picking people for their teams, how near the front were you 
>> picked?
>>  
>> I was frequently next to last.  Better than being last. 
>> The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives.  Multiple 
>> spouses, menial jobs etc. 
>>  
>> Who won?
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Chuck McCown]

I used to just run 240vac.  

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> On Mar 31, 2020, at 6:58 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> 
> That's not a bad idea either.
> 
> On 3/31/2020 8:47 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>> We've used MSTs on towers and buildings. 
>> https://www.commscope.com/product-type/cabinets-panels-enclosures/closures-terminals/fiber-access-terminals/itemmst-04mh00-b2000u/
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:58 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>> Isn't it a 4-pin power connector?
>>> 
>>> 2 pairs of 16 gauge ought to be sufficient.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/30/2020 11:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>> > I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i 
>>> > guess it could make sense.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Earthquakes

[Chuck McCown]

It is the end times.

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> On Mar 31, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
> 
> Salt lake city last week, Boise today, They're getting close to that 
> Geo-lock at Yellowstone and unleashing pandemonium.  At least i think that's 
> what the movies call it.
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Re: [AFMUG] Porn for Chuck

[Chuck McCown]

Some serious filtering going on.  I counted 32 cavities.  8 per filter.  Might 
have needed so many due to using ceramic resonators rather than helical or 
quarter wave cavities.  They could have probably made do with half that number 
but the case would have been twice that deep,

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> On Mar 31, 2020, at 7:30 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> https://youtu.be/eIcLvF2C8eM?t=833
> 
> (Link to start of undressing part)
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Re: [AFMUG] Meanwhile Vivint is ceasing wireless in our area..

[Chuck McCown]

Vivian then could not make it work well in our area.

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> On Mar 31, 2020, at 7:35 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> 
> https://venturebeat.com/2020/03/31/atts-39ghz-spectrum-win-sets-stage-for-national-3gbps-5g-service/
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Re: [AFMUG] Porn for Chuck

[Chuck McCown]

Overkill imho.  They could have done it with foil and a piece of wood and it 
would have worked the same.  You don’t want any unwanted coupling from one 
cavity to the next but it doesn’t take much.

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> On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:43 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> I was wondering why they used so many screws.  Are they worried about gaps 
> forming between the cavities and the housing?
> 
>> On 4/1/2020 11:11 AM, Christopher Tyler wrote:
>> Who want's to bet he ends up with "extra" screws when it goes back together?
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Out of band access best practices

[Chuck McCown]

What does that cost?

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> On Apr 5, 2020, at 1:20 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> 
> We have four cameras and NVR on a Cradlepoint under T-Mobile.   Test speeds 
> over 50 most of the time.  No issues with cameras even PTZ is responsive...in 
> place since 2018.
> 
>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 10:24 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>> how do u get through cellular nat? 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 8:14 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>>> We use cradle point ARC CBA850. Very stable solution and has always worked 
>>> for OOB.
>>> 
 On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:16 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
 awesome, good info.
 
 hologram might not be the cheapest, but they have one of the easiest ways 
 to punch through the cellular nat...
 
 1NCE looks amazing but how do you get sims? they don't ship to usa...
 
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:25 PM  wrote:
> FYI, there are lots of other IoT SIM providers. For example 1NCE is 10 
> euros for 10 years with 500 MB of data. Top ups are 10 euros per 500 MB. 
> Global coverage. Disclaimer: haven't used it.
>  
> There are others at a buck or two per month for larger data amounts. 
> Apparently T-Mobile has an unlimited IoT SIM for $25/year capped at 64 
> kbps.
>  
> Jared
>  
>  
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020
> From: "TJ Trout" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Out of band access best practices
> All,
>  
> I bought some opengear acm's that I am working on deploying. 
>  
> I have options for oob IP and or console access. 
>  
> Wondering what you guys do / best practices. 
>  
> I think I will use hologram.io cellular because I can access the acm by 
> tunneling through their nat. 
>  
> Alternative might be a $10 DSL connection.
>  
> The idea here is being able to troubleshoot core routing equipment during 
> an outage when I'm off net or even on net but no ip access. 
>  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT... Sunday brunch

[Chuck McCown]

Mad I sure miss potatoes.

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> On Apr 5, 2020, at 1:25 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> 
> Enjoy...I did..
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Tower Rope Suggestions?

[Chuck McCown]

I just ask the guys at the rock climbing outfitters.  They have always fixed me 
up with stuff that works well.

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> On Apr 6, 2020, at 8:26 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> 3/8 kernmantle.  We do have some throw bags of lighter “accessory cord”, I 
> think 7 mm.
>  
> I’m not familiar with that brand.  When I started out buying rope I bought 
> some “dual braid” and it was bad stuff.  I forget the brand, maybe Samson.  
> But it got all kinky.  If Mark vouches for that particular rope, it’s good.
>  
> Personally I like Sterling SuperStatic.  One decision is whether you like 
> nylon or polyester rope.  Some people will only use polyester (e.g. Sterling 
> HTP) for static rope applications because it has lower elongation.  
> Personally I find it too stiff and too abrasive and prefer nylon.
>  
> If you look at the working load limit (WLL) which is typically 1/10 of the 
> breaking strength, a 3/8 inch or 10 mm rope is fine unless you are hanging 12 
> foot dishes or something.  I think the main reason to have a 1/2 inch rope is 
> for rescue where it needs to hold the weight of two people.  Or maybe for 
> rappelling down a tower with a descender, which I think is also supposed to 
> be done with a second rope for fall protection.
>  
> But I have a garbage can with 900 feet of 1/2 inch rope and it’s 
> prohibitively heavy.  No tower climber is going to want to pull that up the 
> tower as he climbs.  You will have to start with a lighter rope and use a 
> capstan to pull up the heavy rope.  You don’t appreciate just how heavy a 1/2 
> inch rope is until you try using one.  Mark mentions 5/8, I don’t like to 
> even think about that.
>  
> But yes, 3/8 inch is the sweet spot.
>  
> I have now told you more than I know about ropes, so take with a grain of 
> salt.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Tushar Patel
> Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 8:39 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Rope Suggestions?
>  
> Good suggestion Mark,
>  
> Thank you.
>  
> Tushar
>  
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2020 7:51 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Rope Suggestions?
>  
> I would actually go lower diameter at 3/8”Unless you are pulling up the 
> tower itself 5000’ is plenty strong and considerably lighter than the 1/2” or 
> the 5/8”.  
>  
> The one you linked to is a good rope.   I think we have the 3/8” as our main 
> haul line.
>  
> We have heavier 1/2" and 5/8” ropes for climbing ropes.
>  
> Mark
>  
> 
> On Apr 6, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
>  
> I am in the market to buy 1200 ft long double braid rope for pulling a load 
> up the tower using capstan etc.
>  
> Any suggestions on the brand and the size (1/2 or 5/8)?
>  
> Following?
>  
> https://www.gmesupply.com/lifting-rigging/pelican-load-pro-double-braid-rope
>  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

[Chuck McCown]

Not sure I believe N Korea.

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> On Apr 8, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Robert  wrote:
> 
>  But the whole world hasn't miffed this thing..   S. Korea, N. Korea, New 
> Zealand, Arab States, partially Japan, some of the russian federation states, 
> all managed to deal with it up front.  IF you got out in front of it, it was 
> manageable..
> 
> On 4/8/20 3:39 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> Jaime,
>> At the risk of breaking Lent, you gotta steel yourself man. 
>>  
>> Just like learning a dear friend or relative has a terminal illness, you 
>> have to mentally prepare for 4 more years of a “very stable genius” with the 
>> “best words”. 
>>  
>> Sorry dude...  I am a Romney man...
>>  
>> (But to address the link you sent, I don’t think we have done any worse than 
>> Italy, France or Iran...  the whole world has muffed this thing).
>>  
>> From: Jaime Solorza
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:30 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT masks
>>  
>> https://kvia.com/your-voice-your-vote/politics/2020/04/08/cnn-poll-majority-of-americans-now-say-the-federal-government-has-done-a-poor-job-of-preventing-coronavirus-spread/?fbclid=IwAR0UNYN4lz7YUfj1mKlgKXQk1_7ETsC6jQwsLNIJ3-Qto3ZnT1cJb_uh_Eg
>>  
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 7:44 PM  wrote:
>>> Put on gloves and a mask to pick up a few things at the grocery store.  
>>> Walked in and there was a construction worker in a mask, then a soccer 
>>> mom then a skinny redneck, with his skinny redneck wife.  Started 
>>> clucking like a chicken when he saw me and his wife was taking a video.  
>>> Was not quite calling me a chicken loud enough that I could clearly make 
>>> out exactly what he was doing, but was grandstanding for his skanky 
>>> woman
>>>  
>>> Funny how fast my natural pugilistic nature of my youth sprung into action. 
>>>  I literally had to stop myself from backing him into a display of pork and 
>>> beans with some comments of “you got a problem with me”.  Visions of a 
>>> throat punch were clear in my head...
>>>  
>>> But I calmed myself, reminded myself that going to jail or the ER or a 
>>> dentist would not be fun this evening, and moved alone.  Ran into a handful 
>>> of other chickens on the way out the store. 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT...new toy

[Chuck McCown]

Very interested in the outcome.

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> On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> 
> Let's see how well it works
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT youtube hell

[Chuck McCown]

Removing bullets.

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> On Apr 11, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> What do you need lidocaine for?
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 4/11/2020 1:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> Stuck in youtube hell this afternoon. 
>>  
>> It brought up this on the side.  Made me laugh.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA-q4pXd0Pk
>>  
>> Why did I immediately think of Steve when I saw the title?
>> Sorry Steve.
>>  
>> My problem is a lack of the raw materials and not sure where to get them.  
>> Probably online.
>> Maybe a seedy store somewhere.
>>  
>> I would like to have a stockpile of lidocaine. 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Morning work 2

[Chuck McCown]

How does it work?

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> On Apr 11, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT youtube hell

[Chuck McCown]

Finally panned back far enough to see the bass player.

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> On Apr 11, 2020, at 3:35 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> 
> something from 2017...
> https://youtu.be/BYPELiqVdFE
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 2:25 PM  wrote:
>> Stuck in youtube hell this afternoon. 
>>  
>> It brought up this on the side.  Made me laugh.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA-q4pXd0Pk
>>  
>> Why did I immediately think of Steve when I saw the title?
>> Sorry Steve.
>>  
>> My problem is a lack of the raw materials and not sure where to get them.  
>> Probably online.
>> Maybe a seedy store somewhere.
>>  
>> I would like to have a stockpile of lidocaine. 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT youtube hell

[Chuck McCown]

The vacuum filter was interesting.  I don’t like nor do I know much about 
chemistry.

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> On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:10 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> 
> The materials are available. Look to homade soap makers.
> 
> I like how he pointed out that you really want unused lubes, I'm wondering if 
> the brown glob was revision 1 footage.
> 
> You could make this a good sub q injectable with an insulin needle. 
> 
> There's a burn gel product that has good amount of lidocaine in it. It's got 
> a blue and red logo. Its lidocaine in a water suspension, I'm betting it 
> would break out really good.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 5:51 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> What concentration do you need?  Up to 5% is available OTC.  For removing 
>> bullets though you probably want an injectable not a numbing gel.  And I 
>> don’t think I’d want to be injecting someone with your Breaking Bad freebase 
>> lidocaine.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 5:19 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT youtube hell
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Removing bullets.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> What do you need lidocaine for?
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>>  
>> On 4/11/2020 1:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> 
>> Stuck in youtube hell this afternoon. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> It brought up this on the side.  Made me laugh.
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA-q4pXd0Pk
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Why did I immediately think of Steve when I saw the title?
>> 
>> Sorry Steve.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> My problem is a lack of the raw materials and not sure where to get them.  
>> Probably online.
>> 
>> Maybe a seedy store somewhere.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I would like to have a stockpile of lidocaine. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT youtube hell

[Chuck McCown]

What were the explosives?   Nowadays that would get you on some kind of watch 
list X

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> On Apr 12, 2020, at 6:00 AM, can...@believewireless.net 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I think chemistry is incredibly cool mainly for Breaking Bad-type 
> applications like this one.
> However, it wasn't my forte even though I won my high school science fair for
> "How to Make Explosives Out of Household Chemicals."
> 
>> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 12:38 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> The vacuum filter was interesting.  I don’t like nor do I know much about 
>> chemistry.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:10 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> The materials are available. Look to homade soap makers.
>>> 
>>> I like how he pointed out that you really want unused lubes, I'm wondering 
>>> if the brown glob was revision 1 footage.
>>> 
>>> You could make this a good sub q injectable with an insulin needle. 
>>> 
>>> There's a burn gel product that has good amount of lidocaine in it. It's 
>>> got a blue and red logo. Its lidocaine in a water suspension, I'm betting 
>>> it would break out really good.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 5:51 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>> What concentration do you need?  Up to 5% is available OTC.  For removing 
>>>> bullets though you probably want an injectable not a numbing gel.  And I 
>>>> don’t think I’d want to be injecting someone with your Breaking Bad 
>>>> freebase lidocaine.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 5:19 PM
>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT youtube hell
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Removing bullets.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> What do you need lidocaine for?
>>>> 
>>>> bp
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> On 4/11/2020 1:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Stuck in youtube hell this afternoon. 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> It brought up this on the side.  Made me laugh.
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA-q4pXd0Pk
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Why did I immediately think of Steve when I saw the title?
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry Steve.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> My problem is a lack of the raw materials and not sure where to get them.  
>>>> Probably online.
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe a seedy store somewhere.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> I would like to have a stockpile of lidocaine. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Chuck McCown]

You can pick your friends.
And you can pick your nose. 
But you can’t pick your friend’s nose.

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>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Up your nose with a rubber hose.
> -Vinny Barbarino
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 8:43 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>  
> Doesn't matter what you touch as long as you wash your hands after any 
> potential contact. You could stick your finger up an infected person's nose, 
> and as long as you washed your hands, you are cool.
> 
> I am not advocating that (just in case someone misinterprets what I'm saying).
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 4/12/2020 2:56 PM, Robert wrote:
> Depends upon what he touched on the outside.  Anything the customer may have 
> sneezed/coughed/touched spit even took a deep heavy breath on could have 
> enough of this nasty if he didn't immediately sanitize after touching and 
> getting back into his vehicle and spreading it around.  Touch his face with 
> an infected hand/glove and he's on the merry-go-round..  Touch his truck and 
> someone else touches it..  Less likely but possible.   3-7 DAYS on metal 
> surfaces is really bad if not sanitized.   Door bells are a bad thing..  
> Gates are a bad thing..  
> 
> On 4/12/20 2:15 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> If Steve’s tech really never went inside and came no closer than 10 feet to 
> anyone, do you think the tech should still quarantine for 14 days?
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:04 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>  
> This is exactly why our company stopped all in person customer interactions 
> on March 16th.
>  
> Customers lie or don’t know they even have it, then your tech gets infected 
> along with their whole family, then the rest of your crew.
>  
> NO ONE SHOULD BE GOING INTO ANYONE ELSES HOUSE FOR A COUPLE MONTHS.
>  
> We are only doing service calls if we can fix it from the outside.  Internet 
> is not worth someone  dying over!
>  
> -Sean
>  
>  
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:17 PM Steve Jones  wrote:
> Im so pissed right now. Tech had a No Line Of Site wednesday. apparently 
> customer got tested on, positive result today. My guess would be he was 
> symptomatic wednesday if it was bad enough for a test the next day. I fin out 
> he was already on quarantine wednesday, im going to probably lose my stuff. 
> He answered negative to the questionnaire. The tech has been anal about this 
> since day one. We went no touch last monday officially. he had no contact 
> closer than 10 feet. Never went inside. sanitizes constantly. But we have no 
> choice but to go down a tech for 14 day quarantine. We are closed tomorrow 
> for a video-conference to regroup. Tuesday we will probably be sanitizing 
> everything. 
> there is little to no chance the tech caught it. he is writing down arrival 
> to exit to help him remember if there is any chance of contamination. 
> We have to try to get the health department to give us clear guidance on 
> company operations over the next 2 weeks.
> If this guy lied on the questionnaire .. Ill probably end up in jail. We 
> have too much going on to be a man down, much less a whole company down. If 
> he got my installer sick, and lied on the questionnaire, kunkgflu will not be 
> his primary concern anymore
>  
>  
>  
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:18 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
> You can get around the paywall using the Brave browser.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 4/12/2020 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Interesting long article in today’s New York Times Sunday magazine on the 
> case of James Cai, a physician’s assistant and the first coronavirus case in 
> New Jersey.
>  
> Yeah, yeah, yeah, NYT, biased liberal elite east coast mainstream media fake 
> news … get over it, this article is not political.  I am however reading the 
> print version and while I Googled for a link to the online version it might 
> be behind a paywall, or maybe they will let you read a limited number of 
> articles free, I don’t know.
>  
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/magazine/first-coronavirus-patient-new-jersey.html
>  
> The story leaves you both hopeful and pessimistic.  He got some treatments 
> other than what the hospital wanted to use, but only through extensive 
> intervention from doctor friends and people who read about him online.  He 
> did recover.  Some of the nonstandard treatments may have worked.  But you or 
> I probably wouldn’t have gotten them.  You realize how difficult it is to get 
> something like remdesivir given the approvals needed.  And the push to 
> intubate rather than have you breathe the virus on hospital staff, even if 
> it’s maybe not the best treatment.  And how doctors and hospitals were slow 
> to realize this disease was different.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 10:43 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Mi

Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Chuck McCown]

You can pick your friends.
And you can pick your nose. 
But you can’t pick your friend’s nose.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Up your nose with a rubber hose.
> -Vinny Barbarino
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 8:43 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>  
> Doesn't matter what you touch as long as you wash your hands after any 
> potential contact. You could stick your finger up an infected person's nose, 
> and as long as you washed your hands, you are cool.
> 
> I am not advocating that (just in case someone misinterprets what I'm saying).
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 4/12/2020 2:56 PM, Robert wrote:
> Depends upon what he touched on the outside.  Anything the customer may have 
> sneezed/coughed/touched spit even took a deep heavy breath on could have 
> enough of this nasty if he didn't immediately sanitize after touching and 
> getting back into his vehicle and spreading it around.  Touch his face with 
> an infected hand/glove and he's on the merry-go-round..  Touch his truck and 
> someone else touches it..  Less likely but possible.   3-7 DAYS on metal 
> surfaces is really bad if not sanitized.   Door bells are a bad thing..  
> Gates are a bad thing..  
> 
> On 4/12/20 2:15 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> If Steve’s tech really never went inside and came no closer than 10 feet to 
> anyone, do you think the tech should still quarantine for 14 days?
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:04 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>  
> This is exactly why our company stopped all in person customer interactions 
> on March 16th.
>  
> Customers lie or don’t know they even have it, then your tech gets infected 
> along with their whole family, then the rest of your crew.
>  
> NO ONE SHOULD BE GOING INTO ANYONE ELSES HOUSE FOR A COUPLE MONTHS.
>  
> We are only doing service calls if we can fix it from the outside.  Internet 
> is not worth someone  dying over!
>  
> -Sean
>  
>  
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:17 PM Steve Jones  wrote:
> Im so pissed right now. Tech had a No Line Of Site wednesday. apparently 
> customer got tested on, positive result today. My guess would be he was 
> symptomatic wednesday if it was bad enough for a test the next day. I fin out 
> he was already on quarantine wednesday, im going to probably lose my stuff. 
> He answered negative to the questionnaire. The tech has been anal about this 
> since day one. We went no touch last monday officially. he had no contact 
> closer than 10 feet. Never went inside. sanitizes constantly. But we have no 
> choice but to go down a tech for 14 day quarantine. We are closed tomorrow 
> for a video-conference to regroup. Tuesday we will probably be sanitizing 
> everything. 
> there is little to no chance the tech caught it. he is writing down arrival 
> to exit to help him remember if there is any chance of contamination. 
> We have to try to get the health department to give us clear guidance on 
> company operations over the next 2 weeks.
> If this guy lied on the questionnaire .. Ill probably end up in jail. We 
> have too much going on to be a man down, much less a whole company down. If 
> he got my installer sick, and lied on the questionnaire, kunkgflu will not be 
> his primary concern anymore
>  
>  
>  
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:18 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
> You can get around the paywall using the Brave browser.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 4/12/2020 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Interesting long article in today’s New York Times Sunday magazine on the 
> case of James Cai, a physician’s assistant and the first coronavirus case in 
> New Jersey.
>  
> Yeah, yeah, yeah, NYT, biased liberal elite east coast mainstream media fake 
> news … get over it, this article is not political.  I am however reading the 
> print version and while I Googled for a link to the online version it might 
> be behind a paywall, or maybe they will let you read a limited number of 
> articles free, I don’t know.
>  
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/magazine/first-coronavirus-patient-new-jersey.html
>  
> The story leaves you both hopeful and pessimistic.  He got some treatments 
> other than what the hospital wanted to use, but only through extensive 
> intervention from doctor friends and people who read about him online.  He 
> did recover.  Some of the nonstandard treatments may have worked.  But you or 
> I probably wouldn’t have gotten them.  You realize how difficult it is to get 
> something like remdesivir given the approvals needed.  And the push to 
> intubate rather than have you breathe the virus on hospital staff, even if 
> it’s maybe not the best treatment.  And how doctors and hospitals were slow 
> to realize this disease was different.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 10:43 PM
> To: AnimalFarm M

Re: [AFMUG] OT dinner

[Chuck McCown]

10 years plus, taste like new.

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>> On Apr 16, 2020, at 8:26 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Chuck, I thought of you and your Vienna sausages when I read this article.
>  
> https://www.nytimes.com/article/expiration-dates-coronavirus.html
>  
> “So long as there is no outward sign of spoilage (such as bulging or rust), 
> or visible spoilage when you open it (such as cloudiness, moldiness or rotten 
> smells), your canned fruits, vegetables and meats will remain as delicious 
> and palatable as the day you bought them for years (or in the case of, say, 
> Vienna sausages at least as good as they were to begin with)."
>  
> I think they’re saying Vienna sausages can’t go bad, because they were never 
> really good to begin with.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:30 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT dinner
>  
> Indoor smoking, I like it
>  
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020, 7:49 PM  wrote:
> I put some chunks of hickory in the bottom of a deep cast iron pan.  Put a 
> perforated rack over it, then cooked chicken breast then another frying pan 
> inverted over the whole mess. 
>  
> Fire on high for about 15 minutes.  Yummy smoked chicken for tacos.  Smoke 
> alarms still have not gone off.  My wife thought I was crazy when I started 
> it.  She liked the outcome.  Our exhaust fan does not move anywhere enough 
> air to do this very often. 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Workers Comp problem

[Chuck McCown]

I would guess Carol used the swamps.

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> On Apr 17, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> 
> Does he get the free end of the world government cash too while off for this? 
> the guy may be putting a down payment on his new mansion with all the free 
> money hes looking at.
> 
> we were by the balls when our guy broke his ankle from improperly operating a 
> ladder. Do you tell him to come back on light duty and risk him "aggravating" 
> the injury? Guys like this are a risk, and ive never met one that was worth 
> the risk of forcing back, they all know lawyers numbers, and youre an evil 
> business owner putting your profits above the well being of the poor working 
> man. At least thats what those lawyers are good at convincing juries full of 
> housewives. And oh boy, to fire or otherwise mistreat a guy in the middle of 
> the apocalypse, theyll vote you off the island in a heartbeat
> 
> We ate the cost for a year. cost less in the long run.
> 
> Also, sometimes an address gets texted. And sometimes a guy milking a bum 
> finger overdoses on his opiates in his sleep. Sometimes a guy isnt a problem 
> anymore. sometimes a paypal account gets some money in it. Sometimes a guy 
> might just call Carol Fucking Baskin to feed a guy to a tiger too
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 5:31 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>> I wonder how strong those opioids are.  
>> 
>> On 4/17/2020 6:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> One of my guys decided to put his fingers between a trailer lunette ring 
>>> and a pintle hitch.  Crushed two of them pretty bad.  Lost some skin.  Had 
>>> to have some parts re attached etc.
>>>  
>>> That was two weeks ago.  He has been no call no show ever since.  Does not 
>>> return calls from the workers comp person.  He told his supervisor the the 
>>> doctor said he cannot work.  I called the doctors' office.  They said no 
>>> using that hand until it is better and no driving when taking the 
>>> opioids
>>>  
>>> I have a company van that drives around town picking up these guys and 
>>> hauling them to the shop each morning.  So he does not have to drive...
>>>  
>>> WC said do not fire him until he comes back to work.  He is malingering.  
>>> He is milking it. 
>>> Not sure what I can or should do.  We did do a write up and his supervisor 
>>> said he needs to sign it.  Not sure if he saw it or not...
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Roku

[Chuck McCown]

Yep.  All are working fine now.  Seems time of day related.

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> On Apr 18, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> 
> Did you power cycle chuck? Did you?
> 
>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 10:07 AM  wrote:
>> I did that a few days ago.
>> I am just wondering if perhaps the Hulu-Roku servers are seeing heavy demand.
>>  
>> From: can...@believewireless.net
>> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:04 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Roku
>>  
>> Go into settings and see if there is an update available maybe?
>>  
>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 10:48 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>> Strange - I'm using Hulu on my Roku right now.
>>>  
 On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 10:47 AM  wrote:
 For some reason, for the past few days, Roku does not want to display Hulu 
 or Amazon but Netflix works.
 I can get both Prime and Hulu on the computer.  Pretty sure it is not the 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

[Chuck McCown]

The main curves were similar to what we are seeing.

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> On Apr 20, 2020, at 6:02 PM, Robert  wrote:
> 
>  And it went from winter of 1917 through summer in 1918 with summer 1917 
> almost dying away due to better results in warm weather than Covid-19.  The 
> burst back in 1918 was apparently pretty nasty..
> 
> On 4/20/20 4:51 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> Just look at the Spanish flu curves.  They had no vaccine.  They conquered 
>> it by quarantine and social distancing. 
>>  
>> From: Robert
>> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 5:37 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>  
>> Then you don't understand social distancing and herd immunity.   This is 
>> just moving the infection rate out into the future spread over a much longer 
>> range.   We still get infected to 70-80% before herd immunity kicks in about 
>> 2-3 months _before_ the current schedule of vaccine availability.   1/2 over 
>> will be 3-4 months from now.  Now if someone comes out with a vaccine, 
>> different ball game.   Oh and the ebola anti-viral...  Gilead is testing 
>> with the best case possible patients.   And results so far don't show 
>> anything better with those cases than leaving the patients alone.   Sounds 
>> like Gilead is doing everything they can to make it sound like their stuff 
>> is a winner without actually proving it...
>> 
>> On 4/20/20 8:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> I look at the curve and say we are half over. 
>>>  
>>> From: Ken Hohhof
>>> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM
>>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>  
>>> That probably is (modestly) good news.  But how anyone can look at that 
>>> curve and say it’s over, I don’t know.  That curve is probably dominated by 
>>> the early hit densely populated areas like New York, where they are still 
>>> only slightly off the peak death rate and are still piling bodies in 
>>> refrigerated trucks at hospitals.  And the nursing homes and prisons.  It 
>>> hasn’t even begun to sweep over the less dense areas with no hospitals, 
>>> that will be the long tail of the curve.  Then we find out if we screwed up 
>>> and brought a big second wave.
>>>  
>>> Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected and dying, 
>>> dealing with patients dying on every shift, worrying about infecting their 
>>> families.  If this is still coming in waves 1-2 years from now, we aren’t 
>>> going to have any doctors and nurses.  Who would do that job long term, 
>>> even if they don’t get sick and die?  As various people have pointed out, 
>>> this may be a war, but even soldiers aren’t asked to put their family’s 
>>> lives at risk.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:21 AM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>  
>>> Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...
>>>  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

[Chuck McCown]

I love it when he eats the spider.

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> On Apr 20, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> 
> yes, her. I love that lady. I think she has a collection of solutions in 
> vials just in case. like in 12 monkeys
> 
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 9:24 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>> Deborah Birx.
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/20/2020 6:07 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> > lady with fauci 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] billing

[Chuck McCown]

Not wanting to shake his tree.

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> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:37 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Plus I thought Charles Wu was a hydroponic farmer.  OK, that’s old, checking 
> LinkedIn, he’s now a Cannabis Strategist.
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/charles-wu
>  
> Maybe he’s a joker, a smoker, and a midnight toker.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 10:03 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing
>  
> Bertram bought powercode, they are the current owner. It had changed hands 
> many times since inception, but bertram has been in it for the long haul
>  
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020, 9:42 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> I never heard that, are you sure?  I thought Powercode came out of Bertram.  
> Same WISP that I think bought the remnants of Trango, I could be 
> misremembering that last part.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 8:03 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing
>  
> Is Charles Wu still a powercode owner?
>  
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 6:58 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing
>  
> I used Plat years ago and was happy with it. 
> So glad to hear you are happy with Sonar. 
> Simon is a standup guy. 
>  
> From: Sean Heskett
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 6:55 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing
>  
> Sonar is awesome, you won't be disappointed.
>  
> we started with platypus, moved to powercode, it was an upgrade from plat but 
> was way too clunky and at the time powercode couldn't do RADIUS so, after 18 
> months of trying to make our business model fit to the powercode way we moved 
> to Sonar and haven't looked back. 
>  
> Sonar is very forward thinking with their service and they have just about 
> every integration under the sun you could think of (text to customer, fleet 
> tracking, preseem QoS, snail mail marketing etc.)
>  
> -Sean
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5:59 PM  wrote:
> I will probably be launching a new network this calendar year.  So at some 
> point I will once again have to try to choose the best billing platform. 
>  
> Leaking toward Sonar.  Have used Plat in the past.  Is Powercode still alive?
> Opinions?
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Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

[Chuck McCown]

Part 101 has spectral efficiency rules that most part 15 type radios cannot 
achieve.

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> On Apr 26, 2020, at 7:17 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> 
> Is there a reason that can't be changed to accommodate radio?
> 
> Why can't it all just be part 101?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Tim Hardy" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 7:14:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum
> 
> Actually, they are eligible but only in the same areas that other Part 101 
> licensees would be eligible.  They are not eligible under Part 74.
> 
> On Apr 26, 2020, at 8:10 AM, Tim Hardy  wrote:
> 
> Radio is not eligible for 7 GHz
> 
> On Apr 25, 2020, at 8:56 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Shouldn't they be in 7 GHz?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Caleb Knauer" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 4:46:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum
> 
> The majority of broadcast TV and radio STL replacements I've been
> involved with have been 6Ghz due to distances to transmitter towers
> and fade margins.  Those aren't going away, and they have a pretty big
> voice with the feds.  AFC feels like it could be quite the boondoggle.
> But we shall see.
> 
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:39 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> >
> > But unlike 11/18/23 GHz it can be used for PTP links >10 miles based on 
> > rain fade characteristics.  And there are many existing links.  Just saying 
> > your spectrum would be nice for indoor WiFi doesn’t make them go away, and 
> > the service carried on those existing links is often critical traffic.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 10:29 PM
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum
> >
> >
> >
> > Honestly I think that 6ghz licensed is becoming less practical. As more and 
> > more fiber is run to the tower the 6ghz band would be much more better 
> > utilized for last mile PTMP and indoor wifi.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 10:30 PM Tim Reichhart 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > I dont think it was WISPA I think other companies had there fingers in it 
> > WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: "Matt Hoppes" 
> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> > Date: 04/23/20 10:14
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum
> >
> > So did WISPA make this happen?  Or was it the millions these companies 
> > dropped that made it happen?
> >
> >
> > On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Eric Nielsen  wrote:
> >
> > The primary influencers behind the rule change are some small, no-name 
> > companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, Broadcom. I doubt you've heard of 
> > them. They're interested in unlicensed 6GHz for the indoor low power 
> > (WiFi6) usage.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm certain they've dropped millions lobbying for this.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:45 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
> >
> > There must be some ulterior motive here there is no way that the FCC out of 
> > the goodness of their heart provided more unlicensed spectrum to the common 
> > man/small business.
> >
> >
> >
> > So the question is who can utilize this spectrum?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:35 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:
> >
> > FCC has total authority over these bands.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:29 PM Kurt Fankhauser  
> > wrote:
> >
> > How can the FCC make spectrum available for un-licensed without an act of 
> > Congress?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Erich Kaiser  
> > wrote:
> >
> > yes you are right.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Erich Kaiser
> >
> > North Central Tower
> >
> > er...@northcentraltower.com
> >
> > Office: 815-570-3101
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> >
> > More like 4.9 to 7.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
> > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum
> >
> >
> >
> > Two of the UNII  bands are heavily used for licensed PTP and I mean 
> > heavily, so really if the AFC system works correctly most of the spectrum 
> > proposed will likely be unuseable outdoor.  I feel like from a reliability 
> > standpoint it will be tough to count on a system that uses AFC in general.  
> >  What about the Antenna being used on these APs are they going to be able 
> > to cover the entire band from 5Ghz to 6Ghz efficiently?  Just thinking...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Erich Kaiser
> >
> > North Central Tower
> >
> > er...@northcentraltower.com
> >
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Dang, not normal

[Chuck McCown]

The women are there and more prominent then in times past but they still cannot 
hold the priesthood.  So until that changes it will be run mostly by white old 
men.

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> On Apr 26, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Robert  wrote:
> 
>  Good group to rely on, but women?
> 
> On 4/26/20 10:22 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> Here is the roster of the 14 guys at the top and their former professions:
>>  
>> Russell M. NelsonFamous heart surgeon
>> Dallin H. OaksJustice of Utah Supreme Court
>> M. Russell BallardBallard Motor Company – Businessman
>> Jeffrey R. HollandPresident BYU
>> Henry B. EyringPresident Ricks – Harvard Business School alum, his 
>> dad was a famous Physicist
>> Dieter F. UchtdorfSenior VP of Flight Operations Lufthansa  Former 
>> fighter pilot
>> David A. BednarPresident Ricks (BYU Idaho)  Business school professor
>> Quentin L. CookCorporate Attorney
>> D. Todd ChristoffersonCorporate Attorney
>> Donale RasbandBusiness Executive
>> Gary E. Stevenson Business Executive
>> Dale G. RenlundCardiologist, Professor, Medical Director
>> Gerrit W. Gong.Professor – Political science  US State Department
>> Ulisses Soraes Auditor
>>  
>> Note:  Not a single doctor of theology or philosophy...
>>  
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 11:12 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Dang, not normal
>>  
>> I think we are pretty good at top down organization and rule following.  The 
>> LDS church has a huge amount of sway over the state government.  Actually at 
>> all levels.  The good thing is that the upper echelons of the LDS church is 
>> populated by highly educated people.  The president of the church is a 
>> former world renown heart surgeon.   If he mentions something, people 
>> listen... kinda like Charles Schwab.
>>  
>>  
>> From: Robert
>> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 11:01 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Dang, not normal
>>  
>> Utah seems to be far ahead of the curve...   Yep the mormons understand 
>> disease...  
>> 
>> On 4/26/20 9:16 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> Because 100% of deaths in Utah are tested for Coronavirus...
>>>  
>>> From: Robert
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 10:07 AM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Dang, not normal
>>>  
>>> There was just an interesting article written that lamented how inaccurate 
>>> coroners have been on cause of death for the whole existence of coroners... 
>>>   Like 50% accurate.   Why would they get better now?
>>> 
>>> On 4/26/20 8:23 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
 There is so much we don't know for a number of frustrating reasons. One is 
 the asymptomatic infection problem, and how long that lasts. The other is 
 that the symptoms are "similar" to the flu, and sometimes other things. 
 One headline that caught my attention this morning is that Santa Clara 
 County had 29 people listed as "dying of flu-like symptoms", and 9 
 (roughly 1/3) have been reclassified as COVID-19 after they tested for the 
 virus.
 
 I snipped this from the article, and it pretty well sums up the situation 
 at present:
 
 “We’ll never, ever know how many people contracted the coronavirus in San 
 Clara County or California or the U.S. That ship has sailed. Even 
 self-reporting would be inherently inaccurate or impossible,” Santa Clara 
 County Supervisor Dave Cortese said. “Our only hope of getting a decent 
 history of it is by counting the dead. I’m really disappointed that 
 coroners all over the country haven’t done a better job. They’ve been 
 signing death certificates as strokes or heart attacks or natural causes.”
 
  
 
 bp
 
 
 On 4/26/2020 8:12 AM, Robert wrote:
> Does it bug anyone else that this "doctor" says that we aren't treating 
> this like other epidemics and quarantining the sick, when Covid-19 IS NOT 
> LIKE OTHER epidemics.   It has a 2-10 day period of being contagious 
> _without_ symptoms. 
>  I was agreeing with him up until that point.  
> Then he goes into the NY numbers and he does the same extrapolation 
> of the testing vs sick numbers that many have done before ( including 
> myself ) which is BAD Science.   It's not a good test case to extrapolate 
> to the gen pop from, because the testing has not been randomly done 
> across gen pop!   The people who get tested typically are those who 
> exhibit symptoms.   This may under guess the number who have gotten it OR 
> over guess, but it's still NOT science.  
>  He also neglects the effect of the quarantine actions on the results 
> of the number of cases in his region.   Gee wilikers I want to hear the 
> same information done from actual scientific method testing.   Then he 
> says "hundreds of thousands of deaths which were inaccurate"...   Um we 
> are over 54

Re: [AFMUG] OT Dang, not normal

[Chuck McCown]

Louisiana surprised me.  Not many things do they excel in.  Propositional 
ending intentional...

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> On Apr 26, 2020, at 11:44 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> Utah is up there, but not in the lead. Rhode Island is #1 in testing, 
> followed (in order) by New York, Massachusetts, Louisiana, then Utah.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 4/26/2020 9:57 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> Why is utah so for ahead on the testing? Is it something to do with 
>> Mormonism and the teamwork thing or unrelated?
>> 
>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020, 11:16 AM  wrote:
>>> Because 100% of deaths in Utah are tested for Coronavirus...
>>>  
>>> From: Robert
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 10:07 AM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Dang, not normal
>>>  
>>> There was just an interesting article written that lamented how inaccurate 
>>> coroners have been on cause of death for the whole existence of coroners... 
>>>   Like 50% accurate.   Why would they get better now?
>>> 
>>> On 4/26/20 8:23 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
 There is so much we don't know for a number of frustrating reasons. One is 
 the asymptomatic infection problem, and how long that lasts. The other is 
 that the symptoms are "similar" to the flu, and sometimes other things. 
 One headline that caught my attention this morning is that Santa Clara 
 County had 29 people listed as "dying of flu-like symptoms", and 9 
 (roughly 1/3) have been reclassified as COVID-19 after they tested for the 
 virus.
 
 I snipped this from the article, and it pretty well sums up the situation 
 at present:
 
 “We’ll never, ever know how many people contracted the coronavirus in San 
 Clara County or California or the U.S. That ship has sailed. Even 
 self-reporting would be inherently inaccurate or impossible,” Santa Clara 
 County Supervisor Dave Cortese said. “Our only hope of getting a decent 
 history of it is by counting the dead. I’m really disappointed that 
 coroners all over the country haven’t done a better job. They’ve been 
 signing death certificates as strokes or heart attacks or natural causes.”
 
  
 
 bp
 
 
 On 4/26/2020 8:12 AM, Robert wrote:
> Does it bug anyone else that this "doctor" says that we aren't treating 
> this like other epidemics and quarantining the sick, when Covid-19 IS NOT 
> LIKE OTHER epidemics.   It has a 2-10 day period of being contagious 
> _without_ symptoms. 
>  I was agreeing with him up until that point.  
> Then he goes into the NY numbers and he does the same extrapolation 
> of the testing vs sick numbers that many have done before ( including 
> myself ) which is BAD Science.   It's not a good test case to extrapolate 
> to the gen pop from, because the testing has not been randomly done 
> across gen pop!   The people who get tested typically are those who 
> exhibit symptoms.   This may under guess the number who have gotten it OR 
> over guess, but it's still NOT science.  
>  He also neglects the effect of the quarantine actions on the results 
> of the number of cases in his region.   Gee wilikers I want to hear the 
> same information done from actual scientific method testing.   Then he 
> says "hundreds of thousands of deaths which were inaccurate"...   Um we 
> are over 54K deaths and the curve ISN'T going down.  It seems to have 
> leveled off but is still going strong.   In basically 1.5 months.  We are 
> 1/4+ the way to the model with social distancing.   Without social 
> distancing we could start making a gain on the other models.   I 
> think this is yet another example of someone, this time a doctor, who 
> looks at the results of successful social distancing and says it's 
> overreaction.   And then he talks about 0.1% of death and then 92% 
> recovery.   Um doesn't that sound like 8% who DON'T recover?   And if you 
> throw 8% at the hospitals of the population in a much shorter time from 
> not social distancing, what happens to the hospitals? Sorry but this 
> is an "agenda" again...
> 
> IT'S NOT LIKE THE FLU!
> 
> On 4/26/20 7:34 AM, James Howard wrote:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfLVxx_lBLU&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2Z1n4E0sxMyXc82UZxrXNKJqf9oaC_kF53Be6NZaVPnuP8jwTDKxk5w4g
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
>> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 8:13 AM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Dang, not normal
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Steve, the usual solution is for nervous dwelling beings to engage in 
>> “spring cleaning”, to the annoyance of all other dwelling beings.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> https://www.gocomics.com/breaking-cat-news/2020/04/26
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Dang, not normal

[Chuck McCown]

Prepositional...

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> On Apr 26, 2020, at 12:20 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Louisiana surprised me.  Not many things do they excel in.  Propositional 
> ending intentional...
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2020, at 11:44 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Utah is up there, but not in the lead. Rhode Island is #1 in testing, 
>> followed (in order) by New York, Massachusetts, Louisiana, then Utah.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/26/2020 9:57 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>> Why is utah so for ahead on the testing? Is it something to do with 
>>> Mormonism and the teamwork thing or unrelated?
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020, 11:16 AM  wrote:
>>>> Because 100% of deaths in Utah are tested for Coronavirus...
>>>>  
>>>> From: Robert
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 10:07 AM
>>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Dang, not normal
>>>>  
>>>> There was just an interesting article written that lamented how inaccurate 
>>>> coroners have been on cause of death for the whole existence of 
>>>> coroners...   Like 50% accurate.   Why would they get better now?
>>>> 
>>>>> On 4/26/20 8:23 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>>> There is so much we don't know for a number of frustrating reasons. One 
>>>>> is the asymptomatic infection problem, and how long that lasts. The other 
>>>>> is that the symptoms are "similar" to the flu, and sometimes other 
>>>>> things. One headline that caught my attention this morning is that Santa 
>>>>> Clara County had 29 people listed as "dying of flu-like symptoms", and 9 
>>>>> (roughly 1/3) have been reclassified as COVID-19 after they tested for 
>>>>> the virus.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I snipped this from the article, and it pretty well sums up the situation 
>>>>> at present:
>>>>> 
>>>>> “We’ll never, ever know how many people contracted the coronavirus in San 
>>>>> Clara County or California or the U.S. That ship has sailed. Even 
>>>>> self-reporting would be inherently inaccurate or impossible,” Santa Clara 
>>>>> County Supervisor Dave Cortese said. “Our only hope of getting a decent 
>>>>> history of it is by counting the dead. I’m really disappointed that 
>>>>> coroners all over the country haven’t done a better job. They’ve been 
>>>>> signing death certificates as strokes or heart attacks or natural causes.”
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> bp
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 4/26/2020 8:12 AM, Robert wrote:
>>>>>> Does it bug anyone else that this "doctor" says that we aren't treating 
>>>>>> this like other epidemics and quarantining the sick, when Covid-19 IS 
>>>>>> NOT LIKE OTHER epidemics.   It has a 2-10 day period of being contagious 
>>>>>> _without_ symptoms. 
>>>>>>  I was agreeing with him up until that point.  
>>>>>> Then he goes into the NY numbers and he does the same extrapolation 
>>>>>> of the testing vs sick numbers that many have done before ( including 
>>>>>> myself ) which is BAD Science.   It's not a good test case to 
>>>>>> extrapolate to the gen pop from, because the testing has not been 
>>>>>> randomly done across gen pop!   The people who get tested typically are 
>>>>>> those who exhibit symptoms.   This may under guess the number who have 
>>>>>> gotten it OR over guess, but it's still NOT science.  
>>>>>>  He also neglects the effect of the quarantine actions on the 
>>>>>> results of the number of cases in his region.   Gee wilikers I want to 
>>>>>> hear the same information done from actual scientific method testing.   
>>>>>> Then he says "hundreds of thousands of deaths which were inaccurate"...  
>>>>>>  Um we are over 54K deaths and the curve ISN'T going down.  It seems to 
>>>>>> have leveled off but is still going strong.   In basically 1.5 months.  
>>>>>> We are 1/4+ the way to the model with social distancing.   Without 
>>>>>> social distancing we could start making a gain on the other models.  
&g

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

[Chuck McCown]

100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted you to 
hear.  Things are much better now.

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> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie  
> wrote:
> 
> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private 
> corporations though, especially in situations like this.
> 
>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free speech 
>> protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and 
>> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.  
>> 
>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the constitution 
>> says.
>> 
>> YMMV
>> 
>> -Sean
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the stifling of 
>>> free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time with things the 
>>> left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the fringe at both 
>>> sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to lent now.
>>> 
 On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:
 Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the process 
 that resulted in that was?
 
 On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it 
> down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up 
> as opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.
> 
> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with the 
>> "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty refreshing, 
>>> and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.
>>> 
>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
 Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated 
 like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is 
 just about dead, put another nail in the coffin..
 
> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million 
> confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the 
> iceberg, and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 
> 50-80 million. I don't believe the number is actually that high, but 
> I would believe something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still 
> just speculation.
> 
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be 
>> optimistic about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now 
>> they mainly have ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful 
>> if 70-80% of the people die.  They keep doing that because it’s the 
>> textbook therapy for respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.  
>> Even if it were working, ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t 
>> reverse the disease, they are just a measure to get you oxygen while 
>> your body hopefully fights the infection.  And then you have the 
>> people experiencing kidney failure and needing dialysis, they’re not 
>> sure if the damage is permanent.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to 
>> treat it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was 
>> that even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many 
>> challenges including the sensitization problem), then they have to 
>> scale up vaccine production.  Right now most vaccines are just for 
>> each new wave of schoolchildren, this would have to be for the 
>> entire population.  And not in chicken eggs, it would have to be in 
>> big vats.  And the interesting part is they could repurpose 
>> fermentation tanks used for things like brewing beer.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a 
>> meaningful way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit. 
>> Remember, the goal was to flatten the curve; it wasn't necessarily 
>> going to reduce the number of infections. I get the impression that 
>> the

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

[Chuck McCown]

So, did he get in?

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> On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Good luck.  I had my first bad experience today at a grocery store with a guy 
> being a huge jerk.  I hope this was an isolated case.
>  
> Many of the stores here are separating the entrance and exit, limiting the 
> number of people in the store, marking 6 ft lines at registers and one way 
> arrows on alternating aisles.  Some are giving each person a cart whether 
> they need one or not because that is how they count how many people are in 
> the store (Home Depot is even doing this).  Many are also using tape or cones 
> to guide people into the entrance in case there is a line.  The one I stopped 
> at today is the first one that was requiring shoppers to wear masks, the 
> state order only requires a mask in places where you can’t do social 
> distancing.
>  
> Anyway, some guy came up right after me and disregarded all of the above.  
> Jumped the cones at the entrance, didn’t have a mask, wouldn’t take a cart, 
> and elbowed his way past me trying to escape the greeter who was telling him 
> that he needed to wear a mask and shouting for a manager.  When I angled my 
> cart to block his path he started shouting that’s assault, that’s assault.  
> Given that he was pushing between me and the shelves to squeeze past and 
> refusing to follow the store’s social distancing rules, it really seemed like 
> he was the one doing the assaulting.
>  
> Hey, this is the only store I’ve been to that actually requires anyone other 
> than employees to wear face masks.  But it’s their store, their rules.  If I 
> didn’t already have my mask with me, I would have left and not tried to force 
> my way in.  Nobody else in the store seemed to have any issues, they were 
> peacefully shopping.  The one-way aisles still mess people up, but just 
> because they’re new and confusing.
>  
> As things start selectively opening up, I hope this tiny minority doesn’t 
> mess things up for everyone.  I think a lot of things could open up, with 
> appropriate modifications.  But not if somebody wants to express their rights 
> by coughing and sneezing on others.
>  
> I assume these are the “ugly Americans” who refuse to follow local custom by 
> taking off their shoes or covering their heads when visiting churches of 
> other faiths or traveling overseas.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 4:55 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>  
> Work in progress...WiFi, LTE, 5G, Stereo Infrared cameras and infrared 
> illuminator to kill virus... ventilation and Tecate dispenser in the works .
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/HU859ujjL89Vpxzi6
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[AFMUG] OT wildlife

[Chuck McCown]

Saw a juvenile cougar outside.  Pretty cool sight.  Neighbor reports a deer 
killed by cougar in his yard.
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Re: [AFMUG] M-TOW Question

[Chuck McCown]

Yes

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> On Apr 30, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
> 
> I'm working with a tower with Angle Iron Legs.
> 
> The M-TOW-P bolt spacing fits around the the angle just fine.
> 
> Is the M-TOW-ANGLE-P2 horizontal bolt spacing the same as a normal M-TOW-P?
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] af11x

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Thanks.

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> On May 8, 2020, at 11:01 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> 
> The kit is available with high band duplexers. 
> 
> But yeah, last I checked, the AF11 is still only in stock anywhere in kit 
> form, so it makes sense to just go with the Ubiquiti dishes (which should be 
> fine for 7 miles anyway), So you'd be at about $3200 for the hardware (2 kits 
> plus two more duplexers to do mimo). If I remember correctly, coordination 
> and licensing was somewhere around $1600 on the last link we did, so you'll 
> probably end up right around $5K total.
> 
> I haven't ever had any problem finding an open frequency, but that completely 
> depends on the area.
> 
>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 6:15 PM Jason Wilson  
>> wrote:
>> Additionally if you get a high band allotment you’ll need new duplexes all 
>> the way around. 
>> 
>>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 3:48 PM Jesse DuPont  
>>> wrote:
>>> Yes. The AF11x "kit" (two radios, two duplexers, two antennas) is $1500, 
>>> need two more duplexers if doing MIMO - another $500 ish. Then $2K (at the 
>>> most) for the coordination/licensing fees. If you want better antennas than 
>>> the UBNT ones in the kit, they'll be over and above. Radiowaves and KP make 
>>> good ones (they're the same antenna, actually).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jesse DuPont
>>> 
>>> Owner / Network Architect
>>> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
>>> Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
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>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On 5/8/20 4:41 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
 $4K, both radios, both antennas and a license?
  
 From: Jesse DuPont
 Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:39 PM
 To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; ch...@wbmfg.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] af11x
  
 About $4K, 700 Mbps. Open freqs completely depends on your location. Might 
 have to upgrade antennas.
 
 Jesse DuPont
 
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 On 5/8/20 3:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> What is the cost, all in, license, antennas, everything for a system that 
> will do 7 miles?
> What throughput will that have?
> How likely is it to find an open frequency?
> 
> 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] food banks

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The state government of Utah has mobilized many state agencies to move food and 
household supplies to those that need it.

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> On May 10, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> I found the photos in this article disquieting.  Many of us are in the 
> business of selling a hot commodity and our businesses and personal income 
> are intact, at least for now.  Maybe consider writing a check to your local 
> food bank, or volunteering.
>  
> Interesting the first photo is from Utah, which is famous for taking care of 
> its own, not true everywhere.
>  
> https://www.vox.com/2020/5/9/21251895/food-banks-lines-pandemic
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

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Did they shut him down?

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> On May 10, 2020, at 1:27 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> I heard on the radio a restaurant owner in downstate Illinois opened to a
> full sit-down crowd, citing his rights as an American.  He apparently forgot
> that restaurants are already subject to lots of rules, and the county health
> department can pull his health permit.  Heck, they regulate how big your
> sign can be, what hours you can be open, maximum occupancy, whether you can
> serve liquor (or sprouts or foie gras), whether you can hand out plastic
> straws.  The idea that a business is free to do whatever it wants, free of
> government regulation, is kind of divorced from reality.
> 
> I don't necessarily agree with the way any level of government is handling
> this, but not because of my rights and freedoms.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 1:53 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Steve Jones
> 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
> 
> To those saying "why should I have to wear a mask when in public" do you
> also complain about "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service"?
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

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I tried it in Monte Carlo.  Tasted like Underwood Deviled Ham mixed with 
margarine.  No liver taste at all.

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> On May 10, 2020, at 2:37 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> I would boycott any restaurant that served foie gras simply because I hate 
> liver, and duck/goose live is just as disgusting.
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 5/10/2020 12:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> I heard on the radio a restaurant owner in downstate Illinois opened to a
>> full sit-down crowd, citing his rights as an American.  He apparently forgot
>> that restaurants are already subject to lots of rules, and the county health
>> department can pull his health permit.  Heck, they regulate how big your
>> sign can be, what hours you can be open, maximum occupancy, whether you can
>> serve liquor (or sprouts or foie gras), whether you can hand out plastic
>> straws.  The idea that a business is free to do whatever it wants, free of
>> government regulation, is kind of divorced from reality.
>> 
>> I don't necessarily agree with the way any level of government is handling
>> this, but not because of my rights and freedoms.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 1:53 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Steve Jones
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
>> 
>> To those saying "why should I have to wear a mask when in public" do you
>> also complain about "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service"?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT...yum yum

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To that I add a bit of lemon or lime.  Preferably lime.  And a bit of salt.

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> On May 10, 2020, at 6:40 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> We do guac in the simplest way possible. Avocado, onion, tomato, cilantro if 
> it's fresh, and some spices.
> 
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 5/10/2020 5:32 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>> Don't put Jalapenos in vinegar!! These were cooked in soy sauce and a bit of 
>> Worcestershire sauce. 
>> Remove the veins and seeds if they are too hot for you.
>> Guacamole is ruined by most who make it...the stuff they sell with Tostidos 
>> IS NOT guacamoleit's awful...
>> 
>> On Sun, May 10, 2020, 5:45 PM Steve Jones  wrote:
>>> I've accepted the fact that I'm back eating jalapenos. I'm gonna dive them 
>>> and keep them in a jar with a little vinegar 
>>> We made taco bowls, I wont post a pic, cause I'll probably be told they 
>>> arent tacos. Bet they were good. Daughter wanted guacamole, I ate some, 
>>> tastes like veggie urine
>>> 
>>> On Sun, May 10, 2020, 5:54 PM Jaime Solorza  
>>> wrote:
 Jalapenos torreados, cebolla y carne asada
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

[Chuck McCown]

Only for ugly people.

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> 
> There are 2 separate issues. Having the government tell everyone they must 
> wear a mask is one thing.  A business requiring customers wear a mask to 
> enter their store is another.  The second actually correlates to your example 
> and is certainly the right of any business to put certain requirements on 
> using their facility (within lawful limits of course).  If people don’t want 
> to abide by their requirements, they are free to go somewhere else or stay 
> home if no one will let them in their place of business.
>  
> On the other hand, I assume that it will eventually come before the Supreme 
> Court to decide if it is a violation of some “right” or other to be told that 
> everyone is required to wear a mask in public.
>  
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>  
> To those saying "why should I have to wear a mask when in public" do 
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[AFMUG] documenting underground marks

[Chuck McCown]

> 
> 
> We strive to have video and photo evidence of marks before we start digging.  
> Sometimes we fail but most of the time when we hit something there is no 
> paint or flags. 
> I am wondering if a drone video would be better than our handheld 
> phone/camcorder footage?  I have never used a drone personally but have seen 
> some of the images.  It sure would be quick and easy to fly a route.  Not 
> sure the altitude you would want to use.  Not sure if it would see more than 
> the camcorder on the ground.
>  
> I am thinking that the aerial view would see the paint better but the ground 
> view would see the flags. 
> Be good for engineering I would think.  Hopefully much better resolution than 
> Google earth.  I wonder if you can correct the perspective distortion?
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Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cables made quickly?

[Chuck McCown]

Can’t you just use flat drop cable?

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> On May 14, 2020, at 4:48 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
> 
> 
> Looking for a reliable source for getting custom fiber cables made quickly.  
> (and cost effectively).
>  
> We often do short runs (200 to 500 ft.) of fiber (usually just 2 LC UPC 
> connectors on it each end, with a pull eye) to go from building to building, 
> so in conduit, outdoor rated.  While we do our own splicing for other things, 
> it seems simpler to have some of these made for us, vs figuring out how to 
> take a single strand (x2) spliced to a feed cable and make that single strand 
> be structurally solid and with a pull eye on one end.
>  
> We do maybe one a month.  Was using FS.COM but they are sometimes very slow 
> to make them and shipping on their outdoor cable is quite expensive, nearly 
> as much (or more than) the cable itself.
>  
> Looked at IntegraOptics but they are at least (4) weeks out.
>  
> Paul
>  
>  
>  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT OTA receivers

[Chuck McCown]

That have a cone shaped one now that looks like it has pretty good specs.

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> 
> 
> We still have our (now obsolete) DVR+ from Channel Master. We only have one 
> TV that is sequestered in a back room, so it is just fine for us. If we had 
> multiple screens, we might do something else. At least it doesn't need a 
> subscription.
> 
> The streaming options on it really suck, but if we need to stream, we use the 
> Roku.
> 
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 5/17/2020 5:39 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> I had the tivo for quite some time until it quit working and I didn’t want 
>> to spend the money for another one. 
>> I switched to airTV and then converted it to Sling.  It is buggy.  Does not 
>> always record what you tell it to, it will not allow fast forward on local 
>> channels and the audio level is much higher than all my other hdmi inputs 
>> like Roku.
>>  
>> So looking again for an ATA receiver.  Walmart has a really low cost unit 
>> that can record if you connect an external drive.  It allows time shift etc. 
>> Does not stream over you network, you will have to have it connected to your 
>> display.  And you will have to feed it an RF TV signal.  But the whole 
>> streaming over the network by Tivo and Sling/AirTV has not exactly been 
>> flawless.
>>  
>> Anyone using anything else they really like?  One of my larger spots in the 
>> house to watch TV has a large monitor with no F connector.  So I need 
>> something there.  I would like something with a channel guide so that is one 
>> thing Sling does for me. 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT OTA receivers

[Chuck McCown]

Tnx

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> On May 18, 2020, at 9:20 PM, Bruce Robertson  wrote:
> 
>  Tablo.  100% satisfied.  The intelligent commercial skip gets it right 
> almost all of the time.
> 
> On 5/17/20 5:39 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> I had the tivo for quite some time until it quit working and I didn’t want 
>> to spend the money for another one. 
>> I switched to airTV and then converted it to Sling.  It is buggy.  Does not 
>> always record what you tell it to, it will not allow fast forward on local 
>> channels and the audio level is much higher than all my other hdmi inputs 
>> like Roku.
>>  
>> So looking again for an ATA receiver.  Walmart has a really low cost unit 
>> that can record if you connect an external drive.  It allows time shift etc. 
>> Does not stream over you network, you will have to have it connected to your 
>> display.  And you will have to feed it an RF TV signal.  But the whole 
>> streaming over the network by Tivo and Sling/AirTV has not exactly been 
>> flawless.
>>  
>> Anyone using anything else they really like?  One of my larger spots in the 
>> house to watch TV has a large monitor with no F connector.  So I need 
>> something there.  I would like something with a channel guide so that is one 
>> thing Sling does for me. 
>> !DSPAM:5ec1d9665981936517499! 
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[AFMUG] Cannot understand this bill

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Re: [AFMUG] Semi OT CenturyLink POTS Ped Move/Remove

[Chuck McCown]

No, but if you move it yourself they will never know.

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> On May 27, 2020, at 6:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> 
> I know this is probably impossible, but the previous owner of my current 
> house fenced in right to the sidewalk, and now the CenturyLink green PED is 
> sitting in a “garden” area.
>  
> Is there any way shy of the second coming, that CenturyLink would be 
> convinced to come out and move the PED seven feet to the West on another 
> property where most/all of the other utilities are now in the ROW?
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Re: [AFMUG] Supper

[Chuck McCown]

Cod

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> On May 27, 2020, at 8:54 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> 
> Looks good.what fish did you use? 
> 
>> On Wed, May 27, 2020, 6:17 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> Pescado al la veracruzana.  Yum!
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

[Chuck McCown]

You learn some of the most valuable lessons from failures.  They sn4 blew up.  
Sn5&6 are already built and ready to incorporate the changes that come out of 
this failure.  Much quicker way to develop rockets.  Make lots of them, blow up 
lots of them,

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> On May 30, 2020, at 1:58 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Well, SpaceX has that Mars rocket program or whatever it is, that blew up 
> again yesterday.  I saw a video clip where the narrator said something like 
> “that wasn’t nominal”.  I’m imagining the famous film of the Hindenburg 
> disaster where the radio announcer says “that wasn’t nominal” instead of “oh 
> the humanity”.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 2:44 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>  
> So, my TSLA stock should be safe now...
>  
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 12:53 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>  
> It's not quite like shooting a bullet. There is a window that they can 
> maneuver within. It may have to do with the amount of propellant carried in 
> the "garage" attached to the back of the crew dragon. There also has to be 
> enough left in that to de-orbit.
> 
> I saw a series of diagrams somewhere (maybe on the SpaceX web site?) that 
> illustrated all the various maneuvers at the different stages.
> 
> The approach to the ISS is interesting in that there is an exclusion zone of 
> sorts all around the ISS. They need to target to outside that zone until they 
> make their final approach. Once they are in a parallel orbit just outside the 
> exclusion zone, they can rotate and maneuver into the docking station. The 
> crew dragon (and the cargo dragon) is that the whole operation is autonomous.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 5/30/2020 11:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Guy on radio was saying SpaceX crew capsule has to be launched at a specific 
> time to rendezvous with the ISS, sounds like shooting a bullet.  Same guy 
> said Boeing design will have a wider launch window because it is more 
> maneuverable.  Looking at photos they don’t seem that different.  Does this 
> sound right?  Main difference seems to be the way they land, in water or on 
> land.
>  
> Not sure what happens to Boeing capsule if collapse of air travel on top of 
> 737 Max fiasco spells the end of Boeing as a company.
>  
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 1:25 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>  
>  
> 
> 1522 EDT (AKA 3:22 PM)
> 
> 1422 CDT (AKA 2:22 PM)
> 
> 1322 MDT (AKA 1:22 PM)
> 
> 1222 PDT (AKA 12:22 PM)
> 
> If you're not on daylight saving time, you know what to do.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 5/30/2020 11:18 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Just a reminder in case you forgot.
>  
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Data center fire prevention

[Chuck McCown]

Halon will kill you if you are in the room when it goes off.  No oxygen 
availability.
Good smoke sniffer system and a rack by rack power killing system is what some 
use.

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> 
> 
> So one of our sites has become pretty darn important so I was considering a 
> 'clean agent' fire system (like Halon)
> 
> Wondering what you guys use? This room has a sprinkler, should I look at 
> getting it removed? Or build a shield over our racks?
> 
> If the fire didn't get us, the water will. Ugh. 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

[Chuck McCown]

They opened things back up.

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> On Jun 8, 2020, at 10:18 PM, Robert  wrote:
> 
>  I heard that Utah is at a 21% growth rate right now.  6th of 50..  what 
> changed?
> 
>> On 6/8/20 8:30 PM, justsumname . wrote:
>> I thought if it's not peer-reviewed, it's not real science.
>> No worries, it's not a thing.   The big news now is, recently we learned the 
>> absolute cure for COVID-19:Mass public gatherings and riots.
>> --
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 9:59 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>> They bought the source data from a research company.  When pressed on how 
>>> they acquired data on 96,000 cases the research company replied that they 
>>> aren't allowed to say due to confidentiality agreements.  Therefore the 
>>> data can't be verified, therefore not adequate for science.  
>>> 
>>> Rather than believing the popular narrative that we were "tricked" by evil 
>>> scientists, I'm quite happy that science did it's job.  By contrast how 
>>> often does a politician come back and say, "oh I guess I was wrong about 
>>> that"?  How often does anyone do that? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 6/7/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname . wrote:
 https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext?utm_campaign=tlcoronavirus20&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
  
 
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Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

[Chuck McCown]

Deadheading bobtail.  Happens all the time.

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> On Jun 11, 2020, at 5:37 PM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> Again. Why would a semi be parking in the middle of the park?
> 
> Sure. It can be in a designated space. No one parks in the roadway to sleep. 
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 7:16 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> 
>> I guess you have not been in the sleeper of a nice large semi lately.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:42 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber
>> 
>> Why would a semi be parking in the middle of an RV park?
>> 
 On Jun 11, 2020, at 6:35 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm not an RV'er, but I thought it was somewhat common to have a portable 
>>> or roof mounted sat TV dish that even automatically aims itself.  Like this:
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Winegard-PL7000R-Playmaker-Portable-Satellite/dp/B074CPRJSD
>>> 
>>> Supposedly you can add a mobile dish to your home subscription so you don't 
>>> have to pay an arm and a leg for a couple months when you hit the road in 
>>> summer.  We have a farm customer that uses their "mobile" dish at their 
>>> scalehouse during harvest.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 5:17 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber
>>> 
>>> So if a semi wants to park there and they have a nice mobile sat under the 
>>> radome, you going to knock on their sleeper and ask if they are watching TV?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Matt Hoppes
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:13 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber
>>> 
>>> OTARD does not apply to someone else’s property. Normally the satellite 
>>> dishes are not mounted on your RV they are mounted on the land belonging to 
>>> the camp owner.
>>> 
>>> And 0TARD does not apply to commercial environments which a campground is.
>>> 
 On Jun 11, 2020, at 6:06 PM, Robert Andrews 
 wrote:
 
 How can you enforce no satellite dishes.   Sounds like a clear violation
 of FCC OTARD...   You couldn't even tell if we were using our satellite
 dish it's fully enclosed and not visible.
 
>> On 06/11/2020 02:48 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> Why are you doing fiber?
> We have a 300 unit RV park where everyone is required to stream over
> the Internet, no satellite dishes are allowed.
> It works absolutely fine and everything is back hauled wirelessly to
> the sectors that cover several RV campers.
>>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Yeah I'm assuming WiFi would be everyone's first choice, and that's
>> part of why I'm thinking WiFi from the pedestal.  I just thought it
>> would be nice to have the option to plug in a cable.
>> 
>> I did find a comms enclosure that bolts onto the back side of the RV
>> power ped. http://www.rvparksupplies.com/p/ACCESSBOXPHONECABLE/.
>> 
>> 
>> Waiting for them to send me more details, but I think that might
>> give me a place for the ONT, and incidentally there appear to be two
>> keystone jacks in it.  My two reasons for suggesting this approach
>> are that each RV gets their own WiFi instead of sharing it with
>> everybody around them, and if there was ever a law enforcement issue
>> we could track the usage to a particular site rather than just 
>> "somewhere in the park".
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/11/2020 4:54 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>> As an "RVer" I will say that we are all set up for WiFi connections and
>>> doing a hardwire would be something that we _never_ plan for.   Don't
>>> even carry and ethernet cable...
>>> 
 On 06/11/2020 01:30 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> If you run fiber to RV sites, what do you put in at the site?
> 
> I'm imagining I'd end with a WiFi enabled ONT in a box, on a post
> next to their power and water hookups.  I'd want the campers to be
> able to plug Ethernet in at the box if they have the wherewithal to 
> do so.
> And if they don't then they have their own private WiFi right
> outside their RV.
> 
> of course I could get little Hoffman boxes and put this
> together, but I'm betting someone must have made a product for this 
> already.
> 
> 
> 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

[Chuck McCown]

So, a guest of the park signs an agreement not to turn on a personal hotspot on 
their phone?

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> On Jun 12, 2020, at 6:08 AM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hotspots are also restricted.
> 
> It’s not a matter of what’s legal or not via OTARD. No one comes into this 
> not being aware of what the rules are. Nothing preclude a private contract 
> from prohibiting someone from using a satellite antenna, you can agree or not 
> agree to the contract.
> 
> I suppose if one of the campers wanted to fight it they probably could. We 
> just provide the Wi-Fi the campsite makes the rules.
> 
>>> On Jun 12, 2020, at 7:56 AM, Tim Hardy  wrote:
>>> 
>> My read is the RV Park is on very shaky ground here.  Most RVs and trucks 
>> now have fixed antennas underneath radomes on the roof.  There’s just no 
>> basis for restricting one from receiving satellite signals through these 
>> antennas - as Chuck commented, are you going to knock on their door to 
>> ensure they are complying with this bogus restriction?  Where does it stop, 
>> what about cellular signals or LEOs with smaller terminals? If the park is 
>> somehow enforcing this rule, they are a prime target for a petition to the 
>> FCC. If this happens, 99 out of 100 of those petitioned back down as they 
>> could end up being liable for legal fees on both sides.
>> 
>> Finally, from the FCC’s main OTARD information page there’s this:
>> 
>> Q:  Does the rule apply to commercial property or only residential property?
>> 
>> A:  Nothing in the rule excludes antennas installed on commercial property.  
>> The rule applies to property used for commercial purposes in the same way it 
>> applies to residential property.
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.fcc.gov/media/over-air-reception-devices-rule
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 9:44 PM, Matt Hoppes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m still confused. What’s the issue?
>>> 
>>> Tractor paying for night. In spot. Paying for WiFi. 
>>> 
 On Jun 11, 2020, at 9:43 PM, Matt Hoppes 
  wrote:
 
 I don’t get your question. 
 
 They can come in. Pay for a space. Stay the night and buy WiFi. 
 
 What is the issue?
 
> On Jun 11, 2020, at 9:41 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> I guess I should have said tractor.  
> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Thursday, June 11, 
> 2020 7:22 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber 
>>> On 6/11/20 6:10 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> Who said anything about the middle of the road?
> 
> 
> I think he's thinking they always come with a trailer and therefore 
> wouldn't fit in a space.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: batcrazy

[Chuck McCown]

They need to figure out how to teach restraint.  I am for them to have the 
tools they need.

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> On Jun 15, 2020, at 8:33 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> I think one of the things they want to do is de-militarize the police. Local 
> podunk PDs have no business buying million dollar MRAPs.
> 
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 6/15/2020 7:29 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> the problem is the defund the police folks dont understand economics. there 
>> isnt enough money as it is for maintaining the police presence for the 
>> criminal side of things. taking that money and paying for a bunch of 
>> counsellors doesnt lead to having enough cops. Removing police from schools 
>> is a 1 percent thing, the other 99 percent will pull their kids out without 
>> resource officers. Mental health still will need police, they dont go to a 
>> hot environment because they dont have arrest powers if it goes downhill, 
>> and you dont want jonna the counselor having to fight the loon. 
>> They want to disarm the police. thats a big no, complete non starter. They 
>> consider the bullet proof vests to be a mechanism of intimidation, anyone 
>> who has actually had a vest do its job would never let somebody else go in 
>> without one.
>> Maybe they try an actual wholistic approach, stop making everything illegal, 
>> and you immediately have less criminals
>> stop overcharging for pleas, Mike flynn being an ally example I wish they 
>> would recognize. The media says if he wasnt guilty, why would he take a 
>> plea? I can find you thousands of young black men who can answer that 
>> question without skipping a beat.
>> Get rid of plea bargains all together, make DAs actually work for their 
>> conviction rates at trial, bet you see a less burdened court and prison 
>> system right quick.
>> Prisons cost 30-70k annually per inmate. Thats a whole lot of dough to put 
>> into those other programs, and over time that cost goes down as guards age 
>> out and dont need to be replaced because the cells are empty.
>> 
>> defund the police is targeting a symptom of a virus and giving it an 
>> antibiotic (its the wrong treatment)
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 7:38 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>> For many people, that seems to mean stop funding the police to deal with 
>>> issues like mental health, homelessness, domestic disputes, street vendors, 
>>> routine discipline in schools, etc., and instead use that money to fund 
>>> specialists, and let the police handle murders and robberies and stuff.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I had a discussion with someone who is all for defund the police and I said 
>>> if that’s what they mean, the term really sucks, because it conveys 
>>> something totally different and many people are not going to support 
>>> something that sounds like disband the police and then nobody handles 
>>> murders and robberies.  Rather than saying reform the police, or narrow 
>>> their focus, or move some of their responsibilities to other agencies.  But 
>>> he said I was wrong, without really explaining why I was wrong.  I think he 
>>> meant we can call it what we want to, who cares if it’s unnecessarily 
>>> provocative.  Or maybe he really does want to disband the police.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of justsumname .
>>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 6:14 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: batcrazy
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> is it just the 'news' that I'm reading or are things really going totally 
>>> bathshitcrazy ?!? "de-fund the police"  is just ONE thing.
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Forrest- Paketflux cable lengths

[Chuck McCown]

RTFM doesn’t work so well if there is no FM.

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> On Jun 16, 2020, at 8:35 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> 
> Can it be filled with cuss words? I'll send a resume if I get to cuss
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020, 6:25 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>>  wrote:
>> You should be fine to run those a dozen feet or so.  Shouldn't be a problem 
>> with what you're describing.
>> 
>> You never know, you might get your chance to write some salty documentation. 
>>  I've got a pile of resumes I'm digging through (Upwork, local), and can say 
>> that I think that maybe some salty docs peppered with inappropriate 
>> references to the competition would be better than what some of these people 
>> could produce.   Especially the ones with various language sins on their 
>> applications.   Hint:  if you're applying for a writing job, maybe your 
>> application/resume/cover letter shouldn't be filled with questionable 
>> English.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 3:22 PM Steve Jones  
>>> wrote:
>>> Since theres no clear documentation and you turned down my cuss documents. 
>>> How much can I push my luck on the sync/serial cables between injectors? Im 
>>> thinking about just going to some small boxes i found. 1 for each power 
>>> supply and syncinjector connected with liquidtight. The site im looking at 
>>> cleaning up in this manner would convert over to about 9 or 10 
>>> syncinjectors.
>>>  How far can i push total cable length before i need to add another site 
>>> monitor and start a new chain?
>>> 
>>> Also, If you send me one each of your units and a miller lite stipend, Ill 
>>> build you out your documents. give me a Jameson stipend and ill complete 
>>> them twice as fast and salty. Ill only refer to other vendor products as 
>>> useless mousedicks 3 or four times per document because im a professional
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[AFMUG] OT flicker

[Chuck McCown]

Little loading
I don’t see the problem.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

[Chuck McCown]

Yes, several.

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> On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> I think that's a Western Rattlesnake, but it looks way too long. Is that more 
> than one snake in there?
> 
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 6/24/2020 5:34 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

[Chuck McCown]

Nope.  In a UDOT HH so not gonna break the law on their turf.  Just like to get 
them out.

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> On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hope you didn't kill it...good size..
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 6:35 PM  wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

[Chuck McCown]

There is no doubt they are rattlesnakes.

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> On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:49 PM, Craig Baird  wrote:
> 
> 
> Without seeing the head, I can't be sure, but my guess is Gopher Snake / Bull 
> Snake / Blow Snake.  They're all the same. They like to act like rattlers, 
> but they're harmless.
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 6:43 PM Jaime Solorza  
>> wrote:
>> Hope you didn't kill it...good size..
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

[Chuck McCown]

We haven’t yet.

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> On Jun 25, 2020, at 6:30 AM, Jay Weekley  wrote:
> 
> How did you fix the problem?
> 
> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Yes, several.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I think that's a Western Rattlesnake, but it looks way too long. Is that 
>>> more than one snake in there?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> bp
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/24/2020 5:34 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Unifying dislike

[Chuck McCown]

I wonder how many in the over 60 crowd refuse masks compared to younger groups. 
 If I was younger I might not be as vigilant too.

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> On Jun 26, 2020, at 3:42 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Mask wearing seems to have acquired culture war or political significance, 
> beyond scientific or medical facts.  Like wearing a MAGA hat or a BLM shirt 
> or gang colors.
>  
> So maybe it’s another topic like religion and politics that we need to just 
> walk away from on this list?
>  
> Although it does factor into our business practices.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 3:47 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Unifying dislike
>  
> Kahlua?  I keep all my faith in booze
>  
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 3:44 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
> Right. I put more faith in Kahuna.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 6/26/2020 1:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Yeahbut that’s science.  Can’t trust science. 
>  
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 2:21 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Unifying dislike
>  
> https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-19-coronavirus-why-wearing-masks-controversial
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 6/26/2020 1:07 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> link to these "studies"
>  
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 2:59 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
> The studies they've done indicate that in a close environment, a mask reduces 
> probability of your virus' infecting someone from around 17% to around 4%.
> 
> If you're sneezing and/or coughing, that is probably a whole other matter.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 6/26/2020 12:25 PM, David Coudron wrote:
> Sometimes I wonder if low tech masks are efficient germ spreaders.   
> Basically the infected person breathes into/coughs into/sneezes into mask 
> which holds droplets infected with virus.   Since the mask doesn’t filter 
> virus sized particles, the mask wearer breathing out is like putting a small 
> fan behind an infected surface, spewing micro droplets into the air.  If no 
> mask, larger droplets fall faster rather than float in the air.Similar to 
> what Steve is saying, but for non-N95 masks.  If air is getting in, air is 
> also getting out through the mask pushing virus out.Seems like the fancy 
> air diffuser the boss has to make the house smell good, but for virus.   No 
> science behind this at all, just musing 😊
>  
> Regards,
>  
> David Coudron
>  
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 2:05 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Unifying dislike
>  
> the irony of the N95 masks with ports is they have the unfiltered low 
> impedance exhaust port, actually "spreads" the disease more since the air 
> velocity is increased.
>  
> Just call your meeting a protest anyway, then you dont need to wear a mask 
> since this doesnt spread at protests
>  
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:26 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> Chuck, are these business meetings with your own employees, or outside 
> people?  Can you hold the meetings outside and stay 6 feet from each other?  
> Although being outside probably increases the probability of shouting and, if 
> you have allergies, sneezing.
>  
> Imagine being a nurse/doctor/dentist/etc and wearing one of the tight-fitting 
> N95 masks (plus probably goggles) for a 12 hour shift, day after day.  The 
> ones that leave marks on your face.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 1:17 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Unifying dislike
>  
> Indian love song.  Splat.  That was one of the all time funniest scenes in a 
> movie ever. 
>  
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 11:45 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Unifying dislike
>  
> That and "It's a Small World". Gawd, I want to run into a hot lava pit when I 
> hear that.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 6/26/2020 10:26 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> I’ve occasionally seen people wearing clear face shields.  Not sure if those 
> are effective and/or allowed instead of masks.  Kind of like a personal 
> sneeze guard.  Now I’m having a mental picture of the aliens in Mars Attacks 
> with their heads exploding inside their space helmets.  Whenever I hear the 
> Kars for Kids song I feel like my head is going to explode.
>  
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of David Coudron
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 12:10 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
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>  
> You can officially count me among the haters of wearing masks.   Did it way 
> too much as a kid on the farm when working in dusty environments or with 
> insulation or other items you didn’t want to breathe in.   The novelty of 
> wearing a mask wore off long ago……
>  
> Regards,
>  
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> Sent: Friday, Ju

Re: [AFMUG] Video from Jaime Solorza

[Chuck McCown]

That was a good one.

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> On Jun 27, 2020, at 7:16 AM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> 
> Happened few days ago in Chihuahua, Chihuahua TV station tower...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Unifying dislike

[Chuck McCown]

Doing an outside loop over the ocean in a sailplane in Hawaii is probably the 
most fun I ever had.

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> On Jun 27, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> There's a glider club I drive by all the time because it's down the road
> from our maintenance shop.  I see they're active now.  That seems like the
> ultimate pastime for social distancing.  Closest human is the person flying
> the tow plane.  Well, I guess they are dual control sailcraft, kind of a
> Maverick & Goose arrangement.
> https://www.windycitysoaring.org/
> 
> -Original Message-
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> 
> This might be the brave new world.  But if they can fix this they can
> probably fix the common cold.  So there is that.
> Watched a grandson's soccer game this morning.  I was the only one at the
> park with a mask on.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: John Osmon
> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 1:19 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
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> 
> Defense in depth.
> 
> No one seems to argue against it in IP networks.
> 
> Me?  I'm happy with *anything* that lowers R0 of a virus artificially:
>   - vaccines
>   - hand washing
>   - distancing
>   - masks
> 
> Bring 'em all on -- use 'em where/when you can.  For yourself, and everyone
> else.  In a year, it won't matter *OR* we'll be used to it.
> Might as well start now.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 12:16:33PM -0600, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> Yeah, I am terribly altruistic.  I also thinks it protects me a bit too.
>> 
>> From: Bill Prince
>> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 11:43 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Unifying dislike
>> 
>> Just remember Chuck; you're not wearing it for you, you are wearing it 
>> out of empathy for your fellow (wo)man.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/26/2020 9:59 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> 
>>  With almost every thought or opinion there will be someone with the 
>> opposite preference or opinion.
>>  However, one particular feeling might be universally held amongst 
>> humans.
>> 
>>  I am finding I really hate wearing masks during business meetings.
>> 
>>  I will do it until the virus is no longer a factor, but I do not 
>> like masks.
>> 
>>  I do not like to wear a mask over my mouth and nose.
>>  I am sure someone somewhere would say they do, but that would be an 
>> odd person.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Zoro/Grainger

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If you abandon a cart right before you submit the order you will sometimes get 
a reminder a half hour later with a 15% discount.  Odd, Grainger is generally 
the most expensive source for a part,

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> 
> 
> Maybe I’m the only person on the planet who didn’t already know this, but it 
> turns out that Zoro is a Grainger company.  Or their consumer online sales 
> arm, while Grainger is mostly B2B.
>  
> I got curious because an order from Zoro had a Grainger label on it, so I 
> googled it.
> https://toolguyd.com/zoro-tools-grainger-company/
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[AFMUG] OT concert

[Chuck McCown]

Went to a Garth Brooks concert tonight.  At the local drive in.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Beer in Texas

[Chuck McCown]

104 here yesterday

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> On Jun 28, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> We have yet to hit 90. OAT is 46° this morning with 100% humidity (AKA "pea 
> soup").
> 
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 6/28/2020 7:33 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>> 100 plus a few days in a row...107° highest this year so far.
>> 
>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 10:08 PM Warren King  wrote:
>>> Thanks for the enlightenment guys!
>>> 
>>> Desire to consume beer cold understood; Texas does have occasional warm 
>>> days, doesn’t it?  High temp here today 73º (F)
>>> 
>>> Out of curiosity, I’ll begin keeping track here how many glasses arrive 
>>> frozen, refrigerated, or room temp.
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> 
 On Jun 27, 2020, at 1:25 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
 
 
 Everybody likes their beer cold. Most places are too cheap to buy enough 
 freezer space to keep glasses called. If you pour cold draft beer in a 
 warm glass, it doesn't take long to heat up. As result most people just 
 sell the bottles. 
 
 On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 3:17 PM Warren King  wrote:
> @ Jaime, Lewis, & Tushar (and anyone else in TX):
> 
> Back story - I spent nearly two weeks in the Austin/San Antonio area this 
> past JAN/FEB pursuing your renowned live music; live music capital of the 
> world indeed!
> 
> Why is the beer available in restaurants and bars predominately, nearly 
> exclusively in long neck bottles?  Very little draft, very little in cans.
> 
> Of course I’m from Oregon, and we have more draft, craft beers than TX 
> has oil wells.
> 
> Warren
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Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hot....the weather

[Chuck McCown]

Megacycles.  Jigacycles.  Picopicofarad. Mhos 

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> On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:45 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Centigrade, how old school.  Next you’ll be saying cycles per second.
>  
> Maybe we’ll find out Anders Celsius owned slaves or Heinrich Hertz was a 
> Nazi, and we’ll change the names back.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 7:35 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather
>  
> Centigrade
>  
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 10:15 PM James Howard  wrote:
> Now you’re trying to tell us that 34 degrees is hot?
>  
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 9:07 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT...It's hotthe weather
>  
> Very hot weather
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Karen?

[Chuck McCown]

That is always good advice.

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> On Jul 2, 2020, at 8:27 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> It means don't mess with HR.
> 
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 7/2/2020 7:04 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>> What does it mean when our HR person is named Karen?
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2020, at 8:57 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If I was named Karen, Brad, or Chad I'd be offended by all these 
>>> assumptions based around my name.
>>> 
>>> You know who I hate?  Guys named Todd 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxqCGTkV5wg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/1/2020 3:41 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
 The debate always seems to be what do you call a male Karen?  The most 
 common suggestions seem to be Brad and Chad, not sure why.
  
 A certain large state seems to have a male Karen for Lt. Gov.  Or maybe 
 he’s more of a Gomer.  Which makes me think of a certain US Rep whose last 
 name sounds like Gomer.
  
 Women would probably say there is no specific name for a male Karen 
 because all males are Karens, dumb and mouthy and entitled.
  
  
 From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
 Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 2:14 PM
 To: af@af.afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] OT Karen?
  
 Pretty sure it should be Kate.  As in Kate +8
 She was the original.  Perhaps she was the prototype.  
 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] GPS app

[Chuck McCown]

Theodolite will let you see a heading.  Not sure how the best way would be to 
get the heading.

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> On Jul 4, 2020, at 2:53 AM, Rhys Cuff (Speedweb Internet) via AF 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Guys
> 
> Can anyone recommend a phone app they I can put an address of a base (Ap) and 
> the phone will point to it?
> 
> For new installers 
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> Rhys 
> 
> 
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[AFMUG] OT success!

[Chuck McCown]

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Re: [AFMUG] Tulsa, et al

[Chuck McCown]

Put some hooks n the chest.  Hoist them up.  If you survive you can build the 
tower.

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> On Jul 9, 2020, at 7:15 PM, James Howard  wrote:
> 
> 
> They should stake them out in the sun and let the ants get them like in the 
> movies.
>  
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 8:05 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tulsa, et al
>  
> Going to jail I am guessing...
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 6:17 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Tulsa, et al
> 
> So Tulsa and much of Eastern Oklahoma was just declared Indian lands.
> 
> What does this do to towers which have studied saying they were not built on 
> Native American lands?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Might be political - trigger warning

[Chuck McCown]

Sounds stronger.  Rather have an air burst bear spray round for a handgun,

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> On Jul 11, 2020, at 8:25 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> 
> According to this, bear spray is stronger.  Maybe they're both true.  I'm 
> sure more than one specific product falls under the heading of "bear spray".'
> 
> On 7/11/2020 8:21 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> According to this, bear spray has a lower concentration ofoleoresin capsicum 
>> than pepper spray.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/11/2020 5:08 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> Varies by state. 
>>> 
>>> In NY it's the other way around.  You can carry pepper spray for self 
>>> defense, but typical bear spray exceeds the legal limit on capsaicin 
>>> concentration.  This was slightly amusing when the NY DEC advised campers 
>>> and hikers to carry bear spray in the North Country.  Apparently the forest 
>>> rangers and other state agents CAN carry bear spray, but someone at the DEC 
>>> was unaware that the rest of us plebeians aren't allowed to have it. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/10/2020 3:58 PM, Bill Prince wrote: 
 According to this, pepper spray is illegal, but bear spray is not. That 
 said, if you use it as a weapon, you are probably going to be charged. 
 
 https://cottagelife.com/outdoors/whats-the-difference-between-bear-spray-and-pepper-spray/
  
 
 bp 
  
 
 On 7/10/2020 12:47 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: 
> Can you legally use that on people? 
> 
> Bill Prince wrote: 
>> 
>> My wife is a big advocate of bear spray (Industrial strength pepper 
>> spray). I do not know what the long term risks are to exposure to this 
>> stuff, but the nice thing is that it can shoot a fairly long distance 
>> (up to 40') and you can correct for aim while you're spraying. The one 
>> she has is Counter Assault. 
>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/Counter-Assault-CA-18H-SB-10-2-Ounce/dp/B001DQ76JI/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=bear+spray&qid=1594408467&sr=8-2
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> bp 
>>  
>> 
>> On 7/10/2020 11:39 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 
>>> If you have your fight or flight mechanism triggered, I don’t think you 
>>> should lose your life just because you reacted out of fear. 
>>> But man, how do you write regulations around these things and how do 
>>> you condition cops to not protect their own lives in certain situations 
>>> too. 
>>> They also get scared 
>>> Tough one.  Great Britain banned beat cops from carrying handguns years 
>>> ago.  Not sure if that is still in effect. 
>>> A really effective less than lethal  would be great. Perhaps something 
>>> that rends someone temporarily blind or confused or unconscious. 
>>> Maybe the right frequency of microwaves modulated at some kind of brain 
>>> wave frequency could do it. 
>>> Anyone want to volunteer for testing? 
>>> *From:* Bill Prince 
>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2020 12:14 PM 
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Might be political - trigger warning 
>>> 
>>> He fired the taser when they were in close contact (taser is now done). 
>>> He then broke away and started running. Officer shot him in the back a 
>>> long time after the taser had been discharged. Doesn't matter what he 
>>> did with the taser at that point because it had been discharged. 
>>> 
>>> bp 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On 7/10/2020 10:21 AM, Charles Boening wrote: 
 
 In the Atlanta case the suspect took a taser from the other officer.  
 A taser that hadn’t been fired. He turned and shot that taser at the 
 office which prompted the office to shoot back.  You can see that in 
 the video. 
 
 Not saying it was justified or not.  Just the fact that the suspect 
 even though fleeing, turned and shot a weapon at the officer. 
 
 As for getting shot in the back, that’s easy if the suspect is running 
 away and turns their torso a bit then extends their arm towards the 
 officer giving chase.  You can still have your back to the officer 
 giving chase yet present a threat to that officer. 
 
 Note that this picture has the added benefit of daylight and is a 
 training scenario so tensions wouldn’t be as high. Also note that you 
 can’t tell what kind of weapon the suspect has.  Is it real or fake? 
 Can’t really tell. 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Coverage in Home

[Chuck McCown]

Me too 

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> On Jul 11, 2020, at 11:04 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
> 
> 
> I use a Calix844e and E410's as well
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 4:59 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>> We have a wired Mikrotik back at the hub, and a single Unify saucer that 
>> provides WiFi to almost all of the home (~~ 2800 sq ft). It is "not quite" 
>> centrally located, and screwed to the wall above the doorway in a utility 
>> room.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/11/2020 4:12 PM, Matt wrote:
>>> I always use MikroTik routers. I assume it is all noise etc but it seems 
>>> like I have an issue with getting throughput on my front porch etc. What is 
>>> everyone’s favorite router for home use? Using hap ac now. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

[Chuck McCown]

Also, remove any Richie bro’s stickers.  We have some adhesive remover spray 
that helps.

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> On Jul 12, 2020, at 1:49 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Excellent job on the intersection guys.  Y’all just keep getting better at 
> what you do. 
>  
> This week Centracom said they are coming to splice and perhaps install 
> equipment in the C.O.
> BTW, C.O. stands for Central Office.  Many years ago it was CDO for Central 
> Distribution Office.  This is where the telephone operators used to manually 
> switch telephone calls with “cord boards”.  Later automatic switching 
> equipment took over that job but the C.O. has remained.  Internet companies 
> frequently call their main tech office the NOC Network Operations Center.  
> NOC is probably taking over for C.O. but I am an older dude and will continue 
> to refer to the C.O.  Ours is so small it would more properly be called a 
> Carrier Hut or Remote.  But I digress.
>  
> We want everything looking as nice as we can for our upstream provider’s 
> visit. 
>  
> Inside the C.O. we need the following done:
> Racks straightened
> Batteries reversed
> Walls and ceiling washed
> Stairs installed
> Unused wires and equipment removed
> Wires straightened up and dressed better
> Perhaps run the 120 VAC to the inverter input
>  
> Outside the C.O. we need the following:
> Back wall painted where the ducts are. 
> Box that was over that area removed from the field to the North and either 
> saved for repurpose or put in the scrap metal dumpster.
> All weeds removed from the fenced area.
> Gravel covering 100% of that area.
>  
> Outside the fenced area we need the following:
> Put all the pieces of that motorhome in the dump trailer.  Any other garbage 
> too and take it to the dump.
> Move that motorhome chassis somewhere it is not obvious.
> Clean up, straight up etc the lot.  Make sure all the trucks and such are 
> parked in a nice orderly fashion.
> Knock down any weeds and lay down weed killer in those spots. 
>  
> Need to make sure not to leave the HVAC on in there until we get equipment 
> actually needing to be powered.
> Even then, we will want to set it no lower than 90 degrees.  Just got 15 days 
> worth of power bill (someone had left the AC on down to about 65 degrees) and 
> the bill was $100.  With no revenue producing customers yet, I don’t want 
> recurring expenses. 
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Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

[Chuck McCown]

If the routing of the cable would have been better it would not be a problem, 
but since I want it redone, flipping them around will be neater I think.

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> On Jul 12, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> If the rack mount batteries are front terminal, you can’t blame someone for 
> installing them with the wires coming off the front.  In a European CO the 
> racks are back-to-back and you have no choice, everything must be installed 
> and serviced from the front.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 5:16 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow
>  
> Rack mount batteries got installed with the wires coming off the front then 
> up the rack with wire hangers for a bit then diagonally going to the rack and 
> then up the back   Looks bad.  I don’t know why the guy did not route them 
> looking better.  So if we flip them around in the rack, the wires can go 
> straight up the back side of the rack to the circuit breaker panel and the 
> inverter and rectifier shelves.
>  
> The all aluminum building has the door threshold about 4 feet above ground 
> level.  It was designed to resist flooding.  And the place where it rests was 
> underwater in the mid 1980s.  So, now the water would have to be over the top 
> of I-80 before I have a problem.  And since it has a 4 foot sump, we can pump 
> it out (it has a built in sump pump too).   But it needs stairs to get into.  
> I got some nice gnarly steel stair treat and built a set of stairs for it.  
> They need to be painted and put in place.
>  
> The inverter has a switch that will convert the output over to commercial 
> power if it fails.  It has no 120 VAC feed into it at the moment.  Nice 
> Exeltech 4 kW sine wave modular inverter.
>  
> A few years ago a guy wanted to rent some of our back lot to stage his tow 
> trucks.  He parked several tow trucks and an older Winnebago style motor home 
> there.  About a month or less some other guy showed up and said this guy 
> supposedly bought those trucks from him as well as the whole business but 
> defaulted.  Those were his trucks.  I told him that I would not notice if 
> they all disappeared as I could not get ahold of the guy and he only made the 
> one rent payment. 
>  
> I finally made contact and told him to clear out the remaining truck and the 
> motor home.  He never got the motorhome.  I should have towed it out to the 
> highway and just left it.  But instead I tried to sell it, give it away get 
> the local junkyard to take it.  I eventually told the crew to go out with a 
> mini excavator (with a thumb) and pluck it to pieces and put all the pieces 
> in a large truck sized dumpster.  I finished ripping all the pieces they left 
> off today and made a mess.  Not sure what I am going to do with the chassis.  
> It was running when it was parked. 
>  
> Kinda fun starting up another company brand new like this.  We are installing 
> a 576 strand C.O. cable this week.  My C.O. rack can serve up to 10,024 
> customers without adding another shelf.  576 strands can serve 18,432 
> customers.  No remotes, electronics, DLCs etc out in the field.  Just 100% 
> optics up to 20 km and up to 30 km if we cut down the splitter ports. 
>  
> The upstream equipment we are installing has the ability to go to 1000 Gbps 
> on a ring of just 4 strands.  Thus the name Terabit Networks.  The ring will 
> be about 100 miles long when I complete it.  I have 2 gaps left to complete. 
>  
> From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:53 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow
>  
> I really want some more explanations/story to some of the projects...
> 
> Batteries reversed
>  
> Stairs installed
> 
> Perhaps run the 120 VAC to the inverter input
> 
> Put all the pieces of that motorhome in the dump trailer.
> Move that motorhome chassis somewhere it is not obvious.
>  
> 
> On 7/12/2020 4:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Good thing I didn’t start off: “who is the stupid bastard that took home the 
> only key for the red truck”...
>  
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:05 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow
>  
> I am sure you all enjoyed it much more than my crew...
>  
> From: TJ Trout
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:36 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow
>  
> Pretty cool to get a sneak peek into the mccown world even if it's an 
> accidental peak 💁‍♂️
>  
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 12:53 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
> Were we the intended audience here?
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 7/12/2020 12:49 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Excellent job on the intersection guys.  Y’all just keep getting better at 
> what you do. 
>  
> This week Centracom said they are coming to splice and perhaps install 
> equipment in the C.O.
> BTW, C.O. stands for Central Office.  Many years ago it was CDO for Central 
> Distribution Office.  This is where th

Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

[Chuck McCown]

#4

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> On Jul 12, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> I like to use #6 welding cable for the big batteries and it is so flexible 
> you often don’t need to fasten it down, it just nicely routes itself.
> https://powerwerx.com/welding-cable-epdm
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 6:22 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow
>  
> Without seeing the installation, my first inclination would be to have the 
> terminals in front, and find a way to dress the cables to look more 
> presentable and/or be more serviceable. Since I can't see what it looks like, 
> I will say "Carry on."
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 7/12/2020 4:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> If the rack mount batteries are front terminal, you can’t blame someone for 
> installing them with the wires coming off the front.  In a European CO the 
> racks are back-to-back and you have no choice, everything must be installed 
> and serviced from the front.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 5:16 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow
>  
> Rack mount batteries got installed with the wires coming off the front then 
> up the rack with wire hangers for a bit then diagonally going to the rack and 
> then up the back   Looks bad.  I don’t know why the guy did not route them 
> looking better.  So if we flip them around in the rack, the wires can go 
> straight up the back side of the rack to the circuit breaker panel and the 
> inverter and rectifier shelves.
>  
> The all aluminum building has the door threshold about 4 feet above ground 
> level.  It was designed to resist flooding.  And the place where it rests was 
> underwater in the mid 1980s.  So, now the water would have to be over the top 
> of I-80 before I have a problem.  And since it has a 4 foot sump, we can pump 
> it out (it has a built in sump pump too).   But it needs stairs to get into.  
> I got some nice gnarly steel stair treat and built a set of stairs for it.  
> They need to be painted and put in place.
>  
> The inverter has a switch that will convert the output over to commercial 
> power if it fails.  It has no 120 VAC feed into it at the moment.  Nice 
> Exeltech 4 kW sine wave modular inverter.
>  
> A few years ago a guy wanted to rent some of our back lot to stage his tow 
> trucks.  He parked several tow trucks and an older Winnebago style motor home 
> there.  About a month or less some other guy showed up and said this guy 
> supposedly bought those trucks from him as well as the whole business but 
> defaulted.  Those were his trucks.  I told him that I would not notice if 
> they all disappeared as I could not get ahold of the guy and he only made the 
> one rent payment. 
>  
> I finally made contact and told him to clear out the remaining truck and the 
> motor home.  He never got the motorhome.  I should have towed it out to the 
> highway and just left it.  But instead I tried to sell it, give it away get 
> the local junkyard to take it.  I eventually told the crew to go out with a 
> mini excavator (with a thumb) and pluck it to pieces and put all the pieces 
> in a large truck sized dumpster.  I finished ripping all the pieces they left 
> off today and made a mess.  Not sure what I am going to do with the chassis.  
> It was running when it was parked. 
>  
> Kinda fun starting up another company brand new like this.  We are installing 
> a 576 strand C.O. cable this week.  My C.O. rack can serve up to 10,024 
> customers without adding another shelf.  576 strands can serve 18,432 
> customers.  No remotes, electronics, DLCs etc out in the field.  Just 100% 
> optics up to 20 km and up to 30 km if we cut down the splitter ports. 
>  
> The upstream equipment we are installing has the ability to go to 1000 Gbps 
> on a ring of just 4 strands.  Thus the name Terabit Networks.  The ring will 
> be about 100 miles long when I complete it.  I have 2 gaps left to complete. 
>  
> From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:53 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow
>  
> I really want some more explanations/story to some of the projects...
> 
> Batteries reversed
>  
> Stairs installed
> 
> Perhaps run the 120 VAC to the inverter input
> 
> Put all the pieces of that motorhome in the dump trailer.
> Move that motorhome chassis somewhere it is not obvious.
>  
> 
> On 7/12/2020 4:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Good thing I didn’t start off: “who is the stupid bastard that took home the 
> only key for the red truck”...
>  
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:05 PM
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> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow
>  
> I am sure you all enjoyed it much more than my crew...
>  
> From: TJ Trout
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:36 PM
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> Pretty cool to get a sneak peek into the mccown world even if it's 

Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

[Chuck McCown]

Cambium owes you a consulting retainer.

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> On Jul 13, 2020, at 6:38 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> So I replied to part of your comment in my last email...
> 
> I had another phone call with the customer and Cambium together.  In 
> deference to Cambium and the customer, as we work through these issues I 
> won't go into a lot of details, but this definitely seems to me like there's 
> a good chance that this is going to result in an improvement to a lot of the 
> things which we're whining about in the thread.   If my suspicions are true 
> about the mechanism at work here, I could see where many of described 
> misbehaviors of DFS would neatly be described by this.   And no, thankfully, 
> this doesn't seem to be a PacketFlux-specific issue, although I can see how 
> questionable sync out of any device might trigger this...
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 8:37 AM Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
>> DFS has been a major pain since 15.x. Setting the configuration parameters 
>> correctly does not make any difference in DFS false positives. We have a 
>> site that once DFS triggers, it will continue to trigger over and over again 
>> until you power cycle it. Even then, that is only a temporary fix until 
>> another DFS event happens. I understand that Cambium must conform to FCC 
>> standards but their DFS algorithm is overly sensitive for sure. I don't 
>> believe it matters what sync device you have, DFS will trigger regardless. 
>> We've had DFS troubles with CTM's, RackInjectors, CMM4's and uGPS.
>> 
>> Forest, we also have GPS issues similar to Mark's. RackInjector with junior 
>> syncbox. AP's will randomly switch sync sources. This doesn't happen on AP's 
>> with CTM2's on the same site. I would really like to see the RackInjector 
>> provide a temporarily generated sync pulse on the event that GPS actually 
>> does fail. This would prevent SM's from re-registering.
>> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 8:44 AM dave  wrote:
>>> 
>>> DFS can occur with reflections as well as self interference. Weather 
>>> conditions can adverserly affect this. 
>>> All things RF for radio config must be set for correct operation IE TX pwer 
>>> and Antenna Gains all must be entered to
>>> reflect correct operating levels before a Reflection or interference issue 
>>> can be determined. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/13/20 6:56 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
 Forrest,
 
 As usual there are probably multiple issues going on.   We have seen an 
 increase in the number of DFS hits recently, and we also have a lot of 
 Packetflux timing equipment on the network.  I have noticed that DFS hits 
 tend to be worse in ‘unusual’ hot weather conditions.   And we have 
 certainly seen a pretty unusual heat wave over the last few weeks.  I’m 
 not sure if this is just heat changing sensitivity of the DFS detections 
 (temperature is involved in the RF calibration), if there is more 
 reflection off the ionosphere in these weather conditions, or if the 
 weather radar systems are just really jacking up power looking for storms. 
  
 
 As far as timing - I do think there is some timing instability going on 
 but I can’t pin it down to anything specific.   We continue to struggle 
 with RackInjectors losing the GPS timing signal from the Syncbox Basic 
 during or after storm events.   Typical symptom in the RackInjector fails 
 to see sync from the syncbox and the AP’s go into freerun.  Sat’s in view, 
 etc. all look normal, just no pulses.  Sometimes a power cycle from the 
 RackInjector will fix it, sometimes physically unplugging it will fix it, 
 and sometimes you just have to wait.   I have instructed the field crews 
 multiple times to make absolutely sure they screw in every screw tight on 
 the syncbox but I’m not 100% sure they are doing that.   I have seen at 
 least one come back to the shop with evidence of water damage to the GPS 
 board at the top.   I would really like to see the extra step of conformal 
 coating on the boards if there isn’t a reliable way of keeping water off 
 of them.
 
 We have also been seeing an unusual number of LBT issues with the 3.65 
 gear which I believe are related to other AP’s drifting or briefly going 
 off timing.
 
 Due to the number of times we were seeing loss of sync we had to enable 
 sync + freerun in order to avoid session resets.   I’m not convinced that 
 we are not still seeing timing jumps due to the sequence of loss of sync, 
 into freerun, then an abrupt change in framing when sync comes back.   Any 
 time something like that happens it tends to cause a wave of DFS and LBT 
 events across the network.   I can’t necessarily show anything specific at 
 this point though.We do get a lot of archived and searchable logging 
 from our Sumologic syslog server.   I’m going to ask the NOC to put 
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

[Chuck McCown]

Some have ground rods and wires but mine don’t and I have never seen anyone do 
it.  The generator is floating with respect to earth so grounding is not going 
to improve safety from that aspect.

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> On Jul 13, 2020, at 8:02 PM, Jon Langeler  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know? Do splice trailers get grounded for reasons of generator 
> and/or other reasons while splicing? 
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 
> 
>>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> It is double walled, with mineral blankets. 
>> But nothing suspended.  Just trying to not interrupt sleep in residential 
>> neighborhoods during night cuts. 
>> Work in progress.  We will build another one for our other splice trailer 
>> once we work out the kinks.
>>  
>> Like to be 60 dB at 10 feet. 
>>  
>> From: castarritt .
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 2:04 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
>>  
>> Neat project.  Have you considered making it double walled with some sort of 
>> anti-vibration material or suspension between the inner and outer layers?
>>  
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:01 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> And experimental noise control box for the generator.  Getting 10 dB 
>>> reduction does far.
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: I want my money back

[Chuck McCown]

When I had a tower failure I took an old man lift, put antennas on it and got 
service restored.

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> On Jul 14, 2020, at 9:20 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> 
> I blame chuck's mounts. Has nothing to do with them cutting 1 inch guy wires, 
> all chucks fault.  
> I actually did see an mtow in the middle of the pile that looks good I hope 
> to recover out of spite 
> Not going to lie, if I had tear ducts, I would maybe have had some gay water 
> coming from my eyes this weekend. Almost 15 years of finding solutions, and 
> getting there, wiped out by some wind. I'll find a solution, it's what idiots 
> like us do, but all that work wiped off the map kind of sucks.. wife was 
> pissed and made me come home cause of some shit 2 years ago on this day where 
> were went to a church and have each other some shiny rocks that some prick 
> hammered into a circle. I didnt even have time to get her some flowers to die
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 7:59 PM James Howard  wrote:
>> Should have named that site “Little Moe with the Gimpy Leg”……
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 7:55 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: I want my money back
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> That doesn’t look like an intentional demolition.  Did it just fall over?  
>> Looks like it was kind of a POS leg.  I hope nobody was on it at the time.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 7:25 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: I want my money back
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I'm just saying the leg wasn't on the ground when I put the mounts on, now 
>> the leg is on the ground.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 5:03 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>> 
>> Those are too close to even figure out where you are. You need to backup 50 
>> or 100 feet and get a context picture.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>>  
>> On 7/14/2020 2:38 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> 
>> Faulty faulty faulty
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Grant Imahara dies at 49 from brain aneurysm

[Chuck McCown]

Perv?

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> On Jul 14, 2020, at 9:44 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> 
> Bad time for mythbusters between his death and the perv
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 12:37 PM Jay Weekley  wrote:
>> If he had any last thoughts before he died I'm sure he didn't regret 
>> worrying more or being angry more.
>> 
>> Jaime Solorza wrote:
>> > RIP
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 8:09 AM Ken Hohhof > > > wrote:
>> >
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>> > https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/grant-imahara-dead-mythbusters-host-was-49-1303101
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

[Chuck McCown]

Still, easy to find 28m hard to serve locations world wide without coming after 
our customers.  

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> On Jul 16, 2020, at 6:30 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 15 October 2019, the U.S. Federal Communications Commission submitted 
> filings to the International Telecommunication Union on SpaceX's behalf to 
> arrange spectrum for 30,000 additional Starlink satellites to supplement the 
> 12,000 Starlink satellites already approved by the FCC.[18]
>  
> So 42,000 total birds… so 28M potential customers…
>  
> 28M * $70 = $1,960,000,000 MRR not to shabby
>  
> Gino Villarini 
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> From: AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 3:49 PM
> To: "af@af.afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router
>  
> The good news is a half million sub limit.  They will easily find a half 
> million hard to serve locations around the globe without breaking a sweat.
> So the low hanging fruit are not our customers. 
>  
> From: dave
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 1:16 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router
>  
> Just install 40k of micropops :)
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/15/20 11:57 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> There are some details in this story that were new to me. One of the ones 
> that popped up was that each group of 60 Starlink satellites is expected to 
> support ~~ 40,000 subscribers. 
> 
> That puts the 800 satellite "moderate service level" at supporting about half 
> a million subscribers (~~ 533,000). 
> 
> In order to support a million subscribers, they will need about 1500 
> satellites. 
> 
> https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/starlink-router-fcc?_pos=19&_sid=a6c7fff07&_ss=r
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