The only way you can lock the charging handle in, for example, a Leaf is to be so lucky to find one with a handle that has a little lock hole, and carrying your own tiny padlock to use that hole in the latch to lock it down. Cor.
On Sat, Dec 7, 2024, 5:00 AM Rush via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > The J1772 SAE Specifications state in Section 4: General Conductive > Charging > 4.7.5 Latching > The coupler shall have a latching mechanism to prevent inadvertent or > accidental decoupling. The latching mechanism should provide a means in the > connector to open the proximity detection conductor (see 4.2.2) when > disengaging from the vehicle inlet. > 4.7.6 Locking Function > The coupler locking function is intended to reduce the likelihood of > tampering with, or an unauthorized removal, of the vehicle connector from > the vehicle inlet. > > And while "stealing the EVSE is not the problem of this project ;-)", it > can certainly be a result. That's all I'm saying. > > Happy Holidays > > Rush Dougherty > TucsonEV > www.TucsonEV.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: EV <ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org> On Behalf Of Cor van de Water via > EV > > Sent: Friday, December 6, 2024 7:11 PM > > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> > > Cc: Cor van de Water <cor.vandewa...@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [EVDL] $405.00 EV charging solution for apartments > > > > Hi Rush, clear! > > Though many EVs do not lock the J1772 plug, so unless the owner took care > > to somehow lock it, or if the vehicle provides for the lock (like in > Europe, where > > the EV'er brings the cable and thus wants it to lock into their EV) any > thief can > > simply walk away with the complete EVSE. > > Likely the reason the NEMA 14-50 is not protected either is because it > is only > > powered with the App, so there is no problem of stealing power. And > stealing > > the EVSE is not the problem of this project ;-) > > > > On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 4:46 PM <e...@tucsonev.com> wrote: > > > > > > Cor, > > > > > > Nope, sorry didn't misunderstand the project at all. Let me explain my > > concern more simply. > > > 1. EV owner will drive up and plug in his/her/their EVSE (or standard > mobile > > charger as you call it), start charging and go to his $500k-$1m Condo. > > > 2. 'a short while later' nefarious guy/gal/person will unplug the > 14-50 Plug > > from the 14-50 Outlet since it is not locked in place. > > > 3. Nefarious guy/gal/person will take his Klien/Craftsman/Harbor > Freight > > wire/cable cutter and cut the cord as close as possible to the J1772 > type 1 or > > 2/Tesla Plug/Gun. > > > 4. Nefarious guy/gal/person will walk/run/sneak away with a EVSE(or > > standard mobile charger as you call it) but with the EV Plug/gun cut off. > > > 5. Nefarious guy/gal/person now has the choice of a) selling the > copper, b) > > selling the EVSE(or standard mobile charger as you call it) but with the > EV > > Plug/gun cut off on eBay/Marketplace/Craigslist or c) getting a new J1772 > > type 1 or 2/Tesla Plug/Gun and either using it or selling it as a > complete > > working unit. > > > 6. If I/TucsonEV start getting requests to attach a new J1772 Plug on > the end > > of a 'my dog chewed it off' EVSE, then I'll know where it comes from. > > > > > > Capice? > > > > > > Rush Dougherty > > > TucsonEV > > > www.TucsonEV.com > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: EV <ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org> On Behalf Of Cor van de Water > > > > via EV > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 11:14 PM > > > > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> > > > > Cc: Cor van de Water <cor.vandewa...@gmail.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [EVDL] $405.00 EV charging solution for apartments > > > > > > > > Rush, I think you misunderstood the project. What it provides is > > > > only a charging outlet, not an EVSE. Each standard NEMA 14-50 can be > > > > activated using a special App and no more than 6 residents can be > > > > charging at the same time, if they all draw 40 Amps which they > > > > should > > > > - because the charging is organised in a queue: if you want to > > > > change, you request and are given a position in the queue, which are > > > > filled and (re-) allocated as the 300A service they have comes > > > > available for charging. Since each outlet is 50A, only 6 can be > > > > powered up at the same time, dividing the > > > > 300 in 6 chunks of 50A. What you plug *into* your charging outlet is > > > > a standard mobile charger, so if someone steals a "charging cord" > > > > then it is the complete EVSE, simply unplugged from the NEMA 14-50 > > > > wall outlet. So, no charging cords without plugs as you suggested. > > > > The smart thing of course is the queuing and scheduling of 90 > > > > outlets into 6 active ones at any time, so they can have a 300A > > > > service to start with. I am sure than once EV ownership increases, > > > > they can upgrade their service and power more outlets at the same > time. > > > > Hope this clarifies, > > > > Cor. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 7:49 PM Rush via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > That's a great project especially since it profits from the hefty > > > > > $2,000 per unit utility credit from Peninsula Clean Energy. > > > > > > > > > > Besides the app problem brought up by Electrek, hopefully the > > > > > security is pretty good (which it probably is considering the > > > > > Condo units cost between > > > > > $500k-$1m) so that nefarious people can't sneak in and just unplug > > > > > the > > > > > 14-50 from the Pando unit, cut the EV cord shy of the Plug and run > > > > > off with an almost perfectly good EVSE. All it needs is a new Plug > > > > > put on the EV > > > > cord! > > > > > > > > > > If I start getting various people wanting a new plug put on their > > > > > EVSE that somehow doesn't have a plug already on it, I guess I'll > > > > > know where it came from... > > > > > > > > > > Rush Dougherty > > > > > TucsonEV > > > > > 1014 E King St > > > > > www.TucsonEV.com > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: EV <ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org> On Behalf Of Lawrence > > > > > > Rhodes via EV > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 9:41 AM > > > > > > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> > > > > > > Cc: Lawrence Rhodes <primobass...@sbcglobal.net> > > > > > > Subject: [EVDL] $405.00 EV charging solution for apartments > > > > > > > > > > > > https://electrek.co/2024/12/04/how-one-condo-complex-installed-e > > > > > > v- charging-for-just-405-per-parking-spot/ Bring your own cord > > > > > > solution. > > > > > > Lawrence Rhodes > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > > > > > > scrubbed... > > > > > > URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev- > > > > > > evdl.org/attachments/20241205/0afab7d5/attachment.htm> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO > > > > > > and CC fields > > > > > > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and > > > > > CC fields > > > > > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and > > > > CC fields > > > > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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