Sounds stronger. Rather have an air burst bear spray round for a handgun,
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> On Jul 11, 2020, at 8:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> According to this, bear spray is stronger. Maybe they're both true. I'm
> sure more than one specific product falls under the heading of "bear spray".'
>
> On 7/11/2020 8:21 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> According to this, bear spray has a lower concentration ofoleoresin capsicum
>> than pepper spray.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 7/11/2020 5:08 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> Varies by state.
>>>
>>> In NY it's the other way around. You can carry pepper spray for self
>>> defense, but typical bear spray exceeds the legal limit on capsaicin
>>> concentration. This was slightly amusing when the NY DEC advised campers
>>> and hikers to carry bear spray in the North Country. Apparently the forest
>>> rangers and other state agents CAN carry bear spray, but someone at the DEC
>>> was unaware that the rest of us plebeians aren't allowed to have it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/10/2020 3:58 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>> According to this, pepper spray is illegal, but bear spray is not. That
>>>> said, if you use it as a weapon, you are probably going to be charged.
>>>>
>>>> https://cottagelife.com/outdoors/whats-the-difference-between-bear-spray-and-pepper-spray/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/10/2020 12:47 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>>> Can you legally use that on people?
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Prince wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My wife is a big advocate of bear spray (Industrial strength pepper
>>>>>> spray). I do not know what the long term risks are to exposure to this
>>>>>> stuff, but the nice thing is that it can shoot a fairly long distance
>>>>>> (up to 40') and you can correct for aim while you're spraying. The one
>>>>>> she has is Counter Assault.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Counter-Assault-CA-18H-SB-10-2-Ounce/dp/B001DQ76JI/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=bear+spray&qid=1594408467&sr=8-2
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/10/2020 11:39 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>>>> If you have your fight or flight mechanism triggered, I don’t think you
>>>>>>> should lose your life just because you reacted out of fear.
>>>>>>> But man, how do you write regulations around these things and how do
>>>>>>> you condition cops to not protect their own lives in certain situations
>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>> They also get scared....
>>>>>>> Tough one. Great Britain banned beat cops from carrying handguns years
>>>>>>> ago. Not sure if that is still in effect.
>>>>>>> A really effective less than lethal would be great. Perhaps something
>>>>>>> that rends someone temporarily blind or confused or unconscious.
>>>>>>> Maybe the right frequency of microwaves modulated at some kind of brain
>>>>>>> wave frequency could do it.
>>>>>>> Anyone want to volunteer for testing?
>>>>>>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2020 12:14 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Might be political - trigger warning
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He fired the taser when they were in close contact (taser is now done).
>>>>>>> He then broke away and started running. Officer shot him in the back a
>>>>>>> long time after the taser had been discharged. Doesn't matter what he
>>>>>>> did with the taser at that point because it had been discharged.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/10/2020 10:21 AM, Charles Boening wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the Atlanta case the suspect took a taser from the other officer.
>>>>>>>> A taser that hadn’t been fired. He turned and shot that taser at the
>>>>>>>> office which prompted the office to shoot back. You can see that in
>>>>>>>> the video.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not saying it was justified or not. Just the fact that the suspect
>>>>>>>> even though fleeing, turned and shot a weapon at the officer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As for getting shot in the back, that’s easy if the suspect is running
>>>>>>>> away and turns their torso a bit then extends their arm towards the
>>>>>>>> officer giving chase. You can still have your back to the officer
>>>>>>>> giving chase yet present a threat to that officer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Note that this picture has the added benefit of daylight and is a
>>>>>>>> training scenario so tensions wouldn’t be as high. Also note that you
>>>>>>>> can’t tell what kind of weapon the suspect has. Is it real or fake?
>>>>>>>> Can’t really tell.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2020 9:48 AM
>>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Might be political - trigger warning
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> I think every situation is different. I also believe the police, in
>>>>>>>> general, have been given more slack than they should for quite some
>>>>>>>> time. The issue is how to deal with this. I do not envy cops. I have a
>>>>>>>> nephew who is a cop, and I worry about him all the time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One of the more recent cases was an individual who was resisting
>>>>>>>> arrest. He grabbed, and fired a taser. As I understand it, most tasers
>>>>>>>> are one-and-done. IOW, once the taser has been fired, the only
>>>>>>>> "weapon" characteristics it has are as a thrown projectile. That
>>>>>>>> individual was running away, and was shot in the back. Was that
>>>>>>>> justified? I would have a hard time accepting that as a justified
>>>>>>>> homicide. But that is only one example.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With the proliferation of cameras everywhere, this sort of thing is
>>>>>>>> going to come up more and more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/10/2020 9:32 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am largely ignorant of the issues faced in world of law
>>>>>>>> enforcement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And perhaps this is a broader philosophical question with no
>>>>>>>> clear answers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A guy, alone at night, in a city, near the location of a
>>>>>>>> reported armed robbery is confronted by cops, takes off running.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He drops what appears to be a gun, picks it up and keeps
>>>>>>>> running, should he be shot?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I understand that he may take a hostage or start shooting or
>>>>>>>> whatever. He may turn the gun on the cops.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I remember old cop and robber movies when I was a kid where the
>>>>>>>> cop would yell “stop or I’ll shoot”.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We had the above situation happen here in Utah a while back.
>>>>>>>> Cops were found to have done no wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> People are understandably upset.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A few years ago, a young man playing with a sword was stopped by
>>>>>>>> cops, he took off running with the sword and they shot and
>>>>>>>> killed him.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I presume the same justifications apply.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wonder how often someone with a weapon does harm after evading
>>>>>>>> the cops.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wonder how other countries confront the same problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If a human gets scared and runs due to uncontrolled fear, should
>>>>>>>> they be shot?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was only truly scared once in my life. Was in a bank robbery.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I understand that your rational thinking goes out the window a
>>>>>>>> bit when you are really scared.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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