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> On Feb 24, 2020, at 9:10 PM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote: > > This a/c had radar altimeter... youtube blancoliro channel for more. > > On 2/24/20 11:17 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: >> You'd never catch me flying in a chopper IFR unelss I had some sort of >> terrain following radar or radar altimeter. Too many wind towers, >> powerlines, and those pesky telecom towers .. >> >> I've flown with real chopper pilots and they always always are concerned >> with towers even though they need to stay above 500ft. >> >> Imagine fumbling around in this while you can't see a thing outside. >> >> >> >> -- >> Steven Kenney >> Network Operations Manager >> WaveDirect Telecommunications >> http://www.wavedirect.net >> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >> >> From: "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> >> To: "af" <af@af.afmug.com> >> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 2:04:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters >> >> The Sikorsky S-76B is a big bird. Not cheap. Maybe 10 to 13 million >> depending on condition. >> >> I suspect this has some parallels to the thing with Bill Graham 20 years ago >> or something. I think Graham pressured the pilot to fly even though the >> conditions were not very good (awful at that time). They hit power lines in >> low visibility. >> >> Helicopter pilots can sometimes cut corners. >> >> bp >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> On 2/24/2020 10:47 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: >> Doubt it. It was poor decision after poor decision. Should never have >> flown. Mist rolling in from the hills could obscure things below 1 mile >> easily. Choppers and mountains don't mix with all the updrafts and >> unpredictable wind patterns. ESPECIALLY downdrafts. (I like to fly the >> Huey in DCS and its a pain to land with a slight downdraft) >> >> Most choppers don't have much to navigate IFR other than an NDB if they are >> lucky they have a VOR which would require IFR and some preplanning. >> Especially in mountains. I'd assume since he was rich as hell that they'd >> have a GPS capable nav air like a GNS 530 (pretty cheap) so it would have >> some nav aids but not necessarily terrain loaded. >> >> It was just dumb to press your luck in an aircraft not designed for IFR "on >> the fly" >> >> -- >> Steven Kenney >> Network Operations Manager >> WaveDirect Telecommunications >> http://www.wavedirect.net >> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >> >> From: "chuck" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >> To: "af" <af@af.afmug.com> >> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:03:43 PM >> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters >> >> OK, so I am bored. Hit delete. >> >> The pilot of the helicopter is getting trashed because he asked for SVFR >> (special VFR) and got denied on a prior flight. He proceeded anyway. >> On the crash flight he asked for VFR flight following. They denied it due >> to his altitude. I have had that happen to me dozens of times. It does not >> indicate anything other than radar can only see so low. >> >> 91.155 >> A helicopter may be operated clear of clouds if operated at a speed that >> allows the pilot adequate opportunity to see any air traffic or obstruction >> in time to avoid a collision. >> >> 91.157 >> This part allows helicopters to fly SVFR even when flight visibility is >> below 1 statute mile when required for other aircraft. >> This part also allows helicopters to operate SVFR at night while other >> aircraft would have to be IFR certified with an instrument rated pilot. >> This part allows helicopters to take off or land a helicopter even when the >> ground visibility is below 1 statute mile. >> >> On the prior flight people are using to claim he was a bad pilot, he was >> proceeding low and slow as allowed but he was in a particular area of >> controlled airspace that required permission to do so. Not that it was >> reckless or dangerous. >> His only other option was trying to file what is called a “pop up” IFR >> flight plan. I have had to do that before when the weather changed. It is >> a pain, takes some radio time to do but it is a legal way forward. Or he >> could have found a place to land perhaps. He got busted doing what was >> probably the safest, but not legal, thing to do. >> >> I don’t think this calls his skills into question. >> >> The ship was flying but doing a rapid turning descent for some time before >> the crash. >> Either he got really bad vertigo or he was attempting to autorotate due to a >> mechanical failure. >> I don’t think he got vertigo. When you are in the clouds you use the >> autopilot if you have one. He had one. >> He was a high time IFR rated pilot. >> If you hit clouds you mind switches to using the instruments and getting >> yourself out of trouble or staying out of trouble. . >> >> This was a Sikorsky S-76B Very large helicopter. Has an auto pilot and >> almost certainly had an auto hover feature due to the fact that it was used >> for search and rescue in a prior life. You can simply stop them and hover >> if you find yourself uncertain of your position. >> >> Maybe he had a heart attack. >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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