On Jun 4, 10:13 am, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote:

> Is that Riv's niche?  I always thought it was making lugged steel
> bikes.

as I said, Joel - it's about more than products.  did you not read
that part of my post?  to be clear and keep things in the context,
there is a niche of riders who identify with Rivendell very strongly.
there is a niche of riders who also identify with Rapha.  these are
the niches I assumed Mike was referring to - that seemed rather
obvious to me.  and I agree that they wouldn't exist to the extent
that they do without companies like riv and rapha.

> The correct term would be Fallacy of Accident.  You are assuming some
> general similarities make the two alike.

no, I didn't.  you wrote that there is no similar philosophy.  I
provided 3 specific, not general, examples of core values (philosophy)
they have in common - appreciation for steel bikes, craftsmanship/
quality and style.

>It is certanly not objective to say Rapha and Riv share similar business 
>philosophies.

I didn't write anything about *business* philosophies.  is that the
"philosophy" you were referring to?  if so, I misconstrued.

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