That's from the article Lewis posted above my comment... On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:33 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> Several years back, NPR – possibly This American Life – had l long bit > about a company that is paid by the Guvmnt to help people qualify for > disability. In other words to find any trick possible to get them on > disability. Fascinating. > Tax dollars at work. > > Found it. An excerpt: > "Just out of curiosity, what is your disability?" the judge asked from the > bench. > "I have high blood pressure," the man said. > "So do I," the judge said. "What else?" > "I have diabetes." > "So do I." > > https://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/ > > > *From:* Lewis Bergman > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 9:46 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT People > > Well, here is a great discussion on the Subject of Disability, > unemployment, and the fleecing we are getting > <https://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/> > It is an NPR article so I doubt many would call it conservatively biased. > The fact is, when people run out of other types of programs, like welfare, > they go straight for disability,. > > Wish I could get my wife on that train. She recently joined the ranks fo > the unemployed due to her retail job closing shop but I can't seem to get > her to either look for a job or file for unemployment. I have paid for > unemployment for decades and never used it. I guess this is anecdotal study > on human nature. Until someone experiences negative consequences they feel > no need to do anything. Well, some people. > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 10:13 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Some eligible disabilities would be very easy to fake. Agoraphobia for >> example. >> >> I have no data on how prevalent such fakery really is. Different >> political groups will tell us different stories on that...but it's >> certainly not hard to do. >> >> An average disability payment is $1258/month (anywhere from $800-$3000 >> based on a formula with a lot of factors). If your only income is >> disability then you probably also qualify for HEAP and SNAP. HEAP would >> get you $375/month if you have gas heat (more for oil or propane, but >> presumably because those cost more....I wouldn't know). OR it would get you >> $35/month if you have utilities included in your rent. SNAP could provide >> up to $194/month for a single person in NY. >> >> If I'm a single person with an average disability payment, getting $35 >> from HEAP and $194 from SNAP then that's roughly equal to $9.29/hour. You >> wouldn't pay income tax on that, but a person making $9/hour is getting >> pretty much everything refunded every April anyway....so it's really about >> the same. You won't live a good life, but you won't have to take any crap >> from The Man either. >> >> If you have a child or two you can get another few hundred from TANF, but >> TANF requires you to work and/or look for work so you have to optimize that >> one by working exactly the right amount and then get fired. Ideally get >> those kids diagnosed with autism or some such so you can start collecting >> disability checks on their behalf too....then you don't have to worry about >> optimizing TANF anymore. You only get 5 years of TANF, but if you can't at >> least one doctor to say your kids has a disability within 5 years then you >> probably aren't trying hard. Medicare is paying for these doctor visits, >> so just keep going and make sure to complain about all the right symptoms. >> >> On the one hand I have a brother with >100% disability due to injuries >> sustained in Afghanistan, so I'm not saying these programs should go away. >> On the other hand I have an ex-sister in law who gets a disability check >> for her psychological issues, and also has 3 children diagnosed with >> autism, so she gets additional benefits for the 3 of them. I think her >> real disability is being an unreasonable person and I think childhood >> autism symptoms look suspiciously like the standard behavior of bratty kids >> you aren't paying any attention to. >> >> Again, I don't know how many people like that are out there (hopefully >> not too many), but there's definitely a road-map already laid out for your >> friend's daughter to be able to live a frugal, but not uncomfortable life >> without having to work 40 hours and contribute to society. >> >> </crying about society><back to work> >> >> >> On 3/24/2020 12:22 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: >> >> >> >> a friend of a friend recently told me of a story they're having to deal >> with. Daughter "got into a bad situation" and was offered a roof where >> relative was living in another state. After making the "mad dash" to >> "rescue" her, she's being very difficult. They tried to help find her a >> job. She wasn't interested. Had apparently been watching too much bernie >> sanders or something. Explained the job. Response was how dare you >> interrupt my private time. Tell you what, i'll consider the job for no >> more than $15 an hour. Friend explained no job starts at $15 an hour, at >> least not around here. Maybe you can start at $8 or $9 but then you have >> to get some experience and maybe over time you'll get raises to higher >> levels. >> >> Response was something about how in her other life she worked at a >> grocery store, a union was involved, union didn't do anything, didn't get >> backpay she was owed, etc this, etc that, yadda yadda.... >> >> todays update - - apparently she sat on hold for two hours to apply for >> disability benefits. i asked my friend what disability? he laughed, >> shook his head, and said i have no idea..... >> >> what on earth is going on??? lol >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2020 3:24 PM >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT People >> >> Had to fire a guy today. He had a checkered past. Drugs, prison etc. >> I gave him a shot, lots of training, (at least now he can have a career, >> he was doing asbestos removal when I hired him). >> >> Seems that he shoplifted at one of our favorite supply houses. >> They had eyes on him when he went in, security footage of him standing by >> a rack of stuff and when he turned away things were gone. >> The front of his coat was bulging when he left. >> He visited the john, after he left they went in there and found some tags >> etc etc etc. >> I told them I would pay for the stuff. They sent me an itemized bill >> with the exact stuff he took. >> >> Of course he wasn’t there, didn’t do it, didn’t steal, thought about >> stealing this stuff but didn’t do it. >> Wrongly accused, can he talk to the vendor etc etc. >> I first found out when the vendor called me and told me he is permanently >> banned from their place. >> >> He was a parolee. We even removed a bullet from his back that the cops >> had put there. >> It was bothering him and he could not get anyone to cut it out. He >> didn’t want to spend the money to do it right. >> So one evening after work he was complaining about it to the crew. >> My son the mechanic scrubbed up, got out the betadyne, scalpel, forceps >> and out it came. >> (howz that for a company health plan). >> >> I have hired a bunch of guys like him over the years. It rarely works >> out. I have written letters to judges, hired lawyers, got sentences >> reduced, got people sprung from jail. >> Very few figure out how to leverage the chances I have given. >> >> Sucks losing the training time I have invested... >> Sucks losing an employee that knows how to do some valuable things. >> Sucks seeing humans continue to screw up their lives. >> >> About 20 years ago I was complaining about this same thing to someone. >> I told him I was not going to do this anymore. >> He said: “yes, you will keep doing it”. Nope, done. >> I guess he was right, I kept doing it. I will probably do it again. 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