On Jun 4, 8:53 am, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote:
> > My comments were meant as compliments to both for creating  niches
> > that otherwise would not exist.
>
> I think this statement goes too far.

I don't.  I think Mike is spot on.  without riv, there wouldn't be
$150 tweed saddle pouches and folks tweeking over what shellac/cloth
tape combination will best compliment their bikes.  and to my
knowledge, there isn't a bicycle clothing company that goes around the
country documenting awesome rides and encouraging others to ride them
by posting cue sheets and photo-journaling everything.

it's not just about their products.   both appeal to a lifestyle, and
the two certainly are not mutually exclusive.

> For the record, I am with those who say GP's marketing is part and
> parcel apart from Rapha's.  Both obviously get the job done.  Other
> than that, no similar philosophy.

philosophy . ... hmm.   both are appreciate and promote steel
bicycles.  both are concerned with quality.  both are concerned with
aesthetics.   seems similar.  am i being too objective?

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