You can pick your friends.
And you can pick your nose.
But you can’t pick your friend’s nose.
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> On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>
> Up your nose with a rubber hose.
> -Vinny Barbarino
>
> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 8:43 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>
> Doesn't matter what you touch as long as you wash your hands after any
> potential contact. You could stick your finger up an infected person's nose,
> and as long as you washed your hands, you are cool.
>
> I am not advocating that (just in case someone misinterprets what I'm saying).
>
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 4/12/2020 2:56 PM, Robert wrote:
> Depends upon what he touched on the outside. Anything the customer may have
> sneezed/coughed/touched spit even took a deep heavy breath on could have
> enough of this nasty if he didn't immediately sanitize after touching and
> getting back into his vehicle and spreading it around. Touch his face with
> an infected hand/glove and he's on the merry-go-round.. Touch his truck and
> someone else touches it.. Less likely but possible. 3-7 DAYS on metal
> surfaces is really bad if not sanitized. Door bells are a bad thing..
> Gates are a bad thing..
>
> On 4/12/20 2:15 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> If Steve’s tech really never went inside and came no closer than 10 feet to
> anyone, do you think the tech should still quarantine for 14 days?
>
> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:04 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>
> This is exactly why our company stopped all in person customer interactions
> on March 16th.
>
> Customers lie or don’t know they even have it, then your tech gets infected
> along with their whole family, then the rest of your crew.
>
> NO ONE SHOULD BE GOING INTO ANYONE ELSES HOUSE FOR A COUPLE MONTHS.
>
> We are only doing service calls if we can fix it from the outside. Internet
> is not worth someone dying over!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:17 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Im so pissed right now. Tech had a No Line Of Site wednesday. apparently
> customer got tested on, positive result today. My guess would be he was
> symptomatic wednesday if it was bad enough for a test the next day. I fin out
> he was already on quarantine wednesday, im going to probably lose my stuff.
> He answered negative to the questionnaire. The tech has been anal about this
> since day one. We went no touch last monday officially. he had no contact
> closer than 10 feet. Never went inside. sanitizes constantly. But we have no
> choice but to go down a tech for 14 day quarantine. We are closed tomorrow
> for a video-conference to regroup. Tuesday we will probably be sanitizing
> everything.
> there is little to no chance the tech caught it. he is writing down arrival
> to exit to help him remember if there is any chance of contamination.
> We have to try to get the health department to give us clear guidance on
> company operations over the next 2 weeks.
> If this guy lied on the questionnaire ...... Ill probably end up in jail. We
> have too much going on to be a man down, much less a whole company down. If
> he got my installer sick, and lied on the questionnaire, kunkgflu will not be
> his primary concern anymore
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:18 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You can get around the paywall using the Brave browser.
>
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 4/12/2020 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Interesting long article in today’s New York Times Sunday magazine on the
> case of James Cai, a physician’s assistant and the first coronavirus case in
> New Jersey.
>
> Yeah, yeah, yeah, NYT, biased liberal elite east coast mainstream media fake
> news … get over it, this article is not political. I am however reading the
> print version and while I Googled for a link to the online version it might
> be behind a paywall, or maybe they will let you read a limited number of
> articles free, I don’t know.
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/magazine/first-coronavirus-patient-new-jersey.html
>
> The story leaves you both hopeful and pessimistic. He got some treatments
> other than what the hospital wanted to use, but only through extensive
> intervention from doctor friends and people who read about him online. He
> did recover. Some of the nonstandard treatments may have worked. But you or
> I probably wouldn’t have gotten them. You realize how difficult it is to get
> something like remdesivir given the approvals needed. And the push to
> intubate rather than have you breathe the virus on hospital staff, even if
> it’s maybe not the best treatment. And how doctors and hospitals were slow
> to realize this disease was different.
>
>
> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 10:43 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>
> Because the fda doesnt approve without the trials, to avoid the liability.
> It's only approved off label use, hence, zero liability
>
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 10:12 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
> There is an actual mechanism for the FDA to avoid the liability, it's baked
> into the system now. It's how the friends got the treatment approved for
> their daughters.
>
> On 4/11/20 4:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> The FDA cant take the liability of "approving" anything without full trials.
> I dont blame them.
>
> We let everyone sue everyone, we did it to ourselves.
>
> Same reason Fauci uses code words to say the malaria drug works without
> saying it works or setting cnn off by agreeing with potus.
>
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 3:27 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
> I can't believe I am still hearing about "trials" on the pre-existing
> ebola treatment. Doctors are talking about 2/3's of test patients
> recovering after 2-3 days after administration. Seems like that would be
> a good enough "trial" to start massively treating patients instead of
> 20% survival.. What the heck is the real story? I know someone
> personally who fought the FDC to get a treatment that extended their
> daughters lives for 5 years and it was a nightmare. The conspiracy
> part of me wants to scream...
>
> On 4/11/20 12:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > Yeah, I am starting to get annoyed at the obsession with having enough
> > ventilators, describing them as "life saving equipment", leaving the
> > impression that most can be saved if you can just put them on a ventilator.
> > Yet stats out of NYC are 80% don't survive to come off the ventilator.
> > And you have to wonder if the 20% who do, did the vent actually save them,
> > or they would have survived even with less aggressive treatment.
> >
> > The news coverage leaves you thinking most of the ICU patients will be
> > saved if there's enough ventilators. When in reality doctors and nurses
> > are risking their own lives to treat ICU wards full of intubated, sedated
> > patients most of whom will die because they don't have an effective
> > treatment. Not a pretty story, probably why nobody wants to talk about it.
> >
> > There are trials of various treatments going on, it would be great if some
> > of them turned out to work. Not necessarily a cure or a vaccine, but a
> > therapy so less people die.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:57 PM
> > To: AFMUG <af@af.afmug.com>
> > Subject: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
> >
> >
> > Saw this in our local paper this morning. It's interesting to me because
> > it's bringing to light the fact that COVID-19 is apparently not what people
> > are dying from, it's the secondary ARDS-like (Accute Respiratory Distress
> > Syndrome) condition. There is also some debate within the medical community
> > whether ventilators are helping or hurting. Maybe what they need to do is
> > just supply oxygen.
> >
> > If this link doesn't work for you, I can email the article.
> >
> > https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/11/when-coronavirus-kills-its-like-death-by-drowning-and-doctors-disagree-on-best-treatment/
> >
> >
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