There shouldn't need to be a lent request. It is always lent. On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 2:45 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> Guys, there has been a LENT request. Let's all drop it for now. Please. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Andrews > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 1:41 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Do I dare jinx it? > > Ok so you keep wanting to politicize the discussion? How about that > trump followers are the ones marching around meeting in groups without > face masks because they need to show its their rights? And maybe just > maybe the virus could give two swats of a cows tail about someones > rights when it flies through the air and lands on someones eyeball from > another someone this is shouting at the top of their lungs about their > rights. Seems more like Darwinian selection than media bias. > > Now I know personally that a VERY Trump area in far northeast > California, modoc county has zero cases. But that area has natural > social distancing. I've been there and watched a lot of people without > masks, but they also don't feel the need to gather in groups to proclaim > the right not to wear masks. Should be interesting to see if they get > any cases now that the restaurants have reopened. But if there aren't > any cases there and nobody brings it in, they should be good to go. > > > On 05/13/2020 12:23 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > This amazes me. Not saying the media bais is presenting as patently > false > > news, but this disease is apparently becoming self aware and leans left. > > Its learned to target based on where you live and who you vote for. > > > https://www.salon.com/2020/05/12/leaked-white-house-data-shows-infections-spiking-more-than-1000-in-rural-areas-that-backed-trump/ > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 2:20 PM Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com > > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote: > > > > It looks like, if you pull out the 15% plotted on a single day, they > > would look pretty similar? > > > > On 05/13/2020 11:57 AM, Harold Bledsoe wrote: > > > Here's another example of why you need to be careful on how data > is > > > presented. Here is the deaths that WaPo shows (correctly labeled > > as > > > "reported" although I'm not sure how many people notice that): > > > > > > Screen Shot 2020-05-13 at 1.54.32 PM.png > > > > > > And here is the same data as reported on the state of CO website > > which > > > is based on date of death instead of date reported: > > > > > > Screen Shot 2020-05-13 at 1.44.11 PM.png > > > > > > These 2 graphs are fairly different in shape I'd say. > > > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 1:33 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies > > > <m...@mailmt.com <mailto:m...@mailmt.com> <mailto:m...@mailmt.com > > <mailto:m...@mailmt.com>>> wrote: > > > > > > Robert, > > > > > > That is BS. Don't even get me started on national media. > This > > > website has been running since the beginning of the year > > > > > > > > > > > https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429 > > > > > > Two things to keep in mind with Florida. If you look at > > > worldometers site some days you'll see FL jump by 100+ > > cases. That > > > doesn't mean FL had those deaths on that day. It was just > > reported > > > on that day. The arcis site is more accurate with the daily > > count, > > > being they will go back and adjust the data based on actual > > death > > > day and not reported day. Big difference with the graph. > > > > > > As for the media games and stories with FL not reporting, > > there is > > > an issue with counting deaths. The total numbers from all > the > > ME > > > offices were about 10% higher than what the state was > > officially > > > reporting. Not sure why, they are thinking maybe double > > counts. > > > Died in different county than register as resident. Counted > > in both > > > counties. The state decided that they would be the ones to > > report > > > the official numbers and asked the ME to not make their > numbers > > > public. They are still collecting the data, but just not > > reporting it. > > > > > > I really don't understand why this has become such a big deal > > with > > > the media. 10% or even 20% doesn't really change much in the > > > overall numbers. The national media is always getting things > > wrong > > > about FL. Hurricanes wiping out the whole state, pythons > > falling > > > out of trees, gators attacking people everyday, etc. > > > > > > Once again, I feel things have been handled well down here. I > > won't > > > go as far as saying the government is responsible for how > well > > we > > > are doing. I'm going mostly with environment and luck. > Things > > are > > > starting to open up, so we'll see what happens in the next few > > > months. The true test will be once the Orlando area opens up. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Best regards, > > > Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com <mailto:m...@mailmt.com> > > > > > > Myakka Technologies, Inc. > > > www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com> <http://www.Myakka.com> > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 1:26:05 PM, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > FL was not releasing Covid numbers till last week, was in > the > > > national news... > > > > > > On 5/13/20 10:14 AM, Harold Bledsoe wrote: > > > > > > Here are deaths in FL for weeks 1-17 for 2020 vs 2018: > > > > > > > > > > > > If you sum it up, there are 272 more total deaths during this > > time > > > period in FL in 2020 than in 2018. > > > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 10:50 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies > > > <m...@mailmt.com <mailto:m...@mailmt.com> > > <mailto:m...@mailmt.com <mailto:m...@mailmt.com>>> wrote: > > > > > > I have to put this in perspective for at least the state of > > > Florida. Starting in February, if you believed the reports, > > we were > > > suppose to be the next NY. We had spring break, we have an > > older > > > population, we have Orlando, and we have a republican > > governor. Our > > > hospitals were suppose to be over run and turning people > away. > > A > > > republican governor by default is incompetent, so things were > > going > > > to get out of hand quickly. > > > > > > Where are we today? 1827 deaths. That is only about 2% of > > the total > > > deaths in the US. To dig even deeper, in 2017 (last year I > can > > > easily get) FL had 203,353 deaths for the year. That comes > > out to > > > about 50,838 deaths per quarter. Assuming the 1827 is off by > > 20% > > > due to under reporting (bit of a pissing match going on with > > state > > > and ME's) that gives us about 2200 COVID-19 deaths. Assuming > > there > > > is no overlap between COVID-19 and normal deaths we get an > > increase > > > of about 4% of deaths over 2017 deaths. > > > > > > That 4% is most likely closer to 1% over 2019 being there is a > > > natural increase of about 1% - 2% per year on number of > deaths > > in > > > FL. Not to mention the overlap of people who died of > > COVID-19 that > > > would have died of something else anyway. > > > > > > We have almost 600,000 tests with only about a 7% positive > > rate. I > > > find that number very surprising being we are reportedly only > > > testing the worst of the worst. > > > > > > The question is, why are we doing so well? Is it the > > government, > > > the people, the environment, pure dumb luck, or a combination? > > > > > > > > > I for one am very happy with the FL results so far and see no > > reason > > > not to start opening the state. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Best regards, > > > Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com <mailto:m...@mailmt.com> > > > > > > Myakka Technologies, Inc. > > > www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com> <http://www.Myakka.com> > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 11:03:56 AM, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > Its all over. My mom sent me an Alex Jones video. I almost > > think > > > matricide in some cases is the more humane solution The big > > question > > > is whether or not that would be a covid related death and add > > to the > > > graph > > > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:29 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com > > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > > > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>> wrote: > > > > > > Well the local minima seems to be taking nice orderly steps > > down > > > each week except for a couple weeks back where it stayed > > about the same. > > > But the trends do not seem to be going up. So I will take > > that as a > > > phase 1 win. Hopefully we are on the road to eradication. If > > the > > > local minima steps continue on the same trend, it looks like > > they > > > will hit the bottom in a month.... one month to go... I > think > > I > > > have said that several times over the past few months... > > > > > > *From:* Bill Prince > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2020 8:14 AM > > > *To: *af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Do I dare jinx it? > > > > > > I would love if they still did the 7-day moving average. If > > you look > > > at the logarithmic curve of total deaths, the curve is > actually > > > flattening. However, the linear curve is still rising. > > > Since there is about a 2 to 2-1/2 hysteresis to the > > action/effect, > > > we will know more sometime between May 24 and May 30. Much of > > the > > > country is "opening up" around May 10, so if that negatively > > impacts > > > the death rate, we won't really know about it for 14-18 days. > > > > > > bp > > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > > > On 5/13/2020 7:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com > > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com > > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > -- > > > AF mailing list > > > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com > > <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com>> > > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > > > AF mailing list > > > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com > > <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com>> > > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > -- > > > AF mailing list > > > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com > > <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com>> > > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Harold Bledsoe > > > > > > -- > > > AF mailing list > > > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com > > <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com>> > > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Harold Bledsoe > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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