Some EVs lock the J1772 inlet, some don't. Some lock only while charging. All CCS-capable inlets are required to lock while HV is present, but how the EV handles it at other times is left to the manufacturer.
All Tesla NACS inlets lock. If the car is locked, the cable is locked. On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 5:00 AM Rush via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > The J1772 SAE Specifications state in Section 4: General Conductive > Charging > 4.7.5 Latching > The coupler shall have a latching mechanism to prevent inadvertent or > accidental decoupling. The latching mechanism should provide a means in the > connector to open the proximity detection conductor (see 4.2.2) when > disengaging from the vehicle inlet. > 4.7.6 Locking Function > The coupler locking function is intended to reduce the likelihood of > tampering with, or an unauthorized removal, of the vehicle connector from > the vehicle inlet. > > And while "stealing the EVSE is not the problem of this project ;-)", it > can certainly be a result. That's all I'm saying. > > Happy Holidays > > Rush Dougherty > TucsonEV > www.TucsonEV.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: EV <ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org> On Behalf Of Cor van de Water via > EV > > Sent: Friday, December 6, 2024 7:11 PM > > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> > > Cc: Cor van de Water <cor.vandewa...@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [EVDL] $405.00 EV charging solution for apartments > > > > Hi Rush, clear! > > Though many EVs do not lock the J1772 plug, so unless the owner took care > > to somehow lock it, or if the vehicle provides for the lock (like in > Europe, where > > the EV'er brings the cable and thus wants it to lock into their EV) any > thief can > > simply walk away with the complete EVSE. > > Likely the reason the NEMA 14-50 is not protected either is because it > is only > > powered with the App, so there is no problem of stealing power. And > stealing > > the EVSE is not the problem of this project ;-) > > > > On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 4:46 PM <e...@tucsonev.com> wrote: > > > > > > Cor, > > > > > > Nope, sorry didn't misunderstand the project at all. Let me explain my > > concern more simply. > > > 1. EV owner will drive up and plug in his/her/their EVSE (or standard > mobile > > charger as you call it), start charging and go to his $500k-$1m Condo. > > > 2. 'a short while later' nefarious guy/gal/person will unplug the > 14-50 Plug > > from the 14-50 Outlet since it is not locked in place. > > > 3. Nefarious guy/gal/person will take his Klien/Craftsman/Harbor > Freight > > wire/cable cutter and cut the cord as close as possible to the J1772 > type 1 or > > 2/Tesla Plug/Gun. > > > 4. Nefarious guy/gal/person will walk/run/sneak away with a EVSE(or > > standard mobile charger as you call it) but with the EV Plug/gun cut off. > > > 5. Nefarious guy/gal/person now has the choice of a) selling the > copper, b) > > selling the EVSE(or standard mobile charger as you call it) but with the > EV > > Plug/gun cut off on eBay/Marketplace/Craigslist or c) getting a new J1772 > > type 1 or 2/Tesla Plug/Gun and either using it or selling it as a > complete > > working unit. > > > 6. If I/TucsonEV start getting requests to attach a new J1772 Plug on > the end > > of a 'my dog chewed it off' EVSE, then I'll know where it comes from. > > > > > > Capice? > > > > > > Rush Dougherty > > > TucsonEV > > > www.TucsonEV.com > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: EV <ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org> On Behalf Of Cor van de Water > > > > via EV > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 11:14 PM > > > > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> > > > > Cc: Cor van de Water <cor.vandewa...@gmail.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [EVDL] $405.00 EV charging solution for apartments > > > > > > > > Rush, I think you misunderstood the project. What it provides is > > > > only a charging outlet, not an EVSE. Each standard NEMA 14-50 can be > > > > activated using a special App and no more than 6 residents can be > > > > charging at the same time, if they all draw 40 Amps which they > > > > should > > > > - because the charging is organised in a queue: if you want to > > > > change, you request and are given a position in the queue, which are > > > > filled and (re-) allocated as the 300A service they have comes > > > > available for charging. Since each outlet is 50A, only 6 can be > > > > powered up at the same time, dividing the > > > > 300 in 6 chunks of 50A. What you plug *into* your charging outlet is > > > > a standard mobile charger, so if someone steals a "charging cord" > > > > then it is the complete EVSE, simply unplugged from the NEMA 14-50 > > > > wall outlet. So, no charging cords without plugs as you suggested. > > > > The smart thing of course is the queuing and scheduling of 90 > > > > outlets into 6 active ones at any time, so they can have a 300A > > > > service to start with. I am sure than once EV ownership increases, > > > > they can upgrade their service and power more outlets at the same > time. > > > > Hope this clarifies, > > > > Cor. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 7:49 PM Rush via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > That's a great project especially since it profits from the hefty > > > > > $2,000 per unit utility credit from Peninsula Clean Energy. > > > > > > > > > > Besides the app problem brought up by Electrek, hopefully the > > > > > security is pretty good (which it probably is considering the > > > > > Condo units cost between > > > > > $500k-$1m) so that nefarious people can't sneak in and just unplug > > > > > the > > > > > 14-50 from the Pando unit, cut the EV cord shy of the Plug and run > > > > > off with an almost perfectly good EVSE. All it needs is a new Plug > > > > > put on the EV > > > > cord! > > > > > > > > > > If I start getting various people wanting a new plug put on their > > > > > EVSE that somehow doesn't have a plug already on it, I guess I'll > > > > > know where it came from... > > > > > > > > > > Rush Dougherty > > > > > TucsonEV > > > > > 1014 E King St > > > > > www.TucsonEV.com > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: EV <ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org> On Behalf Of Lawrence > > > > > > Rhodes via EV > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 9:41 AM > > > > > > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> > > > > > > Cc: Lawrence Rhodes <primobass...@sbcglobal.net> > > > > > > Subject: [EVDL] $405.00 EV charging solution for apartments > > > > > > > > > > > > https://electrek.co/2024/12/04/how-one-condo-complex-installed-e > > > > > > v- charging-for-just-405-per-parking-spot/ Bring your own cord > > > > > > solution. > > > > > > Lawrence Rhodes > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > > > > > > scrubbed... > > > > > > URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev- > > > > > > evdl.org/attachments/20241205/0afab7d5/attachment.htm> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO > > > > > > and CC fields > > > > > > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and > > > > > CC fields > > > > > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and > > > > CC fields > > > > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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