Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Carl Peterson]

Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and
pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.
It doesn't belong here.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if
> this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having
> people going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.
>
> If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current
> executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of rep seats
> since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what plagues decimate.
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Brilliant!
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe send them via cruise ship.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>>
>>
>> We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM
>>
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the term
>> “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US healthcare
>> industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero
>> empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s
>> hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where
>> outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach
>> to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug
>> out!
>>
>>
>>
>> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first
>> page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse
>> because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.
>> With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting
>> all the hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This
>> appears to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25
>> firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to
>> that facility.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>>
>>
>> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have
>> enough patients
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
>> COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!
>>
>> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the end.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s
>> dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only
>> thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are
>> the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
>> cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
>> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>>
>>
>> You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  Some
>> part of you is rooting for it.
>>
>> Just a hypothesis.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared.
>> most of the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most
>> capable of utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes
>> boogity, we have the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never
>> understood why people on the right get very nervous about these things. a
>> lot like devout christians worying about end times and rapture.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys.  He is very alt
>> right too.  He might be Alex Jones... I have never seen them both at the
>> same place at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and rave here.  Can't do it
>> at home, wife just rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man.  Chuck, I
>> know you are saving me a few $ in therapy.  So, Thank You.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>>
>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> www.Myakka.com
>>
>> --
>>
>> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (i

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Carl Peterson]

It's extremist to accuse me and people like me of wanting a tragic outcome,
ie to want people to suffer and die.  Please keep your extremist right wing
BS off this list.

"If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current
executive" <-- This BS has no place on this list.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:51 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it
> would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl.
> how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like
> chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in
> nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting
> people in a quarantine have the choice?
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and
>> pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.
>> It doesn't belong here.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if
>>> this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having
>>> people going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.
>>>
>>> If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the
>>> current executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of
>>> rep seats since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what
>>> plagues decimate.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Brilliant!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe send them via cruise ship.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM
>>>>
>>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the
>>>> term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US
>>>> healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim
>>>> for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.
>>>> Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas
>>>> where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular
>>>> approach to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time
>>>> for a bug out!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first
>>>> page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse
>>>> because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.
>>>> With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting
>>>> all the hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This
>>>> appears to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25
>>>> firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to
>>>> that facility.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have
>>>> enough patients
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
>>>> COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!
>>>>
>>>> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the
>>>> end.
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Carl Peterson]

Wait, so ~25% of the known cases in Washington have died?  I know it hit a
nursing home but thats pretty rough.

"Of the 150 people who have tested positive for COVID-19 in the United
States, 39 are in Washington, making it the worst hit state. Ten residents
have died as of Wednesday."

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 2:31 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> If you lick, we must convict.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 3/6/2020 12:23 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > There's nothing you can't Google:
> >
> https://www.businessinsider.my/washington-state-asks-voters-no-licking-mail-in-ballots-coronavirus-2020-3
> >
> > And they have a slogan:  "Whether healthy or sick, please don't lick."
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> > Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 1:54 PM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
> >
> > Gargle with bleach before and after each lick.
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 3/6/2020 10:28 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> >> As long as it's not opened in a week..   So lick and hold?
> >>
> >> On 03/06/2020 10:24 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >>> I was paying bills for the business yesterday and must have licked
> >>> two dozen envelopes.
> >>>
> >>> Afterward, I thought, should I not be doing that?  If so, I wonder if
> >>> tape or a glue stick or a wet sponge is the way to go.  And then wash
> >>> your hands after opening all those bills from who knows where.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> >>> Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 11:36 AM
> >>> To: af@af.afmug.com
> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Virus
> >>>
> >>> Coronavirus Passes Over Houses With Chick-Fil-A Sauce Smeared On Door
> >>> Posts
> >>>
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Carl Peterson]

"If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."

IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
flatten the curve.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>> safety of everyone.
>>
>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>
>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
>> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
>> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>> financially.
>>
>>
>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>
>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Carl Peterson]

Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the
infrastructure of society".

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
> swine flu, and we made it though it
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>>
>> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
>> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
>> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
>> flatten the curve.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>>>> safety of everyone.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>>>
>>>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>>>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We
>>>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>>>> financially.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>>>
>>>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> -Sean
>>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

[Carl Peterson]

Just loads the header.



On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:23 PM  wrote:

> We had some issues.  Maybe it is fixed.  Looks good to me but not to Josh.
>
> Could the borg see if our site is working properly please?
> https://www.mccowntech.com
> https://www.mccowntech.com/technology-products/
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Carl Peterson]

Josh,  Not sure why you would display it with "Other Locations" filtered
and I'm not sure what your point it re recoveries.  That the vast majority
who contract this will get better?  No one contests that.  Clearly China's
containment, although it would seem draconian here, has been effective in
flattening their curve somewhat.  In the US we are at the very beginning of
what will be a rapid rise in cases (1135 confirmed as of today) and have an
opportunity to flatten the curve with much less draconian
voluntary measures.
[image: Screen Shot 2020-03-11 at 4.13.21 PM.png]


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:06 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> And the green line.  What is that?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 4:10 PM Eric Nielsen  wrote:
>
>> That graph is for mainland China numbers, i believe. Isn’t it?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:07 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Did you see the graph?  Infection count is flat and recovery numbers
>>> have almost caught up.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 3:30 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.

 The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
 hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
 ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
 curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
 difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
 stretched over time.

 Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

 Thanks for sharing!

 -Sean


 On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
 wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:

>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for
>>> the safety of everyone.
>>>
>>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>>
>>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially. 
>>>  We
>>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>>> financially.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive

[Carl Peterson]

Hard to know when to catch the falling knife so if you believe in DOW 30K
by EOY then any time is a good time.  I think there is some more space for
down but who really knows.  Individual stocks may be a better bet -
everything is getting dragged down with the stuff that may die / have real
long term damage.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 8:57 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Stock market down 9.3% right now. Already went through 1 circuit breaker
> pause this morning. Is this the time to buy in? Dow Jones currently at
> 21,442. I believe it will go back up to 30,000 by the end of the year.
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Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive

[Carl Peterson]

BA is off its lows because the Fed announced they are essentially going to
dump a bunch of cash into the markets to free up some liquidity - There is
real risk that banks could freeze BA's line of credit and that could kill
BA.  The fundamentals still suck but people are betting on a liquidity
bailout from the feds.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:55 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Traders must be thinking airlines will be hit hard and will cancel a lot
> of planes they’ve ordered?
>
>
>
> It was hard to believe things could get worse for Boeing after the past
> year.  But I guess things can always get worse.  The BA price graph looks
> like a plane that MCAS is flying into the ground.
>
>
>
> Anyway, BA is off its lows for the day and the DJIA keeps going lower, so
> they are converging.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:40 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive
>
>
>
> I would think that a 30 or 60 day pause in air traffic would give them a
> little breathing room for their 373 Max problem.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/12/2020 9:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Well, Boeing (BA) is getting the crap kicked out of it.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:59 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive
>
>
>
> Hard to beat moviepass.
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:35 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive
>
>
>
> If Invest in anything Ill let you guys know what to avoid, my last
> investment was keyon, so im the plague
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 10:17 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> So buy Princess Cruises, sell Purell and Charmin?
>
>
>
> BTW, I heard on the radio yesterday that the CME would be closing their
> trading floor starting tomorrow and going all-electronic.  Radio
> commentator was speculating that if that went OK, you could see it become
> permanent, with floor traders becoming extinct.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:17 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive
>
>
>
> I wish I had a ton of dough to put in there. So much money to be made. Its
> so worth getting in. Theres no risk right now, unless its a company that
> goes defunct. If it all collapses, it doesnt matter, your dollars equal to
> a Venezuelan dollar at that point
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:03 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> Hard to know when to catch the falling knife so if you believe in DOW 30K
> by EOY then any time is a good time.  I think there is some more space for
> down but who really knows.  Individual stocks may be a better bet -
> everything is getting dragged down with the stuff that may die / have real
> long term damage.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 8:57 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> Stock market down 9.3% right now. Already went through 1 circuit breaker
> pause this morning. Is this the time to buy in? Dow Jones currently at
> 21,442. I believe it will go back up to 30,000 by the end of the year.
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Carl Peterson]

We have them in MN as well, but that's pretty much the same as Wisconsin
except with better everything.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:43 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Well we have them pretty much year round in Wisconsin but I thought other
> places had them during Lent too.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Keefe John
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 12:39 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> Even more so a Wisconsin thing. :)
>
>
> Keefe John
>
> CEO
>
> Ethoplex
> Direct: 262.345.5200
>
> 
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> http://www.signalisp.com/
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>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:31 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> We should have a fish fry.   Is that only a Midwest thing?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:48 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent.
>
>
>
> But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
>
> But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
>
> If we dropped the ball so did many nations.
>
>
>
> No need to reply.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> I agree with Carl.
>
> Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let
> that sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now
> we are suffering the consequences.
>
> You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the
> infrastructure of society".
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
> swine flu, and we made it though it
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>
>
>
> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
> flatten the curve.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
>
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
>
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>
>
>
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Carl Peterson]

e something of a national scandal, and it’s easy to see why when you
>>> compare the US testing rate to that of other affected countries. South
>>> Korea stands out for its rapid rollout of extensive testing, including
>>> through innovative drive-through testing programs.
>>>
>>> Drive-through testing is being piloted in some parts of the US, like New
>>> Hampshire, but we still have a long way to go before we match South Korean
>>> and Chinese testing levels.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/12/2020 6:06 PM, Robert wrote:
>>>
>>> i.e. Ostrich syndrome, the US had it bad.   Still has it bad.   The one
>>> bright note I saw today was the director of the CDC getting put in a corner
>>> to commit to free testing for C-19 for every person in the US.  No need to
>>> actually work on the actuals of it but the commitment is primary unless
>>> someone fires him...
>>>
>>> On 3/12/20 9:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>
>>> IMO, I think disbanding the pandemic response team in 2018 was not a
>>> wise decision. If they were still operating when this started late last
>>> year, they could/would have started the production of test kits based on
>>> our earliest knowledge of the RNA test needed to identify it. Then we would
>>> have had real information on the extent of the outbreak here. Instead, we
>>> went for weeks under the mistaken impression that it was not here. It was,
>>> we just had our heads in the sand.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/12/2020 9:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent.
>>>
>>> But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
>>> But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
>>> If we dropped the ball so did many nations.
>>>
>>> No need to reply.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>>>
>>> I agree with Carl.
>>> Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading
>>> exponentially...let that sink in. Our current administration dropped the
>>> ball on this one.  Now we are suffering the consequences.
>>> You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down
>>>> the infrastructure of society".
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
>>>>> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen 
>>>>> during
>>>>> swine flu, and we made it though it
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson <
>>>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
>>>>>> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
>>>>>> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
>>>>>> flatten the curve.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman <
>>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for
>>>>>>>> the safety of everyone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

[Carl Peterson]

FYI Steve childrens Motrin is exactly the same as infant motrin.  Same
Mg/Ml.  Infants just costs 5X as much per ML and comes in a smaller
bottle.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 9:10 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> I was thinking about this today when i stopped at the 4th store looking
> for infant motrin. I used the public restroom. handsfree urinal, handsfree
> soap, handsfree sink, handsfree paper towel, looped door handle for opening
> with the elbow. Other than our nasty elbows, we are a pretty aseptic nation
> as a whole. Its quite possible we are more prepared than we think and this
> thing hasnt hit everyone elses curve here because we just dont have as much
> of it. (i know, i know, we have only done 30 some thousand tests, but of
> those, most are negative, 4600 or so)
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

[Carl Peterson]

years (or never) before
> we understand the scope of this.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/19/2020 11:37 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I still believe North Korea has a huge problem that they are covering up.
> Especially in the labor camps.  Communal sleeping barns etc.  No sanitation
> facilities.
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 12:34 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
>
>
>
> Only if they attribute it properly. There is plenty of data to indicate
> that deaths have been incorrectly attributed,
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/19/2020 11:09 AM, James Howard wrote:
>
> the death count is the death count
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Re: [AFMUG] this list

[Carl Peterson]

I'm getting hungry.  Need to see lunch.

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:38 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Give me a few
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 10:20 AM  wrote:
>
>> Folks, we have had several new subscriptions to this list... welcome new
>> folks.
>> I promise we are not all about Covid19.  We actually do talk about
>> wireless internet issues and products here, some times.
>>
>> Sometimes we also post photos of what we had for lunch.
>>
>> Jaime, what is for lunch today?
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Re: [AFMUG] this list

[Carl Peterson]

Except he would film it with a blurry flip phone camera in portrait mode.
:)

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 1:40 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Now I want you to start a YouTube channel.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2020 1:26 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] this list
>
>
>
> Here you go...late breakfast omelette..
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 11:08 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> I'm getting hungry.  Need to see lunch.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:38 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Give me a few
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 10:20 AM  wrote:
>
> Folks, we have had several new subscriptions to this list... welcome new
> folks.
>
> I promise we are not all about Covid19.  We actually do talk about
> wireless internet issues and products here, some times.
>
>
>
> Sometimes we also post photos of what we had for lunch.
>
>
>
> Jaime, what is for lunch today?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT People

[Carl Peterson]

It is hard to separate the chaff from the wheat.  The same goes for
corporate bailouts and interest free money.  Some might actually be needed,
but plenty of it goes straight into the pockets of shareholders in the from
of stock buyback or is lent right back to the treasury (buying up
government debt) at interest.  There is a tendency to look down at
individuals that work the system, but corporations that work the system are
doing their duty to maximize shareholder value.  Something pretty perverse
about that.

Any way you write the law, it will be worked to benefit those who don't
need it.  The more restrictive it is, the more it will benefit those who
are good at working the system which often isn't those who actually need
it.  This goes for corporate bailouts and interest free money even more
so.  Plenty of small businesses are really going to need help but if the
conditions are too onerous they won't have the ability to jump through all
the hoops.



On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 10:47 AM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Well, here is a great discussion on the Subject of Disability,
> unemployment, and the fleecing we are getting
> 
> It is an NPR article so I doubt many would call it conservatively biased.
> The fact is, when people run out of other types of programs, like welfare,
> they go straight for disability,.
>
> Wish I could get my wife on that train. She recently joined the ranks fo
> the unemployed due to her retail job closing shop but I can't seem to get
> her to either look for a job or file for unemployment. I have paid for
> unemployment for decades and never used it. I guess this is anecdotal study
> on human nature. Until someone experiences negative consequences they feel
> no need to do anything. Well, some people.
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 10:13 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Some eligible disabilities would be very easy to fake.  Agoraphobia for
>> example.
>>
>> I have no data on how prevalent such fakery really is.  Different
>> political groups will tell us different stories on that...but it's
>> certainly not hard to do.
>>
>> An average disability payment is $1258/month (anywhere from $800-$3000
>> based on a formula with a lot of factors).  If your only income is
>> disability then you probably also qualify for HEAP and SNAP.   HEAP would
>> get you $375/month if you have gas heat (more for oil or propane, but
>> presumably because those cost moreI wouldn't know). OR it would get you
>> $35/month if you have utilities included in your rent. SNAP could provide
>> up to $194/month for a single person in NY.
>>
>> If I'm a single person with an average disability payment, getting $35
>> from HEAP and $194 from SNAP then that's roughly equal to $9.29/hour.  You
>> wouldn't pay income tax on that, but a person making $9/hour is getting
>> pretty much everything refunded every April anywayso it's really about
>> the same.  You won't live a good life, but you won't have to take any crap
>> from The Man either.
>>
>> If you have a child or two you can get another few hundred from TANF, but
>> TANF requires you to work and/or look for work so you have to optimize that
>> one by working exactly the right amount and then get fired.  Ideally get
>> those kids diagnosed with autism or some such so you can start collecting
>> disability checks on their behalf toothen you don't have to worry about
>> optimizing TANF anymore.  You only get 5 years of TANF, but if you can't at
>> least one doctor to say your kids has a disability within 5 years then you
>> probably aren't trying hard.  Medicare is paying for these doctor visits,
>> so just keep going and make sure to complain about all the right symptoms.
>>
>> On the one hand I have a brother with >100% disability due to injuries
>> sustained in Afghanistan, so I'm not saying these programs should go away.
>> On the other hand I have an ex-sister in law who gets a disability check
>> for her psychological issues, and also has 3 children diagnosed with
>> autism, so she gets additional benefits for the 3 of them.   I think her
>> real disability is being an unreasonable person and I think childhood
>> autism symptoms look suspiciously like the standard behavior of bratty kids
>> you aren't paying any attention to.
>>
>> Again, I don't know how many people like that are out there (hopefully
>> not too many), but there's definitely a road-map already laid out for your
>> friend's daughter to be able to live a frugal, but not uncomfortable life
>> without having to work 40 hours and contribute to society.
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 3/24/2020 12:22 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> a friend of a friend recently told me of a story they're having to deal
>> with.  Daughter "got into a bad situation" and was offered a roof where
>> relative was living in another state.  After making the "mad dash" to
>> "rescue" her, she's being very difficult.  They tried to help find her a
>> job.  She wasn't interested.  Had 

Re: [AFMUG] OT People

[Carl Peterson]

That's from the article Lewis posted above my comment...

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:33 AM  wrote:

> Several years back, NPR – possibly This American Life – had l long bit
> about a company that is paid by the Guvmnt to help people qualify for
> disability.  In other words to find any trick possible to get them on
> disability.  Fascinating.
> Tax dollars at work.
>
> Found it.  An excerpt:
> "Just out of curiosity, what is your disability?" the judge asked from the
> bench.
> "I have high blood pressure," the man said.
> "So do I," the judge said. "What else?"
> "I have diabetes."
> "So do I."
>
> https://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/
>
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 9:46 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT People
>
> Well, here is a great discussion on the Subject of Disability,
> unemployment, and the fleecing we are getting
> 
> It is an NPR article so I doubt many would call it conservatively biased.
> The fact is, when people run out of other types of programs, like welfare,
> they go straight for disability,.
>
> Wish I could get my wife on that train. She recently joined the ranks fo
> the unemployed due to her retail job closing shop but I can't seem to get
> her to either look for a job or file for unemployment. I have paid for
> unemployment for decades and never used it. I guess this is anecdotal study
> on human nature. Until someone experiences negative consequences they feel
> no need to do anything. Well, some people.
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 10:13 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Some eligible disabilities would be very easy to fake.  Agoraphobia for
>> example.
>>
>> I have no data on how prevalent such fakery really is.  Different
>> political groups will tell us different stories on that...but it's
>> certainly not hard to do.
>>
>> An average disability payment is $1258/month (anywhere from $800-$3000
>> based on a formula with a lot of factors).  If your only income is
>> disability then you probably also qualify for HEAP and SNAP.   HEAP would
>> get you $375/month if you have gas heat (more for oil or propane, but
>> presumably because those cost moreI wouldn't know). OR it would get you
>> $35/month if you have utilities included in your rent. SNAP could provide
>> up to $194/month for a single person in NY.
>>
>> If I'm a single person with an average disability payment, getting $35
>> from HEAP and $194 from SNAP then that's roughly equal to $9.29/hour.  You
>> wouldn't pay income tax on that, but a person making $9/hour is getting
>> pretty much everything refunded every April anywayso it's really about
>> the same.  You won't live a good life, but you won't have to take any crap
>> from The Man either.
>>
>> If you have a child or two you can get another few hundred from TANF, but
>> TANF requires you to work and/or look for work so you have to optimize that
>> one by working exactly the right amount and then get fired.  Ideally get
>> those kids diagnosed with autism or some such so you can start collecting
>> disability checks on their behalf toothen you don't have to worry about
>> optimizing TANF anymore.  You only get 5 years of TANF, but if you can't at
>> least one doctor to say your kids has a disability within 5 years then you
>> probably aren't trying hard.  Medicare is paying for these doctor visits,
>> so just keep going and make sure to complain about all the right symptoms.
>>
>> On the one hand I have a brother with >100% disability due to injuries
>> sustained in Afghanistan, so I'm not saying these programs should go away.
>> On the other hand I have an ex-sister in law who gets a disability check
>> for her psychological issues, and also has 3 children diagnosed with
>> autism, so she gets additional benefits for the 3 of them.   I think her
>> real disability is being an unreasonable person and I think childhood
>> autism symptoms look suspiciously like the standard behavior of bratty kids
>> you aren't paying any attention to.
>>
>> Again, I don't know how many people like that are out there (hopefully
>> not too many), but there's definitely a road-map already laid out for your
>> friend's daughter to be able to live a frugal, but not uncomfortable life
>> without having to work 40 hours and contribute to society.
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 3/24/2020 12:22 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> a friend of a friend recently told me of a story they're having to deal
>> with.  Daughter "got into a bad situation" and was offered a roof where
>> relative was living in another state.  After making the "mad dash" to
>> "rescue" her, she's being very difficult.  They tried to help find her a
>> job.  She wasn't interested.  Had apparently been watching too much bernie
>> sanders or something.  Explained the job.  Response was how dare you
>> interrupt my private time.  Tell you what, i'll consider the job for no
>> more than $15 an hour.  Friend explained n

Re: [AFMUG] 450m "MUX Gain"

[Carl Peterson]

4X is a reasonable urban multiplier with good spacing.  We are using them
as on overlay to offload capacity so we can pick and choose clients to move
over and spread them across the sector.

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 10:02 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> In the Cambium capacity planner you can set a "MUX Gain" value to
> account for MU-MIMO.  It seems to simply multiply the system capacity by
> the MUX gain. The default value is 3.0.
>
> Has anyone experienced an actual trippling of capacity with the 450m?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

[Carl Peterson]

Have them scan a QR code that brings up their ticket

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 5:28 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Getting out of the truck to go into the scale shack is a big part of the
> problem.  And having a bunch of sheets of paper in the cab is a problem too.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Seems like we’re overthinking it.  What exactly is the problem with the
> current system?
>
>
>
> Is it the wasted paper?  I think someone suggested recycling the old
> slips.  Maybe they just need a bin for the drivers to throw the old slips
> in.
>
>
>
> Look how hard it is to get doctors and lawyers to stop using FAX.  And if
> you suggest eFAX, it’s like you farted in church.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:33 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone
>
>
>
> They think that is too much effort
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> 
>
> If they could print a PDF, they could text it to you.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/25/2020 3:25 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless.  I suggested they
> email the scale ticket to the driver.  They don’t want to attempt to load
> in all the different drivers’ cell phone numbers.  If there is a way using
> bluetooth or something to just display the scale info without too much
> setup it could work.  If a driver gets stopped by the highway patrol, if
> they have a scale ticket that is fairly fresh they will not have their
> weight questioned.  So while not a legal requirement to have a scale ticket
> it is good to have one.
>
>
>
> But if you are making lots of trips each day the papers build up.  Like to
> make it easy to just zap the info to something on the drivers’ phone.  The
> UHP said they would be fine with something on the phone.
>
>
>
> Gotta make it easy to integrate with their front office scale ticketing
> software.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy

[Carl Peterson]

is that a euphemism?

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 3:23 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I'm betting it just displays signal level, but now your hands are free to
> play with the antenna.
>
>
> On 3/30/2020 4:18 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> OK, so they need to activate the camera and have the inclination on the
> screen.  Maybe they do but I couldn’t read the phone screen.
>
> *From:* Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 1:05 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
>
> Doh I just noticed you're the one who posted the thread! Shows me for not
> paying attention.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 12:05 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
>> Here's your answer Ken. It's for a cell phone.
>>
>>
>> https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Post-sticking-up-on-new-450b-high-gain/m-p/116485#M9134
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:05 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> They also moved the LEDs to where you can actually see them.  Might not
>>> be easy, but the old ones were impossible, especially with a radome.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 11:48 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank god the original cord grip was a PITA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:42 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, at least they did on the 3 GHz version.  My guess would be they
>>> also did on the 5 GHz version but old stock would have to be flushed out
>>> first, that’s just my guess though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 10:46 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> did they change the cord grip yet for the Ethernet cable?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 6:48 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> If I understand the question, the answer is yes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 5:25 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is it aligned with the plane of the signal, like could you attach an
>>> inclinometer to it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 3:01 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>>
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The new version 450b high gain has an added vertical post sticking up
>>> from the plastic housing on the rear.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anybody know what this is for?  Just curious.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (I don’t know if the equivalent ePMP Force radios have this.)
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

[Carl Peterson]

I would think you would want a strike.  Like taking the solenoid from a
starter and using that to strike a metal disk.  Disc would need appropriate
waveguide to interface with conduit.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 3:35 PM  wrote:

> I hear it hurts.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:33 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update
>
>
> Yeahminiature thunder.
> On 4/2/2020 4:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I vaguely remember something from about 30 years ago, where they were
> using focused ultrasound to break up kidney stones.  It looks like the
> technical term is focused ultrasound lithotripsy.  My recollection is they
> used a high voltage spark for the sound source.
>
>
>
> High voltage spark sounds like it would be in your wheelhouse.  Might not
> work, but still sounds like fun.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:45 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update
>
>
>
> What's this for anyway?
>
> Big sharp noise through a pipe is what I believe you said you
> wanted.but what is the purpose?
>
> I suppose a gunshot sounds sharp in human terms, but it's really rapidly
> expanding gasses being released.  In hindsight it makes sense that there
> would be an initial burst followed by diminishing secondary noises.  If
> that's an issue, then aren't echoes in the pipe an issue too? I don't see
> how you would avoid the echoes.
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
> On 4/2/2020 3:37 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Walther handgun will not fire power hammer loads.  Does not seem to strike
> the rim at all.
>
> But a 1908 Savage rifle will.
>
> Seems gunshots are not a sharp impulse.  Just a burst of noise I have
> discovered.  No where near a perfect impulse.
>
> So having fun and probably scaring people driving up the highway but on a
> quest for a high quality shock wave/sound impulse.
>
> Recording engineers use balloons and clappers.
>
>
>
> I have a high power speaker driver coming.  Going to see what happens when
> I get close to blowing it out with a capacitor discharge.
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

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I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i guess
>>> it could make sense.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:33 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you
>>>> are talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I
>>>>> went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there wouldn't
>>>>> be any icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex because the
>>>>> radio manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango and
>>>>> Telrad).  I went with individual cables because any tower climber can
>>>>> replace a cable, but I don't expect most tower climbers to be able to
>>>>> splice or terminate fiber.
>>>>>
>>>>> Today I'd strongly consider a Commscope OFDC enclosure up on the
>>>>> tower.  I'd use a 24F and pre-splice all the connectors in the OFDC and
>>>>> have the tower guys hang the whole assembly.  Then it would be pre
>>>>> terminated jumpers from the OFDC to the equipment.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/30/2020 5:34 PM, Matt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Carl Peterson]

m...@savvitechnologies.com - they are actually built in China but we just
pay shipping from his WH in SC.  Takes time though so we order in
quantity.
Our Purchase description looks like this.  "Genuine Corning or OFS EZBEND
4.8 ruggedized black jumper SCAPC to SCUPC 100ft" - Change the description
to what you want, i.e SCUPC to SCUPC XXXft.

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:47 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> I'd recommend using SCA  cassettes and SCA-SCU OD patch cables. (or SCU
> cassettes and SCU-SCU cables)  I've got a source in SC that builds the
> patch cables out of 4.8MM OD cable - You can also source them from Corning
> etc.  Much easier to get an outdoor simplex patch cable in SC rather than
> LC.  We've standardized on SCA for our plant because we do a lot of
> GPON and that is the defacto standard.
>
> If you are new to MPO/MPT, pay attention to male/female pins and to
> polarity.  They will try to get you to do A on one end and B on the other
> because they don't understand that you want it for BiDi and want straight
> through.  Use A on both ends for straight through.
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:28 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Got it.  Yeah, I meant to link to a SM cassette (not MM).
>>
>> Thanks, Mark & Jared.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>
>>> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure
>>> you have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering
>>> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx
>>> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
>>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have
>>> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
>>> be fine.
>>>
>>> Jared
>>>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
>>> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
>>> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>>> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>>>
>>> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
>>> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
>>> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
>>> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
>>> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
>>> experience with BiDi.
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
>>> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is
>>>> what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
>>>> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
>>>> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>>>>
>>>> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex
>>>> Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>>
>>>> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
>>>> enclosure to each radio SFP
>>>> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>>>>
>>>> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
>>>> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
>>>> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and use
>>>> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the
>>>> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
>>>> 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
>>>> with Medusa AP's.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Carl Peterson]

Yes, exactly.  If you are doing BiDi, you want straight through.  Not that
cross pair won't work, but fiber 1 on one end won't match up with 1 on the
other etc.  If you use all straight through cables, cassettes etc
everything works.  They did the same thing to me on my first order so I
have one building where pairs are really hard to trace.


On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 7:58 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> Carl,
>
> FS is recommending that I choose "Type C Cross-Pair" for polarity when
> ordering the MPT trunk cable.  Are you saying this is incorrect and I
> should choose "Type A Straight Thru"?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Josh
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 11:48 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> I'd recommend using SCA  cassettes and SCA-SCU OD patch cables. (or SCU
>> cassettes and SCU-SCU cables)  I've got a source in SC that builds the
>> patch cables out of 4.8MM OD cable - You can also source them from Corning
>> etc.  Much easier to get an outdoor simplex patch cable in SC rather than
>> LC.  We've standardized on SCA for our plant because we do a lot of
>> GPON and that is the defacto standard.
>>
>> If you are new to MPO/MPT, pay attention to male/female pins and to
>> polarity.  They will try to get you to do A on one end and B on the other
>> because they don't understand that you want it for BiDi and want straight
>> through.  Use A on both ends for straight through.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:28 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> Got it.  Yeah, I meant to link to a SM cassette (not MM).
>>>
>>> Thanks, Mark & Jared.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>>
>>>> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure
>>>> you have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering
>>>> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx
>>>> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
>>>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have
>>>> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
>>>> be fine.
>>>>
>>>> Jared
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
>>>> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
>>>> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>>>> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>>>>
>>>> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
>>>> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
>>>> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
>>>> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
>>>> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
>>>> experience with BiDi.
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
>>>> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
>>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this
>>>>> is what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
>>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
>>>>> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
>>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
>>>>> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex
>>>>> Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
>>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
>>>>> enclosure to each radio SFP
>>>>> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. For Power run individual power wires o

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Carl Peterson]

 un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i guess
>>> it could make sense.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:33 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you
>>>> are talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I
>>>>> went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there wouldn't
>>>>> be any icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex because the
>>>>> radio manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango and
>>>>> Telrad).  I went with individual cables because any tower climber can
>>>>> replace a cable, but I don't expect most tower climbers to be able to
>>>>> splice or terminate fiber.
>>>>>
>>>>> Today I'd strongly consider a Commscope OFDC enclosure up on the
>>>>> tower.  I'd use a 24F and pre-splice all the connectors in the OFDC and
>>>>> have the tower guys hang the whole assembly.  Then it would be pre
>>>>> terminated jumpers from the OFDC to the equipment.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/30/2020 5:34 PM, Matt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Carl Peterson]

hold on- A is key up to key down.  You want the keys the same so you want a
Type B cable.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:26 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Type A Female to Female cable.
> Type A cassettes on BOTH ends.  (Male pins in the cassettes which is
> default for FS and most cassettes)
>
> That's it.
>
> Not rocket science.
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:23 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> So - I don't think it's possible to use BiDI when using the cassettes as
>> recommended by FS.. but I'm still trying to wrap my head around it.
>>
>> They recommended this:
>>
>> * https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html (12fiber, MTP female on both
>> ends, Type "A" polarity)
>> * https://www.fs.com/products/57016.html on one end (Type A cassette)
>> * https://www.fs.com/products/57037.html on the other end (Type AF
>> cassette)
>>
>> They also said that BiDI will not work due to the polarity mis-match on
>> TX/RX.
>>
>> Does this sound right?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>
>>> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure
>>> you have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering
>>> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx
>>> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
>>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have
>>> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
>>> be fine.
>>>
>>> Jared
>>>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
>>> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
>>> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>>> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>>>
>>> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
>>> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
>>> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
>>> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
>>> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
>>> experience with BiDi.
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
>>> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is
>>>> what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
>>>> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
>>>> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>>>>
>>>> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex
>>>> Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>>
>>>> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
>>>> enclosure to each radio SFP
>>>> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>>>>
>>>> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
>>>> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
>>>> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and use
>>>> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the
>>>> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
>>>> 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
>>>> with Medusa AP's.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top
>>>> enclosure 

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Carl Peterson]

I'm confusing myself.  Let me pull up a diagram.


On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:29 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> Got it, thanks for the hand holding.  :)
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 9:27 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Type A Female to Female cable.
>> Type A cassettes on BOTH ends.  (Male pins in the cassettes which is
>> default for FS and most cassettes)
>>
>> That's it.
>>
>> Not rocket science.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:23 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> So - I don't think it's possible to use BiDI when using the cassettes as
>>> recommended by FS.. but I'm still trying to wrap my head around it.
>>>
>>> They recommended this:
>>>
>>> * https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html (12fiber, MTP female on both
>>> ends, Type "A" polarity)
>>> * https://www.fs.com/products/57016.html on one end (Type A cassette)
>>> * https://www.fs.com/products/57037.html on the other end (Type AF
>>> cassette)
>>>
>>> They also said that BiDI will not work due to the polarity mis-match on
>>> TX/RX.
>>>
>>> Does this sound right?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>>
>>>> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure
>>>> you have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering
>>>> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx
>>>> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
>>>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have
>>>> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
>>>> be fine.
>>>>
>>>> Jared
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
>>>> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
>>>> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>>>> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>>>>
>>>> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
>>>> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
>>>> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
>>>> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
>>>> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
>>>> experience with BiDi.
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
>>>> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
>>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this
>>>>> is what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
>>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
>>>>> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
>>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
>>>>> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex
>>>>> Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
>>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
>>>>> enclosure to each radio SFP
>>>>> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
>>>>> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
>>>>> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and 
>>>>> use
>>>>> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from 
>>>>> the
>>>>> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are 

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Carl Peterson]

I just drew it out and checked my last order - all type A.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:31 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> I'm confusing myself.  Let me pull up a diagram.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:29 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Got it, thanks for the hand holding.  :)
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 9:27 AM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Type A Female to Female cable.
>>> Type A cassettes on BOTH ends.  (Male pins in the cassettes which is
>>> default for FS and most cassettes)
>>>
>>> That's it.
>>>
>>> Not rocket science.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:23 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>
>>>> So - I don't think it's possible to use BiDI when using the
>>>> cassettes as recommended by FS.. but I'm still trying to wrap my head
>>>> around it.
>>>>
>>>> They recommended this:
>>>>
>>>> * https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html (12fiber, MTP female on both
>>>> ends, Type "A" polarity)
>>>> * https://www.fs.com/products/57016.html on one end (Type A cassette)
>>>> * https://www.fs.com/products/57037.html on the other end (Type AF
>>>> cassette)
>>>>
>>>> They also said that BiDI will not work due to the polarity mis-match on
>>>> TX/RX.
>>>>
>>>> Does this sound right?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure
>>>>> you have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when 
>>>>> ordering
>>>>> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match 
>>>>> Rx
>>>>> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
>>>>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or 
>>>>> have
>>>>> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
>>>>> be fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jared
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
>>>>> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
>>>>> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>>>>> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>>>>>
>>>>> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
>>>>> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use 
>>>>> BiDi
>>>>> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
>>>>> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
>>>>> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
>>>>> experience with BiDi.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
>>>>> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
>>>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this
>>>>>> is what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
>>>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
>>>>>> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
>>>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged
>>>>>> outdoor version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex
>>>>>> Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
>>>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower
>>>>>> Top enclosure to each radio SFP
>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Carl Peterson]

This is a type A cable.  Now imagine this was just a flat ribbon fiber and
you bent it in a U without twisting the ribbon placing both MPOs on top of
each other.  Both Keys would be UP and fibers would be straight through.

If you then took two identical cassettes and plugged them in, pairs would
match up (wouldn't matter what the cassettes were but you might as well use
straight through)
[image: Screen Shot 2020-04-06 at 8.37.47 AM.png]

If you wanted to use a duplex SFP, you would just need to flip the polarity
on one of your patch cables.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:37 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> I just drew it out and checked my last order - all type A.
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:31 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm confusing myself.  Let me pull up a diagram.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:29 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> Got it, thanks for the hand holding.  :)
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 9:27 AM Carl Peterson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Type A Female to Female cable.
>>>> Type A cassettes on BOTH ends.  (Male pins in the cassettes which is
>>>> default for FS and most cassettes)
>>>>
>>>> That's it.
>>>>
>>>> Not rocket science.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:23 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So - I don't think it's possible to use BiDI when using the
>>>>> cassettes as recommended by FS.. but I'm still trying to wrap my head
>>>>> around it.
>>>>>
>>>>> They recommended this:
>>>>>
>>>>> * https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html (12fiber, MTP female on both
>>>>> ends, Type "A" polarity)
>>>>> * https://www.fs.com/products/57016.html on one end (Type A cassette)
>>>>> * https://www.fs.com/products/57037.html on the other end (Type AF
>>>>> cassette)
>>>>>
>>>>> They also said that BiDI will not work due to the polarity mis-match
>>>>> on TX/RX.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does this sound right?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure
>>>>>> you have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when 
>>>>>> ordering
>>>>>> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match 
>>>>>> Rx
>>>>>> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but
>>>>>> you linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright 
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> have spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and
>>>>>> you'll be fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jared
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
>>>>>> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
>>>>>> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>>>>>> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
>>>>>> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use 
>>>>>> BiDi
>>>>>> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
>>>>>> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
>>>>>> experience with BiDi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
>>>>>> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
>>>>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this
>>>>>>&

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shopping

[Carl Peterson]

Better question is who puts chocolate pie on their actual list?  Isn't that
the kind of thing you buy on a whim and feel guilty about?



On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 9:08 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> If I go to the local grocery store a half hour after opening or half
> hour before closing then I'm just about the only one there. At opening
> time there are always several people waiting for the doors to open.  Any
> other time there seems to be a steady flow of people in and out so these
> are my go-to times.  Just thought I'd share that.  I have 3 people in
> the house with asthma so I'm trying to do my diligence.
>
> Last night they had everything on my list except TP and chocolate pie.
> Why you guys hoarding the chocolate pie now?
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT COVID-19 Key

[Carl Peterson]

And it is made of plastic... Should be copper.

On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 8:04 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> But you're touching the key...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 3:24 PM can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> What's the key to COVID-19? How about this door opener that allows you to
>> open different types of doors without physically touching them.
>>
>> Want a "Corona Key" for your very own? STL file is attached.
>>
>> I didn't invent this. Saw an ad on Facebook, designed it myself and
>> printed it.
>>
>> Looking for a 3D printer? RUN, don't walk, and get a Prusa. Mine arrived
>> the other day after my other one died and it is nothing less than amazing.
>> MUCH easier to use. I pretty much press print and prints work nearly every
>> time. Auto bed leveling so I'm not wasting several minutes trying to level
>> the bed before each print.
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] American Tower trying to renegotiate Tower Lease with landlord

[Carl Peterson]

I'd look carefully at where VZN is in its small cell deployment in
that market.  They are pulling off of a lot of the higher priced real
estate in areas where the small cell network is complete.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 11:23 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> The tower companies are getting squeezed hard by the cell carriers.   If
> American can’t cut back what they are charging Verizon it's pretty likely
> Verizon will move off the site.   That might be hard to do but big
> companies often fail to look at what it will cost them to replace it at any
> given site.   They may very well have a blanket contract with another tower
> provider that says they can order them up where they want and it’s the
> other companies problem to figure out how to do it.
>
> As far as buyout or renegotiate - really depends on the owner and what
> they value more.   Stable income, or a one-time payout.  Plenty of
> municipalities can’t resist the up front cash since it makes the current
> politicians look good and don’t worry about the fact that they screwed the
> taxpayers for the next 100 years.   The other party will be in power by the
> time the money is spent so I guess it doesn’t matter.
>
> Mark
>
> > On Apr 8, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> >
> > On 4/8/20 9:04 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> >> Both those offers are less than what the current lease payments are,
> the one time buyout will break even in 15-20 years. So what I'm wondering
> here is American Tower trying to pull their bluff on saying they will "look
> for alternative sites" ?
> >> I don't really see them going through all the hassle to build another
> site close to this one just to get a $400 cheaper/per month payment.
> Verizon really needs this site downtown because there are no other towers
> close to it and the city zoning is so strict that no new towers can be
> built.
> >> Any tips for dealing with the tower owner?
> >
> >
> > Offer it to Verizon if ATC wants out of the lease? It seems unlikely
> that ATC is going to pay all of VZ's costs to move everything.
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] American Tower trying to renegotiate Tower Lease with landlord

[Carl Peterson]

Kurt,

I don't know what city you are talking about, but building out on every
pole is exactly what VZN/Crown are doing elsewhere.  Like literally every
400' or so.  Cities can't stop them from deploying small cell but might
slow them down.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 11:45 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Carl,
>
> This is the only "LTE" tower verizon has for at least 5 miles in all
> directions. They have another tower outside of town about 2 miles away and
> I don't think it is LTE as it was from the old 1x days. I doubt they could
> get downtown coverage from that with LTE and get any speed at all. The
> problem is they can't just build another tower downtown because the zoning
> is so restrictive that no new towers can be built. Unless they plan on
> rolling out a ton of 5G sites on Telephone poles I don't see theme getting
> the coverage they have today. And there are no tall buildings around either.
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 12:28 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> I'd look carefully at where VZN is in its small cell deployment in
>> that market.  They are pulling off of a lot of the higher priced real
>> estate in areas where the small cell network is complete.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 11:23 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>
>>> The tower companies are getting squeezed hard by the cell carriers.   If
>>> American can’t cut back what they are charging Verizon it's pretty likely
>>> Verizon will move off the site.   That might be hard to do but big
>>> companies often fail to look at what it will cost them to replace it at any
>>> given site.   They may very well have a blanket contract with another tower
>>> provider that says they can order them up where they want and it’s the
>>> other companies problem to figure out how to do it.
>>>
>>> As far as buyout or renegotiate - really depends on the owner and what
>>> they value more.   Stable income, or a one-time payout.  Plenty of
>>> municipalities can’t resist the up front cash since it makes the current
>>> politicians look good and don’t worry about the fact that they screwed the
>>> taxpayers for the next 100 years.   The other party will be in power by the
>>> time the money is spent so I guess it doesn’t matter.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> > On Apr 8, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > On 4/8/20 9:04 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>> >> Both those offers are less than what the current lease payments are,
>>> the one time buyout will break even in 15-20 years. So what I'm wondering
>>> here is American Tower trying to pull their bluff on saying they will "look
>>> for alternative sites" ?
>>> >> I don't really see them going through all the hassle to build another
>>> site close to this one just to get a $400 cheaper/per month payment.
>>> Verizon really needs this site downtown because there are no other towers
>>> close to it and the city zoning is so strict that no new towers can be
>>> built.
>>> >> Any tips for dealing with the tower owner?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Offer it to Verizon if ATC wants out of the lease? It seems unlikely
>>> that ATC is going to pay all of VZ's costs to move everything.
>>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

[Carl Peterson]

Look at a graph with a logarithmic scale.  IMHO it is the best way to
visualize anything with exponential growth.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 9:59 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> the daily deaths will climb as the new infections drop.
>
> I still dont understand how they consider it a flattened curve for the
> country when we still have major cities that havent even spiked yet
>
> Tin foil hat on: How has the homeless population not been ravaged by this?
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 9:56 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Not so sure about that.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/9/2020 7:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> [image: image]
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Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

[Carl Peterson]

40% is a pretty average survival rate for intubated patients.  Great for
Covid 19 from what I've read.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 7:16 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> On today’s Pence/Birx/Fauci show I heard someone say how wonderful it was
> that New Orleans was reporting 40% of intubation patients coming off the
> ventilators rather than croaking.
>
>
>
> That’s pretty scary when a 40% survival rate is great news.
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Re: [AFMUG] IF this guy has it right, you might have your head explode, I just did..

[Carl Peterson]

Except that it appears the numbers in his graph are way off.  The scale on
the right showing deaths per 1 mil pop can't be right.  Italy and spain are
already around 300 per mil pop.

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 1:44 PM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> Numbers guys can get fooled like the rest of us, but can be more
> detached too
>
>
>
> https://medium.com/@ali_razavian/covid-19-from-a-data-scientists-perspective-95bd4e84843b
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Re: [AFMUG] IF this guy has it right, you might have your head explode, I just did..

[Carl Peterson]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I am misreading that.  Is it deaths per day/mil pop.  Yesterday ~11 per mil
pop died in Spain.  Numbers check out.


On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 2:19 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> That's a very encouraging article actually.
>
>
> On 4/10/2020 2:43 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> > Numbers guys can get fooled like the rest of us, but can be more
> > detached too
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Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Carl Peterson]

IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without breaking
lent.

Stock markets going to crash ... lent
Hurricane response ... lent
National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent

Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be able to
talk about them without getting all melty about it.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM  wrote:

> Lent
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>
> You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be like
> every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry but
> United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should have
> set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't available to
> nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
> level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and is
> become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the states had
> to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The CDC
> had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   Steve, you
> are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely
> hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
> national preparedness?
>
> On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> > you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, every
> state
> > demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need them or
> > not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its
> > literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure he has
> > people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up the chain
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert  > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
> >
> > At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States
> > instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's
> > excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need it...
> > Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
> > relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to see what
> > the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
> >
> > On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
> >> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is
> >> the ability to perform such good testing...
> >>
> >> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> >>> From Utah:
> >>> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing
> >>> a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t
> >>> know why.
> >>> “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to
> >>> figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with the Utah
> >>> Department of Health.
> >>> Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Monday — a
> >>> smaller rise compared to the previous several days. The new cases
> >>> bring the state’s tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases out of 45,787
> >>> people tested.
> >>> An additional 1,500 people have been tested since Sunday,
> >>> according to the Utah Department of Health. The state is capable
> >>> of administering up to 5,000 tests per day.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Carl Peterson]

Yes, I've been here for a long time.  Obviously it is Chuck's list and
Chuck's rules but I'd argue for being adults about it (Sorry Steve) and
avoiding politics while still discussing the real world.  As of late it
seems that everything has been politicised and to continue lent really
limits discussion.  Before you know it we won't be able to talk about
Tecate because it comes from Mexico or Fries because they are French.


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:19 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> were you here when i broke afmug?
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without
>> breaking lent.
>>
>> Stock markets going to crash ... lent
>> Hurricane response ... lent
>> National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent
>>
>> Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be able to
>> talk about them without getting all melty about it.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Lent
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Robert Andrews
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>>>
>>> You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be like
>>> every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry but
>>> United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should have
>>> set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't available to
>>> nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
>>> level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and is
>>> become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the states had
>>> to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The CDC
>>> had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   Steve, you
>>> are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely
>>> hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
>>> national preparedness?
>>>
>>> On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>> > you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, every
>>> state
>>> > demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need them or
>>> > not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its
>>> > literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure he
>>> has
>>> > people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up the
>>> chain
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert >> > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States
>>> > instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's
>>> > excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need it...
>>> > Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
>>> > relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to see what
>>> > the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
>>> >
>>> > On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
>>> >> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is
>>> >> the ability to perform such good testing...
>>> >>
>>> >> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>> From Utah:
>>> >>> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing
>>> >>> a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t
>>> >>> know why.
>>> >>> “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to
>>> >>> figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with the Utah
>>> >>> Department of Health.
>>> >>> Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Monday — a
>>> >>> smaller rise compared to the previous several days. The new cases
>>> >>> bring the state’s tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases out of 45,787
>>> >>> people tested.
>>> >>> An additional 1,500 people have been tested since Sunday,
>>> >>> according to the Utah Department of Health. The state is capable
>>> >>> of administering up to 5,000 tests per day.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] South Dakota

[Carl Peterson]

Isn't Matt Larsen Vistabeam?  I think they are in NE not ND.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:59 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I asked about Matt Larsen..he is a fellow WISP..
> I am not offering any other comments. But you know where I stand... hasn't
> changed , will not change.
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 9:04 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:
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>> I request to put the OT: header on anything that is not quite directly
>> WISP-related... As much as I enjoy the good coronavirus and other
>> conversations that the smart and reasonable people on this list have, I'd
>> like to keep the non-WISP conversations filterable. Thank you.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 8:08 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's getting bad in Sioux Falls... doesn't Matt Larsen have service in
>>> that area?
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Re: [AFMUG] South Dakota

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I mean SD...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT dinner

[Carl Peterson]

You can do ribs that way if you don't have a real smoker or an egg.  foil
then chips in the bottom of a baking pan with the ribs on a rack above
them.  ~4hr @ ~200 in the oven then finish them on a regular webber or
whatnot.   If the chips start to smoke too much, squirt some water on
them.  Not sure if this would work in one of them modern fancy air
circulating ovens - the metal pan needs to get hotter than the air temp to
make smoke but this generally isn't an issue in an oven that just cycles
the burner on/off.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 7:49 PM  wrote:

> I put some chunks of hickory in the bottom of a deep cast iron pan.  Put a
> perforated rack over it, then cooked chicken breast then another frying pan
> inverted over the whole mess.
>
> Fire on high for about 15 minutes.  Yummy smoked chicken for tacos.  Smoke
> alarms still have not gone off.  My wife thought I was crazy when I started
> it.  She liked the outcome.  Our exhaust fan does not move anywhere enough
> air to do this very often.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

[Carl Peterson]

Can you give us something more to work with?  Do you need PTZ?  Outdoor?
Night?  Max budget?


On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 12:00 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Could use GPEN too.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
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> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
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> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, April 17, 2020 11:57:14 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp
>
> Axis has some $5000 ptz cameras.  They have some cheaper ones too that
> show discontinued.
> Anyone know of cameras with SFP on them?  My distances are too far for
> ethernet.  I could use media converters I suppose...
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Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Carl Peterson]

I've got a used set in the warehouse if you need them.  Might need to use
the "name your price" tool.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 7:06 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Yeah, well, that's why you keep old radios around when you replace them
> with other stuff... or you can always just buy some used ones to keep as
> spares. These things are by no means hard to find at this point.
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 6:36 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> Because of a radio failure. Two tower climbs is much more expensive and
>> time consuming than just swapping a radio.
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 7:33 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>> Ehh... the AirFiber 5x is a good radio. If it's a new link, or replacing
>> both ends, then the Airfiber 5xHD is generally a pretty good replacement.
>> The HD is better than the old 5x in some ways, and a bit worse in other
>> ways, but they're both good radios.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 5:32 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I told guy who needs them to get some Cambium higher end radios...
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 4:07 PM Matt Hoppes <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ubiquiti really needs to realize they screwed the pooch by stopping
>>>> production on that product.
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> Here’s what we’ve got.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ok.  Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 2:35 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jamie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we have a decommissioned pair in our storage.  I’ll go look
>>>>>> later today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:31 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We need an older model AirFiber5x...
>>>>>>> Any one know where we can get one? Thanks, El Dude
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Re: [AFMUG] Stainless banding - Time Sensitive Question

[Carl Peterson]

Slip?  I'm assuming he has a banding tool?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nLfRYjlnKU

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 11:26 AM  wrote:

> Mitch Koep is in the field attempting to installing one of my pole mounts
> onto a steel monopole with stainless bands.  I personally have never used
> bands on a steel pole.
>
> Any tips or pointers?  Does he hammer the clip flat after bending the
> strap?  He is trying it down at the base before hanging a bunch of
> expensive radios way up in the air and is having the strap slip.
>
> This is fairly time sensitive.  I am sure Mitch would welcome a call if
> any of you have some experience with this.  I suggested getting some rubber
> to put under the mount to increase friction.
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Re: [AFMUG] Stainless banding - Time Sensitive Question

[Carl Peterson]

If he can post a quick video of what he is doing I'm sure we could critique
it.  I haven't done it myself in a decade but all the gear I put up on
steel poles 10 years ago is still up and hasn't moved.  Which of your
brackets is he installing?  Only thing I can think is the band isn't
slipping through slots in the bracket and thus isn't getting tightened
properly.



On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 11:33 AM  wrote:

> Yes, he has a banding tool.
>
> *From:* Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 22, 2020 10:30 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Stainless banding - Time Sensitive Question
>
> Slip?  I'm assuming he has a banding tool?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nLfRYjlnKU
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 11:26 AM  wrote:
>
>> Mitch Koep is in the field attempting to installing one of my pole mounts
>> onto a steel monopole with stainless bands.  I personally have never used
>> bands on a steel pole.
>>
>> Any tips or pointers?  Does he hammer the clip flat after bending the
>> strap?  He is trying it down at the base before hanging a bunch of
>> expensive radios way up in the air and is having the strap slip.
>>
>> This is fairly time sensitive.  I am sure Mitch would welcome a call if
>> any of you have some experience with this.  I suggested getting some rubber
>> to put under the mount to increase friction.
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Re: [AFMUG] Stainless banding - Time Sensitive Question

[Carl Peterson]

spoke with him.   He figured it out.


On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 11:46 AM  wrote:

> This is what he is installing:
> https://www.mccowntech.com/product/heavy-duty-pole-mount-1/
>
> *From:* Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 22, 2020 10:37 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Stainless banding - Time Sensitive Question
>
> If he can post a quick video of what he is doing I'm sure we could
> critique it.  I haven't done it myself in a decade but all the gear I put
> up on steel poles 10 years ago is still up and hasn't moved.  Which of your
> brackets is he installing?  Only thing I can think is the band isn't
> slipping through slots in the bracket and thus isn't getting tightened
> properly.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 11:33 AM  wrote:
>
>> Yes, he has a banding tool.
>>
>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 22, 2020 10:30 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Stainless banding - Time Sensitive Question
>>
>> Slip?  I'm assuming he has a banding tool?
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nLfRYjlnKU
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 11:26 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Mitch Koep is in the field attempting to installing one of my pole
>>> mounts onto a steel monopole with stainless bands.  I personally have never
>>> used bands on a steel pole.
>>>
>>> Any tips or pointers?  Does he hammer the clip flat after bending the
>>> strap?  He is trying it down at the base before hanging a bunch of
>>> expensive radios way up in the air and is having the strap slip.
>>>
>>> This is fairly time sensitive.  I am sure Mitch would welcome a call if
>>> any of you have some experience with this.  I suggested getting some rubber
>>> to put under the mount to increase friction.
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Re: [AFMUG] Stainless banding - Time Sensitive Question

[Carl Peterson]

That's a pretty cool mount.  Would have saved me a whole lot of time in the
past.


On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 11:46 AM  wrote:

> This is what he is installing:
> https://www.mccowntech.com/product/heavy-duty-pole-mount-1/
>
> *From:* Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 22, 2020 10:37 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Stainless banding - Time Sensitive Question
>
> If he can post a quick video of what he is doing I'm sure we could
> critique it.  I haven't done it myself in a decade but all the gear I put
> up on steel poles 10 years ago is still up and hasn't moved.  Which of your
> brackets is he installing?  Only thing I can think is the band isn't
> slipping through slots in the bracket and thus isn't getting tightened
> properly.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 11:33 AM  wrote:
>
>> Yes, he has a banding tool.
>>
>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 22, 2020 10:30 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Stainless banding - Time Sensitive Question
>>
>> Slip?  I'm assuming he has a banding tool?
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nLfRYjlnKU
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 11:26 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Mitch Koep is in the field attempting to installing one of my pole
>>> mounts onto a steel monopole with stainless bands.  I personally have never
>>> used bands on a steel pole.
>>>
>>> Any tips or pointers?  Does he hammer the clip flat after bending the
>>> strap?  He is trying it down at the base before hanging a bunch of
>>> expensive radios way up in the air and is having the strap slip.
>>>
>>> This is fairly time sensitive.  I am sure Mitch would welcome a call if
>>> any of you have some experience with this.  I suggested getting some rubber
>>> to put under the mount to increase friction.
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Re: [AFMUG] billing

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>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 22, 2020 6:55 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] billing
>>
>>
>>
>> Sonar is awesome, you won't be disappointed.
>>
>>
>>
>> we started with platypus, moved to powercode, it was an upgrade from plat
>> but was way too clunky and at the time powercode couldn't do RADIUS so,
>> after 18 months of trying to make our business model fit to the powercode
>> way we moved to Sonar and haven't looked back.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sonar is very forward thinking with their service and they have just
>> about every integration under the sun you could think of (text to customer,
>> fleet tracking, preseem QoS, snail mail marketing etc.)
>>
>>
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5:59 PM  wrote:
>>
>> I will probably be launching a new network this calendar year.  So at
>> some point I will once again have to try to choose the best billing
>> platform.
>>
>>
>>
>> Leaking toward Sonar.  Have used Plat in the past.  Is Powercode still
>> alive?
>>
>> Opinions?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

[Carl Peterson]

"Saw a juvenile cougar..."  Isn't that a contradiction in terms?

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 10:32 AM  wrote:

> I had about 6 elk run right by me when deer hunting once.  That made a
> noise.  That was scary too.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 9:27 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife
>
> I still recall the night, just about dusk when it's that in-between
> lighting between daylight and night. I was sitting on the front deck
> waiting for my wife to return from an outing. I might have had a beer.
>
> All of a sudden I heard this loud clatter as a deer came running up the
> driveway (our driveway curves off to the north about 100' from the
> house). I could see the shadow of the deer as it clopped along, very
> quickly, crossing from right to left (north to south). When it stepped
> off the driveway and into the grass, then on down into the canyon, you
> could hear the not-quite-as-loud thuds as it's hooves impacted the ground.
>
> A second or two later, another shadow came up in the same direction.
> This one was completely silent, but lower profile. I can't say it with
> 100% certainty, but there is no question in my mind it was a mountain
> lion in pursuit.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 4/30/2020 8:18 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> > I hadn't thought about a deer.  I've never seen them approach humans
> > intentionally.  I snore, so whatever it was there's no way it didn't
> know
> > I was there. ;)
> >
> >
> > On 4/30/2020 11:13 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >> When we sit out on the front deck admiring the moon, planets, and
> stars,
> >> the wildlife will roam around just 50-100 feet away from us. I can tell
> >> you, the deer are the loudest; they snap twigs and make all sorts of
> >> noise. The mountain lions are silent.
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >> On 4/30/2020 7:16 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> >>> On one of my backpacking trips I heard the distinctive scream of a
> >>> wildcat in the early evening. That night while I was in my hammock I
> >>> woke up when something was walking quietly around my hammock.  I'm not
> >>> sure if you know what I mean when I say I could feel its presence in
> the
> >>> darkness, but that's exactly what it was like. It moved slowly and
> >>> quietly, and I never saw what it was, but it was big enough to snap
> >>> twigs under its feet.
> >>>
> >>> I told people it was a cougar, but in hindsight I only made that leap
> >>> because I heard the scream earlier.  Could have been a black
> bear.or
> >>> worst of all it could have been a human.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 4/29/2020 9:40 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>  We have camera traps set up around our property. We catch a mountain
>  lion (AKA cougar) two or three times a month. A lot of other animals
> as
>  well.
> 
>  bp
>  
> 
>  On 4/29/2020 5:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> > Saw a juvenile cougar outside. Pretty cool sight.  Neighbor reports
> a
> > deer killed by cougar in his yard.
> > Sent from my iPhone
> 
> >>>
> >>
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

[Carl Peterson]

Whose agenda is being furthered here?  Genuinely curious as to what you
think.  - unless it is wacko conspiracy theory stuff about implanting us
with tracking chips or trying to "control the people".

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 12:49 PM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> Numbers are completely false.  Even with that taken into regard it still
> is just as lethal as the regular flu.  While it is way more harsh on people
> if they get it, most people have underlying conditions, or didn't know they
> had them, or didn't take it serious when they got it.
>
> Unfortunately politicians never waste a crisis to further their agenda.
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> *Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 12:30:08 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Is this good?
>
> [image: image]
>
> Every time I get my hopes up this curve breaks my heart...  Let’s hope we
> are on the tail of a normal curve.
> 6 days in a row decline.  But it has done this cycle 3 times before with a
> huge spike after.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

[Carl Peterson]

While cases/mil pop is likely way undercounting, and deaths attributed to
COVID 19 are undercounted, it's hard to juke the stats on dead bodies.
There are a lot more dead bodies this year.  Perhaps the best tracker to do
comps would be to just graph deaths above seasonally adjusted average.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Finvestigations%2F2020%2F04%2F27%2Fcovid-19-death-toll-undercounted%2F&psig=AOvVaw1eqX9j2iqjGOgeCrmqLPgx&ust=1588702179927000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CA0QjhxqFwoTCOCzmf7mmukCFQAdABAD



On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:05 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> The numbers are not "completely" false, but it's the best we can do when
> we don't actually test all the suspected infections. It also (probably)
> missed a whole lot of the early deaths, as they were miss-classified. If
> you think under-ground near-do-wells are planted in all the hospitals
> around the country and are coordinating false numbers on all the rest of
> us, then I have a tin hat that might fit real well.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 5/4/2020 10:48 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
>
> Numbers are completely false.  Even with that taken into regard it still
> is just as lethal as the regular flu.  While it is way more harsh on people
> if they get it, most people have underlying conditions, or didn't know they
> had them, or didn't take it serious when they got it.
>
> Unfortunately politicians never waste a crisis to further their agenda.
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> *Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 12:30:08 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Is this good?
>
> [image: image]
>
> Every time I get my hopes up this curve breaks my heart...  Let’s hope we
> are on the tail of a normal curve.
> 6 days in a row decline.  But it has done this cycle 3 times before with a
> huge spike after.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

[Carl Peterson]

I heard China was lying because their numbers were too good, and apparently
> we're lying because our numbers are too bad.
>
No idea where the idea that our numbers are overcounted is coming from, but
that is the exact opposite of the truth.  In most cases* I wouldn't
attribute our undercounting to lying, just not enough testing/data.

*FL is getting pretty close to lying.




> On 5/4/2020 1:59 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> So far this year it is 7X worst than the regular flu.
>
> If the numbers are completely false, and they are coming from hospitals
> and public health officials, where do your non false numbers come from.
>
> *From:* Steven Kenney
> *Sent:* Monday, May 4, 2020 11:48 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
>
> Numbers are completely false.  Even with that taken into regard it still
> is just as lethal as the regular flu.  While it is way more harsh on people
> if they get it, most people have underlying conditions, or didn't know they
> had them, or didn't take it serious when they got it.
>
> Unfortunately politicians never waste a crisis to further their agenda.
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> *Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 12:30:08 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Is this good?
>
> [image: image]
>
> Every time I get my hopes up this curve breaks my heart...  Let’s hope we
> are on the tail of a normal curve.
> 6 days in a row decline.  But it has done this cycle 3 times before with a
> huge spike after.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

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, or didn't take it serious when they got it.
>
> Unfortunately politicians never waste a crisis to further their agenda.
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> *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 12:30:08 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Is this good?
>
> [image: image]
>
> Every time I get my hopes up this curve breaks my heart...  Let’s hope we
> are on the tail of a normal curve.
> 6 days in a row decline.  But it has done this cycle 3 times before with a
> huge spike after.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

[Carl Peterson]

"1 is pretty well settled on globally in the second"

I agree with Steve on something!!!

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 1:07 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Alex Jones is amazing. Hes probably the dumbest man on the planet and is
> able to get millions of people to follow him even though hes been
> deplatformed everywhere.  I hate those punchanazi guys, because half the
> people they punch arent nazis, but i could support the punch alex jones
> crowd
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 1:02 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> So it took 6 weeks for us to talk about letting granny die.  And
>> apparently to start planning cannibalism:
>>
>>
>> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/g5xzej/increasingly-desperate-alex-jones-says-he-will-kill-and-eat-his-neighbors
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 12:10 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
>>
>>
>>
>> At some point, humans are going to have to accept the fact the mother
>> nature will always win. Its not PC, but fact of the matter is we keep
>> people alive that otherwise wouldnt have been in the gene pool, and then
>> they breed. Eugenics in its basic form is correct. We dont simply have more
>> diabetics because we eat like garbage, we have more diabetics because
>> diabetics dont die like mother nature intended and then they breed and then
>> eat like garbage.
>>
>> It could be that this virus kills those with comorbidity by design,
>> whether by natures selection or by some scientists hand, at this point it
>> doesnt really matter, its like buying a toilet after you already pooped on
>> the floor.
>>
>>
>>
>> also, I have a sore throat, I had a good run guys, thanks for all the
>> good times
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 12:00 PM Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>> It seems to me, that what really matters is how many deaths there have
>> been in excess of what the average was for the same period in previous
>> years (yes, I know that's what they're talking about in the NYT article,
>> but I'm too lazy to read it all and see how much detail they go into). We
>> can argue all day about whether somebody that died of a heart attack died
>> because they had covid19 or whether they just had an unrelated heart attack
>> and just happened to have a mild case of covid, and whether they should be
>> counted, but in the end, it doesn't really matter. If say, an average of
>> 10,000 people died in X state in April for the past 5 years, and this year
>> 15,000 died, then we can pretty safely blame 5,000 of those deaths on
>> covid. It doesn't really matter if 6,000 people actually died of covid, but
>> 1000 of them would've died of flu anyway, and it just happened to be covid
>> that finished them off instead, or if 500 got so sick of sitting in front
>> of the tv that they jumped off a bridge and were never infected.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't think we'll ever have particularly accurate numbers of how many
>> people directly died of the infection (other than maybe in Utah), but in a
>> few months we should have pretty accurate numbers of how many excess deaths
>> there were.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 11:22 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Those who suspect an “agenda” will immediately dispute these graphs
>> because the source is NYT which they will perceive as biased.  But if you
>> read the article, they go out of their way to point out possible errors in
>> the data, as well as other influences like overloaded healthcare system led
>> to people dying of other causes, but also less deaths due to traffic and
>> violence.  And the data as Bill says is from other sources, the paper
>> didn’t make them up to suit a political agenda or bias.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/28/us/coronavirus-death-toll-total.html
>>
>>
>>
>> In other countries like Italy, no doubt the deaths were undercounted
>> because the system was overwhelmed.  Even in NYC, the morgues and
>> crematories are overloaded, they are stuffing bodies in refrigerated semis,
>> you can’t possibly claim these are just the normal deaths being mislabeled
>> as Covid related to suit an agenda.  Then you have all the prison and
>> nursing home deaths.  OK, sure, elderly people croak all the time, it’s a
>> hoax.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 11:02 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
>>
>>
>>
>> The numbers posted on various web sites are neither government sourced or
>> corporate sourced. Hospitals, clinics, and morgues are supplying the
>> numbers. There is a level of uncertainty because of different criteria.
>> That is true for the US cases, but probably not for other countries. For
>> example, the numbers coming from China (and several other countries) are by
>> design government based. But to brush them all off as "government or
>> corporations" is being naive at least.
>>
>> I would not say that "most" patients have pre-e

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

[Carl Peterson]

I am always amazed at how disconnected the far right can be from what I
think is reality.  Snopes is fact based and Wikipedia as a whole is pretty
darn unbiased.  Just because you don't like facts doesn't make them biased.


On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 1:00 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> I cant help but laugh when wikipedia is used to decipher neutrality.
> sadly, its one step above snopes anymore.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

[Carl Peterson]

The Future:  Rural hospitals are going to be overloaded.  I just can't see
any way around that.

Also, UI earnings should be coming out soon.  Might see some nice squeeze
action.  I'm looking for a squeeze to 250.  Looks like someone, I'd guess
UBNT, was buying up everything under ~135 through the first Covid crash.
Unless that was smart shorts covering the float is getting thin.

On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 3:21 PM James Howard  wrote:

> I also will observe Lent on this line of discussion but do want to point
> out that the antibody test is those who have theoretically already had it.
> Was it an antibody test in that you SF that you quoted 2% for below?  If
> so, that is a different story.  Yes, I agree that the 3k tested leaves a
> margin of error but 20% of the overall tests done throughout NYC would
> indicate LOTS of people who’ve already had it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert Andrews
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:12 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
>
>
>
> I will abate from any other discussion of this, but I do need to point
> out that there is _evidence_ of what I quoted. NOT munged numbers put
> forth to further an agenda.
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/nyregion/coronavirus-antibodies-test-ny.html
>
> Yes Antibody tests on 3 thousand people are subject to the errors of the
> antibody tests. I argued exactly that against the testing done by the
> Stanford group. But at least this was supposed to be a random cross
> section of people.
>
> On 05/06/2020 12:33 PM, James Howard wrote:
> > I’ve read all your posts. You have consistently ignored things that
> > don’t fit with what you believe.
> >
> > NYC was testing NOBODY except suspected cases who either had symptoms or
> > had been in direct contact with confirmed cases.
> >
> > Only 20% of the SUSPECTED cases were coming back positive. This is NOT
> > 20% of the population. It’s 20% of the people tested who they thought
> > actually had it.
> >
> > You ridicule Dr. Erickson for using the NYC percentage but if you
> > actually listened to what he said, he said that even with the percentage
> > a lot higher because they only tested suspected cases, the overall
> > numbers if you use those high percentages will not result in the huge
> > overall totals that they were predicting and using as basis for the
> > policies in place.
> >
> > Yes there are segments of the population that are at much higher risk.
> > People are asking that the people at higher risk be sheltered rather
> > than everyone. That makes them evil people?
> >
> > Chuck. I honestly think it might be time for Ash Wednesday to be
> > invoked on at least this line of discussion……… we need 40 days
> >
> > *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ]
> *On Behalf Of *Robert Andrews
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 2:24 PM
> > *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
> >
> > I also think it's important to realize where we are in this whole mess.
> > They just tested, extensively, an area in the Mission district in SF and
> > released the data yesterday. 2% infection rate mostly in the Latinix
> > population. To understand what goes on with this you need to
> > understand that testing in NYC is returning 20% infection rates. SIP
> > is keeping the rates low and getting us time. When we start seeing
> > other locations going to 20% rapidly like in NYC we will see similar
> > results and refrigerated trucks for the bodies. I don't want it but I
> > think we might be in for some rough road ahead... Utah excepted...
> >
> > On 05/06/2020 11:12 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> > > I read an interesting blog post the other day about flu death estimates
> > > from the CDC. The CDC estimates from 12,000 - 60,000 flu deaths
> > > annually. And yeah that's in the same ballpark with auto accidents.
> > > But then consider that Including people I know and people within a
> > > degree or two of me, I can easily think of a dozen people who died in
> > > car accidents. I know zero people who died of the flu.
> > >
> > > The piece I was reading was regarding how many confirmed flu deaths
> > > doctors actually see and typically they say "I remember one case a few
> > > years ago" or similar. If there were truly 12,000 to 60,000 flu deaths
> > > every year, then doctors in hospitals would see likely see several
> every
> > > year. Apparently the CDC estimates flu deaths, and assumes that a
> > > certain percentage of other causes of death were actually caused by the
> > > flu, including pneumonia, congestive heart failure, or chronic
> > > obstructive pulmonary disease. You can read this on the CDC's FAQ about
> > > flu: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/faq.htm.
> > >
> > > The blogger then speculated that they might err on the high side for
> flu
> > > deaths because they want people to take it seriously and get
> > > vaccinated. I couldn't say if that's true. After reading it, it does
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Source for pre-made outdoor OS2 LC fiber cable

[Carl Peterson]

Savvi Technologies makes ours out of 4.8MM simplex fiber.  We do all BiDi
with SCA on one end and SCU (For the radio on the tower etc end) on the
other but I'm sure they could do something else.  Cables are great.  Takes
a while and we order in bulk but only pay shipping from their US
warehouse.
m...@savvitechnologies.com

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:10 PM Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Oddly enough I have had good luck just purchasing pre-made cables from
> China off eBay.
>
> Shipping takes a bit longer, but a few weeks is doable.
>
>
>
> But I’m sure the “normal” vendors could make you up some.
>
>
>
> I had some vault grade special cables made from a company I forget the
> name, but brokered by Graybar locally.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Source for pre-made outdoor OS2 LC fiber cable
>
>
>
> Anyone have any sources for some pre-made outdoor OS2 lc - lc fiber? We
> need various lengths between 100ft - 180ft. Need this within a few weeks.
> Any ideas? We'd use the Cambium branded cable if we have to.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

[Carl Peterson]

Ya'll are a bunch of pigs.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Cheese, Onion and Jalapeno Omelette

[Carl Peterson]

This thread is worthless without pics
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Cheese, Onion and Jalapeno Omelette

[Carl Peterson]

Haha no.  Just there to hold the bacon on till it crisps up a little.

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 2:47 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Ok, you have to tell me about the leaves coming out of the bundle in the
> second pick.  Is that an herb?
>
>
> On 5/12/2020 3:42 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>
>
>
> Here are some pics of a stuffed pork tenderloin I cooked over a campfire
> awhile back.  Larded with bacon of course - makes a nice snack for the
> cook.
>
>
> [image: Tenderloin-Campfire2.jpg]
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 1:31 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Here's a picture of a steak I cooked over a campfire last September.
>> Less worthless now?
>> On 5/12/2020 12:27 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>>
>> This thread is worthless without pics
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Do I dare jinx it?

[Carl Peterson]

There shouldn't need to be a lent request.  It is always lent.

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 2:45 PM  wrote:

> Guys, there has been a LENT request.  Let's all drop it for now.  Please.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 1:41 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Do I dare jinx it?
>
> Ok so you keep wanting to politicize the discussion?  How about that
> trump followers are the ones marching around meeting in groups without
> face masks because they need to show its their rights?   And maybe just
> maybe the virus could give two swats of a cows tail about someones
> rights when it flies through the air and lands on someones eyeball from
> another someone  this is shouting at the top of their lungs about their
> rights.  Seems more like Darwinian selection than media bias.
>
>   Now I know personally that a VERY Trump area in far northeast
> California, modoc county has zero cases.   But that area has natural
> social distancing.   I've been there and watched a lot of people without
> masks, but they also don't feel the need to gather in groups to proclaim
> the right not to wear masks.   Should be interesting to see if they get
> any cases now that the restaurants have reopened.   But if there aren't
> any cases there and nobody brings it in, they should be good to go.
>
>
> On 05/13/2020 12:23 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> > This amazes me. Not saying the media bais is presenting as patently
> false
> > news, but this disease is apparently becoming self aware and leans left.
> > Its learned to target based on where you live and who you vote for.
> >
> https://www.salon.com/2020/05/12/leaked-white-house-data-shows-infections-spiking-more-than-1000-in-rural-areas-that-backed-trump/
> >
> > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 2:20 PM Robert Andrews  > > wrote:
> >
> > It looks like, if you pull out the 15% plotted on a single day, they
> > would look pretty similar?
> >
> > On 05/13/2020 11:57 AM, Harold Bledsoe wrote:
> >  > Here's another example of why you need to be careful on how data
> is
> >  > presented.  Here is the deaths that WaPo shows (correctly labeled
> > as
> >  > "reported" although I'm not sure how many people notice that):
> >  >
> >  > Screen Shot 2020-05-13 at 1.54.32 PM.png
> >  >
> >  > And here is the same data as reported on the state of CO website
> > which
> >  > is based on date of death instead of date reported:
> >  >
> >  > Screen Shot 2020-05-13 at 1.44.11 PM.png
> >  >
> >  > These 2 graphs are fairly different in shape I'd say.
> >  >
> >  > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 1:33 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies
> >  > mailto:m...@mailmt.com>  > >> wrote:
> >  >
> >  > Robert,
> >  >
> >  > That is BS.  Don't even get me started on national media.
> This
> >  > website has been running since the beginning of the year
> >  >
> >  >
> >
> >
> https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429
> >  >
> >  > Two things to keep in mind with Florida.  If you look at
> >  > worldometers site some days you'll see FL jump by 100+
> > cases.  That
> >  > doesn't mean FL had those deaths on that day.  It was just
> > reported
> >  > on that day.  The arcis site is more accurate with the daily
> > count,
> >  > being they will go back and adjust the data based on actual
> > death
> >  > day and not reported day.  Big difference with the graph.
> >  >
> >  > As for the media games and stories with FL not reporting,
> > there is
> >  > an issue with counting deaths.  The total numbers from all
> the
> > ME
> >  > offices were about 10% higher than what the state was
> > officially
> >  > reporting.  Not sure why, they are thinking maybe double
> > counts.
> >  > Died in different county than register as resident.  Counted
> > in both
> >  > counties.  The state decided that they would be the ones to
> > report
> >  > the official numbers and asked the ME to not make their
> numbers
> >  > public.  They are still collecting the data, but just not
> > reporting it.
> >  >
> >  > I really don't understand why this has become such a big deal
> > with
> >  > the media.  10% or even 20% doesn't really change much in the
> >  > overall numbers.  The national media is always getting things
> > wrong
> >  > about FL.  Hurricanes wiping out the whole state, pythons
> > falling
> >  > out of trees, gators attacking people everyday, etc.
> >  >
> >  > Once again, I feel things have been handled well down here. I
> > won't
> >  > go as far as saying the government is responsible for how
> well
> > we
> >  > are doing.  I'm going 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Portlandia

[Carl Peterson]

The other day I had to grab some cash from the bank.  Pulled up out front,
put my mask on and headed in.  As I got to the door, I saw my reflection
and hesitated for a bit.  I was only going into the first lobby to use the
ATM but it was still pretty odd to be walking into a bank with a face mask
on.
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Re: [AFMUG] Sync 900 MHz PMP100 and PTP450i?

[Carl Peterson]

We did it for a long time to colocate our 100 caps with our 450 caps.  Our
last 5.7 100 series is gone and I don't think I have the settings recorded
anymore.  I know on the 450 we had to push link distance out to 14 miles
(14/75%/2/2).  If you use that in the link calc you should be able to find
a pretty close match for the 100 series.

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 9:20 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> 900mhz FSK = 5ms frame
>
> all other FSK = 2.5ms frame
>
>
> On 5/15/2020 9:25 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>
> It can be done.  You have to match the 450i sync timing to the FSK
> timing.  It’s either .25 or .5ms...I can never remember.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
> On May 15, 2020, at 12:49 AM, Sean Heskett 
>  wrote:
>
> 
> Is the PTP450i in the same band as the PMP100?
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 3:52 PM  wrote:
>
>> I have a PTP450i feeding a small site with a PMP100 AP. Is it possible to
>> sync PTP450i and PMP100? Can I pull sync off the PTP450i slave into the
>> PMP100 AP?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Full Parking Lots

[Carl Peterson]

Most likely lease returns and trade ins if they aren't new.

On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 11:08 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Here in the western suburbs of Chicago, some parking lots are filled to
> overflowing.  Mainly I've noticed it at college campuses/private
> schools.  Cars are parked in filling all available spaces, even aisles.
> All makes/models.  Are these all the Rental cars that are just sitting
> idle now and they needed a place to store them?  Are other major metro's
> like this too?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

[Carl Peterson]

Launch window flexibility is a function of the ride to space and not the
Crew Dragon / Starliner.  Falcon 9 reaches MECO and stage separation much
earlier in flight, which is a big part of why it can land.  Atlas5 first
stage does more of the work and has time to change trajectory a bit more
opening up the window by a few minutes.   Off the top of my head, you
launch when the target is directly overhead.  Any delay beyond that
requires a dog leg.

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 1:40 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Guy on radio was saying SpaceX crew capsule has to be launched at a
> specific time to rendezvous with the ISS, sounds like shooting a bullet.
> Same guy said Boeing design will have a wider launch window because it is
> more maneuverable.  Looking at photos they don’t seem that different.  Does
> this sound right?  Main difference seems to be the way they land, in water
> or on land.
>
>
>
> Not sure what happens to Boeing capsule if collapse of air travel on top
> of 737 Max fiasco spells the end of Boeing as a company.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 30, 2020 1:25 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>
>
>
>
>
> 1522 EDT (AKA 3:22 PM)
>
> 1422 CDT (AKA 2:22 PM)
>
> 1322 MDT (AKA 1:22 PM)
>
> 1222 PDT (AKA 12:22 PM)
>
> If you're not on daylight saving time, you know what to do.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 5/30/2020 11:18 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Just a reminder in case you forgot.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

[Carl Peterson]

Thanks for the heads up.  I'll be sure to cover the pin holes before
disabling them next time.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 3:36 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Need to install  these mobile DVRs on two golf carts with pin hole
> cameras waiting on cameras... will be installed by battery bank under
> seats inside metal enclosure to prevent access and vandalism...comes with
> WiFi, GPS and 3G cellular...we have some similar models in some vans...
> These handle four cameras...and microphone..
> The guards keep disabling these golf carts...always away from campus
> cameras... should be an interesting installI will share install
> pictures one I get all the equipment...
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Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber

[Carl Peterson]

Cheap would be the bow type flat drop - we use them with FRP steel ones are
too stiff.

Next option would be either 3m of 4.8mm RBR drop cables like
MDC-JJ1G-0200FJ

On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 10:25 AM  wrote:

> I am planning to run the fiber clear into the 844G router at each home.
> But in the past when we have done this, we have had issues with people not
> understanding that the fiber is a bit more delicate than cat5.  Then there
> is the issue with the termination.  You can get long jumpers and splice
> outside in a small enclosure.  But replacing the end on the router is a bit
> more difficult.  I have used unicams in the past, but with my new system I
> am looking for something better.
>
> I really need something a bit tougher than jumpers to route through the
> house.  Anything like that exist?
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Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber

[Carl Peterson]

Supposedly the realflex drop cables can be treated like cat5.  We're a
little more gentle then that with the 3mm ones.  You can order in just
about any config. i.e plenum, one end terminated, both ends terminated,
pull sock on one end, etc.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:10 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Cheap would be the bow type flat drop - we use them with FRP steel ones
> are too stiff.
>
> Next option would be either 3m of 4.8mm RBR drop cables like
> MDC-JJ1G-0200FJ
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 10:25 AM  wrote:
>
>> I am planning to run the fiber clear into the 844G router at each home.
>> But in the past when we have done this, we have had issues with people
>> not understanding that the fiber is a bit more delicate than cat5.  Then
>> there is the issue with the termination.  You can get long jumpers and
>> splice outside in a small enclosure.  But replacing the end on the router
>> is a bit more difficult.  I have used unicams in the past, but with my new
>> system I am looking for something better.
>>
>> I really need something a bit tougher than jumpers to route through the
>> house.  Anything like that exist?
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Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber

[Carl Peterson]

We are mostly doing this indoors in MDUs but on the side of the house you
would terminate your OSP cable in the NID and then just plug in the
realflex drop.  There is an indoor/outdoor version for that.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:21 AM Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> I like the look of the RealFlex.
>
>
>
> What I can’t figure out, maybe also part of this conversation as intended,
> is if you don’t use a jumper, how are CenturyLink et. al. doing that nice
> outside plant drop to inside patch/end splice/connection?
>
> My guys don’t seem to know how that’s done.
>
>
>
> I’m guessing it’s an inline splice with some sort of special heat shrink
> tubing/package that protects the join and provides strain/pull prevention
> internally?
>
>
>
> I just don’t get it.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 4, 2020 10:14 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber
>
>
>
> Supposedly the realflex drop cables can be treated like cat5.  We're a
> little more gentle then that with the 3mm ones.  You can order in just
> about any config. i.e plenum, one end terminated, both ends terminated,
> pull sock on one end, etc.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:10 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> Cheap would be the bow type flat drop - we use them with FRP steel ones
> are too stiff.
>
>
>
> Next option would be either 3m of 4.8mm RBR drop cables like
> MDC-JJ1G-0200FJ
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 10:25 AM  wrote:
>
> I am planning to run the fiber clear into the 844G router at each home.
>
> But in the past when we have done this, we have had issues with people not
> understanding that the fiber is a bit more delicate than cat5.  Then there
> is the issue with the termination.  You can get long jumpers and splice
> outside in a small enclosure.  But replacing the end on the router is a bit
> more difficult.  I have used unicams in the past, but with my new system I
> am looking for something better.
>
>
>
> I really need something a bit tougher than jumpers to route through the
> house.  Anything like that exist?
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Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber

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We try not to.  If we have to, generally AFL Fast connectors for 3mm or
sumitomo  LYNX2-SCAPCSM-3.0 with a little sumitomo splicer.

Not to get too far into the weeds, but we generally install stub ends -
terminated end goes to our enclosure and then we splice the customer end in
a wall plate.  Fibermint makes us wall plates with a shutter coupler and a
pigtail pre-installed for a buck or two.  Can be surface mounted or mounted
to a low voltage frame.  Then we use a patch cable, like the fs armored
ones, to go to the 844G.  If you are wall mounting the 844G you can
terminate in the wall plate but I prefer the separate fiber jack.


https://www.aflglobal.com/Products/Fiber-Optic-Connectivity/Field-Installable-Connectors/FAST-Connectors_(1).aspx

On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:48 AM  wrote:

> This does help, thanks.  What do you do when you have to re terminate the
> Corning drop?
>
> *From:* Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 4, 2020 10:22 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber
>
> We use one of two options
>
> Corning RuggedDrop assembly, is a 5mm 1F tight buffered cable with SC/APC
> on either end, outside rated in case you need to house wrap, we use this
> from the NID to a baseboard jack. These are $25-35 range for 50-100ft
> length.
>
> Fiberstore armored patch cables - 3mm with a blue PVC jacket, we use these
> from the baseboard jack to the modem/ONU. Depending on the ONU you may need
> a UPC to APC which is a custom item about a 1 month lead time. We've also
> bought a similar cable from total cable solutions. About $5 for the FS and
> only about $8.50 for the TCS.  We have also bought longer ones of these to
> use from NID to the baseboard jack, in cases when it will not be exposed to
> UV, like right into the crawl space and then up into the living area.
>
> This is the baseboard jack we use:
> http://www.ecablemart.com/terminal_box/2-fiber-86-type-ftth-terminal-box-p-119819.html
>
> Hope the helps
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:25 AM  wrote:
>
>> I am planning to run the fiber clear into the 844G router at each home.
>> But in the past when we have done this, we have had issues with people
>> not understanding that the fiber is a bit more delicate than cat5.  Then
>> there is the issue with the termination.  You can get long jumpers and
>> splice outside in a small enclosure.  But replacing the end on the router
>> is a bit more difficult.  I have used unicams in the past, but with my new
>> system I am looking for something better.
>>
>> I really need something a bit tougher than jumpers to route through the
>> house.  Anything like that exist?
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[AFMUG] MPO pins

[Carl Peterson]

Anyone have a source for pins that can ship ASAP?  Housing tool would be
helpful too but we can do housings with a paperclip if needed.

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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite DC wire c/o type

[Carl Peterson]

Solid works well in WAGO connectors.  I wish there were a similar connector
for connecting to devices.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 1:27 PM  wrote:

> I just use stranded thhn wire. It is indoor.  I prefer solid but for DC
> the
> terminals seem to cinch down better on stranded.  Solid will work itself
> loose it seems in almost any kind of connector except wirenuts.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 12:23 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite DC wire c/o type
>
> On 6/15/20 10:51 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> > What's "telco grade" DC wire?  Is it personally inspected by the ghost
> of
> > Alexander Graham Bell?
>
>
> I would assume telcoflex wire.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 538 (approx)

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they c/would start the public beta
> >>>>> when they had ~~ 800 sats in orbit. By my seat-of the pants
> >>>>> estimation, that will be another 4-1/2 launches from now;
> >>>>> maybe another 3 months. Call it September, but who knows.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think the biggest obstacle at this point is their pizza
> >>>>> box/flying saucer on a stick user terminal. I heard one
> >>>>> estimate that the build cost for it are in the neighborhood
> >>>>> of $1200.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would say by the beginning of 2021, this topic will not
> >>>>> longer be "OT".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you want to get notification when they can service your
> >>>>> area, go here <https://www.starlink.com/>.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>> 
> >>>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

[Carl Peterson]

I should have known better then to click on that.  I think I'm going to
throw up.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 12:43 PM  wrote:

> I should have said they can’t strike if stretched out.
>
> *From:* Steven Kenney
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 10:47 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>
> When I lived down in Florida our office was right next to some really
> really thick jungle foliage and a river.  I was making my way to the river
> to check it out and I looked down and saw this pale tan snake between my
> legs slithering away that was at least 10feet long and 8 inches around.  I
> almost stepped on it.  Couldn't see the head as it was already moving away
> through the brush.  Pretty sure it was a constricting type but yeah you are
> right.  Most just want to get away and won't bother you or let you know to
> get lost..
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> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, June 25, 2020 11:40:30 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>
> Generally I just walk around them unless they are coiled.  They usually
> move.
> The bad thing is when you are down on your hands and knees and there is a
> coiled one nearby.
> Got nailed on the elbow once doing that.
>
> They strike if they are stretched out.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 9:34 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>
> My wife and I are avid hikers...we use our walking sticks to move them if
> we can't go around them.
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 9:27 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:
>
>> If kids are around where I find em, I kill em.  But most around here are
>> harmless so the ones I find I usually just take out to a ditch or field and
>> dump them.  Snakes are awesome.
>>
>> [image: Rope & Bloggle: December 2010]
>>
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>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, June 25, 2020 11:14:29 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>>
>> Exactly...away from city slickers who just want to kill them...
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 9:12 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> We live in the desert.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 9:04 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>>>
>>> Call a rattlesnake Wrangler...our get those long ass hand grips and put
>>> in large plastic bintake out to the desert.
>>> Rodent control
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 8:40 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's a big bundle of nope-rope.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/25/2020 9:33 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>> > We haven’t yet.
>>>> >
>>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Jun 25, 2020, at 6:30 AM, Jay Weekley 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> How did you fix the problem?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>> >>> Yes, several.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Bill Prince 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I think that's a Western Rattlesnake, but it looks way too long.
>>>> Is that more than one snake in there?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> bp
>>>> >>>> 
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On 6/24/2020 5:34 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
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[AFMUG] Combining outputs from 800-GigE-POE

[Carl Peterson]

If a reverse power situation let's say I had four 24V Gige POE injectors.
Each connected to a 800-GigE-POE and set to extract the power.  Now I
wanted to combine them into one input to power a small switch so that any
or all of them could power the switch.  Would I need a diode(s) or is there
enough isolation in the transformers?
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Re: [AFMUG] Round to flat wire connector / Bussbar

[Carl Peterson]

Strap clamps - something like this:
  https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/dxe-58r-112s-2

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 6:54 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> Do you guys have any suggestions for putting these batteries in series? In
> particular how to terminate wire or a busbar to flat aluminum or copper
> tabs?
>
> I could cut some square bar stock and clamp with bolts or spot weld but I
> was hoping to find a mechanical connector that can pinch the tab and accept
> a 10awg wire (like a bonding/grounding type connector?)
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Re: [AFMUG] Battery supplier

[Carl Peterson]

For backup applications you should use Reds.  We use Red HTs.  Worth it
IMHO.

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:07 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> We typically use smaller 20-50ah SLA batteries from Zeus, eBay, etc, but
> I'm looking to deploy some front-terminal 75-100ah batteries at a new
> site.
>
> Northstar Blue keeps coming up, but they seem to be super expensive.  What
> is everyone using and where are you getting them?
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Re: [AFMUG] Combining outputs from 800-GigE-POE

[Carl Peterson]

Thanks Chuck,

Should I be worried about reverse power?
What diodes would you recommend and where would I place it?  Across the +-
output terminal on each GigE-POE?  Total load would be something less then
.75A.  Likely closer to .5.



On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:36 AM  wrote:

> The DC circuit of these injectors is not much more than a simple splice.
> They will cross feed if that is what you are worried about.  So yes, diodes
> would be needed on all of them to prevent reverse power.
>
> *From:* Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 9, 2020 10:02 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Combining outputs from 800-GigE-POE
>
>
>
> If a reverse power situation let's say I had four 24V Gige POE injectors.
> Each connected to a 800-GigE-POE and set to extract the power.  Now I
> wanted to combine them into one input to power a small switch so that any
> or all of them could power the switch.  Would I need a diode(s) or is there
> enough isolation in the transformers?
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Re: [AFMUG] Battery supplier

[Carl Peterson]

Really just whomever is close to you.  We found a Northstar dealer who
didn't normally sell their telco gear and they add our orders when they are
bringing in a truck.

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:30 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> Ahh - I see blues at many cell sites on their DC plants.  Do you have a
> favorite supplier?
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 12:15 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> For backup applications you should use Reds.  We use Red HTs.  Worth it
>> IMHO.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:07 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> We typically use smaller 20-50ah SLA batteries from Zeus, eBay, etc, but
>>> I'm looking to deploy some front-terminal 75-100ah batteries at a new
>>> site.
>>>
>>> Northstar Blue keeps coming up, but they seem to be super expensive.
>>> What is everyone using and where are you getting them?
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Battery supplier

[Carl Peterson]

My memory is that we had a deal with a local dealer in Annapolis, but
Netusite is telling me we are currently buying them from CEA Power.  Looks
like shipping for 4 NSB100-HT reds and 4 NSB40-HT reds was $170.  That
would be for one core site and one smaller cabinet site.


On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 12:18 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I have 16 of the Northstar 100FT Silver that have been in service for
> about 10 years at 2 different sites, one with HVAC, the other without.
> They still work like new.  I had to ship them freight on a pallet because I
> bought them from a telecom surplus dealer, they were new but past the 12
> month sell-by date.  Freight on batteries is a pain.
>
>
>
> I also have a couple sites with Concorde Lifeline 8D batteries that are
> about that same age, but those are definitely NOT front terminal telecom
> batteries.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 9, 2020 12:03 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Battery supplier
>
>
>
> I wouldn’t mind knowing that dealer.
>
>
>
> *From:* Carl Peterson
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 9, 2020 10:52 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Battery supplier
>
>
>
> Really just whomever is close to you.  We found a Northstar dealer who
> didn't normally sell their telco gear and they add our orders when they are
> bringing in a truck.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:30 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> Ahh - I see blues at many cell sites on their DC plants.  Do you have a
> favorite supplier?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 12:15 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> For backup applications you should use Reds.  We use Red HTs.  Worth it
> IMHO.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:07 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> We typically use smaller 20-50ah SLA batteries from Zeus, eBay, etc, but
> I'm looking to deploy some front-terminal 75-100ah batteries at a new
> site.
>
>
>
> Northstar Blue keeps coming up, but they seem to be super expensive.  What
> is everyone using and where are you getting them?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Might be political - trigger warning

[Carl Peterson]

Ten v Garner say you can't shoot them


On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 11:33 AM  wrote:

> I am largely ignorant of the issues faced in world of law enforcement.
> And perhaps this is a broader philosophical question with no clear answers.
>
> A guy, alone at night, in a city, near the location of a reported armed
> robbery is confronted by cops,  takes off running.
> He drops what appears to be a gun, picks it up and keeps running, should
> he be shot?
>
> I understand that he may take a hostage or start shooting or whatever.  He
> may turn the gun on the cops.
> I remember old cop and robber movies when I was a kid where the cop would
> yell “stop or I’ll shoot”.
>
> We had the above situation happen here in Utah a while back.  Cops were
> found to have done no wrong.
> People are understandably upset.
> A few years ago, a young man playing with a sword was stopped by cops, he
> took off running with the sword and they shot and killed him.
> I presume the same justifications apply.
>
> I wonder how often someone with a weapon does harm after evading the cops.
> I wonder how other countries confront the same problem.
> If a human gets scared and runs due to uncontrolled fear, should they be
> shot?
>
> I was only truly scared once in my life.  Was in a bank robbery.
> I understand that your rational thinking goes out the window a bit when
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Might be political - trigger warning

[Carl Peterson]

Personal feeling is that unless they present a clear immediate danger to
someone in the immediate vicinity, deadly force is unjustified.

On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 11:48 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> I think every situation is different. I also believe the police, in
> general, have been given more slack than they should for quite some time.
> The issue is how to deal with this. I do not envy cops. I have a nephew who
> is a cop, and I worry about him all the time.
>
> One of the more recent cases was an individual who was resisting arrest.
> He grabbed, and fired a taser. As I understand it, most tasers are
> one-and-done. IOW, once the taser has been fired, the only "weapon"
> characteristics it has are as a thrown projectile. That individual was
> running away, and was shot in the back. Was that justified? I would have a
> hard time accepting that as a justified homicide. But that is only one
> example.
>
> With the proliferation of cameras everywhere, this sort of thing is going
> to come up more and more.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 7/10/2020 9:32 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I am largely ignorant of the issues faced in world of law enforcement.
> And perhaps this is a broader philosophical question with no clear answers.
>
> A guy, alone at night, in a city, near the location of a reported armed
> robbery is confronted by cops,  takes off running.
> He drops what appears to be a gun, picks it up and keeps running, should
> he be shot?
>
> I understand that he may take a hostage or start shooting or whatever.  He
> may turn the gun on the cops.
> I remember old cop and robber movies when I was a kid where the cop would
> yell “stop or I’ll shoot”.
>
> We had the above situation happen here in Utah a while back.  Cops were
> found to have done no wrong.
> People are understandably upset.
> A few years ago, a young man playing with a sword was stopped by cops, he
> took off running with the sword and they shot and killed him.
> I presume the same justifications apply.
>
> I wonder how often someone with a weapon does harm after evading the cops.
> I wonder how other countries confront the same problem.
> If a human gets scared and runs due to uncontrolled fear, should they be
> shot?
>
> I was only truly scared once in my life.  Was in a bank robbery.
> I understand that your rational thinking goes out the window a bit when
> you are really scared.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?

[Carl Peterson]

5Gs from your tower are messing up the birds chakras.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:46 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Aren't birds sensitive to magnetism because they navigate with the earth's
> magnetic field?  Or is that a myth?  Maybe something about this fuse holder
> causes a navigational issue for the birdies.
>
>
> On 7/13/2020 12:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> On Saturday we had a power outage.  Beautiful day.  Towers on batteries,
> but after an hour we head up there with a generator.  Plug it in and we're
> good to go.  Outage was caused by a bird on the pole and the fuse popped.
>
> Power company comes by, puts up a new fuse.  Power is back.  He gets in
> the truck and drives down the lane, about 50 feet, and *POP*.  Another bird
> and fuse.  Replaces another.  Good for a few more hours.
>
> Then this morning - power outage AGAIN.  A third "bird" on the ground
> below the fuse.
>
> Obviously something's going on, being it's been three times in three days
> when this has never happened since ~2008.  Maybe someone put peanut oil and
> the rodents are trading services?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Commscope RealFlex 3 Staples

[Carl Peterson]

I specced T18s for my crew.  I haven't checked in with them on them but
haven't had any complaints.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 1:59 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have a staple gun / staples that they use with this?  The
> documentation mentions "Commscope approved staples", but I'm unable to find
> anything beyond that.
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Re: [AFMUG] Commscope RealFlex 3 Staples

[Carl Peterson]

And light levels are coming in as designed so I'm guessing they are fine.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 5:00 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> I specced T18s for my crew.  I haven't checked in with them on them but
> haven't had any complaints.
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 1:59 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have a staple gun / staples that they use with this?  The
>> documentation mentions "Commscope approved staples", but I'm unable to find
>> anything beyond that.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

[Carl Peterson]

I choose the cheapest one that includes cleaning the underbody.  In MN that
is generally what we're there for.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 2:58 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> That does make sense that you need take rate when you are spending dollars
> per foot of network built. You've spent $1k to cross that lot, might as
> well get a customer hooked up at any price (assuming a comfortable ROI
> length).
>
>
>
> -
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> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
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> *From: *"Mark Radabaugh" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, July 16, 2020 7:06:36 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router
>
> The fiber builds are targeting a different market than our fixed wireless.
>   We have to build out fiber to our tower sites that are predominantly in
> small villages that have cable systems.   The pricing and marketing is all
> aimed at competing with Spectrum and taking market share from them.  I need
> the take rate more than I need the ARPU when we are competing with cable.
>
> Mark
>
> On Jul 16, 2020, at 12:16 AM, Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
> Wouldn't you be better off selling one plan like Google? A gig for $70. Or
> at least get rid of the $50 plan. Do 50 Meg for $60 and gig for $70. That
> way it's almost a no brainer to go with the gig. 20x more speed for only
> $10 more!!!
>
> I bet your profit would be higher overall, even with slightly fewer
> customers. I don't think it's about the highest market share, but rather
> highest profit. We've been working on raising our ARPU for the wisp and
> we're over $82 right now. Yes we lose a handful of customers from price
> increases but we overall make more money since most don't cancel. Our
> customer count has increased every month since we started in 2012. Back
> then our arpu was about $54 and it's increased to $82 now. I've talked to
> wisps that are even higher in the triple digits.
>
> Any business not raising their prices when demand is this strong is
> leaving money on the table. This is totally dependent on competition I
> understand. For us, we try to be the most reliable with the best customer
> service. This allows us to sell a premium priced service compared to dsl
> and other wisps. Word of mouth from our existing customers drives our
> sales.
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 7:35 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 15, 2020, at 6:55 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> So you’re selling 25M of bandwidth and 975M of bragging rights?
>>
>>
>> Yep, exactly.   And that’s all it is really.
>>
>>
>> Gamers probably use the gig speed for awhile whenever a new gigantic game
>> comes out.  But that’s not like video streaming which I swear some people
>> do 24x7.
>>
>>
>> Once in a blue moon somebody manages to peg it out long enough to show up
>> on a 5 minute average.
>>
>> I found this interesting in that statistics:
>>
>> We offer 100Mb, 250Mb and GigE plans at $49.95, $59.95, and $79.95
>>
>> Of those plans 41% take the 100Mb plan, 38% select 250Mb, and 20% take
>> the Gigabit plan.
>>
>> The  typical distribution would be that the middle plan having the
>> highest percentage - and it doesn't.   To me that says that customers are
>> seeing value and plenty of speed at 100Mb.   A few guy who need bragging
>> rights take the Gigabit plan.   We thank them for the contribution to the
>> retirement fund.
>>
>> Mark
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

[Carl Peterson]

whoops

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:59 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Huh?  Wrong thread?  That sounds like a car wash decision.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2020 3:13 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router
>
>
>
> I choose the cheapest one that includes cleaning the underbody.  In MN
> that is generally what we're there for.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 2:58 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> That does make sense that you need take rate when you are spending dollars
> per foot of network built. You've spent $1k to cross that lot, might as
> well get a customer hooked up at any price (assuming a comfortable ROI
> length).
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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> *From: *"Mark Radabaugh" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, July 16, 2020 7:06:36 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router
>
> The fiber builds are targeting a different market than our fixed wireless.
>   We have to build out fiber to our tower sites that are predominantly in
> small villages that have cable systems.   The pricing and marketing is all
> aimed at competing with Spectrum and taking market share from them.  I need
> the take rate more than I need the ARPU when we are competing with cable.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Jul 16, 2020, at 12:16 AM, Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Wouldn't you be better off selling one plan like Google? A gig for $70. Or
> at least get rid of the $50 plan. Do 50 Meg for $60 and gig for $70. That
> way it's almost a no brainer to go with the gig. 20x more speed for only
> $10 more!!!
>
>
>
> I bet your profit would be higher overall, even with slightly fewer
> customers. I don't think it's about the highest market share, but rather
> highest profit. We've been working on raising our ARPU for the wisp and
> we're over $82 right now. Yes we lose a handful of customers from price
> increases but we overall make more money since most don't cancel. Our
> customer count has increased every month since we started in 2012. Back
> then our arpu was about $54 and it's increased to $82 now. I've talked to
> wisps that are even higher in the triple digits.
>
>
>
> Any business not raising their prices when demand is this strong is
> leaving money on the table. This is totally dependent on competition I
> understand. For us, we try to be the most reliable with the best customer
> service. This allows us to sell a premium priced service compared to dsl
> and other wisps. Word of mouth from our existing customers drives our
> sales.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 7:35 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2020, at 6:55 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>
>
> So you’re selling 25M of bandwidth and 975M of bragging rights?
>
>
>
> Yep, exactly.   And that’s all it is really.
>
>
>
>
>
> Gamers probably use the gig speed for awhile whenever a new gigantic game
> comes out.  But that’s not like video streaming which I swear some people
> do 24x7.
>
>
>
> Once in a blue moon somebody manages to peg it out long enough to show up
> on a 5 minute average.
>
>
>
> I found this interesting in that statistics:
>
>
>
> We offer 100Mb, 250Mb and GigE plans at $49.95, $59.95, and $79.95
>
> Of those plans 41% take the 100Mb plan, 38% select 250Mb, and 20% take the
> Gigabit plan.
>
>
>
> The  typical distribution would be that the middle plan having the highest
> percentage - and it doesn't.   To me that says that customers are seeing
> value and plenty of speed at 100Mb.   A few guy who need bragging rights
> take the Gigabit plan.   We thank them for the contribution to the
> retirement fund.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news

[Carl Peterson]

That first post was pretty tasteless too.  That racist syrup tastes like
crap,  In all seriousness though, the pic in the first post is stunningly
racist and inappropriate.

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 4:04 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> A little late because I’ve been on the road, but I agree with Adam, that
> was tasteless.  Don Jr., Eric, Ivanka and Jared are fair game since they’re
> not just family, they’re part of the carnival show.  But otherwise, leave
> the wives and kids out of it.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 3:40 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news
>
>
>
> I guess I should have rephrased that:
>
> The last one ended up with everything except for what was rightfully mine.
>
> There are some minority shareholders suing them for what is rightfully
> theirs too.
>
> So she may end up with less than she has right now.
>
> But she got a super sweet deal – all for making the decision to marry
> someone about 40 years older than she was.
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 2:18 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news
>
>
>
> AKA The last Starfighter.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 7/30/2020 1:11 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> The last one ended up with everything.
>
>
>
> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 1:55 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news
>
>
>
> Why not just leave?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 3:54 PM  wrote:
>
> I lived through a an era of having a business partner that had the sugar
> daddy thing happening.  Those wives of his earned what they got.
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 1:47 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news
>
>
>
> Rumors I read were that she did not "sign up" for the White House gig, and
> she re-negotiated the pre-nup before she moved from NYC to DC. There is
> also some guarantees she negotiated for the Baron.
>
> IMO, she originally signed up for a sugar daddy, and things have
> (obviously) gotten more complicated.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 7/30/2020 12:38 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I wonder how he got her to stay, especially after the access hollywood
> tape and the other stuff came out.
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 1:34 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news
>
>
>
> This is not any more classy than people calling Michelle Obama an ape.
>
> If anything Melania is a victim of circumstance.  "First Lady" is probably
> not the job she signed up for.
>
>
>
> On 7/30/2020 1:22 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> What's the difference between a Rolls Royce and Melania?
>
> Not everyone has been inside a Rolls-Royce...sas
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 11:07 AM  wrote:
>
> The pimp just does not do anything for me.  Now the hooker on the other
> hand...
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 10:25 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news
>
>
>
> I have tons more
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 10:23 AM  wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Carl Peterson]

Gino - Deaths are a lagging indicator.  Deaths are still going up while it
looks like new cases are starting to go down.
Robbert -  No offense but that makes zero sense and is counterfactual.
Testing rates are continuing to rise.

Pure speculation but I'd guess more dumb asses are starting to catch on and
are wearing their masks now.


On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:38 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> The virus doesn't care about statistics.
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 8:57 AM  wrote:
>
>> Not wanting to jinx this but it looks promising.
>> [image: image]
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Carl Peterson]

Lewis, It seems that you are still implying that there is some economic
incentive to report more positive cases.  As far as I can tell, this is not
the case whatsoever.  That may not be your intent, but the structure of
your sentence "I merely quesited about there being some misguided economic
incentive, ..." vs something like " I merely quesited whether there may be
some misguided economic incentive, ..." suggests that the incentive
exists.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 8:26 AM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> 
> WTF don't you people understand? How many times do I have to state I am
> NOT trying to state, imply, or propagate that there is a conspiracy to
> inflate, deflate, or otherwise misreport the numbers?
>
> I'll state again, for I hope the very last time:
> Anecdotal information I have personal knowledge of to be true, that there
> is over reporting in this oh so tiny subset of data. I am sure there is
> misreporting of positive cases as negative. I merely quesited about there
> being some misguided economic incentive, put in place with the best
> intentions but possibly mistakenly incentivizing testing facilities, to
> report positive cases. I have no idea why such a policy would be put in
> place.
>
> Whatever, this whole thing has just driven people crazy.
>
> If you think you are gonna get sick, stay isolated. If your grandmother is
> fragile, she should stay isolated. If you are healthy, or just don't care
> anymore, do whatever the $%@& you want.
> 
> Other than that, it is going to be mighty hot out there today.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Carl Peterson]

Josh,

I'm surprised to find you supporting my point.

"The first round of grants will be distributed based on historical share
Medicare revenue, not based on COVID-19 burden. Therefore, hard-hit states
like New York will receive far less per COVID-19 case than most other
states.

HHS said it doled out the first slice of funding based on Medicare revenue
to get support to hospitals as quickly as possible. The agency said
<https://www.hhs.gov/provider-relief/index.html> the next round of grants
"will focus on providers in areas particularly impacted by the COVID-19
outbreak," rural hospitals and other healthcare providers that receive much
of their revenues from Medicaid."

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 9:03 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> >implying that there is some economic incentive to report more positive
> cases.  As far as I can tell, this is not the case whatsoever.
>
>
> https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/state-by-state-breakdown-of-federal-aid-per-covid-19-case.html
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:01 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Lewis, It seems that you are still implying that there is some economic
>> incentive to report more positive cases.  As far as I can tell, this is not
>> the case whatsoever.  That may not be your intent, but the structure of
>> your sentence "I merely quesited about there being some misguided economic
>> incentive, ..." vs something like " I merely quesited whether there may be
>> some misguided economic incentive, ..." suggests that the incentive
>> exists.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 8:26 AM Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>> WTF don't you people understand? How many times do I have to state I am
>>> NOT trying to state, imply, or propagate that there is a conspiracy to
>>> inflate, deflate, or otherwise misreport the numbers?
>>>
>>> I'll state again, for I hope the very last time:
>>> Anecdotal information I have personal knowledge of to be true, that
>>> there is over reporting in this oh so tiny subset of data. I am sure there
>>> is misreporting of positive cases as negative. I merely quesited about
>>> there being some misguided economic incentive, put in place with the best
>>> intentions but possibly mistakenly incentivizing testing facilities, to
>>> report positive cases. I have no idea why such a policy would be put in
>>> place.
>>>
>>> Whatever, this whole thing has just driven people crazy.
>>>
>>> If you think you are gonna get sick, stay isolated. If your grandmother
>>> is fragile, she should stay isolated. If you are healthy, or just don't
>>> care anymore, do whatever the $%@& you want.
>>> 
>>> Other than that, it is going to be mighty hot out there today.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Carl Peterson]

IMHO there should be economic incentive to identify and isolate as many
cases as possible.  There should also be economic incentives for people who
test positive to isolate.  eg if you test positive, do contact tracing and
isolate at home for two weeks you get paid 2K a week to do it and your
employer has to give you the time off (paid or unpaid at their
discretion).  Of course there will be people that work the system but in
the big picture who cares?  Especially at the individual level.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 9:23 AM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I wish it was funny but it doesn't matter how they dole out the money.
> Several tons of it will be wasted and go somewhere it isn't needed. It is
> just the nature of anything large be it government, business, or NGO.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Political and I should probably not post this

[Carl Peterson]

I just skimmed it but I think the TLDR on it is that since UI varies by
state etc you can compare return to work rates for people making more and
less then they used to and it seems they return to work at similar rates.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:10 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Pretty sure unemployment is taxed like ordinary income at the federal
> level.  State by state varies.  I think your numbers are assuming it isn't
> taxed?
>
> Yale did a study on this.
>
> CARES-UI_identification_vF(1).pdf
> (2,000K)
>
> <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=65db33fe01&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r4257579253290864261&view=att&disp=safe&realattid=f_kdixrue20>
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 9:59 AM  wrote:
>
>> But at the risk of starting another brush fire...  but I want to know:
>>
>> People laid of in Utah get unemployment benefits.  I work hard to prevent
>> those getting charged to me.  But I know that the rates paid are $496/week
>> max.  That is Utah.
>> So $12.40/hour take home.  Equivalent to much more gross.  Probably in
>> the $17/hour range gross.
>>
>> Then if I understand it right, the feds were adding $600/week on top of
>> that?  $1096/week?  $56,992 annual rate.  Take home.  Equivalent to perhaps
>> $80K gross?
>>
>> So a laid off bartender gets the equivalent of $40/hour to sit at home,
>> why would they want to work?  The press and libs in congress have been
>> freaking out about the conservatives saying the fat benefit package is an
>> incentive to not try to work.  I believe that to be true.  Why would anyone
>> work if they get that much for drinking beer and playing video games?
>>
>> Do I have this right?  Does the fed benefit add to the state benefit?
>>
>> I have a son that lived on $1000/month for years while in college.  He
>> said he didn’t feel the pinch too much.  Had roommates.  Had a part time
>> job.  Never asked me for money.
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Re: [AFMUG] a real af question

[Carl Peterson]

I need a vehicle to drive between two offices on paved roads.  Diesel
fuel.  I need recommendations.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:05 AM  wrote:

> I need to connect two offices with fiber.  Going to put a switch on both
> ends with an SFP.
> 48 volts power.  Rack mount.  I need a recommendation.  I may do Netonix
> but I would like to hear opinions.
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Re: [AFMUG] a real af question

[Carl Peterson]

I think what people are getting at here is what else do you want to do with
the switches?

1G?  10G?  100G SFP interfaces? Quantity of each you are looking for.
1G Copper port count?
POE for cameras etc?  if so, what type.


On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 1:58 PM  wrote:

> Draw two boxes.  Put fiber between the two boxes.  Now, what goes on the
> end of the fiber?
>
>
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2020 10:56 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] a real af question
>
> Chuck, i'll design it for you :) hit me off list!
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 9:39 AM  wrote:
>
>> Yeahbut, what would be a good brand.  Are the FS things OK.  I have had
>> good luck with UBNT.  Really don’t want to pay for Cisco.  On second look
>> Netonix may not be the best option.  I would really like 48 vdc power but
>> most of them don’t have that option.  I have sinewave inverters at both
>> ends so I can do AC but I just didn’t want to.
>>
>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2020 10:29 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] a real af question
>>
>> They make them in a wide variety of capacity and port configs.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 10:41 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I guess I could do media converters.  But the switches on one end
>>> are a bit old.  I suppose I could put a 48 port POE with SFP on one end and
>>> the media converter at the other.
>>>
>>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2020 9:36 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] a real af question
>>>
>>> We always used Plantronics. They may be out of favor now but they make
>>> industrial switches with DIN mounts that are as small as two ports.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:05 AM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I need to connect two offices with fiber.  Going to put a switch on
>>>> both ends with an SFP.
>>>> 48 volts power.  Rack mount.  I need a recommendation.  I may do
>>>> Netonix but I would like to hear opinions.
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Re: [AFMUG] a real af question

[Carl Peterson]

At risk of being outed as a fake network designer, I'm actually pretty
happy with Unifi SDNs.  We run them for managed networks and they are
pretty robust.  I say that and next thing you know my server/software guy
is going to start flaming me...

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 4:06 PM  wrote:

> I guess we have settled on a UBNT router on one end and a UBNT switch on
> the other.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:56 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] a real af question
>
> We are in the same boat looking at switches for everything migrating to
> fiber. I love my HP procurves, but getting into more than a handful of SFP+
> ports gets us way far from hundreds of dollars per switch. I dont consider
> netonix because I like unfried gear and ports, theyre like a running
> ubiquiti beta.
> Im curious about these plantronics
> I was leary of looking at the cambium solutions due to price, but thinking
> about it, we run packetflux and at 250 per 4 radios, going to a poe out
> switch too is worth looking at, but i love packetflux, so im torn. I like
> keeping my power and sync independent and not having it comingled with pps
> and throughput
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 3:18 PM  wrote:
>
>> Yes, in the UBNT switch it has 2 of each.
>>
>> *From:* Cassidy B. Larson
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2020 1:53 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] a real af question
>>
>> Does your wiring closet switch(es) have SFP/SFP+ ports? If so, just use
>> that on that side.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 1:46 PM,   wrote:
>>
>> I have a C.O. on one end and and my main building wiring closet on the
>> other.  Wiring closet has 72 ethernet switch ports in it.
>> It also currently has servers.  I want to first and foremost move the
>> servers to the other location.
>>
>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2020 1:07 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] a real af question
>>
>> I think what people are getting at here is what else do you want to do
>> with the switches?
>>
>> 1G?  10G?  100G SFP interfaces? Quantity of each you are looking for.
>> 1G Copper port count?
>> POE for cameras etc?  if so, what type.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 1:58 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Draw two boxes.  Put fiber between the two boxes.  Now, what goes on the
>>> end of the fiber?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* TJ Trout
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2020 10:56 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] a real af question
>>>
>>> Chuck, i'll design it for you :) hit me off list!
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 9:39 AM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeahbut, what would be a good brand.  Are the FS things OK.  I have had
>>>> good luck with UBNT.  Really don’t want to pay for Cisco.  On second look
>>>> Netonix may not be the best option.  I would really like 48 vdc power but
>>>> most of them don’t have that option.  I have sinewave inverters at both
>>>> ends so I can do AC but I just didn’t want to.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2020 10:29 AM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] a real af question
>>>>
>>>> They make them in a wide variety of capacity and port configs.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 10:41 AM  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, I guess I could do media converters.  But the switches on one
>>>>> end are a bit old.  I suppose I could put a 48 port POE with SFP on one 
>>>>> end
>>>>> and the media converter at the other.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2020 9:36 AM
>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] a real af question
>>>>>
>>>>> We always used Plantronics. They may be out of favor now but they make
>>>>> industrial switches with DIN mounts that are as small as two ports.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:05 AM  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I need to connect two offices with fiber.  Going to put a switch on
>>>>>> both ends with an SFP.
>>>>>> 48 volts power.  Rack mount.  I need a recommendation.  I may do
>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] DC dual feed module for -48V?

[Carl Peterson]

I know it exists.  I just saw one the other day and thought I need to
document this somewhere...  Don't remember where.

How much power?

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:02 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> Does anyone know of a DC dual feed redundancy module like the Meanwell
> DRDN20DIN but that will work with -48VDC when +0V return is bonded to
> ground? All of the ones I see have diodes on the + side which doesn't
> work when + is bonded to ground and - has the breaker on it.
>
> I want to feed a Rackinjector input with redundancy.
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Re: [AFMUG] managed MUX?

[Carl Peterson]

Yes.  Even passive gear can have a monitor port.
https://www.fs.com/products/33485.html

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 1:01 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> Roadm?
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 10:46 AM  wrote:
>
>> When people sell wavelengths as a service, how do you monitor that?  Is
>> there something like a “managed” mux that lets you see light levels on each
>> wavelength?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz Equipment

[Carl Peterson]

Siklu says they are native L2 and don't use V6 at all.  I have some on
order and am working on the network design for a neighborhood right now.
Important to think about uptilt / downtilt as most of this stuff is
designed for pole top deployments or a bit higher than that.  They also
have a multihaul product which is more sector/clients based.

On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:27 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Vivint tried that and gave up
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 10:36 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, as far as I can see, you pretty much need to have some kind of an
>> agreement with any customer you put a distribution node on to keep that
>> gear running. Just sticking distribution nodes on any customer's house
>> where it makes sense sounds like a great way to build a network, in theory,
>> but in practice it's going to cause yourself a lot of problems if you don't
>> have something in place to keep them from cancelling service or randomly
>> unplugging it when they decide to clean the house or go on vacation and
>> that sort of thing.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:23 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>>
>>> One thing that I am hearing about the mesh functionality with Siklu and
>>> CnWave is that it works great. But when one puts gear on a customer premise
>>> and that becomes a backhaul to other cpe's how do you manage the system
>>> when the customer at the first "backhaul" decides to quit, power off their
>>> equipment, or move things cause the gear is on their house? I assume that
>>> once you tell the customer that they are a backhaul, then do you give them
>>> free or reduced service in order to keep that gear on? What if they leave
>>> you and strand 15 other clients behind them? You are screwed and it is a
>>> fundamentally flawed system in my opinion.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 8:18 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike was in Phoenix last few weeks...will follow up with him..
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 8:15 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not yet...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 5:12 PM Jason McKemie <
>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jaime -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you heard anything on this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, February 11, 2022, Jaime Solorza <
>>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me check with Mike Scott from Webatron...they are deploying
>>>>>>> Siklu ptmp for the Tigua Indian Reservation..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 11:44 AM Jason McKemie <
>>>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I guess I should have specified ptmp, but it is good to know their
>>>>>>>> equipment works well. Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 12:36 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>>>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I installed about 50 links using the Siklus for Boingo Wireless at
>>>>>>>>> Fort Bliss years ago...I like their mounting hardware much more than
>>>>>>>>> Ubiquiti's or Bridgewave's...never worked on Cambium 60Ghz stuff..
>>>>>>>>> The Siklus worked great..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 11:29 AM Jason McKemie <
>>>>>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking to deploy this for a short-range downtown network
>>>>>>>>>> from a multi-story building, does anyone have any recommended 
>>>>>>>>>> equipment
>>>>>>>>>> vendors in this band? It looks like Cambium, Siklu, and Ignitenet 
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> offerings, but I'm not sure what differentiates them.
>>>>>>>>>>
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