... and yes. For non-native speakers, it's possible to feel less uncomfortable to use "PMC" as an abbr. to PMC members. Just .. as an opaque term.
Best, tison. Xuanwo <xua...@apache.org> 于2024年7月2日周二 19:56写道： > > This thread reminds me of tison's proposal that use "Maintainer" instead of > "PMC Member". > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/xsjojmksqtnsdjcg0yf4vz0xy82llhmw > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2024, at 10:04, Jiacai Liu wrote: > >> And, we can all be tired, overworked, or lazy and say the wrong > >> thing *or* > >> get into bad habits. > > > > Thank John for your kindly understanding. > > > > Also as a non-native English speaker, when I see abbreviation like > > PMC, > > my first insight is this word could be used on its own, `PMC > > member` looks a little redundancy for me... > > > > on Wed, Jul 03, 2024 at 08:50:45 AM +0800, John Gemignani wrote: > > > >> My 2 cents as being a PMC member and once part of incubation,... > >> > >> To be honest, I've never really paid much attention when someone > >> stated > >> they're a PMC. I knew what was meant and just auto corrected it > >> in my head. > >> I have used, without fully thinking about it, PMC as, "I am a > >> PMC" as well. > >> When I meant, or should have meant, "I am a PMC member", and I'm > >> a native > >> English speaker. > >> > >> As was mentioned, people from different cultures might have > >> different ways > >> of using a term like PMC. I just don't feel that getting upset > >> over, > >> arguably an innocuous misuse, engenders community. > >> > >> And, we can all be tired, overworked, or lazy and say the wrong > >> thing *or* > >> get into bad habits. > >> > >> Again, my 2 cents. > >> > >> john > >> > >> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 5:33 PM Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Tison, > >>> > >>> I’m sympathetic as well. > >>> > >>> > On Jul 2, 2024, at 5:11 PM, tison <wander4...@gmail.com> > >>> > wrote: > >>> > > >>> > Hi Greg, > >>> > > >>> > I saw this kind of thread many times, and I also corrected it > >>> > dozens > >>> > of times. Actually, this is part of the reason for [1] > >>> > ("Maintainer" > >>> > as an alias of PMC Member?). > >>> > > >>> > [1] > >>> > https://lists.apache.org/thread/xsjojmksqtnsdjcg0yf4vz0xy82llhmw > >>> > >>> That quickly turned into a not very sympathetic response from > >>> most. An > >>> easy what to name the Bikeshed. I think that most of our group > >>> are people > >>> whose second language is python, java, or fortran and their > >>> first language > >>> is some version of English. > >>> > >>> > > >>> > Somehow, I share the sympathy for non-native speakers to make > >>> > an > >>> > analogy between committer and "PMC" since they're all > >>> > one-word > >>> > phrases. > >>> > >>> Maybe explain it from your perspective as a speaker of Mandarin > >>> (or > >>> Cantonese?). How does the phrase Committee Member translate > >>> compared to > >>> Committee. > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> Dave > >>> > > >>> > Best, > >>> > tison. > >>> > > >>> > Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com> 于2024年7月2日周二 17:05写道： > >>> >> > >>> >> Hello all, > >>> >> > >>> >> I am getting really tired of seeing people refer to > >>> >> *MEMBERS* of a PMC > >>> as > >>> >> "PMCs". > >>> >> > >>> >> PMC stands for Project Management Committee. > >>> >> > >>> >> You have MEMBERS of that PMC. > >>> >> > >>> >> People are never to be called a PMC, nor a group of them as > >>> >> PMCs. People > >>> >> are not committees. The acronym "PMC" is short for a > >>> >> committee, not a > >>> >> person. > >>> >> > >>> >> Please stop the confusion. Teach the community how to use > >>> >> the proper > >>> terms. > >>> >> > >>> >> Thanks, > >>> >> Greg > >>> > > >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >>> > general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>> > For additional commands, e-mail: > >>> > general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >>> general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: > >>> general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>> > >>> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > -- > Xuanwo > > https://xuanwo.io/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
