I mean … I think I have never really been confused if someone used “PMC” or “PMC member” as from the context it was clear. What however I really hate to see in emails is people using short forms LMAA, WTF, IANAL, STFU, … this list is long and obviously I listed the ones I knew. Quite often when people use these short forms, I feel a bit excluded and have to search or ask what they mean, so if we freak out about people using the short form PMC, then I would also argue to freak out on using other short forms ;-)
Chris Von: Yuanbo Liu <liuyuanb...@gmail.com> Datum: Mittwoch, 3. Juli 2024 um 05:24 An: general@incubator.apache.org <general@incubator.apache.org> Betreff: Re: PMC is a committee Also it's driving me crazy to see native speakers saying "...not...no more". Teachers tell me it is supposed to be "any more".. On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 11:03 AM tison <wander4...@gmail.com> wrote: > ... and yes. For non-native speakers, it's possible to feel less > uncomfortable to use "PMC" as an abbr. to PMC members. Just .. as an > opaque term. > > Best, > tison. > > Xuanwo <xua...@apache.org> 于2024年7月2日周二 19:56写道： > > > > This thread reminds me of tison's proposal that use "Maintainer" instead > of "PMC Member". > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/xsjojmksqtnsdjcg0yf4vz0xy82llhmw > > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2024, at 10:04, Jiacai Liu wrote: > > >> And, we can all be tired, overworked, or lazy and say the wrong > > >> thing *or* > > >> get into bad habits. > > > > > > Thank John for your kindly understanding. > > > > > > Also as a non-native English speaker, when I see abbreviation like > > > PMC, > > > my first insight is this word could be used on its own, `PMC > > > member` looks a little redundancy for me... > > > > > > on Wed, Jul 03, 2024 at 08:50:45 AM +0800, John Gemignani wrote: > > > > > >> My 2 cents as being a PMC member and once part of incubation,... > > >> > > >> To be honest, I've never really paid much attention when someone > > >> stated > > >> they're a PMC. I knew what was meant and just auto corrected it > > >> in my head. > > >> I have used, without fully thinking about it, PMC as, "I am a > > >> PMC" as well. > > >> When I meant, or should have meant, "I am a PMC member", and I'm > > >> a native > > >> English speaker. > > >> > > >> As was mentioned, people from different cultures might have > > >> different ways > > >> of using a term like PMC. I just don't feel that getting upset > > >> over, > > >> arguably an innocuous misuse, engenders community. > > >> > > >> And, we can all be tired, overworked, or lazy and say the wrong > > >> thing *or* > > >> get into bad habits. > > >> > > >> Again, my 2 cents. > > >> > > >> john > > >> > > >> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 5:33 PM Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi Tison, > > >>> > > >>> I’m sympathetic as well. > > >>> > > >>> > On Jul 2, 2024, at 5:11 PM, tison <wander4...@gmail.com> > > >>> > wrote: > > >>> > > > >>> > Hi Greg, > > >>> > > > >>> > I saw this kind of thread many times, and I also corrected it > > >>> > dozens > > >>> > of times. Actually, this is part of the reason for [1] > > >>> > ("Maintainer" > > >>> > as an alias of PMC Member?). > > >>> > > > >>> > [1] > > >>> > https://lists.apache.org/thread/xsjojmksqtnsdjcg0yf4vz0xy82llhmw > > >>> > > >>> That quickly turned into a not very sympathetic response from > > >>> most. An > > >>> easy what to name the Bikeshed. I think that most of our group > > >>> are people > > >>> whose second language is python, java, or fortran and their > > >>> first language > > >>> is some version of English. > > >>> > > >>> > > > >>> > Somehow, I share the sympathy for non-native speakers to make > > >>> > an > > >>> > analogy between committer and "PMC" since they're all > > >>> > one-word > > >>> > phrases. > > >>> > > >>> Maybe explain it from your perspective as a speaker of Mandarin > > >>> (or > > >>> Cantonese?). How does the phrase Committee Member translate > > >>> compared to > > >>> Committee. > > >>> > > >>> Best, > > >>> Dave > > >>> > > > >>> > Best, > > >>> > tison. > > >>> > > > >>> > Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com> 于2024年7月2日周二 17:05写道： > > >>> >> > > >>> >> Hello all, > > >>> >> > > >>> >> I am getting really tired of seeing people refer to > > >>> >> *MEMBERS* of a PMC > > >>> as > > >>> >> "PMCs". > > >>> >> > > >>> >> PMC stands for Project Management Committee. > > >>> >> > > >>> >> You have MEMBERS of that PMC. > > >>> >> > > >>> >> People are never to be called a PMC, nor a group of them as > > >>> >> PMCs. People > > >>> >> are not committees. The acronym "PMC" is short for a > > >>> >> committee, not a > > >>> >> person. > > >>> >> > > >>> >> Please stop the confusion. Teach the community how to use > > >>> >> the proper > > >>> terms. > > >>> >> > > >>> >> Thanks, > > >>> >> Greg > > >>> > > > >>> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > >>> > general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > >>> > For additional commands, e-mail: > > >>> > general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > >>> general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > >>> general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > >>> > > >>> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > -- > > Xuanwo > > > > https://xuanwo.io/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
